exponential equation has non positive roots
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Find real values of $a$ for which the equation
$4^x-(a-3)cdot 2^x+(a+4)=0$
has non positive roots
Try: Let $2^x=yin (0,1].$ Then equation convert into
$y^2-(a-3)y+(a+4)=0$
For real roots its discriminant $geq 0$
So $$(a-3)^2-4(a+4)geq 0$$
$$a^2-10a-7geq 0$$
$$ain bigg(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}bigg]cup bigg[5+4sqrt{2},inftybigg).$$
but answer is different from that , i did not know where i
am missing. could some help me to solve it. thanks
calculus
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Find real values of $a$ for which the equation
$4^x-(a-3)cdot 2^x+(a+4)=0$
has non positive roots
Try: Let $2^x=yin (0,1].$ Then equation convert into
$y^2-(a-3)y+(a+4)=0$
For real roots its discriminant $geq 0$
So $$(a-3)^2-4(a+4)geq 0$$
$$a^2-10a-7geq 0$$
$$ain bigg(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}bigg]cup bigg[5+4sqrt{2},inftybigg).$$
but answer is different from that , i did not know where i
am missing. could some help me to solve it. thanks
calculus
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Maybe include the answer you are exspecting instead of only stating "but answer is different form" hence right now we do not no either where you made your mistake.
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– mrtaurho
Dec 21 '18 at 15:20
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So you have real roots for $y$. But are they non-positive?
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– Andrei
Dec 21 '18 at 15:22
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Does the discriminant $ge 0$ ensures $yin(0,1]$?
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– A.Γ.
Dec 21 '18 at 15:23
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@ A.Γ. how can i calculate it. please explain me. thanks
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– DXT
Dec 21 '18 at 15:24
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Find real values of $a$ for which the equation
$4^x-(a-3)cdot 2^x+(a+4)=0$
has non positive roots
Try: Let $2^x=yin (0,1].$ Then equation convert into
$y^2-(a-3)y+(a+4)=0$
For real roots its discriminant $geq 0$
So $$(a-3)^2-4(a+4)geq 0$$
$$a^2-10a-7geq 0$$
$$ain bigg(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}bigg]cup bigg[5+4sqrt{2},inftybigg).$$
but answer is different from that , i did not know where i
am missing. could some help me to solve it. thanks
calculus
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Find real values of $a$ for which the equation
$4^x-(a-3)cdot 2^x+(a+4)=0$
has non positive roots
Try: Let $2^x=yin (0,1].$ Then equation convert into
$y^2-(a-3)y+(a+4)=0$
For real roots its discriminant $geq 0$
So $$(a-3)^2-4(a+4)geq 0$$
$$a^2-10a-7geq 0$$
$$ain bigg(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}bigg]cup bigg[5+4sqrt{2},inftybigg).$$
but answer is different from that , i did not know where i
am missing. could some help me to solve it. thanks
calculus
calculus
asked Dec 21 '18 at 15:15
DXTDXT
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5,9222731
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Maybe include the answer you are exspecting instead of only stating "but answer is different form" hence right now we do not no either where you made your mistake.
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– mrtaurho
Dec 21 '18 at 15:20
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So you have real roots for $y$. But are they non-positive?
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– Andrei
Dec 21 '18 at 15:22
2
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Does the discriminant $ge 0$ ensures $yin(0,1]$?
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– A.Γ.
Dec 21 '18 at 15:23
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@ A.Γ. how can i calculate it. please explain me. thanks
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– DXT
Dec 21 '18 at 15:24
add a comment |
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Maybe include the answer you are exspecting instead of only stating "but answer is different form" hence right now we do not no either where you made your mistake.
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– mrtaurho
Dec 21 '18 at 15:20
1
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So you have real roots for $y$. But are they non-positive?
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– Andrei
Dec 21 '18 at 15:22
2
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Does the discriminant $ge 0$ ensures $yin(0,1]$?
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– A.Γ.
Dec 21 '18 at 15:23
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@ A.Γ. how can i calculate it. please explain me. thanks
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– DXT
Dec 21 '18 at 15:24
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Maybe include the answer you are exspecting instead of only stating "but answer is different form" hence right now we do not no either where you made your mistake.
