It is given that the series $ sum_{n=1}^{infty} a_n$ is convergent
It is given that the series $ sum_{n=1}^{infty} a_n$ is convergent but not absolutely convergent and $ sum_{n=1}^{infty} a_n=0$. Denote by $s_k$ the partial sum $ sum_{n=1}^{k} a_n, k=1,2,3, cdots $. Then
$ s_k=0$ for infinitely many $k$
$s_k>0$ for infinitely many $k$
it is possible that $ s_k>0$ for all $k$
it is possible that $ s_k>0$ for all but finite number of values of $k$.
Answer:
Consider the sequence $ {a_n }$ defined by $ a_{2n-1}=frac{1}{n}$ and $a_{2n}=-frac{1}{n}$, so that
$ sum_{n=1}^{infty} a_n=1-1+frac{1}{2}-frac{1}{2}+cdots $
Thus,
$ s_{2n-1}=frac{1}{n} to 0 as n to infty$,
$s_{2n} =0$
Thus,
$ sum_{n=1}^{infty} a_n=0$.
Also the series is not absolutely convergent.
Thus $s_{2n-1}=frac{1}{n}>0$ for infinitely many $n$
hence option $(3)$ is true.
What about the other options?
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It is given that the series $ sum_{n=1}^{infty} a_n$ is convergent but not absolutely convergent and $ sum_{n=1}^{infty} a_n=0$. Denote by $s_k$ the partial sum $ sum_{n=1}^{k} a_n, k=1,2,3, cdots $. Then
$ s_k=0$ for infinitely many $k$
$s_k>0$ for infinitely many $k$
it is possible that $ s_k>0$ for all $k$
it is possible that $ s_k>0$ for all but finite number of values of $k$.
Answer:
Consider the sequence $ {a_n }$ defined by $ a_{2n-1}=frac{1}{n}$ and $a_{2n}=-frac{1}{n}$, so that
$ sum_{n=1}^{infty} a_n=1-1+frac{1}{2}-frac{1}{2}+cdots $
Thus,
$ s_{2n-1}=frac{1}{n} to 0 as n to infty$,
$s_{2n} =0$
Thus,
$ sum_{n=1}^{infty} a_n=0$.
Also the series is not absolutely convergent.
Thus $s_{2n-1}=frac{1}{n}>0$ for infinitely many $n$
hence option $(3)$ is true.
What about the other options?
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It is given that the series $ sum_{n=1}^{infty} a_n$ is convergent but not absolutely convergent and $ sum_{n=1}^{infty} a_n=0$. Denote by $s_k$ the partial sum $ sum_{n=1}^{k} a_n, k=1,2,3, cdots $. Then
$ s_k=0$ for infinitely many $k$
$s_k>0$ for infinitely many $k$
it is possible that $ s_k>0$ for all $k$
it is possible that $ s_k>0$ for all but finite number of values of $k$.
Answer:
Consider the sequence $ {a_n }$ defined by $ a_{2n-1}=frac{1}{n}$ and $a_{2n}=-frac{1}{n}$, so that
$ sum_{n=1}^{infty} a_n=1-1+frac{1}{2}-frac{1}{2}+cdots $
Thus,
$ s_{2n-1}=frac{1}{n} to 0 as n to infty$,
$s_{2n} =0$
Thus,
$ sum_{n=1}^{infty} a_n=0$.
Also the series is not absolutely convergent.
Thus $s_{2n-1}=frac{1}{n}>0$ for infinitely many $n$
hence option $(3)$ is true.
What about the other options?
help me
sequences-and-series convergence
It is given that the series $ sum_{n=1}^{infty} a_n$ is convergent but not absolutely convergent and $ sum_{n=1}^{infty} a_n=0$. Denote by $s_k$ the partial sum $ sum_{n=1}^{k} a_n, k=1,2,3, cdots $. Then
$ s_k=0$ for infinitely many $k$
$s_k>0$ for infinitely many $k$
it is possible that $ s_k>0$ for all $k$
it is possible that $ s_k>0$ for all but finite number of values of $k$.
Answer:
Consider the sequence $ {a_n }$ defined by $ a_{2n-1}=frac{1}{n}$ and $a_{2n}=-frac{1}{n}$, so that
$ sum_{n=1}^{infty} a_n=1-1+frac{1}{2}-frac{1}{2}+cdots $
Thus,
$ s_{2n-1}=frac{1}{n} to 0 as n to infty$,
$s_{2n} =0$
Thus,
$ sum_{n=1}^{infty} a_n=0$.
