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          It is not open because there is no $epsilon > 0$ such that $(0-epsilon,0+epsilon) subseteq [0,1)$.



          It is not closed because $1$ is a limit point of the set which is not contained in it.






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            @MonkeyD.Luffy A finite union of closed sets is closed, an arbitrary intersection of closed sets is closed. DeMorgan's Law gives you the analogous statements for open sets.
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          For a slightly more exotic example, the rationals, $mathbb{Q}$.



          They are not open because any interval about a rational point $r$, $(r-epsilon,r+epsilon)$, contains an irrational point.



          They are not closed because every irrational point is the limit of a sequence of rational points. If $s$ is irrational, consider the sequence $left{ dfrac{lfloor10^n srfloor}{10^n} right}.$






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          • $mathbb Q$ is exotic?
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          Let $A = {frac{1}{n} : n in mathbb{N}}$.



          $A$ is not closed since $0$ is a limit point of $A$, but $0 notin A$.



          $A$ is not open since every ball around any point contains a point in $mathbb{R} - A$.






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            Take $mathbb{R}$ with the finite complement topology - that is, the open sets are exactly those with finite complement. Then $[0,1]$ is neither open nor closed. It is not open since $mathbb{R}setminus [0,1]=(-infty,0) cup (1,infty)$ is not finite, and it is not closed since its complement, $(-infty,0) cup (1,infty)$, is not open, as just demonstrated.






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              The interval $left ( 0,1 right )$ as a subset of $mathbb{R}^{2}$, that is $left { left ( x,0 right ) in mathbb{R}^{2}: x in left ( 0,1 right )right }$ is neither open nor closed because none of its points are interior points and $left ( 1,0 right )$ is a limit point not in the set.






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                The rational numbers $mathbb{Q}$ are neither open nor closed. Recall a subset S of a metric space X space is open if every point x in S has an $epsilon$-neighborhood $N_{epsilon}(x)$ that is a proper subset of S. And a set is closed if(and only if) its complement is open. So $forall (q in mathbb{Q},r in [mathbb{R} setminus mathbb{Q}], epsilon > 0, lambda > 0)$ , $N_{epsilon}(q) cap [mathbb{R} setminusmathbb{Q}]neq emptyset$ and $N_{lambda}(r) cap mathbb{Q} neq emptyset$. So $mathbb{Q}$ is not open since every $epsilon$-neighborhood or a rational number contains irrationals. But its complement $ [mathbb{R} setminusmathbb{Q}]$, the set of irrational numbers, is also not open since no $epsilon$-neighborhoods or irrationals contain exclusively irrationals. But the complement of the rationals is not open, so $mathbb{Q}$ cannot be closed either. Therefore, the set of rationals is neither open nor closed.



                Might I add: most of the previous examples are of sets that are both open and closed(like the half-open intervals of the real line [0,1) for example).






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                  It is not open because there is no $epsilon > 0$ such that $(0-epsilon,0+epsilon) subseteq [0,1)$.



                  It is not closed because $1$ is a limit point of the set which is not contained in it.






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                  • One last Question, does the set has be connected? for example:- [1,2]U[3,4] ... what can we say about this set?
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                    @MonkeyD.Luffy A finite union of closed sets is closed, an arbitrary intersection of closed sets is closed. DeMorgan's Law gives you the analogous statements for open sets.
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                  $[0,1)$



                  It is not open because there is no $epsilon > 0$ such that $(0-epsilon,0+epsilon) subseteq [0,1)$.



                  It is not closed because $1$ is a limit point of the set which is not contained in it.






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                    @MonkeyD.Luffy A finite union of closed sets is closed, an arbitrary intersection of closed sets is closed. DeMorgan's Law gives you the analogous statements for open sets.
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                  $[0,1)$



                  It is not open because there is no $epsilon > 0$ such that $(0-epsilon,0+epsilon) subseteq [0,1)$.



                  It is not closed because $1$ is a limit point of the set which is not contained in it.






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                  $[0,1)$



                  It is not open because there is no $epsilon > 0$ such that $(0-epsilon,0+epsilon) subseteq [0,1)$.



                  It is not closed because $1$ is a limit point of the set which is not contained in it.







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                  • One last Question, does the set has be connected? for example:- [1,2]U[3,4] ... what can we say about this set?
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                    @MonkeyD.Luffy A finite union of closed sets is closed, an arbitrary intersection of closed sets is closed. DeMorgan's Law gives you the analogous statements for open sets.
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                    @MonkeyD.Luffy A finite union of closed sets is closed, an arbitrary intersection of closed sets is closed. DeMorgan's Law gives you the analogous statements for open sets.
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                  One last Question, does the set has be connected? for example:- [1,2]U[3,4] ... what can we say about this set?
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                  @MonkeyD.Luffy A finite union of closed sets is closed, an arbitrary intersection of closed sets is closed. DeMorgan's Law gives you the analogous statements for open sets.
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                  @MonkeyD.Luffy A finite union of closed sets is closed, an arbitrary intersection of closed sets is closed. DeMorgan's Law gives you the analogous statements for open sets.
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                  For a slightly more exotic example, the rationals, $mathbb{Q}$.