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– mrtaurho
Dec 21 '18 at 15:20
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Maybe include the answer you are exspecting instead of only stating "but answer is different form" hence right now we do not no either where you made your mistake.
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– mrtaurho
Dec 21 '18 at 15:20
1
1
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So you have real roots for $y$. But are they non-positive?
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– Andrei
Dec 21 '18 at 15:22
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So you have real roots for $y$. But are they non-positive?
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– Andrei
Dec 21 '18 at 15:22
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2
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Does the discriminant $ge 0$ ensures $yin(0,1]$?
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– A.Γ.
Dec 21 '18 at 15:23
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Does the discriminant $ge 0$ ensures $yin(0,1]$?
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– A.Γ.
Dec 21 '18 at 15:23
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@ A.Γ. how can i calculate it. please explain me. thanks
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– DXT
Dec 21 '18 at 15:24
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@ A.Γ. how can i calculate it. please explain me. thanks
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Rewrite the equation as
$$
a=frac{4^x+3cdot 2^x+4}{2^x-1}
$$
and plot the function $a(x)$. From the plot you can see the values of $a$ that correspond to $x<0$.
You can change $y=2^x$ to simplify drawing, but then you will need to neglect negative $y$ as they do not correspond to real values of $x$.
Differentiate to get two critical points $y=1pm 2sqrt{2}$ among which only $1+2sqrt{2}$ is positive, then study intervals of monotonicity and asymptotics. The answer is $a<-4$.
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Hint:
your equation has non positive roots if $0<2^x<1$, so, with your substitution, the condition becomes $0<y<1$, for the equation $y^2-(a-3)y+(a+4)=0$
Can you do from this?
If $y_1,y_2$are the solutions we have :
$
y_1+y_2=a-3 qquad ,qquad y_1y_2=a+4
$
and we want:
$$
begin{cases}
0<a-3<2\
0<a+4<1
end{cases}
$$
but: $a+4<1 Rightarrow a<-3$ and $a-3>0 Rightarrow a>3$
so it is impossible to have $0<y_1<1$ and $0<y_2<1$
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From $a+4<1$ we have $a<-3$, but from $a-3>0$ we have also $a>3$, so.....
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– Emilio Novati
Dec 21 '18 at 15:42
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I add something to may answer. I hope it's useful :)
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– Emilio Novati
Dec 21 '18 at 15:55
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Non-positive roots requires $x le 0$, so $0 < 2^x le 1$.
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– Paul Sinclair
Dec 21 '18 at 17:52
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You want $f(y) = y^2 - (a-3) y + (a+4)$ to have at least one root in $(0,1]$.
Note that $f(0) = a+4$ and $f(1) = 8$, while the minimum value of $f(y)$, occurring at
$y = (a-3)/2$, is $(-a^2 + 10 a + 7)/4$. There are several cases to consider.
- If $a < -4$, $f(0) < 0 < f(1)$ so there is a root in $(0,1]$.
- For $a = -4$, $f(y) = y^2 + 7 y$ so the roots $0$ and $-7$ are not in $(0,1]$.
- For $a > -4$, $f(0) > 0$ and $f(1) > 0$ so the only way to have a root in $(0,1]$ would be if the minimum occurs between $0$ and $1$ and the minimum value $le 0$. The
minimum is at $(a-3)/2$, so this requires $a in (3,5]$. But for $a$ in this interval,
$-a^2 + 10 a + 7 > 0$.
So the answer is $a < -4$.
Alternative method:
For given $y$, $f(y) = 0$ for $a = A(y) = 4 + y + 8/(y-1)$. Thus you want the set of values $A(y)$ for $0 < y < 1$ (of course $A(1)$ is undefined).
$A'(y) = dfrac{y^2 - y - 7}{(y-1)^2} < 0$ in this interval, so $A$ is a decreasing function of $y$, with $A(y) to -infty$ as $y to 1-$. Thus the answer is $(-infty, A(0)) = (-infty, -4)$.
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Not only the equation in $y$ must have real roots, but these roots have to be $le 1$, since it's asked that the equation in $x$ has non-positive roots, so that $y=2^xle 2^0=1$.
