Why do I keep getting this incorrect solution when trying to find all the real solutions for $sqrt{2x-3}...
$begingroup$
The problem is to find all real solutions (if any exists) for $sqrt{2x-3} +x=3$.
Now, my textbook says the answer is {2}, however, I keep getting {2, 6}. I've tried multiple approaches, but here is one of them:
I got rid of the root by squaring both sides,
$$sqrt{2x-3}^2=(3-x)^2$$
$$0=12-8x+x^2$$
Using the AC method, I got
$$(-x^2+6x)(2x-12)=0$$
$$-x(x-6)2(x-6)=0$$
$$(-x+2)(x-6)=0$$
hence, $$x=2, x=6$$
Of course, I can always just check my solutions and I'd immediately recognize 6 does not work. But that's a bit too tedious for my taste. Can anyone explain where I went wrong with my approach?
algebra-precalculus
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
The problem is to find all real solutions (if any exists) for $sqrt{2x-3} +x=3$.
Now, my textbook says the answer is {2}, however, I keep getting {2, 6}. I've tried multiple approaches, but here is one of them:
I got rid of the root by squaring both sides,
$$sqrt{2x-3}^2=(3-x)^2$$
$$0=12-8x+x^2$$
Using the AC method, I got
$$(-x^2+6x)(2x-12)=0$$
$$-x(x-6)2(x-6)=0$$
$$(-x+2)(x-6)=0$$
hence, $$x=2, x=6$$
Of course, I can always just check my solutions and I'd immediately recognize 6 does not work. But that's a bit too tedious for my taste. Can anyone explain where I went wrong with my approach?
algebra-precalculus
$endgroup$
2
$begingroup$
Small typo: $sqrt{2x-2}^2$ should read $sqrt{2x-3}^2$.
$endgroup$
– T. Fo
Dec 29 '18 at 5:52
8
$begingroup$
Possible duplicate of Why do extraneous solutions exist? or When do we get extraneous roots?
$endgroup$
– Carmeister
Dec 29 '18 at 8:09
$begingroup$
The simplest way to "debug" such things is to check the solutions at each step, then you can (usually) find out the first wrong step.
$endgroup$
– user202729
Dec 29 '18 at 9:07
2
$begingroup$
It's not duplicate of course.
$endgroup$
– Michael Rozenberg
Dec 30 '18 at 19:04
add a comment |
$begingroup$
The problem is to find all real solutions (if any exists) for $sqrt{2x-3} +x=3$.
Now, my textbook says the answer is {2}, however, I keep getting {2, 6}. I've tried multiple approaches, but here is one of them:
I got rid of the root by squaring both sides,
$$sqrt{2x-3}^2=(3-x)^2$$
$$0=12-8x+x^2$$
Using the AC method, I got
$$(-x^2+6x)(2x-12)=0$$
$$-x(x-6)2(x-6)=0$$
$$(-x+2)(x-6)=0$$
hence, $$x=2, x=6$$
Of course, I can always just check my solutions and I'd immediately recognize 6 does not work. But that's a bit too tedious for my taste. Can anyone explain where I went wrong with my approach?
algebra-precalculus
$endgroup$
The problem is to find all real solutions (if any exists) for $sqrt{2x-3} +x=3$.
Now, my textbook says the answer is {2}, however, I keep getting {2, 6}. I've tried multiple approaches, but here is one of them:
I got rid of the root by squaring both sides,
$$sqrt{2x-3}^2=(3-x)^2$$
$$0=12-8x+x^2$$
Using the AC method, I got
$$(-x^2+6x)(2x-12)=0$$
$$-x(x-6)2(x-6)=0$$
$$(-x+2)(x-6)=0$$
hence, $$x=2, x=6$$
Of course, I can always just check my solutions and I'd immediately recognize 6 does not work. But that's a bit too tedious for my taste. Can anyone explain where I went wrong with my approach?
algebra-precalculus
algebra-precalculus
edited Dec 29 '18 at 12:01
Asaf Karagila♦
306k33438769
306k33438769
asked Dec 29 '18 at 5:45
Lex_iLex_i
727
727
2
$begingroup$
Small typo: $sqrt{2x-2}^2$ should read $sqrt{2x-3}^2$.
