In Newton's law of cooling ,how should i solve a problem which asks for temperature after given time?...
I have been trying to solve this problem:
A body initially at $100$ degrees Celsius cools to 60 degrees Celsius in $5$ minutes and to $40$ degrees Celsius in $10$ minutes.
What is the temperature of the surroundings?
What will be the temperature in $15$ minutes?
I was able to solve the first question without using any integration and stuff. Please help me with this problem.
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I have been trying to solve this problem:
A body initially at $100$ degrees Celsius cools to 60 degrees Celsius in $5$ minutes and to $40$ degrees Celsius in $10$ minutes.
What is the temperature of the surroundings?
What will be the temperature in $15$ minutes?
I was able to solve the first question without using any integration and stuff. Please help me with this problem.
differential-equations
closed as off-topic by amWhy, Brahadeesh, KReiser, Mostafa Ayaz, Vidyanshu Mishra Nov 30 at 8:21
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Could you show how you solved the first part, and what you tried for the second part?
– rafa11111
Nov 28 at 17:31
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Seconding @rafa11111 - please edit the question to do that, don't answer in a comment.
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I have been trying to solve this problem:
A body initially at $100$ degrees Celsius cools to 60 degrees Celsius in $5$ minutes and to $40$ degrees Celsius in $10$ minutes.
What is the temperature of the surroundings?
What will be the temperature in $15$ minutes?
I was able to solve the first question without using any integration and stuff. Please help me with this problem.
differential-equations
I have been trying to solve this problem:
A body initially at $100$ degrees Celsius cools to 60 degrees Celsius in $5$ minutes and to $40$ degrees Celsius in $10$ minutes.
What is the temperature of the surroundings?
What will be the temperature in $15$ minutes?
I was able to solve the first question without using any integration and stuff. Please help me with this problem.
differential-equations
differential-equations
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Could you show how you solved the first part, and what you tried for the second part?
– rafa11111
Nov 28 at 17:31
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Seconding @rafa11111 - please edit the question to do that, don't answer in a comment.
– Ethan Bolker
Nov 28 at 17:32
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Could you show how you solved the first part, and what you tried for the second part?
– rafa11111
Nov 28 at 17:31
3
Seconding @rafa11111 - please edit the question to do that, don't answer in a comment.
– Ethan Bolker
Nov 28 at 17:32
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Could you show how you solved the first part, and what you tried for the second part?
– rafa11111
Nov 28 at 17:31
Could you show how you solved the first part, and what you tried for the second part?
– rafa11111
Nov 28 at 17:31
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3
Seconding @rafa11111 - please edit the question to do that, don't answer in a comment.
– Ethan Bolker
Nov 28 at 17:32
Seconding @rafa11111 - please edit the question to do that, don't answer in a comment.
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Start with the differential equation:
$T' = - K(T-E)$
K and E are constants representing the rate of heat transfer and the temperature of the environment.
Heat is lost to the environment in proportion to the temperature differential.
Solve the differential equation and use the information given to find $K, E$
From there you will have an equation for T as a function of time.
This can be done without using "integration and stuff" but if you don't have the intuition, I suggest you do learn the "stuff."
Without the "stuff"
How much heat is lost to the environment in each 5 minute interval? How much will be lost in the next 5 minutes? It is all moving in constant proportions, and can be solved using partial sums of a geometric series.
UPDATE
$T' = - K(T-E)\
frac {T'}{T-E} = -K\
T(t) - E = Ae^{-Kt}\
T(0) = A + E = 100\
T(5) = Ae^{-5k} + E = 60\
T(10) = Ae^{-10k} + E = 40\
T(0)-T(5) = A(1-e^{-5k}) = 40\
T(5)-T(10) = A(e^{-5k}-e^{-10k}) = 20\
2A(e^{-5k}-e^{-10k}) = A(1-e^{-5k})\
2Ae^{-5K}(1-e^{-10k}) = A(1-e^{-5k})\
2e^{-5K} = 1\
e^{-5K} = frac 12$
$T(0)-T(5) = A(1-e^{-5k}) = 40\
frac 12 A = 40\
A = 80\
A + E = 100\
E = 20$
$T(15) = 80e^{-15Kt} + 20\
80(frac 18) + 20\
30$
The intuitive approach.
Every 5 minutes the body loses half of the excess heat.
It lost 20 degrees between minute 5 and minute 10
It will loose 10 degrees between minute 10 and minute 5.
And at the limit.
$100 - 40 - 20 - 10 - 5 - frac {5}{2} cdots = 100-80 = 20 = E$
i am confused,could you solve few lines,please? and you can use integration too if the solution is easy that way,i know the stuff.
– Super MaxLv4
Nov 29 at 14:12
@SuperMaxLv4 does this help?
– Doug M
Nov 29 at 17:19
yes,thanks alot,i really appreciate that you elaborated it in such a nice and clear way.
