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I have three linearly independent vectors:



v1= (1,1,0,0) v2=(1,-1,0,0) and v4=(0,2,0,0).



As you may see from the picture, the result for u3 is equal to the vector (0,0,1,0).



It says that since the norm of u3 is 1, which i found by square rooting the entries in this matrix, then the set {u1, u2, u3} is an orthonormal
basis of Span(v1, v2, v4).



I do not understand this statement.



Can somebody please explain why this is so? I do not understand the relation between this result, 1, and how it implies that {u1, u2, u3} is an orthonormal basis.



Thanks for the help, and sorry again for uploading the pic.enter image description here



(please give me a quite simple explanation . I have a form dyscalculia and it takes me a while to understand these processes.










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  • There is a small typo here$ v_4=(0,2,1,0)$.
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enter image description hereI'm sorry i'm new here. I uploaded a pictures in order to make things simpler.



I have three linearly independent vectors:



v1= (1,1,0,0) v2=(1,-1,0,0) and v4=(0,2,0,0).



As you may see from the picture, the result for u3 is equal to the vector (0,0,1,0).



It says that since the norm of u3 is 1, which i found by square rooting the entries in this matrix, then the set {u1, u2, u3} is an orthonormal
basis of Span(v1, v2, v4).



I do not understand this statement.



Can somebody please explain why this is so? I do not understand the relation between this result, 1, and how it implies that {u1, u2, u3} is an orthonormal basis.



Thanks for the help, and sorry again for uploading the pic.enter image description here



(please give me a quite simple explanation . I have a form dyscalculia and it takes me a while to understand these processes.










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  • There is a small typo here$ v_4=(0,2,1,0)$.
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enter image description hereI'm sorry i'm new here. I uploaded a pictures in order to make things simpler.



I have three linearly independent vectors:



v1= (1,1,0,0) v2=(1,-1,0,0) and v4=(0,2,0,0).



As you may see from the picture, the result for u3 is equal to the vector (0,0,1,0).



It says that since the norm of u3 is 1, which i found by square rooting the entries in this matrix, then the set {u1, u2, u3} is an orthonormal
basis of Span(v1, v2, v4).



I do not understand this statement.



Can somebody please explain why this is so? I do not understand the relation between this result, 1, and how it implies that {u1, u2, u3} is an orthonormal basis.



Thanks for the help, and sorry again for uploading the pic.enter image description here



(please give me a quite simple explanation . I have a form dyscalculia and it takes me a while to understand these processes.










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enter image description hereI'm sorry i'm new here. I uploaded a pictures in order to make things simpler.



I have three linearly independent vectors:



v1= (1,1,0,0) v2=(1,-1,0,0) and v4=(0,2,0,0).



As you may see from the picture, the result for u3 is equal to the vector (0,0,1,0).



It says that since the norm of u3 is 1, which i found by square rooting the entries in this matrix, then the set {u1, u2, u3} is an orthonormal
basis of Span(v1, v2, v4).



I do not understand this statement.



Can somebody please explain why this is so? I do not understand the relation between this result, 1, and how it implies that {u1, u2, u3} is an orthonormal basis.



Thanks for the help, and sorry again for uploading the pic.enter image description here



(please give me a quite simple explanation . I have a form dyscalculia and it takes me a while to understand these processes.







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  • There is a small typo here$ v_4=(0,2,1,0)$.
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There is a small typo here$ v_4=(0,2,1,0)$.
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Asserting that $(u_1,u_2,u_3)$ is an orthonormal basis of that space consists in checking several things:




  • each $u_k$ has norm $1$;

  • each two distinct vectors are orthogonal.


Whover wrote this is not claming that just because $lVert u_3rVert=1$, then $(u_1,u_2,u_3)$ is an orthonormal basis. That was just the last thing that had to be checked.






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It is an application of G-S process. Since $v_1$ and $v_2$ are orthogonal, we have already $2$ vectors for the orthonormal basis.



Then we proceed with the orthogonalization of $v_4=(0,2,1,0)$ with respect to $u_1$ and $u_2$.



By the construction the span of the two sets of vectors are identical.



Refer also to the related




  • Gram Schmidt-The arts behind it

  • Find orthonormal vectors for given vectors using Gram-Schmidt

  • Is there a more convenient method for converting a base to be orthogonal than Gram Schmidt?






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As noted in the other answers and their discussions,
to show that a set of vectors is an orthonormal basis you have to show that each pair of vectors is orthogonal and each vector has unit length.



A useful fact about the Gram-Schmidt process, which the quoted material employed,
is that if you give it any set of $n$ vectors as input, there are only two possible
outcomes:
either at some point in the process one of the $mathbf u'$ vectors turns out to be the zero vector,
or you get a set of $n$ vectors that is an orthonormal basis of the space spanned by your input vectors.
Unless you encounter a zero vector,
each pair of vectors is automatically orthogonal due to the formulas that produced each vector,
and of course scaling each vector $mathbf u'$ by $1/lVertmathbf u'rVert$
guarantees that each vector in the result has unit length.
In short, it is mathematically impossible for Gram-Schmidt to turn $n$ input vectors into $n$ non-zero output vectors that are not an orthonormal basis.