$endgroup$
– T. Fo
Dec 29 '18 at 5:52
8
$begingroup$
Possible duplicate of Why do extraneous solutions exist? or When do we get extraneous roots?
$endgroup$
– Carmeister
Dec 29 '18 at 8:09
$begingroup$
The simplest way to "debug" such things is to check the solutions at each step, then you can (usually) find out the first wrong step.
$endgroup$
– user202729
Dec 29 '18 at 9:07
2
$begingroup$
It's not duplicate of course.
$endgroup$
– Michael Rozenberg
Dec 30 '18 at 19:04
add a comment |
2
$begingroup$
Small typo: $sqrt{2x-2}^2$ should read $sqrt{2x-3}^2$.
$endgroup$
– T. Fo
Dec 29 '18 at 5:52
8
$begingroup$
Possible duplicate of Why do extraneous solutions exist? or When do we get extraneous roots?
$endgroup$
– Carmeister
Dec 29 '18 at 8:09
$begingroup$
The simplest way to "debug" such things is to check the solutions at each step, then you can (usually) find out the first wrong step.
$endgroup$
– user202729
Dec 29 '18 at 9:07
2
$begingroup$
It's not duplicate of course.
$endgroup$
– Michael Rozenberg
Dec 30 '18 at 19:04
2
2
$begingroup$
Small typo: $sqrt{2x-2}^2$ should read $sqrt{2x-3}^2$.
$endgroup$
– T. Fo
Dec 29 '18 at 5:52
$begingroup$
Small typo: $sqrt{2x-2}^2$ should read $sqrt{2x-3}^2$.
$endgroup$
– T. Fo
Dec 29 '18 at 5:52
8
8
$begingroup$
Possible duplicate of Why do extraneous solutions exist? or When do we get extraneous roots?
$endgroup$
– Carmeister
Dec 29 '18 at 8:09
$begingroup$
Possible duplicate of Why do extraneous solutions exist? or When do we get extraneous roots?
$endgroup$
– Carmeister
Dec 29 '18 at 8:09
$begingroup$
The simplest way to "debug" such things is to check the solutions at each step, then you can (usually) find out the first wrong step.
$endgroup$
– user202729
Dec 29 '18 at 9:07
$begingroup$
The simplest way to "debug" such things is to check the solutions at each step, then you can (usually) find out the first wrong step.
$endgroup$
– user202729
Dec 29 '18 at 9:07
2
2
$begingroup$
It's not duplicate of course.
$endgroup$
– Michael Rozenberg
Dec 30 '18 at 19:04
$begingroup$
It's not duplicate of course.
$endgroup$
– Michael Rozenberg
Dec 30 '18 at 19:04
add a comment |
6 Answers
6
active
oldest
votes
$begingroup$
Because squaring both sides of an equation always introduces the “risk” of an extraneous solution.
As a very simple example, notice the following two equations:
$$x = sqrt 4 iff x = +2$$
$$x^2 = 4 iff vert xvert = 2 iff x = pm 2$$
The first equation has only one solution: $+sqrt 4$. The second, however, has two solutions: $pmsqrt 4$. And you get the second equation by squaring the first one.
The exact same idea applies to your example. You have
$$sqrt{2x-3} = 3-x$$
which refers only to the non-negative square root of $2x-3$. So, if a solution makes the LHS negative, it is extraneous. But, when you square both sides, you’re actually solving
$$0 = 12-8x+x^2 iff color{blue}{pm}sqrt{2x-3} = 3-x$$
which has a $pm$ sign and is therefore not the same equation. Now, to be precise, you’d have to add the condition that the LHS must be non-negative:
$$2x-3 = 9-6x+x^2; quad color{blue}{x leq 3}$$
$$0 = 12-8x+x^2; quad color{blue}{x leq 3}$$
Now, your equation is equivalent to the first with the given constraint. If you get any solution greater than $3$, (in this case, $6$), you’d know it satisfies the new equation but not the original one.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
Maybe it would be a little bit more correct to say that the RHS should be non-negative, since the LHS must be non-negative. There is no way to make the LHS negative.
