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Prove that the tangent plane to $x^2+y^2+z^2=50$ at $(3,4,5)$ is $3x+4y+5z=50$




My workings are shown below but get the answer wrong completly, have I made a simple mistake is my method flawed.



So if the surface is said to be $f(x,y,z)$ then
$$frac{partial f}{partial x}=2xqquad frac{partial f}{partial y}=2y$$



Therefore $f_x(3,4)=6$ and $f_y(3,4)=8$



Now using the
$$z=f(a,b)+(x-a)f_x(a,b)+(y-b)f_y(a,b)$$
I get a plane with the equation $$z=5+(x-3)(6)+(y-4)(8)$$
$$z=6x+8y-45$$



Any help on how to get the correct answer would be apprciated.










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    I think you want $f(x,y)=sqrt{50-x^2-y^2}$ for your method to work.
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Prove that the tangent plane to $x^2+y^2+z^2=50$ at $(3,4,5)$ is $3x+4y+5z=50$




My workings are shown below but get the answer wrong completly, have I made a simple mistake is my method flawed.



So if the surface is said to be $f(x,y,z)$ then
$$frac{partial f}{partial x}=2xqquad frac{partial f}{partial y}=2y$$



Therefore $f_x(3,4)=6$ and $f_y(3,4)=8$



Now using the
$$z=f(a,b)+(x-a)f_x(a,b)+(y-b)f_y(a,b)$$
I get a plane with the equation $$z=5+(x-3)(6)+(y-4)(8)$$
$$z=6x+8y-45$$



Any help on how to get the correct answer would be apprciated.










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    I think you want $f(x,y)=sqrt{50-x^2-y^2}$ for your method to work.
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    Jan 3 at 21:39














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Prove that the tangent plane to $x^2+y^2+z^2=50$ at $(3,4,5)$ is $3x+4y+5z=50$




My workings are shown below but get the answer wrong completly, have I made a simple mistake is my method flawed.



So if the surface is said to be $f(x,y,z)$ then
$$frac{partial f}{partial x}=2xqquad frac{partial f}{partial y}=2y$$



Therefore $f_x(3,4)=6$ and $f_y(3,4)=8$



Now using the
$$z=f(a,b)+(x-a)f_x(a,b)+(y-b)f_y(a,b)$$
I get a plane with the equation $$z=5+(x-3)(6)+(y-4)(8)$$
$$z=6x+8y-45$$



Any help on how to get the correct answer would be apprciated.










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Prove that the tangent plane to $x^2+y^2+z^2=50$ at $(3,4,5)$ is $3x+4y+5z=50$




My workings are shown below but get the answer wrong completly, have I made a simple mistake is my method flawed.



So if the surface is said to be $f(x,y,z)$ then
$$frac{partial f}{partial x}=2xqquad frac{partial f}{partial y}=2y$$



Therefore $f_x(3,4)=6$ and $f_y(3,4)=8$



Now using the
$$z=f(a,b)+(x-a)f_x(a,b)+(y-b)f_y(a,b)$$
I get a plane with the equation $$z=5+(x-3)(6)+(y-4)(8)$$
$$z=6x+8y-45$$



Any help on how to get the correct answer would be apprciated.







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    I think you want $f(x,y)=sqrt{50-x^2-y^2}$ for your method to work.
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    – Lubin
    Jan 3 at 21:39


















  • $begingroup$
    I think you want $f(x,y)=sqrt{50-x^2-y^2}$ for your method to work.
    $endgroup$
    – Lubin
    Jan 3 at 21:39
















$begingroup$
I think you want $f(x,y)=sqrt{50-x^2-y^2}$ for your method to work.
$endgroup$
– Lubin
Jan 3 at 21:39




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I think you want $f(x,y)=sqrt{50-x^2-y^2}$ for your method to work.
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  • The formula you are referring to is for surfaces which are the graphs of a function $f(x,y)$, not $f(x,y,z)$

