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For k $ge2$ we recursively define $A_{2^k}$ as $begin{bmatrix} A_{2^{k-1}} & A_{2^{k-1}} \ A_{2^{k-1}} & -A_{2^{k-1}} end{bmatrix}$ and $A_1=[1]$



The problem is to show that $|det(A_n)|=n^{n/2}$



My attempt: we do an induction on $k$



$|det(A_2)|=2=2^{2/2}$. Induction hypothesis: $|det(A_{n})|=n^{n/2}$ and we want to show that $|det(A_{2n})|=(2n)^n$



using block matrix properties



$|det(A_{2n})|=|det(begin{bmatrix} A_{n} & A_{n} \ A_{n} & -A_{n} end{bmatrix})|=|det(-A)det(A+AA^{-1}A)|=|2^ndet(A_n)^2|=|2^nn^n|=(2n)^n$



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    Looks ok. Alternatively you can prove (by induction on $k$) that $A_{2^k}A_{2^k}^T=2^k I$. As the determinants of the transposes are equal, the claim follows up to sign from this. The matrices you get are known as Hadamard matrices.
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For k $ge2$ we recursively define $A_{2^k}$ as $begin{bmatrix} A_{2^{k-1}} & A_{2^{k-1}} \ A_{2^{k-1}} & -A_{2^{k-1}} end{bmatrix}$ and $A_1=[1]$



The problem is to show that $|det(A_n)|=n^{n/2}$



My attempt: we do an induction on $k$



$|det(A_2)|=2=2^{2/2}$. Induction hypothesis: $|det(A_{n})|=n^{n/2}$ and we want to show that $|det(A_{2n})|=(2n)^n$



using block matrix properties



$|det(A_{2n})|=|det(begin{bmatrix} A_{n} & A_{n} \ A_{n} & -A_{n} end{bmatrix})|=|det(-A)det(A+AA^{-1}A)|=|2^ndet(A_n)^2|=|2^nn^n|=(2n)^n$



Can somone confirm that there are no flaws in the reasoning please?










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    Looks ok. Alternatively you can prove (by induction on $k$) that $A_{2^k}A_{2^k}^T=2^k I$. As the determinants of the transposes are equal, the claim follows up to sign from this. The matrices you get are known as Hadamard matrices.
    – Jyrki Lahtonen
    Mar 2 at 17:57















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For k $ge2$ we recursively define $A_{2^k}$ as $begin{bmatrix} A_{2^{k-1}} & A_{2^{k-1}} \ A_{2^{k-1}} & -A_{2^{k-1}} end{bmatrix}$ and $A_1=[1]$



The problem is to show that $|det(A_n)|=n^{n/2}$



My attempt: we do an induction on $k$



$|det(A_2)|=2=2^{2/2}$. Induction hypothesis: $|det(A_{n})|=n^{n/2}$ and we want to show that $|det(A_{2n})|=(2n)^n$



using block matrix properties



$|det(A_{2n})|=|det(begin{bmatrix} A_{n} & A_{n} \ A_{n} & -A_{n} end{bmatrix})|=|det(-A)det(A+AA^{-1}A)|=|2^ndet(A_n)^2|=|2^nn^n|=(2n)^n$



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For k $ge2$ we recursively define $A_{2^k}$ as $begin{bmatrix} A_{2^{k-1}} & A_{2^{k-1}} \ A_{2^{k-1}} & -A_{2^{k-1}} end{bmatrix}$ and $A_1=[1]$



The problem is to show that $|det(A_n)|=n^{n/2}$



My attempt: we do an induction on $k$



$|det(A_2)|=2=2^{2/2}$. Induction hypothesis: $|det(A_{n})|=n^{n/2}$ and we want to show that $|det(A_{2n})|=(2n)^n$



using block matrix properties



$|det(A_{2n})|=|det(begin{bmatrix} A_{n} & A_{n} \ A_{n} & -A_{n} end{bmatrix})|=|det(-A)det(A+AA^{-1}A)|=|2^ndet(A_n)^2|=|2^nn^n|=(2n)^n$



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    Looks ok. Alternatively you can prove (by induction on $k$) that $A_{2^k}A_{2^k}^T=2^k I$. As the determinants of the transposes are equal, the claim follows up to sign from this. The matrices you get are known as Hadamard matrices.
    – Jyrki Lahtonen
    Mar 2 at 17:57
















  • 2




    Looks ok. Alternatively you can prove (by induction on $k$) that $A_{2^k}A_{2^k}^T=2^k I$. As the determinants of the transposes are equal, the claim follows up to sign from this. The matrices you get are known as Hadamard matrices.
    – Jyrki Lahtonen
    Mar 2 at 17:57