$endgroup$
– Kai
Dec 29 '18 at 22:47
add a comment |
$begingroup$
When we square both sides, we could have introduce additional solution.
An extreme example is as follows:
Solve $x=1$.
The solution is just $x=1$.
However, if we square them, $x^2=1$. Now $x=-1$ also satisfies the new equation which is no longer the original problem.
Remark: Note that as we write $$sqrt{2x-3}=3-x,$$
there is an implicit constraint that we need $3-x ge 0$.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
The initial question is actually:
If $x$ exists, then it satisfies $sqrt{2x-3}+x=3$. What is $x$?
With each logically sound algebraic step, the initial question is rephrased, eventually leading to:
If $x$ exists, then it satisfies $x = 2text{ or } x= 6$. What is $x$?
Unfortunately, we still have done nothing to prove x exists. If all the logical steps are if and only if , or reversible, then we are done. We could 'let $x = 2$ or $x = 6$' and follow the logic backwards to demonstrate that x is a solution to the original equation. Unfortunately, as noted on other answers, squaring is not a reversible step; the square root function is not the same as the inverse of the square function. We can see this by noting that the square function takes positive and negative numbers and maps them to positive numbers. Meanwhile, the square root function takes positive numbers only and maps them to positive numbers only.
All this is a long way of saying that the alternative to checking answers is understanding which algebraic steps are reversible and which are not. In practice, its easier to just check your answers every time.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
To build off of the other answers provided, the equation you wish to solve is
$$sqrt{2x-3} = 3-x$$
To do so, you square both sides, and solve
$$2x-3 = (3-x)^2$$
which has two solutions. However this equation can also be obtained by squaring
$$-sqrt{2x-3} = 3-x$$
The second solution is the solution to this second equation. This is easy to see with a plot:
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Your reasoning is a chain of implications: if $x_0$ is a solution, then..., then $x_0$ should be $cdot$ or $cdot$. As you do not have equivalences instead of implications at each step, the final potential $x$s are only a superset of solutions, that should be plugged into the original problem, to see if they fit.
A change in variables can show some additional insights. To get rid of the root, you can choose a positive $y$ such that $y^2 = 2x-3$, and thus $ 2x-3=sqrt{y}$.
You can rewrite your equation as:
$$y+(y^2+3)/2 = 3$$
or
$$2y+y^2 = 3$$
This system has at most two solutions $y_a$ and $y_b$: an obvious solution is real, satisfying $2times 1+1^2=3$, or $y_a=1$, which yields $x=2$. Since $y_atimes y_b = -3$, the second solution would be negative, which is ruled out by hypothesis.
So $x=2$ is the only solution.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Squaring both sides of an equation can introduce extraneous solutions. For instance, $x=-2$ isn't a solution of $x=2$; but it is a solution of $x^2=4$.
Thus it is necessary when doing so to check your answer.
Notice:$$sqrt{2cdot 6-3}+6=9neq3$$.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
Your Answer
StackExchange.ifUsing("editor", function () {
return StackExchange.using("mathjaxEditing", function () {
StackExchange.MarkdownEditor.creationCallbacks.add(function (editor, postfix) {
StackExchange.mathjaxEditing.prepareWmdForMathJax(editor, postfix, [["$", "$"], ["\\(","\\)"]]);
});
});
}, "mathjax-editing");
StackExchange.ready(function() {
var channelOptions = {
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "69"
};
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);
StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function() {
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled) {
StackExchange.using("snippets", function() {
createEditor();
});
}
else {
createEditor();
}
});
function createEditor() {
StackExchange.prepareEditor({
heartbeatType: 'answer',
autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
convertImagesToLinks: true,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: 10,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader: {
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
},
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
});
}
});
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f3055574%2fwhy-do-i-keep-getting-this-incorrect-solution-when-trying-to-find-all-the-real-s%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
6 Answers
6
active
oldest
votes
6 Answers
6
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
$begingroup$
Because squaring both sides of an equation always introduces the “risk” of an extraneous solution.