  • The given surface is a sphere of radius $sqrt{50}$ centered at the origin. A sphere cannot be represented as a function $f(x,y)$


However, hope is not lost. The given point $(3,4,5)$ lies on the upper hemisphere, and a hemisphere is the graph of a function $z=f(x,y)$. What function is it? Well in this case we have
$$z^{2}=50-x^{2}-y^{2}$$
so the top hemisphere is given by
$$z=sqrt{50-x^{2}-y^{2}}=(50-x^{2}-y^{2})^{1/2}$$
This is our $f(x,y)$. I'll point out that the lower hemisphere is given by $-f(x,y)$. Now, with this $f$, we have
$$frac{partial f}{partial x}=frac{1}{2}(50-x^{2}-y^{2})^{-1/2}cdot(-2x)$$
and
$$frac{partial f}{partial y}=frac{1}{2}(50-x^{2}-y^{2})^{-1/2}cdot(-2y)$$



Plugging in $x=3,y=4$ we have
$$f_{x}(3,4)=-frac{3}{5}$$
and
$$f_{y}(3,4)=-frac{4}{5}$$
Since $f(3,4)=5$, the tangent plane has equation
$$z=5-frac{3}{5}(x-3)-frac{4}{5}(y-4)$$
which, after some algebra, becomes
$$3x+4y+5z=50$$






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    $f(x,y,z)=x^2+y^2+z^2-50=0;$



    Normal vector to surface $f(x,y,z)=0$ is given by



    $vec n= nabla f(x,y,z)=(f_x,f_y,f_z)=(2x,2y,2z)$



    Equation.of tangent plane:



    $vec n cdot (vec r -vec r_0)=0$;



    With $vec n= 2(3,4,5)$ and $vec r_0=(3,4,5)$:



    $2(3,4,5)cdot ((x,y,z)-(3,4,5))=0;$



    $3x+4y+5z -9-16-25=0;$



    $3x+4y+5z =50.$






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      In order to calculate the tangent plane at $P = (3,4,5)$, we can consider the parametrization:



      begin{align*}
      varphi(x,y) = left(x,y,sqrt{50 - x^{2} - y^{2}}right)
      end{align*}



      Consequently, the tangent plane $pi$ at the given point can be described by



      begin{align*}
      (x,y,z) = P + alphavarphi_{x}(3,4) + betavarphi_{y}(3,4)
      end{align*}



      where $(alpha,beta)inmathbb{R}^{2}$.






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        Why not forget Calculus and look geometrically?



        Having observed that the point $P=(3,4,5)$ is indeed on the sphere, one sees that the segment $overline{Bbb OP}$ is a radius, where $Bbb O$ is the origin, center of the sphere. Now certainly any radius is perpendicular to the tangent plane at the point in question, so that the vector $(3,4,5)$ is orthogonal to the plane, and thus the equation must be $3X+4Y+5Z=c$, for an appropriate $c$, which you find to be $c=50$, in order to guarantee that $P$ be on the plane.






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          A few comments:




          • The formula you are referring to is for surfaces which are the graphs of a function $f(x,y)$, not $f(x,y,z)$

          • The given surface is a sphere of radius $sqrt{50}$ centered at the origin. A sphere cannot be represented as a function $f(x,y)$


          However, hope is not lost. The given point $(3,4,5)$ lies on the upper hemisphere, and a hemisphere is the graph of a function $z=f(x,y)$. What function is it? Well in this case we have
          $$z^{2}=50-x^{2}-y^{2}$$
          so the top hemisphere is given by
          $$z=sqrt{50-x^{2}-y^{2}}=(50-x^{2}-y^{2})^{1/2}$$
          This is our $f(x,y)$. I'll point out that the lower hemisphere is given by $-f(x,y)$. Now, with this $f$, we have
          $$frac{partial f}{partial x}=frac{1}{2}(50-x^{2}-y^{2})^{-1/2}cdot(-2x)$$
          and
          $$frac{partial f}{partial y}=frac{1}{2}(50-x^{2}-y^{2})^{-1/2}cdot(-2y)$$



