Let $xinBbb R$. Then there exists a unique $winBbb R$ such that $x+w=0$
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Let $x,yinBbb R$. We define addition operation $(+)$ on $Bbb R$ by $$x+ y:=inf{r+ smid r,sinBbb Q text{ and } x<r text{ and } y<s}$$
Then there exists a unique $winBbb R$ such that $x+w=0$.
Does my attempt look fine or contain logical flaws/gaps? Any suggestion is greatly appreciated. Thank you for your help!
My attempt:
Lemma:
Let $x,y,zinBbb R$.
$x+y=y+x$
$(x+y)+z=x+(y+z)$
$x+0=x$
If $rinBbb Q$ and $r>0$, there exists $ninBbb Nsetminus{0}$ such that $dfrac{1}{n}<r$.
For every $xin Bbb R$ and $ninBbb Nsetminus{0}$, there exist $r,sinBbb Q$ such that $r<xle s$ and $s-rledfrac{1}{n}$.
It is obvious that $x=inf {r mid rinBbb Q,x<r}$.
Existence
Let $w=inf{-smid sinBbb Q,s<x}$.
First, we prove that $x+w=inf{r-s mid r,sinBbb Q,s<x<r}$.
By definition, $x+w=inf{r+pmid r,pinBbb Q,x<r,w<p}$.
Substituting $-p$ for $p$, we get $x+w=inf{r-pmid r,-pinBbb Q,x<r,w<-p}=$ $inf{r-pmid r,pinBbb Q,x<r,w<-p}$.
We have $pinBbb Q$ and $w<-p iff pinBbb Q$ and $-p>-s$ for some $sinBbb Q$ such that $s<x$ $iff pinBbb Q$ and $p<s$ for some $sinBbb Q$ such that $s<x$ $iff p=s$ for some $sinBbb Q$ such that $s<x$.
Hence $x+w=inf{r-smid r,sinBbb Q,x<r,s<x}=inf{r-smid r,sinBbb Q,s<x<r}$.
Second, we prove that $x+w=0$.
We have $s<x<r implies r-s>0 implies x+w=inf{r-smid r,sinBbb Q,s<x<r} ge 0$.
Assume the contrary that $x+w>0$. Since $Bbb Q$ is dense in $Bbb R$, there exists $pinBbb Q$ such that $0<p<x+w$. By Lemma 2, there exists $ninBbb Nsetminus{0}$ such that $dfrac{1}{n}<p$. By Lemma 3, there exist $r_0,s_0inBbb Q$ such that $r_0<x< s_0$ and $s_0-r_0ledfrac{1}{n}<p<x+w$. This is clearly a contradiction. Hence $x+w=0$.
Uniqueness
Assume that $x+w=0$ and $x+w'=0$. By Lemma 1, $w=w+0=w+(x+w')=w+(w'+x)=(w+w')+x=(w'+w)+x=w'+(w+x)=w'+(x+w)=w'+0=w'.$
Hence such $w$ is unique.
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Let $x,yinBbb R$. We define addition operation $(+)$ on $Bbb R$ by $$x+ y:=inf{r+ smid r,sinBbb Q text{ and } x<r text{ and } y<s}$$
Then there exists a unique $winBbb R$ such that $x+w=0$.
Does my attempt look fine or contain logical flaws/gaps? Any suggestion is greatly appreciated. Thank you for your help!
My attempt:
Lemma:
Let $x,y,zinBbb R$.
$x+y=y+x$
$(x+y)+z=x+(y+z)$
$x+0=x$
If $rinBbb Q$ and $r>0$, there exists $ninBbb Nsetminus{0}$ such that $dfrac{1}{n}<r$.
For every $xin Bbb R$ and $ninBbb Nsetminus{0}$, there exist $r,sinBbb Q$ such that $r<xle s$ and $s-rledfrac{1}{n}$.
It is obvious that $x=inf {r mid rinBbb Q,x<r}$.
Existence
Let $w=inf{-smid sinBbb Q,s<x}$.
First, we prove that $x+w=inf{r-s mid r,sinBbb Q,s<x<r}$.