As a very simple example, notice the following two equations:
$$x = sqrt 4 iff x = +2$$
$$x^2 = 4 iff vert xvert = 2 iff x = pm 2$$
The first equation has only one solution: $+sqrt 4$. The second, however, has two solutions: $pmsqrt 4$. And you get the second equation by squaring the first one.
The exact same idea applies to your example. You have
$$sqrt{2x-3} = 3-x$$
which refers only to the non-negative square root of $2x-3$. So, if a solution makes the LHS negative, it is extraneous. But, when you square both sides, you’re actually solving
$$0 = 12-8x+x^2 iff color{blue}{pm}sqrt{2x-3} = 3-x$$
which has a $pm$ sign and is therefore not the same equation. Now, to be precise, you’d have to add the condition that the LHS must be non-negative:
$$2x-3 = 9-6x+x^2; quad color{blue}{x leq 3}$$
$$0 = 12-8x+x^2; quad color{blue}{x leq 3}$$
Now, your equation is equivalent to the first with the given constraint. If you get any solution greater than $3$, (in this case, $6$), you’d know it satisfies the new equation but not the original one.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
Maybe it would be a little bit more correct to say that the RHS should be non-negative, since the LHS must be non-negative. There is no way to make the LHS negative.
$endgroup$
– Kai
Dec 29 '18 at 22:47
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Because squaring both sides of an equation always introduces the “risk” of an extraneous solution.
As a very simple example, notice the following two equations:
$$x = sqrt 4 iff x = +2$$
$$x^2 = 4 iff vert xvert = 2 iff x = pm 2$$
The first equation has only one solution: $+sqrt 4$. The second, however, has two solutions: $pmsqrt 4$. And you get the second equation by squaring the first one.
The exact same idea applies to your example. You have
$$sqrt{2x-3} = 3-x$$
which refers only to the non-negative square root of $2x-3$. So, if a solution makes the LHS negative, it is extraneous. But, when you square both sides, you’re actually solving
$$0 = 12-8x+x^2 iff color{blue}{pm}sqrt{2x-3} = 3-x$$
which has a $pm$ sign and is therefore not the same equation. Now, to be precise, you’d have to add the condition that the LHS must be non-negative:
$$2x-3 = 9-6x+x^2; quad color{blue}{x leq 3}$$
$$0 = 12-8x+x^2; quad color{blue}{x leq 3}$$
Now, your equation is equivalent to the first with the given constraint. If you get any solution greater than $3$, (in this case, $6$), you’d know it satisfies the new equation but not the original one.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
Maybe it would be a little bit more correct to say that the RHS should be non-negative, since the LHS must be non-negative. There is no way to make the LHS negative.
$endgroup$
– Kai
Dec 29 '18 at 22:47
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Because squaring both sides of an equation always introduces the “risk” of an extraneous solution.
As a very simple example, notice the following two equations:
$$x = sqrt 4 iff x = +2$$
$$x^2 = 4 iff vert xvert = 2 iff x = pm 2$$
The first equation has only one solution: $+sqrt 4$. The second, however, has two solutions: $pmsqrt 4$. And you get the second equation by squaring the first one.