– Super MaxLv4
Nov 30 at 2:20
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1 Answer
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Start with the differential equation:
$T' = - K(T-E)$
K and E are constants representing the rate of heat transfer and the temperature of the environment.
Heat is lost to the environment in proportion to the temperature differential.
Solve the differential equation and use the information given to find $K, E$
From there you will have an equation for T as a function of time.
This can be done without using "integration and stuff" but if you don't have the intuition, I suggest you do learn the "stuff."
Without the "stuff"
How much heat is lost to the environment in each 5 minute interval? How much will be lost in the next 5 minutes? It is all moving in constant proportions, and can be solved using partial sums of a geometric series.
UPDATE
$T' = - K(T-E)\
frac {T'}{T-E} = -K\
T(t) - E = Ae^{-Kt}\
T(0) = A + E = 100\
T(5) = Ae^{-5k} + E = 60\
T(10) = Ae^{-10k} + E = 40\
T(0)-T(5) = A(1-e^{-5k}) = 40\
T(5)-T(10) = A(e^{-5k}-e^{-10k}) = 20\
2A(e^{-5k}-e^{-10k}) = A(1-e^{-5k})\
2Ae^{-5K}(1-e^{-10k}) = A(1-e^{-5k})\
2e^{-5K} = 1\
e^{-5K} = frac 12$
$T(0)-T(5) = A(1-e^{-5k}) = 40\
frac 12 A = 40\
A = 80\
A + E = 100\
E = 20$
$T(15) = 80e^{-15Kt} + 20\
80(frac 18) + 20\
30$
The intuitive approach.
Every 5 minutes the body loses half of the excess heat.
It lost 20 degrees between minute 5 and minute 10
It will loose 10 degrees between minute 10 and minute 5.
And at the limit.
$100 - 40 - 20 - 10 - 5 - frac {5}{2} cdots = 100-80 = 20 = E$
i am confused,could you solve few lines,please? and you can use integration too if the solution is easy that way,i know the stuff.
– Super MaxLv4
Nov 29 at 14:12
@SuperMaxLv4 does this help?
– Doug M
Nov 29 at 17:19
yes,thanks alot,i really appreciate that you elaborated it in such a nice and clear way.
– Super MaxLv4
Nov 30 at 2:20
add a comment |
Start with the differential equation:
$T' = - K(T-E)$
K and E are constants representing the rate of heat transfer and the temperature of the environment.
Heat is lost to the environment in proportion to the temperature differential.
Solve the differential equation and use the information given to find $K, E$
From there you will have an equation for T as a function of time.
This can be done without using "integration and stuff" but if you don't have the intuition, I suggest you do learn the "stuff."
Without the "stuff"
How much heat is lost to the environment in each 5 minute interval? How much will be lost in the next 5 minutes? It is all moving in constant proportions, and can be solved using partial sums of a geometric series.
UPDATE
$T' = - K(T-E)\
frac {T'}{T-E} = -K\
T(t) - E = Ae^{-Kt}\
T(0) = A + E = 100\
T(5) = Ae^{-5k} + E = 60\
T(10) = Ae^{-10k} + E = 40\
T(0)-T(5) = A(1-e^{-5k}) = 40\
T(5)-T(10) = A(e^{-5k}-e^{-10k}) = 20\
2A(e^{-5k}-e^{-10k}) = A(1-e^{-5k})\
2Ae^{-5K}(1-e^{-10k}) = A(1-e^{-5k})\
2e^{-5K} = 1\
e^{-5K} = frac 12$
$T(0)-T(5) = A(1-e^{-5k}) = 40\
frac 12 A = 40\
A = 80\
A + E = 100\
E = 20$
$T(15) = 80e^{-15Kt} + 20\
80(frac 18) + 20\
30$
The intuitive approach.
Every 5 minutes the body loses half of the excess heat.
It lost 20 degrees between minute 5 and minute 10
It will loose 10 degrees between minute 10 and minute 5.
And at the limit.
$100 - 40 - 20 - 10 - 5 - frac {5}{2} cdots = 100-80 = 20 = E$
i am confused,could you solve few lines,please? and you can use integration too if the solution is easy that way,i know the stuff.
– Super MaxLv4
Nov 29 at 14:12
@SuperMaxLv4 does this help?
– Doug M
Nov 29 at 17:19
yes,thanks alot,i really appreciate that you elaborated it in such a nice and clear way.
– Super MaxLv4
Nov 30 at 2:20
add a comment |
Start with the differential equation:
$T' = - K(T-E)$
K and E are constants representing the rate of heat transfer and the temperature of the environment.
Heat is lost to the environment in proportion to the temperature differential.
Solve the differential equation and use the information given to find $K, E$
From there you will have an equation for T as a function of time.
This can be done without using "integration and stuff" but if you don't have the intuition, I suggest you do learn the "stuff."
Without the "stuff"
How much heat is lost to the environment in each 5 minute interval? How much will be lost in the next 5 minutes? It is all moving in constant proportions, and can be solved using partial sums of a geometric series.
