Electrical isolation problems when routing between pads of SMT resistors/caps
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According to answers to this previous question, routing traces between the pads of SMD caps/resistors, as shown in the picture, is not dangerous as long as trace to pad clearances are obeyed and the possibility of crosstalk is accounted for.
That being said, this type of answer sounds incomplete to me: while the clearance between trace and pads may be ok, the via under the SMT component and bottom of the SMT component are separated only by a thin layer of solder mask, and it seems unsafe to rely on that kind of insulation. This source seems to agree (about solder mask being bad at insulating, not about the trace between pads question), and IPC-2221 also states something to that effect: "Complete reliance on coatings to maintain high surface resistance between conductors shall be avoided."
So, shouldn't one also consider the possibility of this insulation failing? Wouldn't that make this kind of design choice bad? Could I estimate how much voltage a SMT component can handle between its bottom and a trace underneath it?
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According to answers to this previous question, routing traces between the pads of SMD caps/resistors, as shown in the picture, is not dangerous as long as trace to pad clearances are obeyed and the possibility of crosstalk is accounted for.
That being said, this type of answer sounds incomplete to me: while the clearance between trace and pads may be ok, the via under the SMT component and bottom of the SMT component are separated only by a thin layer of solder mask, and it seems unsafe to rely on that kind of insulation. This source seems to agree (about solder mask being bad at insulating, not about the trace between pads question), and IPC-2221 also states something to that effect: "Complete reliance on coatings to maintain high surface resistance between conductors shall be avoided."
So, shouldn't one also consider the possibility of this insulation failing? Wouldn't that make this kind of design choice bad? Could I estimate how much voltage a SMT component can handle between its bottom and a trace underneath it?
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According to answers to this previous question, routing traces between the pads of SMD caps/resistors, as shown in the picture, is not dangerous as long as trace to pad clearances are obeyed and the possibility of crosstalk is accounted for.
That being said, this type of answer sounds incomplete to me: while the clearance between trace and pads may be ok, the via under the SMT component and bottom of the SMT component are separated only by a thin layer of solder mask, and it seems unsafe to rely on that kind of insulation. This source seems to agree (about solder mask being bad at insulating, not about the trace between pads question), and IPC-2221 also states something to that effect: "Complete reliance on coatings to maintain high surface resistance between conductors shall be avoided."
So, shouldn't one also consider the possibility of this insulation failing? Wouldn't that make this kind of design choice bad? Could I estimate how much voltage a SMT component can handle between its bottom and a trace underneath it?
surface-mount routing insulation clearance
According to answers to this previous question, routing traces between the pads of SMD caps/resistors, as shown in the picture, is not dangerous as long as trace to pad clearances are obeyed and the possibility of crosstalk is accounted for.
That being said, this type of answer sounds incomplete to me: while the clearance between trace and pads may be ok, the via under the SMT component and bottom of the SMT component are separated only by a thin layer of solder mask, and it seems unsafe to rely on that kind of insulation. This source seems to agree (about solder mask being bad at insulating, not about the trace between pads question), and IPC-2221 also states something to that effect: "Complete reliance on coatings to maintain high surface resistance between conductors shall be avoided."
So, shouldn't one also consider the possibility of this insulation failing? Wouldn't that make this kind of design choice bad? Could I estimate how much voltage a SMT component can handle between its bottom and a trace underneath it?
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Most, not all, SMT components have insulator on the bottom, between the end caps, so the solder mask is not actually acting as a critical insulator and even if it wasn't there the trace would not contact any conductor.
Of course, for manufacturability, it's generally better to have large clearances where possible, but there's nothing inherently wrong with running traces under parts so long as the design rules are satisfied.
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As with anything in engineering, it depends on your design parameters.
Ignoring the fact that most SMD components have insulation covering them, and that just 0.4mm of solid insulation are needed to sustain a field in excess of 1kV.