The exact same idea applies to your example. You have
$$sqrt{2x-3} = 3-x$$
which refers only to the non-negative square root of $2x-3$. So, if a solution makes the LHS negative, it is extraneous. But, when you square both sides, you’re actually solving
$$0 = 12-8x+x^2 iff color{blue}{pm}sqrt{2x-3} = 3-x$$
which has a $pm$ sign and is therefore not the same equation. Now, to be precise, you’d have to add the condition that the LHS must be non-negative:
$$2x-3 = 9-6x+x^2; quad color{blue}{x leq 3}$$
$$0 = 12-8x+x^2; quad color{blue}{x leq 3}$$
Now, your equation is equivalent to the first with the given constraint. If you get any solution greater than $3$, (in this case, $6$), you’d know it satisfies the new equation but not the original one.
$endgroup$
Because squaring both sides of an equation always introduces the “risk” of an extraneous solution.
As a very simple example, notice the following two equations:
$$x = sqrt 4 iff x = +2$$
$$x^2 = 4 iff vert xvert = 2 iff x = pm 2$$
The first equation has only one solution: $+sqrt 4$. The second, however, has two solutions: $pmsqrt 4$. And you get the second equation by squaring the first one.
The exact same idea applies to your example. You have
$$sqrt{2x-3} = 3-x$$
which refers only to the non-negative square root of $2x-3$. So, if a solution makes the LHS negative, it is extraneous. But, when you square both sides, you’re actually solving
$$0 = 12-8x+x^2 iff color{blue}{pm}sqrt{2x-3} = 3-x$$
which has a $pm$ sign and is therefore not the same equation. Now, to be precise, you’d have to add the condition that the LHS must be non-negative:
$$2x-3 = 9-6x+x^2; quad color{blue}{x leq 3}$$
$$0 = 12-8x+x^2; quad color{blue}{x leq 3}$$
Now, your equation is equivalent to the first with the given constraint. If you get any solution greater than $3$, (in this case, $6$), you’d know it satisfies the new equation but not the original one.
edited Dec 29 '18 at 6:15
answered Dec 29 '18 at 6:02
KM101KM101
6,0901525
6,0901525
$begingroup$
Maybe it would be a little bit more correct to say that the RHS should be non-negative, since the LHS must be non-negative. There is no way to make the LHS negative.
$endgroup$
– Kai
Dec 29 '18 at 22:47
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Maybe it would be a little bit more correct to say that the RHS should be non-negative, since the LHS must be non-negative. There is no way to make the LHS negative.
$endgroup$
– Kai
Dec 29 '18 at 22:47
$begingroup$
Maybe it would be a little bit more correct to say that the RHS should be non-negative, since the LHS must be non-negative. There is no way to make the LHS negative.
$endgroup$
– Kai
Dec 29 '18 at 22:47
$begingroup$
Maybe it would be a little bit more correct to say that the RHS should be non-negative, since the LHS must be non-negative. There is no way to make the LHS negative.
$endgroup$
– Kai
Dec 29 '18 at 22:47
add a comment |
$begingroup$
When we square both sides, we could have introduce additional solution.
An extreme example is as follows:
Solve $x=1$.
The solution is just $x=1$.
However, if we square them, $x^2=1$. Now $x=-1$ also satisfies the new equation which is no longer the original problem.
Remark: Note that as we write $$sqrt{2x-3}=3-x,$$
there is an implicit constraint that we need $3-x ge 0$.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
When we square both sides, we could have introduce additional solution.
An extreme example is as follows:
Solve $x=1$.
The solution is just $x=1$.
However, if we square them, $x^2=1$. Now $x=-1$ also satisfies the new equation which is no longer the original problem.
Remark: Note that as we write $$sqrt{2x-3}=3-x,$$
there is an implicit constraint that we need $3-x ge 0$.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
When we square both sides, we could have introduce additional solution.
An extreme example is as follows:
Solve $x=1$.
The solution is just $x=1$.
However, if we square them, $x^2=1$. Now $x=-1$ also satisfies the new equation which is no longer the original problem.
Remark: Note that as we write $$sqrt{2x-3}=3-x,$$
there is an implicit constraint that we need $3-x ge 0$.
$endgroup$
When we square both sides, we could have introduce additional solution.
An extreme example is as follows:
Solve $x=1$.
The solution is just $x=1$.