                  They are not open because any interval about a rational point $r$, $(r-epsilon,r+epsilon)$, contains an irrational point.



                  They are not closed because every irrational point is the limit of a sequence of rational points. If $s$ is irrational, consider the sequence $left{ dfrac{lfloor10^n srfloor}{10^n} right}.$






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                  • $mathbb Q$ is exotic?
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                  For a slightly more exotic example, the rationals, $mathbb{Q}$.



                  They are not open because any interval about a rational point $r$, $(r-epsilon,r+epsilon)$, contains an irrational point.



                  They are not closed because every irrational point is the limit of a sequence of rational points. If $s$ is irrational, consider the sequence $left{ dfrac{lfloor10^n srfloor}{10^n} right}.$






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                  • $mathbb Q$ is exotic?
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                  For a slightly more exotic example, the rationals, $mathbb{Q}$.



                  They are not open because any interval about a rational point $r$, $(r-epsilon,r+epsilon)$, contains an irrational point.



                  They are not closed because every irrational point is the limit of a sequence of rational points. If $s$ is irrational, consider the sequence $left{ dfrac{lfloor10^n srfloor}{10^n} right}.$






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                  For a slightly more exotic example, the rationals, $mathbb{Q}$.



                  They are not open because any interval about a rational point $r$, $(r-epsilon,r+epsilon)$, contains an irrational point.



                  They are not closed because every irrational point is the limit of a sequence of rational points. If $s$ is irrational, consider the sequence $left{ dfrac{lfloor10^n srfloor}{10^n} right}.$







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                  Let $A = {frac{1}{n} : n in mathbb{N}}$.



                  $A$ is not closed since $0$ is a limit point of $A$, but $0 notin A$.



                  $A$ is not open since every ball around any point contains a point in $mathbb{R} - A$.






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                    Let $A = {frac{1}{n} : n in mathbb{N}}$.



                    $A$ is not closed since $0$ is a limit point of $A$, but $0 notin A$.



                    $A$ is not open since every ball around any point contains a point in $mathbb{R} - A$.






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                      Let $A = {frac{1}{n} : n in mathbb{N}}$.



                      $A$ is not closed since $0$ is a limit point of $A$, but $0 notin A$.



                      $A$ is not open since every ball around any point contains a point in $mathbb{R} - A$.






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                      Let $A = {frac{1}{n} : n in mathbb{N}}$.



                      $A$ is not closed since $0$ is a limit point of $A$, but $0 notin A$.



                      $A$ is not open since every ball around any point contains a point in $mathbb{R} - A$.







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                          Take $mathbb{R}$ with the finite complement topology - that is, the open sets are exactly those with finite complement. Then $[0,1]$ is neither open nor closed. It is not open since $mathbb{R}setminus [0,1]=(-infty,0) cup (1,infty)$ is not finite, and it is not closed since its complement, $(-infty,0) cup (1,infty)$, is not open, as just demonstrated.






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                            Take $mathbb{R}$ with the finite complement topology - that is, the open sets are exactly those with finite complement. Then $[0,1]$ is neither open nor closed. It is not open since $mathbb{R}setminus [0,1]=(-infty,0) cup (1,infty)$ is not finite, and it is not closed since its complement, $(-infty,0) cup (1,infty)$, is not open, as just demonstrated.






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                              Take $mathbb{R}$ with the finite complement topology - that is, the open sets are exactly those with finite complement. Then $[0,1]$ is neither open nor closed. It is not open since $mathbb{R}setminus [0,1]=(-infty,0) cup (1,infty)$ is not finite, and it is not closed since its complement, $(-infty,0) cup (1,infty)$, is not open, as just demonstrated.






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                              Take $mathbb{R}$ with the finite complement topology - that is, the open sets are exactly those with finite complement. Then $[0,1]$ is neither open nor closed. It is not open since $mathbb{R}setminus [0,1]=(-infty,0) cup (1,infty)$ is not finite, and it is not closed since its complement, $(-infty,0) cup (1,infty)$, is not open, as just demonstrated.







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                                  The interval $left ( 0,1 right )$ as a subset of $mathbb{R}^{2}$, that is $left { left ( x,0 right ) in mathbb{R}^{2}: x in left ( 0,1 right )right }$ is neither open nor closed because none of its points are interior points and $left ( 1,0 right )$ is a limit point not in the set.






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                                    The interval $left ( 0,1 right )$ as a subset of $mathbb{R}^{2}$, that is $left { left ( x,0 right ) in mathbb{R}^{2}: x in left ( 0,1 right )right }$ is neither open nor closed because none of its points are interior points and $left ( 1,0 right )$ is a limit point not in the set.






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                                      The interval $left ( 0,1 right )$ as a subset of $mathbb{R}^{2}$, that is $left { left ( x,0 right ) in mathbb{R}^{2}: x in left ( 0,1 right )right }$ is neither open nor closed because none of its points are interior points and $left ( 1,0 right )$ is a limit point not in the set.