If that component is meant to straddle an isolation barrier (e.g., a 3kV Ethernet common-mode capacitor) then that would be a big no-no. It would definitively reduce the creepage distance, increasing risks, and fail some certifications. In some cases you would even go as far as routing the PCB under the component to increase creepage distances.
If that’s a component in a low-voltage PCB (<10V) for most designs this will not be an issue, particularly for digital designs.
If this is a component in an analog design, crosstalk and leakage considerations enter into play.
My company once designed a board for a full-custom multi-channel, high-impedance, low-noise analog ASIC. We sent a small 5-board batch for assembly, and expedited 2 for testing. The test boards worked perfectly, the remaining 3 all failed.
After researching the issue we found out that the 2 boards had been washed immediately after soldering (for flux removal) while the remaining 3 were left unwashed for 3 days. The leakage due to the flux residue was enough to cause a 3-fold noise increase, and this was just between the pins of a BGA package.
Routing like that, does not work for this design.
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I think clearance would depend on the part. Many passive Rs, Cs, etc. have thin metal bands for the end caps that would also tend to raise the body of the device away from the board, thus the design is not relying solely on the solder mask for isolation. I think you should review the parts on a case by case basis.
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Most, not all, SMT components have insulator on the bottom, between the end caps, so the solder mask is not actually acting as a critical insulator and even if it wasn't there the trace would not contact any conductor.
Of course, for manufacturability, it's generally better to have large clearances where possible, but there's nothing inherently wrong with running traces under parts so long as the design rules are satisfied.
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Most, not all, SMT components have insulator on the bottom, between the end caps, so the solder mask is not actually acting as a critical insulator and even if it wasn't there the trace would not contact any conductor.
Of course, for manufacturability, it's generally better to have large clearances where possible, but there's nothing inherently wrong with running traces under parts so long as the design rules are satisfied.
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Most, not all, SMT components have insulator on the bottom, between the end caps, so the solder mask is not actually acting as a critical insulator and even if it wasn't there the trace would not contact any conductor.
Of course, for manufacturability, it's generally better to have large clearances where possible, but there's nothing inherently wrong with running traces under parts so long as the design rules are satisfied.
Most, not all, SMT components have insulator on the bottom, between the end caps, so the solder mask is not actually acting as a critical insulator and even if it wasn't there the trace would not contact any conductor.
Of course, for manufacturability, it's generally better to have large clearances where possible, but there's nothing inherently wrong with running traces under parts so long as the design rules are satisfied.
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As with anything in engineering, it depends on your design parameters.
Ignoring the fact that most SMD components have insulation covering them, and that just 0.4mm of solid insulation are needed to sustain a field in excess of 1kV.
If that component is meant to straddle an isolation barrier (e.g., a 3kV Ethernet common-mode capacitor) then that would be a big no-no. It would definitively reduce the creepage distance, increasing risks, and fail some certifications. In some cases you would even go as far as routing the PCB under the component to increase creepage distances.
If that’s a component in a low-voltage PCB (<10V) for most designs this will not be an issue, particularly for digital designs.
If this is a component in an analog design, crosstalk and leakage considerations enter into play.
My company once designed a board for a full-custom multi-channel, high-impedance, low-noise analog ASIC. We sent a small 5-board batch for assembly, and expedited 2 for testing. The test boards worked perfectly, the remaining 3 all failed.
After researching the issue we found out that the 2 boards had been washed immediately after soldering (for flux removal) while the remaining 3 were left unwashed for 3 days. The leakage due to the flux residue was enough to cause a 3-fold noise increase, and this was just between the pins of a BGA package.
Routing like that, does not work for this design.
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As with anything in engineering, it depends on your design parameters.
Ignoring the fact that most SMD components have insulation covering them, and that just 0.4mm of solid insulation are needed to sustain a field in excess of 1kV.
If that component is meant to straddle an isolation barrier (e.g., a 3kV Ethernet common-mode capacitor) then that would be a big no-no. It would definitively reduce the creepage distance, increasing risks, and fail some certifications. In some cases you would even go as far as routing the PCB under the component to increase creepage distances.