Also the series is not absolutely convergent.
Thus $s_{2n-1}=frac{1}{n}>0$ for infinitely many $n$
hence option $(3)$ is true.
What about the other options?
help me
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Your example doesn't show that (3) is true, since there are infinitely many values where $s_k=0notgt 0$.
However, if you did have an example to show that (3) was true, you would know the answers to all the other questions. If you can have a series satisfying (3), the same series satisfies (4). Also, by swapping signs in all the terms in your series, you get a counterexample to (1) and (2), so they are not necessarily true.
(The issue here is that (3) and (4) are statements that something that can happen, whereas (1) and (2) are statements that something must happen, so examples can prove (3) and (4), and disprove (1) and (2).)
So we want to find an example for (3). As a hint for this, try starting with the harmonic series and showing that you can insert signs in such a way that the sums $s_k$ are always positive, but less than say $2/k$.
No, your example shows $s_k > 0$ for infinitely many $k$, but (3) requires it for all $k$.
– Ingix
Nov 29 at 9:39
yes I have got it
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 29 at 9:42
Please can you give that example. I am trying but failed
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 29 at 10:37
@M.A.SARKAR try to prove by induction: if $0<s_k<2/s_k$ then you can choose $a_{k+1}=pm1/(k+1)$ such that the same inequality holds for $k+1$.
– Especially Lime
Nov 29 at 11:12
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@M.A.SARKAR yes, I meant $0<s_k<2/k$, apologies.
– Especially Lime
Nov 29 at 14:59
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Also option $4$ is true according to your example with a bit change where you need to swap the values of $a_1$ and $a_2$ together. The other options are also true according to your example.
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As has been said, if you have a correct example to (3), this solves all the other problems as well, (1) and (2) in the negative and (4) in the positive. My hint is to modify your example such that $s_{2n}$ forms a positive sequence that as a sum is (absolutly) convergent.
The latter part makes sure (which you need to prove) that the modified $a'_n$ is not suddenly becming absolutely convergent.
ADDED: A possible solution would be shooting for $s_{2n-1}=frac1n$ and $s_{2n}=frac1{2^n}$. This means $a_{2n}=frac1{2^n} - frac1n$ and $a_{2n-1}=frac1n - frac1{2^{n-1}}$ for $n > 1$ and $a_1=1$.
To prove that this sequence $(a_n)$ is not absolutely convergent, note that it is the sum of two parts: $p_1=(1,-1,frac12,-frac12,frac13,-frac13,ldots)$ and $p_2=(0, frac12,-frac12,frac14,-frac14,frac18,-frac18,ldots)$.
$p_1$ is the sequence you used, and correctly noted as not absolutely convergent. $p_2$ is absolutely convergent. If they their sum $(a_n)$ was absolutely convergent, it would mean that $p_1 = (a_n) - p_2$ was absolutely convergent (sums/differences of absolutely convergent series' are also absolutely convergent), which isn't true.
Can you give the example?
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 29 at 10:38
See my edited answer.
– Ingix
Nov 29 at 11:30
your example will not work because $ s_{n}=a_{2n-1}+a_{2n}=frac{1}{2^{2n}}-frac{1}{2^{n-1}}<0$.
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 29 at 12:47
1
$s_n$ is the sum of all previous $a_i$, not just the last two!
– Ingix
Nov 29 at 14:03
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Your example doesn't show that (3) is true, since there are infinitely many values where $s_k=0notgt 0$.
However, if you did have an example to show that (3) was true, you would know the answers to all the other questions. If you can have a series satisfying (3), the same series satisfies (4). Also, by swapping signs in all the terms in your series, you get a counterexample to (1) and (2), so they are not necessarily true.
(The issue here is that (3) and (4) are statements that something that can happen, whereas (1) and (2) are statements that something must happen, so examples can prove (3) and (4), and disprove (1) and (2).)
So we want to find an example for (3). As a hint for this, try starting with the harmonic series and showing that you can insert signs in such a way that the sums $s_k$ are always positive, but less than say $2/k$.
No, your example shows $s_k > 0$ for infinitely many $k$, but (3) requires it for all $k$.
– Ingix
Nov 29 at 9:39
yes I have got it
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 29 at 9:42
Please can you give that example. I am trying but failed
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 29 at 10:37
@M.A.SARKAR try to prove by induction: if $0<s_k<2/s_k$ then you can choose $a_{k+1}=pm1/(k+1)$ such that the same inequality holds for $k+1$.
– Especially Lime
Nov 29 at 11:12
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@M.A.SARKAR yes, I meant $0<s_k<2/k$, apologies.