By definition, $x+w=inf{r+pmid r,pinBbb Q,x<r,w<p}$.
Substituting $-p$ for $p$, we get $x+w=inf{r-pmid r,-pinBbb Q,x<r,w<-p}=$ $inf{r-pmid r,pinBbb Q,x<r,w<-p}$.
We have $pinBbb Q$ and $w<-p iff pinBbb Q$ and $-p>-s$ for some $sinBbb Q$ such that $s<x$ $iff pinBbb Q$ and $p<s$ for some $sinBbb Q$ such that $s<x$ $iff p=s$ for some $sinBbb Q$ such that $s<x$.
Hence $x+w=inf{r-smid r,sinBbb Q,x<r,s<x}=inf{r-smid r,sinBbb Q,s<x<r}$.
Second, we prove that $x+w=0$.
We have $s<x<r implies r-s>0 implies x+w=inf{r-smid r,sinBbb Q,s<x<r} ge 0$.
Assume the contrary that $x+w>0$. Since $Bbb Q$ is dense in $Bbb R$, there exists $pinBbb Q$ such that $0<p<x+w$. By Lemma 2, there exists $ninBbb Nsetminus{0}$ such that $dfrac{1}{n}<p$. By Lemma 3, there exist $r_0,s_0inBbb Q$ such that $r_0<x< s_0$ and $s_0-r_0ledfrac{1}{n}<p<x+w$. This is clearly a contradiction. Hence $x+w=0$.
Uniqueness
Assume that $x+w=0$ and $x+w'=0$. By Lemma 1, $w=w+0=w+(x+w')=w+(w'+x)=(w+w')+x=(w'+w)+x=w'+(w+x)=w'+(x+w)=w'+0=w'.$
Hence such $w$ is unique.
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"It is obvious that" is no proof.
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– Shaun
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Thank you @Shaun, that's my sloppy. I should have said Since $Bbb Q$ is dense in $Bbb R$, $x=inf {r mid rinBbb Q,x<r}$.
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– Le Anh Dung
Jan 4 at 7:43
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Note that your "$+$" coincides with the usual addition on $mathbb{R}$. Once you prove that the statement becomes trivially true. And this follows from continuity of the usual addition and the fact that rationals are dense in reals.
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– freakish
Jan 4 at 9:02
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Out of curiosity, what (if anything) limits your reasoning to working with the set of Real Numbers? as in could this be applied to an ordered Field?
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– user150203
Jan 4 at 9:23
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Hi @DavidG, my textbook introduces the set of real numbers immediately right before the section of ordered field.
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Let $x,yinBbb R$. We define addition operation $(+)$ on $Bbb R$ by $$x+ y:=inf{r+ smid r,sinBbb Q text{ and } x<r text{ and } y<s}$$
Then there exists a unique $winBbb R$ such that $x+w=0$.
Does my attempt look fine or contain logical flaws/gaps? Any suggestion is greatly appreciated. Thank you for your help!
My attempt:
Lemma:
Let $x,y,zinBbb R$.
$x+y=y+x$
$(x+y)+z=x+(y+z)$
$x+0=x$
If $rinBbb Q$ and $r>0$, there exists $ninBbb Nsetminus{0}$ such that $dfrac{1}{n}<r$.
For every $xin Bbb R$ and $ninBbb Nsetminus{0}$, there exist $r,sinBbb Q$ such that $r<xle s$ and $s-rledfrac{1}{n}$.
It is obvious that $x=inf {r mid rinBbb Q,x<r}$.
Existence
Let $w=inf{-smid sinBbb Q,s<x}$.
First, we prove that $x+w=inf{r-s mid r,sinBbb Q,s<x<r}$.
By definition, $x+w=inf{r+pmid r,pinBbb Q,x<r,w<p}$.
Substituting $-p$ for $p$, we get $x+w=inf{r-pmid r,-pinBbb Q,x<r,w<-p}=$ $inf{r-pmid r,pinBbb Q,x<r,w<-p}$.