In the quoted material, however, there are a couple of places where serendipity simplifies the calculations.
One such place is when computing $mathbf u_2',$
where it turns out that $mathbf v_2$ is already orthogonal to $mathbf u_1'.$
The other place is where it turns out that $mathbf u_3'$ already has unit length.
But if we ignored these two facts and just blindly applied Gram-Schmidt,
we would already know that all the checks for orthogonality and unit length would be satisfied.






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    Asserting that $(u_1,u_2,u_3)$ is an orthonormal basis of that space consists in checking several things:




    • each $u_k$ has norm $1$;

    • each two distinct vectors are orthogonal.


    Whover wrote this is not claming that just because $lVert u_3rVert=1$, then $(u_1,u_2,u_3)$ is an orthonormal basis. That was just the last thing that had to be checked.






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    Asserting that $(u_1,u_2,u_3)$ is an orthonormal basis of that space consists in checking several things:




    • each $u_k$ has norm $1$;

    • each two distinct vectors are orthogonal.


    Whover wrote this is not claming that just because $lVert u_3rVert=1$, then $(u_1,u_2,u_3)$ is an orthonormal basis. That was just the last thing that had to be checked.






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    Asserting that $(u_1,u_2,u_3)$ is an orthonormal basis of that space consists in checking several things:




    • each $u_k$ has norm $1$;

    • each two distinct vectors are orthogonal.


    Whover wrote this is not claming that just because $lVert u_3rVert=1$, then $(u_1,u_2,u_3)$ is an orthonormal basis. That was just the last thing that had to be checked.






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    Asserting that $(u_1,u_2,u_3)$ is an orthonormal basis of that space consists in checking several things:




    • each $u_k$ has norm $1$;

    • each two distinct vectors are orthogonal.


    Whover wrote this is not claming that just because $lVert u_3rVert=1$, then $(u_1,u_2,u_3)$ is an orthonormal basis. That was just the last thing that had to be checked.







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    It is an application of G-S process. Since $v_1$ and $v_2$ are orthogonal, we have already $2$ vectors for the orthonormal basis.



    Then we proceed with the orthogonalization of $v_4=(0,2,1,0)$ with respect to $u_1$ and $u_2$.



    By the construction the span of the two sets of vectors are identical.



    Refer also to the related




    • Gram Schmidt-The arts behind it

    • Find orthonormal vectors for given vectors using Gram-Schmidt

    • Is there a more convenient method for converting a base to be orthogonal than Gram Schmidt?






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    It is an application of G-S process. Since $v_1$ and $v_2$ are orthogonal, we have already $2$ vectors for the orthonormal basis.



    Then we proceed with the orthogonalization of $v_4=(0,2,1,0)$ with respect to $u_1$ and $u_2$.



    By the construction the span of the two sets of vectors are identical.



    Refer also to the related




    • Gram Schmidt-The arts behind it

    • Find orthonormal vectors for given vectors using Gram-Schmidt

    • Is there a more convenient method for converting a base to be orthogonal than Gram Schmidt?






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    It is an application of G-S process. Since $v_1$ and $v_2$ are orthogonal, we have already $2$ vectors for the orthonormal basis.



    Then we proceed with the orthogonalization of $v_4=(0,2,1,0)$ with respect to $u_1$ and $u_2$.



    By the construction the span of the two sets of vectors are identical.



    Refer also to the related




    • Gram Schmidt-The arts behind it

    • Find orthonormal vectors for given vectors using Gram-Schmidt

    • Is there a more convenient method for converting a base to be orthogonal than Gram Schmidt?






    share|cite|improve this answer














    It is an application of G-S process. Since $v_1$ and $v_2$ are orthogonal, we have already $2$ vectors for the orthonormal basis.



    Then we proceed with the orthogonalization of $v_4=(0,2,1,0)$ with respect to $u_1$ and $u_2$.



    By the construction the span of the two sets of vectors are identical.



    Refer also to the related




    • Gram Schmidt-The arts behind it

    • Find orthonormal vectors for given vectors using Gram-Schmidt

    • Is there a more convenient method for converting a base to be orthogonal than Gram Schmidt?







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    As noted in the other answers and their discussions,
    to show that a set of vectors is an orthonormal basis you have to show that each pair of vectors is orthogonal and each vector has unit length.