– Especially Lime
Nov 29 at 14:59
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Your example doesn't show that (3) is true, since there are infinitely many values where $s_k=0notgt 0$.
However, if you did have an example to show that (3) was true, you would know the answers to all the other questions. If you can have a series satisfying (3), the same series satisfies (4). Also, by swapping signs in all the terms in your series, you get a counterexample to (1) and (2), so they are not necessarily true.
(The issue here is that (3) and (4) are statements that something that can happen, whereas (1) and (2) are statements that something must happen, so examples can prove (3) and (4), and disprove (1) and (2).)
So we want to find an example for (3). As a hint for this, try starting with the harmonic series and showing that you can insert signs in such a way that the sums $s_k$ are always positive, but less than say $2/k$.
No, your example shows $s_k > 0$ for infinitely many $k$, but (3) requires it for all $k$.
– Ingix
Nov 29 at 9:39
yes I have got it
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 29 at 9:42
Please can you give that example. I am trying but failed
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 29 at 10:37
@M.A.SARKAR try to prove by induction: if $0<s_k<2/s_k$ then you can choose $a_{k+1}=pm1/(k+1)$ such that the same inequality holds for $k+1$.
– Especially Lime
Nov 29 at 11:12
1
@M.A.SARKAR yes, I meant $0<s_k<2/k$, apologies.
– Especially Lime
Nov 29 at 14:59
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Your example doesn't show that (3) is true, since there are infinitely many values where $s_k=0notgt 0$.
However, if you did have an example to show that (3) was true, you would know the answers to all the other questions. If you can have a series satisfying (3), the same series satisfies (4). Also, by swapping signs in all the terms in your series, you get a counterexample to (1) and (2), so they are not necessarily true.
(The issue here is that (3) and (4) are statements that something that can happen, whereas (1) and (2) are statements that something must happen, so examples can prove (3) and (4), and disprove (1) and (2).)
So we want to find an example for (3). As a hint for this, try starting with the harmonic series and showing that you can insert signs in such a way that the sums $s_k$ are always positive, but less than say $2/k$.
Your example doesn't show that (3) is true, since there are infinitely many values where $s_k=0notgt 0$.
However, if you did have an example to show that (3) was true, you would know the answers to all the other questions. If you can have a series satisfying (3), the same series satisfies (4). Also, by swapping signs in all the terms in your series, you get a counterexample to (1) and (2), so they are not necessarily true.
(The issue here is that (3) and (4) are statements that something that can happen, whereas (1) and (2) are statements that something must happen, so examples can prove (3) and (4), and disprove (1) and (2).)
So we want to find an example for (3). As a hint for this, try starting with the harmonic series and showing that you can insert signs in such a way that the sums $s_k$ are always positive, but less than say $2/k$.
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answered Nov 29 at 9:30
Especially Lime
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No, your example shows $s_k > 0$ for infinitely many $k$, but (3) requires it for all $k$.
– Ingix
Nov 29 at 9:39
yes I have got it
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 29 at 9:42
Please can you give that example. I am trying but failed
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 29 at 10:37
@M.A.SARKAR try to prove by induction: if $0<s_k<2/s_k$ then you can choose $a_{k+1}=pm1/(k+1)$ such that the same inequality holds for $k+1$.
– Especially Lime
Nov 29 at 11:12
1
@M.A.SARKAR yes, I meant $0<s_k<2/k$, apologies.
– Especially Lime
Nov 29 at 14:59
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No, your example shows $s_k > 0$ for infinitely many $k$, but (3) requires it for all $k$.
– Ingix
Nov 29 at 9:39
yes I have got it
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 29 at 9:42
Please can you give that example. I am trying but failed
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 29 at 10:37
@M.A.SARKAR try to prove by induction: if $0<s_k<2/s_k$ then you can choose $a_{k+1}=pm1/(k+1)$ such that the same inequality holds for $k+1$.
– Especially Lime
Nov 29 at 11:12
1
@M.A.SARKAR yes, I meant $0<s_k<2/k$, apologies.
– Especially Lime
Nov 29 at 14:59
No, your example shows $s_k > 0$ for infinitely many $k$, but (3) requires it for all $k$.
– Ingix
Nov 29 at 9:39
No, your example shows $s_k > 0$ for infinitely many $k$, but (3) requires it for all $k$.