We have $pinBbb Q$ and $w<-p iff pinBbb Q$ and $-p>-s$ for some $sinBbb Q$ such that $s<x$ $iff pinBbb Q$ and $p<s$ for some $sinBbb Q$ such that $s<x$ $iff p=s$ for some $sinBbb Q$ such that $s<x$.
Hence $x+w=inf{r-smid r,sinBbb Q,x<r,s<x}=inf{r-smid r,sinBbb Q,s<x<r}$.
Second, we prove that $x+w=0$.
We have $s<x<r implies r-s>0 implies x+w=inf{r-smid r,sinBbb Q,s<x<r} ge 0$.
Assume the contrary that $x+w>0$. Since $Bbb Q$ is dense in $Bbb R$, there exists $pinBbb Q$ such that $0<p<x+w$. By Lemma 2, there exists $ninBbb Nsetminus{0}$ such that $dfrac{1}{n}<p$. By Lemma 3, there exist $r_0,s_0inBbb Q$ such that $r_0<x< s_0$ and $s_0-r_0ledfrac{1}{n}<p<x+w$. This is clearly a contradiction. Hence $x+w=0$.
Uniqueness
Assume that $x+w=0$ and $x+w'=0$. By Lemma 1, $w=w+0=w+(x+w')=w+(w'+x)=(w+w')+x=(w'+w)+x=w'+(w+x)=w'+(x+w)=w'+0=w'.$
Hence such $w$ is unique.
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Let $x,yinBbb R$. We define addition operation $(+)$ on $Bbb R$ by $$x+ y:=inf{r+ smid r,sinBbb Q text{ and } x<r text{ and } y<s}$$
Then there exists a unique $winBbb R$ such that $x+w=0$.
Does my attempt look fine or contain logical flaws/gaps? Any suggestion is greatly appreciated. Thank you for your help!
My attempt:
Lemma:
Let $x,y,zinBbb R$.
$x+y=y+x$
$(x+y)+z=x+(y+z)$
$x+0=x$
If $rinBbb Q$ and $r>0$, there exists $ninBbb Nsetminus{0}$ such that $dfrac{1}{n}<r$.
For every $xin Bbb R$ and $ninBbb Nsetminus{0}$, there exist $r,sinBbb Q$ such that $r<xle s$ and $s-rledfrac{1}{n}$.
It is obvious that $x=inf {r mid rinBbb Q,x<r}$.
Existence
Let $w=inf{-smid sinBbb Q,s<x}$.
First, we prove that $x+w=inf{r-s mid r,sinBbb Q,s<x<r}$.
By definition, $x+w=inf{r+pmid r,pinBbb Q,x<r,w<p}$.
Substituting $-p$ for $p$, we get $x+w=inf{r-pmid r,-pinBbb Q,x<r,w<-p}=$ $inf{r-pmid r,pinBbb Q,x<r,w<-p}$.
We have $pinBbb Q$ and $w<-p iff pinBbb Q$ and $-p>-s$ for some $sinBbb Q$ such that $s<x$ $iff pinBbb Q$ and $p<s$ for some $sinBbb Q$ such that $s<x$ $iff p=s$ for some $sinBbb Q$ such that $s<x$.
Hence $x+w=inf{r-smid r,sinBbb Q,x<r,s<x}=inf{r-smid r,sinBbb Q,s<x<r}$.
Second, we prove that $x+w=0$.
We have $s<x<r implies r-s>0 implies x+w=inf{r-smid r,sinBbb Q,s<x<r} ge 0$.
Assume the contrary that $x+w>0$. Since $Bbb Q$ is dense in $Bbb R$, there exists $pinBbb Q$ such that $0<p<x+w$. By Lemma 2, there exists $ninBbb Nsetminus{0}$ such that $dfrac{1}{n}<p$. By Lemma 3, there exist $r_0,s_0inBbb Q$ such that $r_0<x< s_0$ and $s_0-r_0ledfrac{1}{n}<p<x+w$. This is clearly a contradiction. Hence $x+w=0$.