If that’s a component in a low-voltage PCB (<10V) for most designs this will not be an issue, particularly for digital designs.
If this is a component in an analog design, crosstalk and leakage considerations enter into play.
My company once designed a board for a full-custom multi-channel, high-impedance, low-noise analog ASIC. We sent a small 5-board batch for assembly, and expedited 2 for testing. The test boards worked perfectly, the remaining 3 all failed.
After researching the issue we found out that the 2 boards had been washed immediately after soldering (for flux removal) while the remaining 3 were left unwashed for 3 days. The leakage due to the flux residue was enough to cause a 3-fold noise increase, and this was just between the pins of a BGA package.
Routing like that, does not work for this design.
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As with anything in engineering, it depends on your design parameters.
Ignoring the fact that most SMD components have insulation covering them, and that just 0.4mm of solid insulation are needed to sustain a field in excess of 1kV.
If that component is meant to straddle an isolation barrier (e.g., a 3kV Ethernet common-mode capacitor) then that would be a big no-no. It would definitively reduce the creepage distance, increasing risks, and fail some certifications. In some cases you would even go as far as routing the PCB under the component to increase creepage distances.
If that’s a component in a low-voltage PCB (<10V) for most designs this will not be an issue, particularly for digital designs.
If this is a component in an analog design, crosstalk and leakage considerations enter into play.
My company once designed a board for a full-custom multi-channel, high-impedance, low-noise analog ASIC. We sent a small 5-board batch for assembly, and expedited 2 for testing. The test boards worked perfectly, the remaining 3 all failed.
After researching the issue we found out that the 2 boards had been washed immediately after soldering (for flux removal) while the remaining 3 were left unwashed for 3 days. The leakage due to the flux residue was enough to cause a 3-fold noise increase, and this was just between the pins of a BGA package.
Routing like that, does not work for this design.
As with anything in engineering, it depends on your design parameters.
Ignoring the fact that most SMD components have insulation covering them, and that just 0.4mm of solid insulation are needed to sustain a field in excess of 1kV.
If that component is meant to straddle an isolation barrier (e.g., a 3kV Ethernet common-mode capacitor) then that would be a big no-no. It would definitively reduce the creepage distance, increasing risks, and fail some certifications. In some cases you would even go as far as routing the PCB under the component to increase creepage distances.
If that’s a component in a low-voltage PCB (<10V) for most designs this will not be an issue, particularly for digital designs.
If this is a component in an analog design, crosstalk and leakage considerations enter into play.
My company once designed a board for a full-custom multi-channel, high-impedance, low-noise analog ASIC. We sent a small 5-board batch for assembly, and expedited 2 for testing. The test boards worked perfectly, the remaining 3 all failed.
After researching the issue we found out that the 2 boards had been washed immediately after soldering (for flux removal) while the remaining 3 were left unwashed for 3 days. The leakage due to the flux residue was enough to cause a 3-fold noise increase, and this was just between the pins of a BGA package.
Routing like that, does not work for this design.
answered Nov 26 at 4:12
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I think clearance would depend on the part. Many passive Rs, Cs, etc. have thin metal bands for the end caps that would also tend to raise the body of the device away from the board, thus the design is not relying solely on the solder mask for isolation. I think you should review the parts on a case by case basis.
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I think clearance would depend on the part. Many passive Rs, Cs, etc. have thin metal bands for the end caps that would also tend to raise the body of the device away from the board, thus the design is not relying solely on the solder mask for isolation. I think you should review the parts on a case by case basis.
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I think clearance would depend on the part. Many passive Rs, Cs, etc. have thin metal bands for the end caps that would also tend to raise the body of the device away from the board, thus the design is not relying solely on the solder mask for isolation. I think you should review the parts on a case by case basis.
I think clearance would depend on the part. Many passive Rs, Cs, etc. have thin metal bands for the end caps that would also tend to raise the body of the device away from the board, thus the design is not relying solely on the solder mask for isolation. I think you should review the parts on a case by case basis.
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