– Ingix
Nov 29 at 9:39
yes I have got it
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 29 at 9:42
yes I have got it
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 29 at 9:42
Please can you give that example. I am trying but failed
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 29 at 10:37
Please can you give that example. I am trying but failed
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 29 at 10:37
@M.A.SARKAR try to prove by induction: if $0<s_k<2/s_k$ then you can choose $a_{k+1}=pm1/(k+1)$ such that the same inequality holds for $k+1$.
– Especially Lime
Nov 29 at 11:12
@M.A.SARKAR try to prove by induction: if $0<s_k<2/s_k$ then you can choose $a_{k+1}=pm1/(k+1)$ such that the same inequality holds for $k+1$.
– Especially Lime
Nov 29 at 11:12
1
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@M.A.SARKAR yes, I meant $0<s_k<2/k$, apologies.
– Especially Lime
Nov 29 at 14:59
@M.A.SARKAR yes, I meant $0<s_k<2/k$, apologies.
– Especially Lime
Nov 29 at 14:59
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Also option $4$ is true according to your example with a bit change where you need to swap the values of $a_1$ and $a_2$ together. The other options are also true according to your example.
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Also option $4$ is true according to your example with a bit change where you need to swap the values of $a_1$ and $a_2$ together. The other options are also true according to your example.
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Also option $4$ is true according to your example with a bit change where you need to swap the values of $a_1$ and $a_2$ together. The other options are also true according to your example.
Also option $4$ is true according to your example with a bit change where you need to swap the values of $a_1$ and $a_2$ together. The other options are also true according to your example.
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As has been said, if you have a correct example to (3), this solves all the other problems as well, (1) and (2) in the negative and (4) in the positive. My hint is to modify your example such that $s_{2n}$ forms a positive sequence that as a sum is (absolutly) convergent.
The latter part makes sure (which you need to prove) that the modified $a'_n$ is not suddenly becming absolutely convergent.
ADDED: A possible solution would be shooting for $s_{2n-1}=frac1n$ and $s_{2n}=frac1{2^n}$. This means $a_{2n}=frac1{2^n} - frac1n$ and $a_{2n-1}=frac1n - frac1{2^{n-1}}$ for $n > 1$ and $a_1=1$.
To prove that this sequence $(a_n)$ is not absolutely convergent, note that it is the sum of two parts: $p_1=(1,-1,frac12,-frac12,frac13,-frac13,ldots)$ and $p_2=(0, frac12,-frac12,frac14,-frac14,frac18,-frac18,ldots)$.
$p_1$ is the sequence you used, and correctly noted as not absolutely convergent. $p_2$ is absolutely convergent. If they their sum $(a_n)$ was absolutely convergent, it would mean that $p_1 = (a_n) - p_2$ was absolutely convergent (sums/differences of absolutely convergent series' are also absolutely convergent), which isn't true.
Can you give the example?
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 29 at 10:38
See my edited answer.
– Ingix
Nov 29 at 11:30
your example will not work because $ s_{n}=a_{2n-1}+a_{2n}=frac{1}{2^{2n}}-frac{1}{2^{n-1}}<0$.
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 29 at 12:47
1
$s_n$ is the sum of all previous $a_i$, not just the last two!
– Ingix
Nov 29 at 14:03
add a comment |
As has been said, if you have a correct example to (3), this solves all the other problems as well, (1) and (2) in the negative and (4) in the positive. My hint is to modify your example such that $s_{2n}$ forms a positive sequence that as a sum is (absolutly) convergent.
The latter part makes sure (which you need to prove) that the modified $a'_n$ is not suddenly becming absolutely convergent.
ADDED: A possible solution would be shooting for $s_{2n-1}=frac1n$ and $s_{2n}=frac1{2^n}$. This means $a_{2n}=frac1{2^n} - frac1n$ and $a_{2n-1}=frac1n - frac1{2^{n-1}}$ for $n > 1$ and $a_1=1$.
To prove that this sequence $(a_n)$ is not absolutely convergent, note that it is the sum of two parts: $p_1=(1,-1,frac12,-frac12,frac13,-frac13,ldots)$ and $p_2=(0, frac12,-frac12,frac14,-frac14,frac18,-frac18,ldots)$.
$p_1$ is the sequence you used, and correctly noted as not absolutely convergent. $p_2$ is absolutely convergent. If they their sum $(a_n)$ was absolutely convergent, it would mean that $p_1 = (a_n) - p_2$ was absolutely convergent (sums/differences of absolutely convergent series' are also absolutely convergent), which isn't true.
Can you give the example?
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 29 at 10:38
See my edited answer.
– Ingix
Nov 29 at 11:30
your example will not work because $ s_{n}=a_{2n-1}+a_{2n}=frac{1}{2^{2n}}-frac{1}{2^{n-1}}<0$.