Uniqueness
Assume that $x+w=0$ and $x+w'=0$. By Lemma 1, $w=w+0=w+(x+w')=w+(w'+x)=(w+w')+x=(w'+w)+x=w'+(w+x)=w'+(x+w)=w'+0=w'.$
Hence such $w$ is unique.
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"It is obvious that" is no proof.
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– Shaun
Jan 4 at 7:41
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Thank you @Shaun, that's my sloppy. I should have said Since $Bbb Q$ is dense in $Bbb R$, $x=inf {r mid rinBbb Q,x<r}$.
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– Le Anh Dung
Jan 4 at 7:43
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Note that your "$+$" coincides with the usual addition on $mathbb{R}$. Once you prove that the statement becomes trivially true. And this follows from continuity of the usual addition and the fact that rationals are dense in reals.
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– freakish
Jan 4 at 9:02
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Out of curiosity, what (if anything) limits your reasoning to working with the set of Real Numbers? as in could this be applied to an ordered Field?
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– user150203
Jan 4 at 9:23
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Hi @DavidG, my textbook introduces the set of real numbers immediately right before the section of ordered field.
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– Le Anh Dung
Jan 4 at 9:24
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"It is obvious that" is no proof.
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– Shaun
Jan 4 at 7:41
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Thank you @Shaun, that's my sloppy. I should have said Since $Bbb Q$ is dense in $Bbb R$, $x=inf {r mid rinBbb Q,x<r}$.
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– Le Anh Dung
Jan 4 at 7:43
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Note that your "$+$" coincides with the usual addition on $mathbb{R}$. Once you prove that the statement becomes trivially true. And this follows from continuity of the usual addition and the fact that rationals are dense in reals.
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– freakish
Jan 4 at 9:02
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Out of curiosity, what (if anything) limits your reasoning to working with the set of Real Numbers? as in could this be applied to an ordered Field?
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– user150203
Jan 4 at 9:23
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Hi @DavidG, my textbook introduces the set of real numbers immediately right before the section of ordered field.
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– Le Anh Dung
Jan 4 at 9:24
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"It is obvious that" is no proof.
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– Shaun
Jan 4 at 7:41
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"It is obvious that" is no proof.
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– Shaun
Jan 4 at 7:41
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Thank you @Shaun, that's my sloppy. I should have said Since $Bbb Q$ is dense in $Bbb R$, $x=inf {r mid rinBbb Q,x<r}$.
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– Le Anh Dung
Jan 4 at 7:43
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Thank you @Shaun, that's my sloppy. I should have said Since $Bbb Q$ is dense in $Bbb R$, $x=inf {r mid rinBbb Q,x<r}$.
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– Le Anh Dung
Jan 4 at 7:43
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Note that your "$+$" coincides with the usual addition on $mathbb{R}$. Once you prove that the statement becomes trivially true. And this follows from continuity of the usual addition and the fact that rationals are dense in reals.
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– freakish
Jan 4 at 9:02
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Note that your "$+$" coincides with the usual addition on $mathbb{R}$. Once you prove that the statement becomes trivially true. And this follows from continuity of the usual addition and the fact that rationals are dense in reals.
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– freakish
Jan 4 at 9:02
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Out of curiosity, what (if anything) limits your reasoning to working with the set of Real Numbers? as in could this be applied to an ordered Field?
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– user150203
Jan 4 at 9:23
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Out of curiosity, what (if anything) limits your reasoning to working with the set of Real Numbers? as in could this be applied to an ordered Field?
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– user150203
Jan 4 at 9:23
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Hi @DavidG, my textbook introduces the set of real numbers immediately right before the section of ordered field.
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– Le Anh Dung
Jan 4 at 9:24
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Hi @DavidG, my textbook introduces the set of real numbers immediately right before the section of ordered field.
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By a similar reasoning, I would like to present a proof of the below theorem.
Let $Bbb R^+={xinBbb R mid x>0}$ and $x,yinBbb R^+$. We define multiplication operation $(cdot)$ on $Bbb R^+$ by $$xcdot y:=inf{rcdot smid r,sinBbb Q text{ and } x<r text{ and } y<s}$$
Then there exists a unique $winBbb R^+$ such that $xcdot w=1$
Does my attempt look fine or contain logical flaws/gaps? Any suggestion is greatly appreciated. Thank you for your help!