To test whether the roots are less than $1$, we can place $1$ w.r.t. the roots $y_1,y_2$ of $;p(y)=y^2-(a-3)y+a+4$. The standard method is to determine the sign of $p(1)=8>0$. Therefore $1$ does not separate the roots of $p(y)$, and $1$ is either less than or greater than both of them. Furthermore, the half-sum of the roots is $;frac{a-3}2$ by Vieta's relations, so that
$$y_1, y_2 le 1iff frac{y_1+y_2}2=frac{a-3}2 le 1iff ale 5. $$
So the solution is
$$ain Bigl{Bigl(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}Bigr]cup Bigl[5+4sqrt{2},inftyBigr)Bigr}cap (-infty,5]=Bigl(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}Bigr].$$
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There must be some error in your computations. The interval is $a<-4$.
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– egreg
Dec 21 '18 at 18:07
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@egreg: That's quite possible – I computed directly on screen. Further it's not clear to me whether the O.P. wants both roots non-positive or at least $1$. I'll check that.
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– Bernard
Dec 21 '18 at 18:42
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Rewrite the equation as
$$
a=frac{4^x+3cdot 2^x+4}{2^x-1}
$$
and plot the function $a(x)$. From the plot you can see the values of $a$ that correspond to $x<0$.
You can change $y=2^x$ to simplify drawing, but then you will need to neglect negative $y$ as they do not correspond to real values of $x$.
Differentiate to get two critical points $y=1pm 2sqrt{2}$ among which only $1+2sqrt{2}$ is positive, then study intervals of monotonicity and asymptotics. The answer is $a<-4$.
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Rewrite the equation as
$$
a=frac{4^x+3cdot 2^x+4}{2^x-1}
$$
and plot the function $a(x)$. From the plot you can see the values of $a$ that correspond to $x<0$.
You can change $y=2^x$ to simplify drawing, but then you will need to neglect negative $y$ as they do not correspond to real values of $x$.
Differentiate to get two critical points $y=1pm 2sqrt{2}$ among which only $1+2sqrt{2}$ is positive, then study intervals of monotonicity and asymptotics. The answer is $a<-4$.
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add a comment |
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Rewrite the equation as
$$
a=frac{4^x+3cdot 2^x+4}{2^x-1}
$$
and plot the function $a(x)$. From the plot you can see the values of $a$ that correspond to $x<0$.
You can change $y=2^x$ to simplify drawing, but then you will need to neglect negative $y$ as they do not correspond to real values of $x$.
Differentiate to get two critical points $y=1pm 2sqrt{2}$ among which only $1+2sqrt{2}$ is positive, then study intervals of monotonicity and asymptotics. The answer is $a<-4$.
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Rewrite the equation as
$$
a=frac{4^x+3cdot 2^x+4}{2^x-1}
$$
and plot the function $a(x)$. From the plot you can see the values of $a$ that correspond to $x<0$.
You can change $y=2^x$ to simplify drawing, but then you will need to neglect negative $y$ as they do not correspond to real values of $x$.
Differentiate to get two critical points $y=1pm 2sqrt{2}$ among which only $1+2sqrt{2}$ is positive, then study intervals of monotonicity and asymptotics. The answer is $a<-4$.
edited Dec 21 '18 at 17:22
answered Dec 21 '18 at 15:30
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Hint:
your equation has non positive roots if $0<2^x<1$, so, with your substitution, the condition becomes $0<y<1$, for the equation $y^2-(a-3)y+(a+4)=0$
Can you do from this?
If $y_1,y_2$are the solutions we have :
$
y_1+y_2=a-3 qquad ,qquad y_1y_2=a+4
$
and we want:
$$
begin{cases}
0<a-3<2\
0<a+4<1
end{cases}
$$
but: $a+4<1 Rightarrow a<-3$ and $a-3>0 Rightarrow a>3$
so it is impossible to have $0<y_1<1$ and $0<y_2<1$
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From $a+4<1$ we have $a<-3$, but from $a-3>0$ we have also $a>3$, so.....