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Looks ok. Alternatively you can prove (by induction on $k$) that $A_{2^k}A_{2^k}^T=2^k I$. As the determinants of the transposes are equal, the claim follows up to sign from this. The matrices you get are known as Hadamard matrices.
– Jyrki Lahtonen
Mar 2 at 17:57






Looks ok. Alternatively you can prove (by induction on $k$) that $A_{2^k}A_{2^k}^T=2^k I$. As the determinants of the transposes are equal, the claim follows up to sign from this. The matrices you get are known as Hadamard matrices.
– Jyrki Lahtonen
Mar 2 at 17:57












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Your proof looks good.



Alternately, for the induction-step, notice that
$$
begin{vmatrix}
A_n & A_n \
A_n & -A_n
end{vmatrix}
=
begin{vmatrix}
A_n & A_n \
0 & -2A_n
end{vmatrix},
$$

since the matrices
$$
begin{bmatrix}
A_n & A_n \
A_n & -A_n
end{bmatrix}
text{and}
begin{bmatrix}
A_n & A_n \
0 & -2A_n
end{bmatrix}
$$

are row-equivalent.



Thus,
$$|A_{2n}| = |A_n|cdot |-2A_n| = n^{n/2}(-2)^n n^{n/2} = 2^n n^n = (2n)^{2n/2}.$$






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    Your proof looks good.



    Alternately, for the induction-step, notice that
    $$
    begin{vmatrix}
    A_n & A_n \
    A_n & -A_n
    end{vmatrix}
    =
    begin{vmatrix}
    A_n & A_n \
    0 & -2A_n
    end{vmatrix},
    $$

    since the matrices
    $$
    begin{bmatrix}
    A_n & A_n \
    A_n & -A_n
    end{bmatrix}
    text{and}
    begin{bmatrix}
    A_n & A_n \
    0 & -2A_n
    end{bmatrix}
    $$

    are row-equivalent.



    Thus,
    $$|A_{2n}| = |A_n|cdot |-2A_n| = n^{n/2}(-2)^n n^{n/2} = 2^n n^n = (2n)^{2n/2}.$$






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      Your proof looks good.



      Alternately, for the induction-step, notice that
      $$
      begin{vmatrix}
      A_n & A_n \
      A_n & -A_n
      end{vmatrix}
      =
      begin{vmatrix}
      A_n & A_n \
      0 & -2A_n
      end{vmatrix},
      $$

      since the matrices
      $$
      begin{bmatrix}
      A_n & A_n \
      A_n & -A_n
      end{bmatrix}
      text{and}
      begin{bmatrix}
      A_n & A_n \
      0 & -2A_n
      end{bmatrix}
      $$

      are row-equivalent.



      Thus,
      $$|A_{2n}| = |A_n|cdot |-2A_n| = n^{n/2}(-2)^n n^{n/2} = 2^n n^n = (2n)^{2n/2}.$$






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        Your proof looks good.



        Alternately, for the induction-step, notice that
        $$
        begin{vmatrix}
        A_n & A_n \
        A_n & -A_n
        end{vmatrix}
        =
        begin{vmatrix}
        A_n & A_n \
        0 & -2A_n
        end{vmatrix},
        $$

        since the matrices
        $$
        begin{bmatrix}
        A_n & A_n \
        A_n & -A_n
        end{bmatrix}
        text{and}
        begin{bmatrix}
        A_n & A_n \
        0 & -2A_n
        end{bmatrix}
        $$

        are row-equivalent.



        Thus,
        $$|A_{2n}| = |A_n|cdot |-2A_n| = n^{n/2}(-2)^n n^{n/2} = 2^n n^n = (2n)^{2n/2}.$$






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        Your proof looks good.



        Alternately, for the induction-step, notice that
        $$
        begin{vmatrix}
        A_n & A_n \
        A_n & -A_n
        end{vmatrix}
        =
        begin{vmatrix}
        A_n & A_n \
        0 & -2A_n
        end{vmatrix},
        $$

        since the matrices
        $$
        begin{bmatrix}
        A_n & A_n \
        A_n & -A_n
        end{bmatrix}
        text{and}
        begin{bmatrix}
        A_n & A_n \
        0 & -2A_n
        end{bmatrix}
        $$

        are row-equivalent.



        Thus,
        $$|A_{2n}| = |A_n|cdot |-2A_n| = n^{n/2}(-2)^n n^{n/2} = 2^n n^n = (2n)^{2n/2}.$$







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