    A useful fact about the Gram-Schmidt process, which the quoted material employed,
    is that if you give it any set of $n$ vectors as input, there are only two possible
    outcomes:
    either at some point in the process one of the $mathbf u'$ vectors turns out to be the zero vector,
    or you get a set of $n$ vectors that is an orthonormal basis of the space spanned by your input vectors.
    Unless you encounter a zero vector,
    each pair of vectors is automatically orthogonal due to the formulas that produced each vector,
    and of course scaling each vector $mathbf u'$ by $1/lVertmathbf u'rVert$
    guarantees that each vector in the result has unit length.
    In short, it is mathematically impossible for Gram-Schmidt to turn $n$ input vectors into $n$ non-zero output vectors that are not an orthonormal basis.



    In the quoted material, however, there are a couple of places where serendipity simplifies the calculations.
    One such place is when computing $mathbf u_2',$
    where it turns out that $mathbf v_2$ is already orthogonal to $mathbf u_1'.$
    The other place is where it turns out that $mathbf u_3'$ already has unit length.
    But if we ignored these two facts and just blindly applied Gram-Schmidt,
    we would already know that all the checks for orthogonality and unit length would be satisfied.






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      As noted in the other answers and their discussions,
      to show that a set of vectors is an orthonormal basis you have to show that each pair of vectors is orthogonal and each vector has unit length.



      A useful fact about the Gram-Schmidt process, which the quoted material employed,
      is that if you give it any set of $n$ vectors as input, there are only two possible
      outcomes:
      either at some point in the process one of the $mathbf u'$ vectors turns out to be the zero vector,
      or you get a set of $n$ vectors that is an orthonormal basis of the space spanned by your input vectors.
      Unless you encounter a zero vector,
      each pair of vectors is automatically orthogonal due to the formulas that produced each vector,
      and of course scaling each vector $mathbf u'$ by $1/lVertmathbf u'rVert$
      guarantees that each vector in the result has unit length.
      In short, it is mathematically impossible for Gram-Schmidt to turn $n$ input vectors into $n$ non-zero output vectors that are not an orthonormal basis.



      In the quoted material, however, there are a couple of places where serendipity simplifies the calculations.
      One such place is when computing $mathbf u_2',$
      where it turns out that $mathbf v_2$ is already orthogonal to $mathbf u_1'.$
      The other place is where it turns out that $mathbf u_3'$ already has unit length.
      But if we ignored these two facts and just blindly applied Gram-Schmidt,
      we would already know that all the checks for orthogonality and unit length would be satisfied.






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        As noted in the other answers and their discussions,
        to show that a set of vectors is an orthonormal basis you have to show that each pair of vectors is orthogonal and each vector has unit length.



        A useful fact about the Gram-Schmidt process, which the quoted material employed,
        is that if you give it any set of $n$ vectors as input, there are only two possible
        outcomes:
        either at some point in the process one of the $mathbf u'$ vectors turns out to be the zero vector,
        or you get a set of $n$ vectors that is an orthonormal basis of the space spanned by your input vectors.
        Unless you encounter a zero vector,
        each pair of vectors is automatically orthogonal due to the formulas that produced each vector,
        and of course scaling each vector $mathbf u'$ by $1/lVertmathbf u'rVert$
        guarantees that each vector in the result has unit length.
        In short, it is mathematically impossible for Gram-Schmidt to turn $n$ input vectors into $n$ non-zero output vectors that are not an orthonormal basis.



        In the quoted material, however, there are a couple of places where serendipity simplifies the calculations.
        One such place is when computing $mathbf u_2',$
        where it turns out that $mathbf v_2$ is already orthogonal to $mathbf u_1'.$
        The other place is where it turns out that $mathbf u_3'$ already has unit length.
        But if we ignored these two facts and just blindly applied Gram-Schmidt,
        we would already know that all the checks for orthogonality and unit length would be satisfied.






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        As noted in the other answers and their discussions,
        to show that a set of vectors is an orthonormal basis you have to show that each pair of vectors is orthogonal and each vector has unit length.



        A useful fact about the Gram-Schmidt process, which the quoted material employed,
        is that if you give it any set of $n$ vectors as input, there are only two possible
        outcomes:
        either at some point in the process one of the $mathbf u'$ vectors turns out to be the zero vector,
        or you get a set of $n$ vectors that is an orthonormal basis of the space spanned by your input vectors.
        Unless you encounter a zero vector,
        each pair of vectors is automatically orthogonal due to the formulas that produced each vector,
        and of course scaling each vector $mathbf u'$ by $1/lVertmathbf u'rVert$
        guarantees that each vector in the result has unit length.
        In short, it is mathematically impossible for Gram-Schmidt to turn $n$ input vectors into $n$ non-zero output vectors that are not an orthonormal basis.



        In the quoted material, however, there are a couple of places where serendipity simplifies the calculations.
        One such place is when computing $mathbf u_2',$
        where it turns out that $mathbf v_2$ is already orthogonal to $mathbf u_1'.$
        The other place is where it turns out that $mathbf u_3'$ already has unit length.
        But if we ignored these two facts and just blindly applied Gram-Schmidt,
        we would already know that all the checks for orthogonality and unit length would be satisfied.







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