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– Emilio Novati
Dec 21 '18 at 15:42
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I add something to may answer. I hope it's useful :)
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– Emilio Novati
Dec 21 '18 at 15:55
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Non-positive roots requires $x le 0$, so $0 < 2^x le 1$.
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– Paul Sinclair
Dec 21 '18 at 17:52
add a comment |
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Hint:
your equation has non positive roots if $0<2^x<1$, so, with your substitution, the condition becomes $0<y<1$, for the equation $y^2-(a-3)y+(a+4)=0$
Can you do from this?
If $y_1,y_2$are the solutions we have :
$
y_1+y_2=a-3 qquad ,qquad y_1y_2=a+4
$
and we want:
$$
begin{cases}
0<a-3<2\
0<a+4<1
end{cases}
$$
but: $a+4<1 Rightarrow a<-3$ and $a-3>0 Rightarrow a>3$
so it is impossible to have $0<y_1<1$ and $0<y_2<1$
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From $a+4<1$ we have $a<-3$, but from $a-3>0$ we have also $a>3$, so.....
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– Emilio Novati
Dec 21 '18 at 15:42
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I add something to may answer. I hope it's useful :)
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– Emilio Novati
Dec 21 '18 at 15:55
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Non-positive roots requires $x le 0$, so $0 < 2^x le 1$.
$endgroup$
– Paul Sinclair
Dec 21 '18 at 17:52
add a comment |
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Hint:
your equation has non positive roots if $0<2^x<1$, so, with your substitution, the condition becomes $0<y<1$, for the equation $y^2-(a-3)y+(a+4)=0$
Can you do from this?
If $y_1,y_2$are the solutions we have :
$
y_1+y_2=a-3 qquad ,qquad y_1y_2=a+4
$
and we want:
$$
begin{cases}
0<a-3<2\
0<a+4<1
end{cases}
$$
but: $a+4<1 Rightarrow a<-3$ and $a-3>0 Rightarrow a>3$
so it is impossible to have $0<y_1<1$ and $0<y_2<1$
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Hint:
your equation has non positive roots if $0<2^x<1$, so, with your substitution, the condition becomes $0<y<1$, for the equation $y^2-(a-3)y+(a+4)=0$
Can you do from this?
If $y_1,y_2$are the solutions we have :
$
y_1+y_2=a-3 qquad ,qquad y_1y_2=a+4
$
and we want:
$$
begin{cases}
0<a-3<2\
0<a+4<1
end{cases}
$$
but: $a+4<1 Rightarrow a<-3$ and $a-3>0 Rightarrow a>3$
so it is impossible to have $0<y_1<1$ and $0<y_2<1$
edited Dec 21 '18 at 16:03
answered Dec 21 '18 at 15:29
Emilio NovatiEmilio Novati
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52.1k43474
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From $a+4<1$ we have $a<-3$, but from $a-3>0$ we have also $a>3$, so.....
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– Emilio Novati
Dec 21 '18 at 15:42
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I add something to may answer. I hope it's useful :)
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– Emilio Novati
Dec 21 '18 at 15:55
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Non-positive roots requires $x le 0$, so $0 < 2^x le 1$.
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– Paul Sinclair
Dec 21 '18 at 17:52
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From $a+4<1$ we have $a<-3$, but from $a-3>0$ we have also $a>3$, so.....
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– Emilio Novati
Dec 21 '18 at 15:42
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I add something to may answer. I hope it's useful :)
$endgroup$
– Emilio Novati
Dec 21 '18 at 15:55
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Non-positive roots requires $x le 0$, so $0 < 2^x le 1$.
$endgroup$
– Paul Sinclair
Dec 21 '18 at 17:52
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From $a+4<1$ we have $a<-3$, but from $a-3>0$ we have also $a>3$, so.....
$endgroup$
– Emilio Novati
Dec 21 '18 at 15:42
$begingroup$
From $a+4<1$ we have $a<-3$, but from $a-3>0$ we have also $a>3$, so.....
$endgroup$
– Emilio Novati
Dec 21 '18 at 15:42
$begingroup$
I add something to may answer. I hope it's useful :)
$endgroup$
– Emilio Novati
Dec 21 '18 at 15:55
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I add something to may answer. I hope it's useful :)
$endgroup$
– Emilio Novati
Dec 21 '18 at 15:55
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Non-positive roots requires $x le 0$, so $0 < 2^x le 1$.