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                                      The interval $left ( 0,1 right )$ as a subset of $mathbb{R}^{2}$, that is $left { left ( x,0 right ) in mathbb{R}^{2}: x in left ( 0,1 right )right }$ is neither open nor closed because none of its points are interior points and $left ( 1,0 right )$ is a limit point not in the set.







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                                          The rational numbers $mathbb{Q}$ are neither open nor closed. Recall a subset S of a metric space X space is open if every point x in S has an $epsilon$-neighborhood $N_{epsilon}(x)$ that is a proper subset of S. And a set is closed if(and only if) its complement is open. So $forall (q in mathbb{Q},r in [mathbb{R} setminus mathbb{Q}], epsilon > 0, lambda > 0)$ , $N_{epsilon}(q) cap [mathbb{R} setminusmathbb{Q}]neq emptyset$ and $N_{lambda}(r) cap mathbb{Q} neq emptyset$. So $mathbb{Q}$ is not open since every $epsilon$-neighborhood or a rational number contains irrationals. But its complement $ [mathbb{R} setminusmathbb{Q}]$, the set of irrational numbers, is also not open since no $epsilon$-neighborhoods or irrationals contain exclusively irrationals. But the complement of the rationals is not open, so $mathbb{Q}$ cannot be closed either. Therefore, the set of rationals is neither open nor closed.



                                          Might I add: most of the previous examples are of sets that are both open and closed(like the half-open intervals of the real line [0,1) for example).






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                                            The rational numbers $mathbb{Q}$ are neither open nor closed. Recall a subset S of a metric space X space is open if every point x in S has an $epsilon$-neighborhood $N_{epsilon}(x)$ that is a proper subset of S. And a set is closed if(and only if) its complement is open. So $forall (q in mathbb{Q},r in [mathbb{R} setminus mathbb{Q}], epsilon > 0, lambda > 0)$ , $N_{epsilon}(q) cap [mathbb{R} setminusmathbb{Q}]neq emptyset$ and $N_{lambda}(r) cap mathbb{Q} neq emptyset$. So $mathbb{Q}$ is not open since every $epsilon$-neighborhood or a rational number contains irrationals. But its complement $ [mathbb{R} setminusmathbb{Q}]$, the set of irrational numbers, is also not open since no $epsilon$-neighborhoods or irrationals contain exclusively irrationals. But the complement of the rationals is not open, so $mathbb{Q}$ cannot be closed either. Therefore, the set of rationals is neither open nor closed.



                                            Might I add: most of the previous examples are of sets that are both open and closed(like the half-open intervals of the real line [0,1) for example).






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                                              The rational numbers $mathbb{Q}$ are neither open nor closed. Recall a subset S of a metric space X space is open if every point x in S has an $epsilon$-neighborhood $N_{epsilon}(x)$ that is a proper subset of S. And a set is closed if(and only if) its complement is open. So $forall (q in mathbb{Q},r in [mathbb{R} setminus mathbb{Q}], epsilon > 0, lambda > 0)$ , $N_{epsilon}(q) cap [mathbb{R} setminusmathbb{Q}]neq emptyset$ and $N_{lambda}(r) cap mathbb{Q} neq emptyset$. So $mathbb{Q}$ is not open since every $epsilon$-neighborhood or a rational number contains irrationals. But its complement $ [mathbb{R} setminusmathbb{Q}]$, the set of irrational numbers, is also not open since no $epsilon$-neighborhoods or irrationals contain exclusively irrationals. But the complement of the rationals is not open, so $mathbb{Q}$ cannot be closed either. Therefore, the set of rationals is neither open nor closed.



                                              Might I add: most of the previous examples are of sets that are both open and closed(like the half-open intervals of the real line [0,1) for example).






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                                              The rational numbers $mathbb{Q}$ are neither open nor closed. Recall a subset S of a metric space X space is open if every point x in S has an $epsilon$-neighborhood $N_{epsilon}(x)$ that is a proper subset of S. And a set is closed if(and only if) its complement is open. So $forall (q in mathbb{Q},r in [mathbb{R} setminus mathbb{Q}], epsilon > 0, lambda > 0)$ , $N_{epsilon}(q) cap [mathbb{R} setminusmathbb{Q}]neq emptyset$ and $N_{lambda}(r) cap mathbb{Q} neq emptyset$. So $mathbb{Q}$ is not open since every $epsilon$-neighborhood or a rational number contains irrationals. But its complement $ [mathbb{R} setminusmathbb{Q}]$, the set of irrational numbers, is also not open since no $epsilon$-neighborhoods or irrationals contain exclusively irrationals. But the complement of the rationals is not open, so $mathbb{Q}$ cannot be closed either. Therefore, the set of rationals is neither open nor closed.



                                              Might I add: most of the previous examples are of sets that are both open and closed(like the half-open intervals of the real line [0,1) for example).







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