My attempt:
Lemma:
Let $x,y,zinBbb R^+$.
$xcdot y=ycdot x$
$xcdot (y+z)=xcdot y+xcdot z$
$(xcdot y)cdot z=xcdot (ycdot z)$
$xcdot 1=x$
For every $x,kinBbb R$ such that $0<x,1<k$. There exists $s,rinBbb Q$ such that $0<s<x<r$ and $r/s<k$.
Since $Bbb Q$ is dense in $Bbb R$, $x=inf {r mid rinBbb Q,x<r}$.
Existence
Since $Bbb Q$ is dense in $Bbb R$, $x=inf {r mid rinBbb Q,x<r}$. Let $w=inf{1/smid sinBbb Q,0<s<x}$.
We prove that $xcdot w=inf{r/smid r,sinBbb Q,0<s<x<r}$.
By definition, $xcdot w=inf{rcdot pmid r,pinBbb Q,x<r,w<p}$.
We substitute $1/p$ for $p$ and get $xcdot w=inf{rcdot (1/p)mid r,1/pinBbb Q,x<r,w<1/p}$ $=inf{r/pmid r,pinBbb Q,x<r,w<1/p}$.
We have $pinBbb Q$ and $w<1/p$ $iff pinBbb Q$ and $1/p>1/s$ for some $sinBbb Q$ such that $0<s<x$ $iff pinBbb Q$ and $0<p<s$ for some $sinBbb Q$ such that $0<s<x$ $iff p=s$ for some $sinBbb Q$ such that $0<s<x$.
Hence $xcdot w=inf{r/smid r,sinBbb Q,x<r,0<s<x}=inf{r/smid r,sinBbb Q,0<s<x<r}$.
Second, we prove $xcdot w=1$.
We have $0<s<r implies 1<r/s implies xcdot w=inf{r/smid r,sinBbb Q,0<s<x<r} ge 1$.
Assume the contrary that $xcdot w>1$. Since $Bbb Q$ is dense in $Bbb R$, there exists $pinBbb Q$ such that $1<p<xcdot w$. By Lemma 2, there exist $s,rinBbb Q$ such that $0<s<x<r$ and $r/s<p<xcdot w$. This is clearly a contradiction. Hence $xcdot w=1$.
Uniqueness
Assume that $xcdot w=xcdot w'=1$. By Lemma 1, $w=wcdot 1=wcdot (xcdot w')=wcdot (w'cdot x)=$ $(wcdot w')cdot x=(w'cdot w)cdot x=w'cdot (wcdot x)=w'cdot (xcdot w)=w'cdot 1=w'.$ Hence such $w$ is unique.
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By a similar reasoning, I would like to present a proof of the below theorem.
Let $Bbb R^+={xinBbb R mid x>0}$ and $x,yinBbb R^+$. We define multiplication operation $(cdot)$ on $Bbb R^+$ by $$xcdot y:=inf{rcdot smid r,sinBbb Q text{ and } x<r text{ and } y<s}$$
Then there exists a unique $winBbb R^+$ such that $xcdot w=1$
Does my attempt look fine or contain logical flaws/gaps? Any suggestion is greatly appreciated. Thank you for your help!
My attempt:
Lemma:
Let $x,y,zinBbb R^+$.
$xcdot y=ycdot x$
$xcdot (y+z)=xcdot y+xcdot z$
$(xcdot y)cdot z=xcdot (ycdot z)$
$xcdot 1=x$
For every $x,kinBbb R$ such that $0<x,1<k$. There exists $s,rinBbb Q$ such that $0<s<x<r$ and $r/s<k$.
Since $Bbb Q$ is dense in $Bbb R$, $x=inf {r mid rinBbb Q,x<r}$.
Existence
Since $Bbb Q$ is dense in $Bbb R$, $x=inf {r mid rinBbb Q,x<r}$. Let $w=inf{1/smid sinBbb Q,0<s<x}$.
