Dimension of topological manifold and dimension of smooth manifold in Tu Manifolds
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In section 5.3, Tu says a "manifold" has dimension $n$ if all of its connected components have dimension n in Definition 5.9 below:
Back in Section 5.1, Tu says in Definition 5.2 that a topological manifold $M$ has dimension $n$ if $M$ is locally Euclidean of dimension $n$.
- In Definition 5.9, does the "manifold" in "manifold is said to have dimension n" refer to the pair $(M,mathfrak U)$ of a topological manifold and a maximal atlas instead of just the topological manifold $M$?
- If the answer to 1 is yes:
- If "connected components" refers to $(M,mathfrak U)$, then what are "connected components" of something that looks like "$(M,mathfrak U)$" ?
I think $mathfrak U$ will turn out to be to M as a topology $mathscr T$ is to a space $X$, so "connected components" depends on $mathfrak U$, in differential geometry as in $mathscr T$ in topology.
- If "connected components" refers to $M$, then our definition is
A manifold $(M,mathfrak U)$ has dimension $n$ if the connected components of the topological manifold $M$ are locally Euclidean of dimension $n$.
?
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- What is the relationship between $dim(M)$ and $dim(M,mathfrak U)$?
- If the answer to 1 is no:
- So then this is a proposition instead of a definition
A topological manifold $M$ is locally Euclidean of dimension $n$ if and only if its connected components are locally Euclidean of dimension $n$
?
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In section 5.3, Tu says a "manifold" has dimension $n$ if all of its connected components have dimension n in Definition 5.9 below:
Back in Section 5.1, Tu says in Definition 5.2 that a topological manifold $M$ has dimension $n$ if $M$ is locally Euclidean of dimension $n$.
- In Definition 5.9, does the "manifold" in "manifold is said to have dimension n" refer to the pair $(M,mathfrak U)$ of a topological manifold and a maximal atlas instead of just the topological manifold $M$?
- If the answer to 1 is yes:
- If "connected components" refers to $(M,mathfrak U)$, then what are "connected components" of something that looks like "$(M,mathfrak U)$" ?
I think $mathfrak U$ will turn out to be to M as a topology $mathscr T$ is to a space $X$, so "connected components" depends on $mathfrak U$, in differential geometry as in $mathscr T$ in topology.
- If "connected components" refers to $M$, then our definition is
A manifold $(M,mathfrak U)$ has dimension $n$ if the connected components of the topological manifold $M$ are locally Euclidean of dimension $n$.
?
$ $
- What is the relationship between $dim(M)$ and $dim(M,mathfrak U)$?
- If the answer to 1 is no:
- So then this is a proposition instead of a definition
A topological manifold $M$ is locally Euclidean of dimension $n$ if and only if its connected components are locally Euclidean of dimension $n$
?
general-topology differential-geometry algebraic-topology manifolds smooth-manifolds
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Tu Manifolds
In section 5.3, Tu says a "manifold" has dimension $n$ if all of its connected components have dimension n in Definition 5.9 below:
Back in Section 5.1, Tu says in Definition 5.2 that a topological manifold $M$ has dimension $n$ if $M$ is locally Euclidean of dimension $n$.
- In Definition 5.9, does the "manifold" in "manifold is said to have dimension n" refer to the pair $(M,mathfrak U)$ of a topological manifold and a maximal atlas instead of just the topological manifold $M$?
- If the answer to 1 is yes:
- If "connected components" refers to $(M,mathfrak U)$, then what are "connected components" of something that looks like "$(M,mathfrak U)$" ?
I think $mathfrak U$ will turn out to be to M as a topology $mathscr T$ is to a space $X$, so "connected components" depends on $mathfrak U$, in differential geometry as in $mathscr T$ in topology.
- If "connected components" refers to $M$, then our definition is
A manifold $(M,mathfrak U)$ has dimension $n$ if the connected components of the topological manifold $M$ are locally Euclidean of dimension $n$.
?
$ $
- What is the relationship between $dim(M)$ and $dim(M,mathfrak U)$?