However, if we square them, $x^2=1$. Now $x=-1$ also satisfies the new equation which is no longer the original problem.
Remark: Note that as we write $$sqrt{2x-3}=3-x,$$
there is an implicit constraint that we need $3-x ge 0$.
answered Dec 29 '18 at 5:49
Siong Thye GohSiong Thye Goh
103k1468119
103k1468119
add a comment |
add a comment |
$begingroup$
The initial question is actually:
If $x$ exists, then it satisfies $sqrt{2x-3}+x=3$. What is $x$?
With each logically sound algebraic step, the initial question is rephrased, eventually leading to:
If $x$ exists, then it satisfies $x = 2text{ or } x= 6$. What is $x$?
Unfortunately, we still have done nothing to prove x exists. If all the logical steps are if and only if , or reversible, then we are done. We could 'let $x = 2$ or $x = 6$' and follow the logic backwards to demonstrate that x is a solution to the original equation. Unfortunately, as noted on other answers, squaring is not a reversible step; the square root function is not the same as the inverse of the square function. We can see this by noting that the square function takes positive and negative numbers and maps them to positive numbers. Meanwhile, the square root function takes positive numbers only and maps them to positive numbers only.
All this is a long way of saying that the alternative to checking answers is understanding which algebraic steps are reversible and which are not. In practice, its easier to just check your answers every time.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
The initial question is actually:
If $x$ exists, then it satisfies $sqrt{2x-3}+x=3$. What is $x$?
With each logically sound algebraic step, the initial question is rephrased, eventually leading to:
If $x$ exists, then it satisfies $x = 2text{ or } x= 6$. What is $x$?
Unfortunately, we still have done nothing to prove x exists. If all the logical steps are if and only if , or reversible, then we are done. We could 'let $x = 2$ or $x = 6$' and follow the logic backwards to demonstrate that x is a solution to the original equation. Unfortunately, as noted on other answers, squaring is not a reversible step; the square root function is not the same as the inverse of the square function. We can see this by noting that the square function takes positive and negative numbers and maps them to positive numbers. Meanwhile, the square root function takes positive numbers only and maps them to positive numbers only.
All this is a long way of saying that the alternative to checking answers is understanding which algebraic steps are reversible and which are not. In practice, its easier to just check your answers every time.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
The initial question is actually:
If $x$ exists, then it satisfies $sqrt{2x-3}+x=3$. What is $x$?
With each logically sound algebraic step, the initial question is rephrased, eventually leading to:
If $x$ exists, then it satisfies $x = 2text{ or } x= 6$. What is $x$?
Unfortunately, we still have done nothing to prove x exists. If all the logical steps are if and only if , or reversible, then we are done. We could 'let $x = 2$ or $x = 6$' and follow the logic backwards to demonstrate that x is a solution to the original equation. Unfortunately, as noted on other answers, squaring is not a reversible step; the square root function is not the same as the inverse of the square function. We can see this by noting that the square function takes positive and negative numbers and maps them to positive numbers. Meanwhile, the square root function takes positive numbers only and maps them to positive numbers only.
All this is a long way of saying that the alternative to checking answers is understanding which algebraic steps are reversible and which are not. In practice, its easier to just check your answers every time.
$endgroup$
The initial question is actually:
If $x$ exists, then it satisfies $sqrt{2x-3}+x=3$. What is $x$?
With each logically sound algebraic step, the initial question is rephrased, eventually leading to:
If $x$ exists, then it satisfies $x = 2text{ or } x= 6$. What is $x$?
Unfortunately, we still have done nothing to prove x exists. If all the logical steps are if and only if , or reversible, then we are done. We could 'let $x = 2$ or $x = 6$' and follow the logic backwards to demonstrate that x is a solution to the original equation. Unfortunately, as noted on other answers, squaring is not a reversible step; the square root function is not the same as the inverse of the square function. We can see this by noting that the square function takes positive and negative numbers and maps them to positive numbers. Meanwhile, the square root function takes positive numbers only and maps them to positive numbers only.