We prove that $xcdot w=inf{r/smid r,sinBbb Q,0<s<x<r}$.
By definition, $xcdot w=inf{rcdot pmid r,pinBbb Q,x<r,w<p}$.
We substitute $1/p$ for $p$ and get $xcdot w=inf{rcdot (1/p)mid r,1/pinBbb Q,x<r,w<1/p}$ $=inf{r/pmid r,pinBbb Q,x<r,w<1/p}$.
We have $pinBbb Q$ and $w<1/p$ $iff pinBbb Q$ and $1/p>1/s$ for some $sinBbb Q$ such that $0<s<x$ $iff pinBbb Q$ and $0<p<s$ for some $sinBbb Q$ such that $0<s<x$ $iff p=s$ for some $sinBbb Q$ such that $0<s<x$.
Hence $xcdot w=inf{r/smid r,sinBbb Q,x<r,0<s<x}=inf{r/smid r,sinBbb Q,0<s<x<r}$.
Second, we prove $xcdot w=1$.
We have $0<s<r implies 1<r/s implies xcdot w=inf{r/smid r,sinBbb Q,0<s<x<r} ge 1$.
Assume the contrary that $xcdot w>1$. Since $Bbb Q$ is dense in $Bbb R$, there exists $pinBbb Q$ such that $1<p<xcdot w$. By Lemma 2, there exist $s,rinBbb Q$ such that $0<s<x<r$ and $r/s<p<xcdot w$. This is clearly a contradiction. Hence $xcdot w=1$.
Uniqueness
Assume that $xcdot w=xcdot w'=1$. By Lemma 1, $w=wcdot 1=wcdot (xcdot w')=wcdot (w'cdot x)=$ $(wcdot w')cdot x=(w'cdot w)cdot x=w'cdot (wcdot x)=w'cdot (xcdot w)=w'cdot 1=w'.$ Hence such $w$ is unique.
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By a similar reasoning, I would like to present a proof of the below theorem.
Let $Bbb R^+={xinBbb R mid x>0}$ and $x,yinBbb R^+$. We define multiplication operation $(cdot)$ on $Bbb R^+$ by $$xcdot y:=inf{rcdot smid r,sinBbb Q text{ and } x<r text{ and } y<s}$$
Then there exists a unique $winBbb R^+$ such that $xcdot w=1$
Does my attempt look fine or contain logical flaws/gaps? Any suggestion is greatly appreciated. Thank you for your help!
My attempt:
Lemma:
Let $x,y,zinBbb R^+$.
$xcdot y=ycdot x$
$xcdot (y+z)=xcdot y+xcdot z$
$(xcdot y)cdot z=xcdot (ycdot z)$
$xcdot 1=x$
For every $x,kinBbb R$ such that $0<x,1<k$. There exists $s,rinBbb Q$ such that $0<s<x<r$ and $r/s<k$.
Since $Bbb Q$ is dense in $Bbb R$, $x=inf {r mid rinBbb Q,x<r}$.
Existence
Since $Bbb Q$ is dense in $Bbb R$, $x=inf {r mid rinBbb Q,x<r}$. Let $w=inf{1/smid sinBbb Q,0<s<x}$.
We prove that $xcdot w=inf{r/smid r,sinBbb Q,0<s<x<r}$.
By definition, $xcdot w=inf{rcdot pmid r,pinBbb Q,x<r,w<p}$.
We substitute $1/p$ for $p$ and get $xcdot w=inf{rcdot (1/p)mid r,1/pinBbb Q,x<r,w<1/p}$ $=inf{r/pmid r,pinBbb Q,x<r,w<1/p}$.
We have $pinBbb Q$ and $w<1/p$ $iff pinBbb Q$ and $1/p>1/s$ for some $sinBbb Q$ such that $0<s<x$ $iff pinBbb Q$ and $0<p<s$ for some $sinBbb Q$ such that $0<s<x$ $iff p=s$ for some $sinBbb Q$ such that $0<s<x$.
Hence $xcdot w=inf{r/smid r,sinBbb Q,x<r,0<s<x}=inf{r/smid r,sinBbb Q,0<s<x<r}$.