          Plugging in $x=3,y=4$ we have
          $$f_{x}(3,4)=-frac{3}{5}$$
          and
          $$f_{y}(3,4)=-frac{4}{5}$$
          Since $f(3,4)=5$, the tangent plane has equation
          $$z=5-frac{3}{5}(x-3)-frac{4}{5}(y-4)$$
          which, after some algebra, becomes
          $$3x+4y+5z=50$$






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            A few comments:




            • The formula you are referring to is for surfaces which are the graphs of a function $f(x,y)$, not $f(x,y,z)$

            • The given surface is a sphere of radius $sqrt{50}$ centered at the origin. A sphere cannot be represented as a function $f(x,y)$


            However, hope is not lost. The given point $(3,4,5)$ lies on the upper hemisphere, and a hemisphere is the graph of a function $z=f(x,y)$. What function is it? Well in this case we have
            $$z^{2}=50-x^{2}-y^{2}$$
            so the top hemisphere is given by
            $$z=sqrt{50-x^{2}-y^{2}}=(50-x^{2}-y^{2})^{1/2}$$
            This is our $f(x,y)$. I'll point out that the lower hemisphere is given by $-f(x,y)$. Now, with this $f$, we have
            $$frac{partial f}{partial x}=frac{1}{2}(50-x^{2}-y^{2})^{-1/2}cdot(-2x)$$
            and
            $$frac{partial f}{partial y}=frac{1}{2}(50-x^{2}-y^{2})^{-1/2}cdot(-2y)$$



            Plugging in $x=3,y=4$ we have
            $$f_{x}(3,4)=-frac{3}{5}$$
            and
            $$f_{y}(3,4)=-frac{4}{5}$$
            Since $f(3,4)=5$, the tangent plane has equation
            $$z=5-frac{3}{5}(x-3)-frac{4}{5}(y-4)$$
            which, after some algebra, becomes
            $$3x+4y+5z=50$$






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              A few comments:




              • The formula you are referring to is for surfaces which are the graphs of a function $f(x,y)$, not $f(x,y,z)$

              • The given surface is a sphere of radius $sqrt{50}$ centered at the origin. A sphere cannot be represented as a function $f(x,y)$


              However, hope is not lost. The given point $(3,4,5)$ lies on the upper hemisphere, and a hemisphere is the graph of a function $z=f(x,y)$. What function is it? Well in this case we have
              $$z^{2}=50-x^{2}-y^{2}$$
              so the top hemisphere is given by
              $$z=sqrt{50-x^{2}-y^{2}}=(50-x^{2}-y^{2})^{1/2}$$
              This is our $f(x,y)$. I'll point out that the lower hemisphere is given by $-f(x,y)$. Now, with this $f$, we have
              $$frac{partial f}{partial x}=frac{1}{2}(50-x^{2}-y^{2})^{-1/2}cdot(-2x)$$
              and
              $$frac{partial f}{partial y}=frac{1}{2}(50-x^{2}-y^{2})^{-1/2}cdot(-2y)$$



              Plugging in $x=3,y=4$ we have
              $$f_{x}(3,4)=-frac{3}{5}$$
              and
              $$f_{y}(3,4)=-frac{4}{5}$$
              Since $f(3,4)=5$, the tangent plane has equation
              $$z=5-frac{3}{5}(x-3)-frac{4}{5}(y-4)$$
              which, after some algebra, becomes
              $$3x+4y+5z=50$$






              share|cite|improve this answer









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              A few comments:




              • The formula you are referring to is for surfaces which are the graphs of a function $f(x,y)$, not $f(x,y,z)$

              • The given surface is a sphere of radius $sqrt{50}$ centered at the origin. A sphere cannot be represented as a function $f(x,y)$