- If the answer to 1 is no:
- So then this is a proposition instead of a definition
A topological manifold $M$ is locally Euclidean of dimension $n$ if and only if its connected components are locally Euclidean of dimension $n$
?
general-topology differential-geometry algebraic-topology manifolds smooth-manifolds
Tu Manifolds
In section 5.3, Tu says a "manifold" has dimension $n$ if all of its connected components have dimension n in Definition 5.9 below:
Back in Section 5.1, Tu says in Definition 5.2 that a topological manifold $M$ has dimension $n$ if $M$ is locally Euclidean of dimension $n$.
- In Definition 5.9, does the "manifold" in "manifold is said to have dimension n" refer to the pair $(M,mathfrak U)$ of a topological manifold and a maximal atlas instead of just the topological manifold $M$?
- If the answer to 1 is yes:
- If "connected components" refers to $(M,mathfrak U)$, then what are "connected components" of something that looks like "$(M,mathfrak U)$" ?
I think $mathfrak U$ will turn out to be to M as a topology $mathscr T$ is to a space $X$, so "connected components" depends on $mathfrak U$, in differential geometry as in $mathscr T$ in topology.
- If "connected components" refers to $M$, then our definition is
A manifold $(M,mathfrak U)$ has dimension $n$ if the connected components of the topological manifold $M$ are locally Euclidean of dimension $n$.
?
$ $
- What is the relationship between $dim(M)$ and $dim(M,mathfrak U)$?
- If the answer to 1 is no:
- So then this is a proposition instead of a definition
A topological manifold $M$ is locally Euclidean of dimension $n$ if and only if its connected components are locally Euclidean of dimension $n$
?
general-topology differential-geometry algebraic-topology manifolds smooth-manifolds
general-topology differential-geometry algebraic-topology manifolds smooth-manifolds
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Well, a manifold always comes with the structure of an atlas, but it is far from being a topology, for example, lets take the interval $[0,1)$ and consider the two atlases
$$[0,1] xrightarrow{iota} mathbb{R} quad textrm{ and } quad [0,1) xrightarrow{textrm{arctan}} mathbb{R} $$
where $iota$ is just the canonical inclusion. Then both of those make $[0,1)$ into a differentiable manifold, although they look "fairly" different (the second one makes it look like $mathbb{R}^+$). So yes, whenever someone says: a manifold $M$, they actually mean $(M',U)$, where $M'$ is a topological space $(M''.T)$ hence no: connectedness does not depend on the atlas! since this is encoded in the topology, that is provided with $M$. Hence since $M$ always means $(M,U)$ the relationship between both dimensions is literally: they are the same, just by definition.
Now you may also realize that, since your charts are homeomorphisms to $mathbb{R}^n$ and have to be compatible with intersections, one can see that the all charts on the same connected component have the same dimenion. or even better: the dimension at a point defines a continuous map $M to mathbb{N}$ and hence they have to agree on connected components.
I hope I answered and understood your problems correctly, if not, please tell me so!
So your answers are 1. Yes 2. N/A 3. Yes 4. They are equal. 5. N/A ?
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1 Answer
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Well, a manifold always comes with the structure of an atlas, but it is far from being a topology, for example, lets take the interval $[0,1)$ and consider the two atlases
$$[0,1] xrightarrow{iota} mathbb{R} quad textrm{ and } quad [0,1) xrightarrow{textrm{arctan}} mathbb{R} $$
where $iota$ is just the canonical inclusion. Then both of those make $[0,1)$ into a differentiable manifold, although they look "fairly" different (the second one makes it look like $mathbb{R}^+$). So yes, whenever someone says: a manifold $M$, they actually mean $(M',U)$, where $M'$ is a topological space $(M''.T)$ hence no: connectedness does not depend on the atlas! since this is encoded in the topology, that is provided with $M$. Hence since $M$ always means $(M,U)$ the relationship between both dimensions is literally: they are the same, just by definition.
Now you may also realize that, since your charts are homeomorphisms to $mathbb{R}^n$ and have to be compatible with intersections, one can see that the all charts on the same connected component have the same dimenion. or even better: the dimension at a point defines a continuous map $M to mathbb{N}$ and hence they have to agree on connected components.
I hope I answered and understood your problems correctly, if not, please tell me so!
So your answers are 1. Yes 2. N/A 3. Yes 4. They are equal. 5. N/A ?