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 29 at 12:47
1
$s_n$ is the sum of all previous $a_i$, not just the last two!
– Ingix
Nov 29 at 14:03
add a comment |
As has been said, if you have a correct example to (3), this solves all the other problems as well, (1) and (2) in the negative and (4) in the positive. My hint is to modify your example such that $s_{2n}$ forms a positive sequence that as a sum is (absolutly) convergent.
The latter part makes sure (which you need to prove) that the modified $a'_n$ is not suddenly becming absolutely convergent.
ADDED: A possible solution would be shooting for $s_{2n-1}=frac1n$ and $s_{2n}=frac1{2^n}$. This means $a_{2n}=frac1{2^n} - frac1n$ and $a_{2n-1}=frac1n - frac1{2^{n-1}}$ for $n > 1$ and $a_1=1$.
To prove that this sequence $(a_n)$ is not absolutely convergent, note that it is the sum of two parts: $p_1=(1,-1,frac12,-frac12,frac13,-frac13,ldots)$ and $p_2=(0, frac12,-frac12,frac14,-frac14,frac18,-frac18,ldots)$.
$p_1$ is the sequence you used, and correctly noted as not absolutely convergent. $p_2$ is absolutely convergent. If they their sum $(a_n)$ was absolutely convergent, it would mean that $p_1 = (a_n) - p_2$ was absolutely convergent (sums/differences of absolutely convergent series' are also absolutely convergent), which isn't true.
As has been said, if you have a correct example to (3), this solves all the other problems as well, (1) and (2) in the negative and (4) in the positive. My hint is to modify your example such that $s_{2n}$ forms a positive sequence that as a sum is (absolutly) convergent.
The latter part makes sure (which you need to prove) that the modified $a'_n$ is not suddenly becming absolutely convergent.
ADDED: A possible solution would be shooting for $s_{2n-1}=frac1n$ and $s_{2n}=frac1{2^n}$. This means $a_{2n}=frac1{2^n} - frac1n$ and $a_{2n-1}=frac1n - frac1{2^{n-1}}$ for $n > 1$ and $a_1=1$.
To prove that this sequence $(a_n)$ is not absolutely convergent, note that it is the sum of two parts: $p_1=(1,-1,frac12,-frac12,frac13,-frac13,ldots)$ and $p_2=(0, frac12,-frac12,frac14,-frac14,frac18,-frac18,ldots)$.
$p_1$ is the sequence you used, and correctly noted as not absolutely convergent. $p_2$ is absolutely convergent. If they their sum $(a_n)$ was absolutely convergent, it would mean that $p_1 = (a_n) - p_2$ was absolutely convergent (sums/differences of absolutely convergent series' are also absolutely convergent), which isn't true.
edited Nov 29 at 11:30
answered Nov 29 at 9:44
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Can you give the example?
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 29 at 10:38
See my edited answer.
– Ingix
Nov 29 at 11:30
your example will not work because $ s_{n}=a_{2n-1}+a_{2n}=frac{1}{2^{2n}}-frac{1}{2^{n-1}}<0$.
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 29 at 12:47
1
$s_n$ is the sum of all previous $a_i$, not just the last two!
– Ingix
Nov 29 at 14:03
add a comment |
Can you give the example?
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 29 at 10:38
See my edited answer.
– Ingix
Nov 29 at 11:30
your example will not work because $ s_{n}=a_{2n-1}+a_{2n}=frac{1}{2^{2n}}-frac{1}{2^{n-1}}<0$.
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 29 at 12:47
1
$s_n$ is the sum of all previous $a_i$, not just the last two!
– Ingix
Nov 29 at 14:03
Can you give the example?
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 29 at 10:38
Can you give the example?
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 29 at 10:38
See my edited answer.
– Ingix
Nov 29 at 11:30
See my edited answer.
– Ingix
Nov 29 at 11:30
your example will not work because $ s_{n}=a_{2n-1}+a_{2n}=frac{1}{2^{2n}}-frac{1}{2^{n-1}}<0$.
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 29 at 12:47
your example will not work because $ s_{n}=a_{2n-1}+a_{2n}=frac{1}{2^{2n}}-frac{1}{2^{n-1}}<0$.
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 29 at 12:47
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$s_n$ is the sum of all previous $a_i$, not just the last two!
– Ingix
Nov 29 at 14:03
$s_n$ is the sum of all previous $a_i$, not just the last two!
– Ingix
Nov 29 at 14:03
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