Second, we prove $xcdot w=1$.
We have $0<s<r implies 1<r/s implies xcdot w=inf{r/smid r,sinBbb Q,0<s<x<r} ge 1$.
Assume the contrary that $xcdot w>1$. Since $Bbb Q$ is dense in $Bbb R$, there exists $pinBbb Q$ such that $1<p<xcdot w$. By Lemma 2, there exist $s,rinBbb Q$ such that $0<s<x<r$ and $r/s<p<xcdot w$. This is clearly a contradiction. Hence $xcdot w=1$.
Uniqueness
Assume that $xcdot w=xcdot w'=1$. By Lemma 1, $w=wcdot 1=wcdot (xcdot w')=wcdot (w'cdot x)=$ $(wcdot w')cdot x=(w'cdot w)cdot x=w'cdot (wcdot x)=w'cdot (xcdot w)=w'cdot 1=w'.$ Hence such $w$ is unique.
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By a similar reasoning, I would like to present a proof of the below theorem.
Let $Bbb R^+={xinBbb R mid x>0}$ and $x,yinBbb R^+$. We define multiplication operation $(cdot)$ on $Bbb R^+$ by $$xcdot y:=inf{rcdot smid r,sinBbb Q text{ and } x<r text{ and } y<s}$$
Then there exists a unique $winBbb R^+$ such that $xcdot w=1$
Does my attempt look fine or contain logical flaws/gaps? Any suggestion is greatly appreciated. Thank you for your help!
My attempt:
Lemma:
Let $x,y,zinBbb R^+$.
$xcdot y=ycdot x$
$xcdot (y+z)=xcdot y+xcdot z$
$(xcdot y)cdot z=xcdot (ycdot z)$
$xcdot 1=x$
For every $x,kinBbb R$ such that $0<x,1<k$. There exists $s,rinBbb Q$ such that $0<s<x<r$ and $r/s<k$.
Since $Bbb Q$ is dense in $Bbb R$, $x=inf {r mid rinBbb Q,x<r}$.
Existence
Since $Bbb Q$ is dense in $Bbb R$, $x=inf {r mid rinBbb Q,x<r}$. Let $w=inf{1/smid sinBbb Q,0<s<x}$.
We prove that $xcdot w=inf{r/smid r,sinBbb Q,0<s<x<r}$.
By definition, $xcdot w=inf{rcdot pmid r,pinBbb Q,x<r,w<p}$.
We substitute $1/p$ for $p$ and get $xcdot w=inf{rcdot (1/p)mid r,1/pinBbb Q,x<r,w<1/p}$ $=inf{r/pmid r,pinBbb Q,x<r,w<1/p}$.
We have $pinBbb Q$ and $w<1/p$ $iff pinBbb Q$ and $1/p>1/s$ for some $sinBbb Q$ such that $0<s<x$ $iff pinBbb Q$ and $0<p<s$ for some $sinBbb Q$ such that $0<s<x$ $iff p=s$ for some $sinBbb Q$ such that $0<s<x$.
Hence $xcdot w=inf{r/smid r,sinBbb Q,x<r,0<s<x}=inf{r/smid r,sinBbb Q,0<s<x<r}$.
Second, we prove $xcdot w=1$.
We have $0<s<r implies 1<r/s implies xcdot w=inf{r/smid r,sinBbb Q,0<s<x<r} ge 1$.
Assume the contrary that $xcdot w>1$. Since $Bbb Q$ is dense in $Bbb R$, there exists $pinBbb Q$ such that $1<p<xcdot w$. By Lemma 2, there exist $s,rinBbb Q$ such that $0<s<x<r$ and $r/s<p<xcdot w$. This is clearly a contradiction. Hence $xcdot w=1$.
Uniqueness
Assume that $xcdot w=xcdot w'=1$. By Lemma 1, $w=wcdot 1=wcdot (xcdot w')=wcdot (w'cdot x)=$ $(wcdot w')cdot x=(w'cdot w)cdot x=w'cdot (wcdot x)=w'cdot (xcdot w)=w'cdot 1=w'.$ Hence such $w$ is unique.