All this is a long way of saying that the alternative to checking answers is understanding which algebraic steps are reversible and which are not. In practice, its easier to just check your answers every time.
edited Dec 29 '18 at 22:34
answered Dec 29 '18 at 6:23
David DiazDavid Diaz
1,039420
1,039420
add a comment |
add a comment |
$begingroup$
To build off of the other answers provided, the equation you wish to solve is
$$sqrt{2x-3} = 3-x$$
To do so, you square both sides, and solve
$$2x-3 = (3-x)^2$$
which has two solutions. However this equation can also be obtained by squaring
$$-sqrt{2x-3} = 3-x$$
The second solution is the solution to this second equation. This is easy to see with a plot:
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
To build off of the other answers provided, the equation you wish to solve is
$$sqrt{2x-3} = 3-x$$
To do so, you square both sides, and solve
$$2x-3 = (3-x)^2$$
which has two solutions. However this equation can also be obtained by squaring
$$-sqrt{2x-3} = 3-x$$
The second solution is the solution to this second equation. This is easy to see with a plot:
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
To build off of the other answers provided, the equation you wish to solve is
$$sqrt{2x-3} = 3-x$$
To do so, you square both sides, and solve
$$2x-3 = (3-x)^2$$
which has two solutions. However this equation can also be obtained by squaring
$$-sqrt{2x-3} = 3-x$$
The second solution is the solution to this second equation. This is easy to see with a plot:
$endgroup$
To build off of the other answers provided, the equation you wish to solve is
$$sqrt{2x-3} = 3-x$$
To do so, you square both sides, and solve
$$2x-3 = (3-x)^2$$
which has two solutions. However this equation can also be obtained by squaring
$$-sqrt{2x-3} = 3-x$$
The second solution is the solution to this second equation. This is easy to see with a plot:
edited Dec 29 '18 at 8:32
answered Dec 29 '18 at 8:21
KaiKai
24326
24326
add a comment |
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Your reasoning is a chain of implications: if $x_0$ is a solution, then..., then $x_0$ should be $cdot$ or $cdot$. As you do not have equivalences instead of implications at each step, the final potential $x$s are only a superset of solutions, that should be plugged into the original problem, to see if they fit.
A change in variables can show some additional insights. To get rid of the root, you can choose a positive $y$ such that $y^2 = 2x-3$, and thus $ 2x-3=sqrt{y}$.
You can rewrite your equation as:
$$y+(y^2+3)/2 = 3$$
or
$$2y+y^2 = 3$$
This system has at most two solutions $y_a$ and $y_b$: an obvious solution is real, satisfying $2times 1+1^2=3$, or $y_a=1$, which yields $x=2$. Since $y_atimes y_b = -3$, the second solution would be negative, which is ruled out by hypothesis.
So $x=2$ is the only solution.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Your reasoning is a chain of implications: if $x_0$ is a solution, then..., then $x_0$ should be $cdot$ or $cdot$. As you do not have equivalences instead of implications at each step, the final potential $x$s are only a superset of solutions, that should be plugged into the original problem, to see if they fit.
A change in variables can show some additional insights. To get rid of the root, you can choose a positive $y$ such that $y^2 = 2x-3$, and thus $ 2x-3=sqrt{y}$.
You can rewrite your equation as:
$$y+(y^2+3)/2 = 3$$
or
$$2y+y^2 = 3$$
This system has at most two solutions $y_a$ and $y_b$: an obvious solution is real, satisfying $2times 1+1^2=3$, or $y_a=1$, which yields $x=2$. Since $y_atimes y_b = -3$, the second solution would be negative, which is ruled out by hypothesis.
So $x=2$ is the only solution.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Your reasoning is a chain of implications: if $x_0$ is a solution, then..., then $x_0$ should be $cdot$ or $cdot$. As you do not have equivalences instead of implications at each step, the final potential $x$s are only a superset of solutions, that should be plugged into the original problem, to see if they fit.