UPDATE
$T' = - K(T-E)\
frac {T'}{T-E} = -K\
T(t) - E = Ae^{-Kt}\
T(0) = A + E = 100\
T(5) = Ae^{-5k} + E = 60\
T(10) = Ae^{-10k} + E = 40\
T(0)-T(5) = A(1-e^{-5k}) = 40\
T(5)-T(10) = A(e^{-5k}-e^{-10k}) = 20\
2A(e^{-5k}-e^{-10k}) = A(1-e^{-5k})\
2Ae^{-5K}(1-e^{-10k}) = A(1-e^{-5k})\
2e^{-5K} = 1\
e^{-5K} = frac 12$
$T(0)-T(5) = A(1-e^{-5k}) = 40\
frac 12 A = 40\
A = 80\
A + E = 100\
E = 20$
$T(15) = 80e^{-15Kt} + 20\
80(frac 18) + 20\
30$
The intuitive approach.
Every 5 minutes the body loses half of the excess heat.
It lost 20 degrees between minute 5 and minute 10
It will loose 10 degrees between minute 10 and minute 5.
And at the limit.
$100 - 40 - 20 - 10 - 5 - frac {5}{2} cdots = 100-80 = 20 = E$
Start with the differential equation:
$T' = - K(T-E)$
K and E are constants representing the rate of heat transfer and the temperature of the environment.
Heat is lost to the environment in proportion to the temperature differential.
Solve the differential equation and use the information given to find $K, E$
From there you will have an equation for T as a function of time.
This can be done without using "integration and stuff" but if you don't have the intuition, I suggest you do learn the "stuff."
Without the "stuff"
How much heat is lost to the environment in each 5 minute interval? How much will be lost in the next 5 minutes? It is all moving in constant proportions, and can be solved using partial sums of a geometric series.
UPDATE
$T' = - K(T-E)\
frac {T'}{T-E} = -K\
T(t) - E = Ae^{-Kt}\
T(0) = A + E = 100\
T(5) = Ae^{-5k} + E = 60\
T(10) = Ae^{-10k} + E = 40\
T(0)-T(5) = A(1-e^{-5k}) = 40\
T(5)-T(10) = A(e^{-5k}-e^{-10k}) = 20\
2A(e^{-5k}-e^{-10k}) = A(1-e^{-5k})\
2Ae^{-5K}(1-e^{-10k}) = A(1-e^{-5k})\
2e^{-5K} = 1\
e^{-5K} = frac 12$
$T(0)-T(5) = A(1-e^{-5k}) = 40\
frac 12 A = 40\
A = 80\
A + E = 100\
E = 20$
$T(15) = 80e^{-15Kt} + 20\
80(frac 18) + 20\
30$
The intuitive approach.
Every 5 minutes the body loses half of the excess heat.
It lost 20 degrees between minute 5 and minute 10
It will loose 10 degrees between minute 10 and minute 5.
And at the limit.
$100 - 40 - 20 - 10 - 5 - frac {5}{2} cdots = 100-80 = 20 = E$
edited Nov 30 at 2:24
answered Nov 28 at 17:34
Doug M
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i am confused,could you solve few lines,please? and you can use integration too if the solution is easy that way,i know the stuff.
– Super MaxLv4
Nov 29 at 14:12
@SuperMaxLv4 does this help?
– Doug M
Nov 29 at 17:19
yes,thanks alot,i really appreciate that you elaborated it in such a nice and clear way.
– Super MaxLv4
Nov 30 at 2:20
add a comment |
i am confused,could you solve few lines,please? and you can use integration too if the solution is easy that way,i know the stuff.
– Super MaxLv4
Nov 29 at 14:12
@SuperMaxLv4 does this help?
– Doug M
Nov 29 at 17:19
yes,thanks alot,i really appreciate that you elaborated it in such a nice and clear way.
– Super MaxLv4
Nov 30 at 2:20
i am confused,could you solve few lines,please? and you can use integration too if the solution is easy that way,i know the stuff.
– Super MaxLv4
Nov 29 at 14:12
i am confused,could you solve few lines,please? and you can use integration too if the solution is easy that way,i know the stuff.
– Super MaxLv4
Nov 29 at 14:12
@SuperMaxLv4 does this help?
– Doug M
Nov 29 at 17:19
@SuperMaxLv4 does this help?
– Doug M
Nov 29 at 17:19
yes,thanks alot,i really appreciate that you elaborated it in such a nice and clear way.
– Super MaxLv4
Nov 30 at 2:20
yes,thanks alot,i really appreciate that you elaborated it in such a nice and clear way.
– Super MaxLv4
Nov 30 at 2:20
add a comment |
3
Could you show how you solved the first part, and what you tried for the second part?
– rafa11111
Nov 28 at 17:31
3
Seconding @rafa11111 - please edit the question to do that, don't answer in a comment.
– Ethan Bolker
Nov 28 at 17:32