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By a similar reasoning, I would like to present a proof of the below theorem.
Let $Bbb R^+={xinBbb R mid x>0}$ and $x,yinBbb R^+$. We define multiplication operation $(cdot)$ on $Bbb R^+$ by $$xcdot y:=inf{rcdot smid r,sinBbb Q text{ and } x<r text{ and } y<s}$$
Then there exists a unique $winBbb R^+$ such that $xcdot w=1$
Does my attempt look fine or contain logical flaws/gaps? Any suggestion is greatly appreciated. Thank you for your help!
My attempt:
Lemma:
Let $x,y,zinBbb R^+$.
$xcdot y=ycdot x$
$xcdot (y+z)=xcdot y+xcdot z$
$(xcdot y)cdot z=xcdot (ycdot z)$
$xcdot 1=x$
For every $x,kinBbb R$ such that $0<x,1<k$. There exists $s,rinBbb Q$ such that $0<s<x<r$ and $r/s<k$.
Since $Bbb Q$ is dense in $Bbb R$, $x=inf {r mid rinBbb Q,x<r}$.
Existence
Since $Bbb Q$ is dense in $Bbb R$, $x=inf {r mid rinBbb Q,x<r}$. Let $w=inf{1/smid sinBbb Q,0<s<x}$.
We prove that $xcdot w=inf{r/smid r,sinBbb Q,0<s<x<r}$.
By definition, $xcdot w=inf{rcdot pmid r,pinBbb Q,x<r,w<p}$.
We substitute $1/p$ for $p$ and get $xcdot w=inf{rcdot (1/p)mid r,1/pinBbb Q,x<r,w<1/p}$ $=inf{r/pmid r,pinBbb Q,x<r,w<1/p}$.
We have $pinBbb Q$ and $w<1/p$ $iff pinBbb Q$ and $1/p>1/s$ for some $sinBbb Q$ such that $0<s<x$ $iff pinBbb Q$ and $0<p<s$ for some $sinBbb Q$ such that $0<s<x$ $iff p=s$ for some $sinBbb Q$ such that $0<s<x$.
Hence $xcdot w=inf{r/smid r,sinBbb Q,x<r,0<s<x}=inf{r/smid r,sinBbb Q,0<s<x<r}$.
Second, we prove $xcdot w=1$.
We have $0<s<r implies 1<r/s implies xcdot w=inf{r/smid r,sinBbb Q,0<s<x<r} ge 1$.
Assume the contrary that $xcdot w>1$. Since $Bbb Q$ is dense in $Bbb R$, there exists $pinBbb Q$ such that $1<p<xcdot w$. By Lemma 2, there exist $s,rinBbb Q$ such that $0<s<x<r$ and $r/s<p<xcdot w$. This is clearly a contradiction. Hence $xcdot w=1$.
Uniqueness
Assume that $xcdot w=xcdot w'=1$. By Lemma 1, $w=wcdot 1=wcdot (xcdot w')=wcdot (w'cdot x)=$ $(wcdot w')cdot x=(w'cdot w)cdot x=w'cdot (wcdot x)=w'cdot (xcdot w)=w'cdot 1=w'.$ Hence such $w$ is unique.
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"It is obvious that" is no proof.
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– Shaun
Jan 4 at 7:41
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Thank you @Shaun, that's my sloppy. I should have said Since $Bbb Q$ is dense in $Bbb R$, $x=inf {r mid rinBbb Q,x<r}$.
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– Le Anh Dung
Jan 4 at 7:43
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Note that your "$+$" coincides with the usual addition on $mathbb{R}$. Once you prove that the statement becomes trivially true. And this follows from continuity of the usual addition and the fact that rationals are dense in reals.
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– freakish
Jan 4 at 9:02
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Out of curiosity, what (if anything) limits your reasoning to working with the set of Real Numbers? as in could this be applied to an ordered Field?
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– user150203
Jan 4 at 9:23
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Hi @DavidG, my textbook introduces the set of real numbers immediately right before the section of ordered field.
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– Le Anh Dung
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