A change in variables can show some additional insights. To get rid of the root, you can choose a positive $y$ such that $y^2 = 2x-3$, and thus $ 2x-3=sqrt{y}$.
You can rewrite your equation as:
$$y+(y^2+3)/2 = 3$$
or
$$2y+y^2 = 3$$
This system has at most two solutions $y_a$ and $y_b$: an obvious solution is real, satisfying $2times 1+1^2=3$, or $y_a=1$, which yields $x=2$. Since $y_atimes y_b = -3$, the second solution would be negative, which is ruled out by hypothesis.
So $x=2$ is the only solution.
$endgroup$
Your reasoning is a chain of implications: if $x_0$ is a solution, then..., then $x_0$ should be $cdot$ or $cdot$. As you do not have equivalences instead of implications at each step, the final potential $x$s are only a superset of solutions, that should be plugged into the original problem, to see if they fit.
A change in variables can show some additional insights. To get rid of the root, you can choose a positive $y$ such that $y^2 = 2x-3$, and thus $ 2x-3=sqrt{y}$.
You can rewrite your equation as:
$$y+(y^2+3)/2 = 3$$
or
$$2y+y^2 = 3$$
This system has at most two solutions $y_a$ and $y_b$: an obvious solution is real, satisfying $2times 1+1^2=3$, or $y_a=1$, which yields $x=2$. Since $y_atimes y_b = -3$, the second solution would be negative, which is ruled out by hypothesis.
So $x=2$ is the only solution.
answered Dec 30 '18 at 21:48
Laurent DuvalLaurent Duval
5,37311240
5,37311240
add a comment |
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Squaring both sides of an equation can introduce extraneous solutions. For instance, $x=-2$ isn't a solution of $x=2$; but it is a solution of $x^2=4$.
Thus it is necessary when doing so to check your answer.
Notice:$$sqrt{2cdot 6-3}+6=9neq3$$.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Squaring both sides of an equation can introduce extraneous solutions. For instance, $x=-2$ isn't a solution of $x=2$; but it is a solution of $x^2=4$.
Thus it is necessary when doing so to check your answer.
Notice:$$sqrt{2cdot 6-3}+6=9neq3$$.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Squaring both sides of an equation can introduce extraneous solutions. For instance, $x=-2$ isn't a solution of $x=2$; but it is a solution of $x^2=4$.
Thus it is necessary when doing so to check your answer.
Notice:$$sqrt{2cdot 6-3}+6=9neq3$$.
$endgroup$
Squaring both sides of an equation can introduce extraneous solutions. For instance, $x=-2$ isn't a solution of $x=2$; but it is a solution of $x^2=4$.
Thus it is necessary when doing so to check your answer.
Notice:$$sqrt{2cdot 6-3}+6=9neq3$$.
edited Jan 3 at 4:24
answered Dec 29 '18 at 5:57
Chris CusterChris Custer
14.2k3827
14.2k3827
add a comment |
add a comment |
Thanks for contributing an answer to Mathematics Stack Exchange!
- Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!
But avoid …
- Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.
- Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.
Use MathJax to format equations. MathJax reference.
To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f3055574%2fwhy-do-i-keep-getting-this-incorrect-solution-when-trying-to-find-all-the-real-s%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
2
$begingroup$
Small typo: $sqrt{2x-2}^2$ should read $sqrt{2x-3}^2$.
$endgroup$
– T. Fo
Dec 29 '18 at 5:52
8
$begingroup$
Possible duplicate of Why do extraneous solutions exist? or When do we get extraneous roots?
$endgroup$
– Carmeister
Dec 29 '18 at 8:09
$begingroup$
The simplest way to "debug" such things is to check the solutions at each step, then you can (usually) find out the first wrong step.
$endgroup$
– user202729
Dec 29 '18 at 9:07
2
$begingroup$
It's not duplicate of course.
$endgroup$
– Michael Rozenberg
Dec 30 '18 at 19:04