              However, hope is not lost. The given point $(3,4,5)$ lies on the upper hemisphere, and a hemisphere is the graph of a function $z=f(x,y)$. What function is it? Well in this case we have
              $$z^{2}=50-x^{2}-y^{2}$$
              so the top hemisphere is given by
              $$z=sqrt{50-x^{2}-y^{2}}=(50-x^{2}-y^{2})^{1/2}$$
              This is our $f(x,y)$. I'll point out that the lower hemisphere is given by $-f(x,y)$. Now, with this $f$, we have
              $$frac{partial f}{partial x}=frac{1}{2}(50-x^{2}-y^{2})^{-1/2}cdot(-2x)$$
              and
              $$frac{partial f}{partial y}=frac{1}{2}(50-x^{2}-y^{2})^{-1/2}cdot(-2y)$$



              Plugging in $x=3,y=4$ we have
              $$f_{x}(3,4)=-frac{3}{5}$$
              and
              $$f_{y}(3,4)=-frac{4}{5}$$
              Since $f(3,4)=5$, the tangent plane has equation
              $$z=5-frac{3}{5}(x-3)-frac{4}{5}(y-4)$$
              which, after some algebra, becomes
              $$3x+4y+5z=50$$







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                  $f(x,y,z)=x^2+y^2+z^2-50=0;$



                  Normal vector to surface $f(x,y,z)=0$ is given by



                  $vec n= nabla f(x,y,z)=(f_x,f_y,f_z)=(2x,2y,2z)$



                  Equation.of tangent plane:



                  $vec n cdot (vec r -vec r_0)=0$;



                  With $vec n= 2(3,4,5)$ and $vec r_0=(3,4,5)$:



                  $2(3,4,5)cdot ((x,y,z)-(3,4,5))=0;$



                  $3x+4y+5z -9-16-25=0;$



                  $3x+4y+5z =50.$






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                    $f(x,y,z)=x^2+y^2+z^2-50=0;$



                    Normal vector to surface $f(x,y,z)=0$ is given by



                    $vec n= nabla f(x,y,z)=(f_x,f_y,f_z)=(2x,2y,2z)$



                    Equation.of tangent plane:



                    $vec n cdot (vec r -vec r_0)=0$;



                    With $vec n= 2(3,4,5)$ and $vec r_0=(3,4,5)$:



                    $2(3,4,5)cdot ((x,y,z)-(3,4,5))=0;$



                    $3x+4y+5z -9-16-25=0;$



                    $3x+4y+5z =50.$






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                      $f(x,y,z)=x^2+y^2+z^2-50=0;$



                      Normal vector to surface $f(x,y,z)=0$ is given by



                      $vec n= nabla f(x,y,z)=(f_x,f_y,f_z)=(2x,2y,2z)$



                      Equation.of tangent plane:



                      $vec n cdot (vec r -vec r_0)=0$;



                      With $vec n= 2(3,4,5)$ and $vec r_0=(3,4,5)$:



                      $2(3,4,5)cdot ((x,y,z)-(3,4,5))=0;$



                      $3x+4y+5z -9-16-25=0;$



                      $3x+4y+5z =50.$






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                      $f(x,y,z)=x^2+y^2+z^2-50=0;$



                      Normal vector to surface $f(x,y,z)=0$ is given by



                      $vec n= nabla f(x,y,z)=(f_x,f_y,f_z)=(2x,2y,2z)$



                      Equation.of tangent plane:



                      $vec n cdot (vec r -vec r_0)=0$;



                      With $vec n= 2(3,4,5)$ and $vec r_0=(3,4,5)$:



                      $2(3,4,5)cdot ((x,y,z)-(3,4,5))=0;$



                      $3x+4y+5z -9-16-25=0;$



                      $3x+4y+5z =50.$







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                          In order to calculate the tangent plane at $P = (3,4,5)$, we can consider the parametrization:



                          begin{align*}
                          varphi(x,y) = left(x,y,sqrt{50 - x^{2} - y^{2}}right)
                          end{align*}



                          Consequently, the tangent plane $pi$ at the given point can be described by



                          begin{align*}
                          (x,y,z) = P + alphavarphi_{x}(3,4) + betavarphi_{y}(3,4)
                          end{align*}



                          where $(alpha,beta)inmathbb{R}^{2}$.