– Jack Bauer
3 hours ago
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Well, a manifold always comes with the structure of an atlas, but it is far from being a topology, for example, lets take the interval $[0,1)$ and consider the two atlases
$$[0,1] xrightarrow{iota} mathbb{R} quad textrm{ and } quad [0,1) xrightarrow{textrm{arctan}} mathbb{R} $$
where $iota$ is just the canonical inclusion. Then both of those make $[0,1)$ into a differentiable manifold, although they look "fairly" different (the second one makes it look like $mathbb{R}^+$). So yes, whenever someone says: a manifold $M$, they actually mean $(M',U)$, where $M'$ is a topological space $(M''.T)$ hence no: connectedness does not depend on the atlas! since this is encoded in the topology, that is provided with $M$. Hence since $M$ always means $(M,U)$ the relationship between both dimensions is literally: they are the same, just by definition.
Now you may also realize that, since your charts are homeomorphisms to $mathbb{R}^n$ and have to be compatible with intersections, one can see that the all charts on the same connected component have the same dimenion. or even better: the dimension at a point defines a continuous map $M to mathbb{N}$ and hence they have to agree on connected components.
I hope I answered and understood your problems correctly, if not, please tell me so!
So your answers are 1. Yes 2. N/A 3. Yes 4. They are equal. 5. N/A ?
– Jack Bauer
3 hours ago
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Well, a manifold always comes with the structure of an atlas, but it is far from being a topology, for example, lets take the interval $[0,1)$ and consider the two atlases
$$[0,1] xrightarrow{iota} mathbb{R} quad textrm{ and } quad [0,1) xrightarrow{textrm{arctan}} mathbb{R} $$
where $iota$ is just the canonical inclusion. Then both of those make $[0,1)$ into a differentiable manifold, although they look "fairly" different (the second one makes it look like $mathbb{R}^+$). So yes, whenever someone says: a manifold $M$, they actually mean $(M',U)$, where $M'$ is a topological space $(M''.T)$ hence no: connectedness does not depend on the atlas! since this is encoded in the topology, that is provided with $M$. Hence since $M$ always means $(M,U)$ the relationship between both dimensions is literally: they are the same, just by definition.
Now you may also realize that, since your charts are homeomorphisms to $mathbb{R}^n$ and have to be compatible with intersections, one can see that the all charts on the same connected component have the same dimenion. or even better: the dimension at a point defines a continuous map $M to mathbb{N}$ and hence they have to agree on connected components.
I hope I answered and understood your problems correctly, if not, please tell me so!
Well, a manifold always comes with the structure of an atlas, but it is far from being a topology, for example, lets take the interval $[0,1)$ and consider the two atlases
$$[0,1] xrightarrow{iota} mathbb{R} quad textrm{ and } quad [0,1) xrightarrow{textrm{arctan}} mathbb{R} $$
where $iota$ is just the canonical inclusion. Then both of those make $[0,1)$ into a differentiable manifold, although they look "fairly" different (the second one makes it look like $mathbb{R}^+$). So yes, whenever someone says: a manifold $M$, they actually mean $(M',U)$, where $M'$ is a topological space $(M''.T)$ hence no: connectedness does not depend on the atlas! since this is encoded in the topology, that is provided with $M$. Hence since $M$ always means $(M,U)$ the relationship between both dimensions is literally: they are the same, just by definition.
Now you may also realize that, since your charts are homeomorphisms to $mathbb{R}^n$ and have to be compatible with intersections, one can see that the all charts on the same connected component have the same dimenion. or even better: the dimension at a point defines a continuous map $M to mathbb{N}$ and hence they have to agree on connected components.
I hope I answered and understood your problems correctly, if not, please tell me so!
answered Nov 22 at 8:59
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So your answers are 1. Yes 2. N/A 3. Yes 4. They are equal. 5. N/A ?
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So your answers are 1. Yes 2. N/A 3. Yes 4. They are equal. 5. N/A ?
– Jack Bauer
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So your answers are 1. Yes 2. N/A 3. Yes 4. They are equal. 5. N/A ?
– Jack Bauer
3 hours ago
So your answers are 1. Yes 2. N/A 3. Yes 4. They are equal. 5. N/A ?
– Jack Bauer
3 hours ago
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