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                            $begingroup$

                            In order to calculate the tangent plane at $P = (3,4,5)$, we can consider the parametrization:



                            begin{align*}
                            varphi(x,y) = left(x,y,sqrt{50 - x^{2} - y^{2}}right)
                            end{align*}



                            Consequently, the tangent plane $pi$ at the given point can be described by



                            begin{align*}
                            (x,y,z) = P + alphavarphi_{x}(3,4) + betavarphi_{y}(3,4)
                            end{align*}



                            where $(alpha,beta)inmathbb{R}^{2}$.






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                              $begingroup$

                              In order to calculate the tangent plane at $P = (3,4,5)$, we can consider the parametrization:



                              begin{align*}
                              varphi(x,y) = left(x,y,sqrt{50 - x^{2} - y^{2}}right)
                              end{align*}



                              Consequently, the tangent plane $pi$ at the given point can be described by



                              begin{align*}
                              (x,y,z) = P + alphavarphi_{x}(3,4) + betavarphi_{y}(3,4)
                              end{align*}



                              where $(alpha,beta)inmathbb{R}^{2}$.






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                              In order to calculate the tangent plane at $P = (3,4,5)$, we can consider the parametrization:



                              begin{align*}
                              varphi(x,y) = left(x,y,sqrt{50 - x^{2} - y^{2}}right)
                              end{align*}



                              Consequently, the tangent plane $pi$ at the given point can be described by



                              begin{align*}
                              (x,y,z) = P + alphavarphi_{x}(3,4) + betavarphi_{y}(3,4)
                              end{align*}



                              where $(alpha,beta)inmathbb{R}^{2}$.







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                                  Why not forget Calculus and look geometrically?



                                  Having observed that the point $P=(3,4,5)$ is indeed on the sphere, one sees that the segment $overline{Bbb OP}$ is a radius, where $Bbb O$ is the origin, center of the sphere. Now certainly any radius is perpendicular to the tangent plane at the point in question, so that the vector $(3,4,5)$ is orthogonal to the plane, and thus the equation must be $3X+4Y+5Z=c$, for an appropriate $c$, which you find to be $c=50$, in order to guarantee that $P$ be on the plane.






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                                    Why not forget Calculus and look geometrically?



                                    Having observed that the point $P=(3,4,5)$ is indeed on the sphere, one sees that the segment $overline{Bbb OP}$ is a radius, where $Bbb O$ is the origin, center of the sphere. Now certainly any radius is perpendicular to the tangent plane at the point in question, so that the vector $(3,4,5)$ is orthogonal to the plane, and thus the equation must be $3X+4Y+5Z=c$, for an appropriate $c$, which you find to be $c=50$, in order to guarantee that $P$ be on the plane.






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                                      $begingroup$

                                      Why not forget Calculus and look geometrically?



                                      Having observed that the point $P=(3,4,5)$ is indeed on the sphere, one sees that the segment $overline{Bbb OP}$ is a radius, where $Bbb O$ is the origin, center of the sphere. Now certainly any radius is perpendicular to the tangent plane at the point in question, so that the vector $(3,4,5)$ is orthogonal to the plane, and thus the equation must be $3X+4Y+5Z=c$, for an appropriate $c$, which you find to be $c=50$, in order to guarantee that $P$ be on the plane.






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                                      Why not forget Calculus and look geometrically?



                                      Having observed that the point $P=(3,4,5)$ is indeed on the sphere, one sees that the segment $overline{Bbb OP}$ is a radius, where $Bbb O$ is the origin, center of the sphere. Now certainly any radius is perpendicular to the tangent plane at the point in question, so that the vector $(3,4,5)$ is orthogonal to the plane, and thus the equation must be $3X+4Y+5Z=c$, for an appropriate $c$, which you find to be $c=50$, in order to guarantee that $P$ be on the plane.







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