$endgroup$
– Paul Sinclair
Dec 21 '18 at 17:52
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Non-positive roots requires $x le 0$, so $0 < 2^x le 1$.
$endgroup$
– Paul Sinclair
Dec 21 '18 at 17:52
add a comment |
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You want $f(y) = y^2 - (a-3) y + (a+4)$ to have at least one root in $(0,1]$.
Note that $f(0) = a+4$ and $f(1) = 8$, while the minimum value of $f(y)$, occurring at
$y = (a-3)/2$, is $(-a^2 + 10 a + 7)/4$. There are several cases to consider.
- If $a < -4$, $f(0) < 0 < f(1)$ so there is a root in $(0,1]$.
- For $a = -4$, $f(y) = y^2 + 7 y$ so the roots $0$ and $-7$ are not in $(0,1]$.
- For $a > -4$, $f(0) > 0$ and $f(1) > 0$ so the only way to have a root in $(0,1]$ would be if the minimum occurs between $0$ and $1$ and the minimum value $le 0$. The
minimum is at $(a-3)/2$, so this requires $a in (3,5]$. But for $a$ in this interval,
$-a^2 + 10 a + 7 > 0$.
So the answer is $a < -4$.
Alternative method:
For given $y$, $f(y) = 0$ for $a = A(y) = 4 + y + 8/(y-1)$. Thus you want the set of values $A(y)$ for $0 < y < 1$ (of course $A(1)$ is undefined).
$A'(y) = dfrac{y^2 - y - 7}{(y-1)^2} < 0$ in this interval, so $A$ is a decreasing function of $y$, with $A(y) to -infty$ as $y to 1-$. Thus the answer is $(-infty, A(0)) = (-infty, -4)$.
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You want $f(y) = y^2 - (a-3) y + (a+4)$ to have at least one root in $(0,1]$.
Note that $f(0) = a+4$ and $f(1) = 8$, while the minimum value of $f(y)$, occurring at
$y = (a-3)/2$, is $(-a^2 + 10 a + 7)/4$. There are several cases to consider.
- If $a < -4$, $f(0) < 0 < f(1)$ so there is a root in $(0,1]$.
- For $a = -4$, $f(y) = y^2 + 7 y$ so the roots $0$ and $-7$ are not in $(0,1]$.
- For $a > -4$, $f(0) > 0$ and $f(1) > 0$ so the only way to have a root in $(0,1]$ would be if the minimum occurs between $0$ and $1$ and the minimum value $le 0$. The
minimum is at $(a-3)/2$, so this requires $a in (3,5]$. But for $a$ in this interval,
$-a^2 + 10 a + 7 > 0$.
So the answer is $a < -4$.
Alternative method:
For given $y$, $f(y) = 0$ for $a = A(y) = 4 + y + 8/(y-1)$. Thus you want the set of values $A(y)$ for $0 < y < 1$ (of course $A(1)$ is undefined).
$A'(y) = dfrac{y^2 - y - 7}{(y-1)^2} < 0$ in this interval, so $A$ is a decreasing function of $y$, with $A(y) to -infty$ as $y to 1-$. Thus the answer is $(-infty, A(0)) = (-infty, -4)$.
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$begingroup$
You want $f(y) = y^2 - (a-3) y + (a+4)$ to have at least one root in $(0,1]$.
Note that $f(0) = a+4$ and $f(1) = 8$, while the minimum value of $f(y)$, occurring at
$y = (a-3)/2$, is $(-a^2 + 10 a + 7)/4$. There are several cases to consider.
- If $a < -4$, $f(0) < 0 < f(1)$ so there is a root in $(0,1]$.
- For $a = -4$, $f(y) = y^2 + 7 y$ so the roots $0$ and $-7$ are not in $(0,1]$.
- For $a > -4$, $f(0) > 0$ and $f(1) > 0$ so the only way to have a root in $(0,1]$ would be if the minimum occurs between $0$ and $1$ and the minimum value $le 0$. The
minimum is at $(a-3)/2$, so this requires $a in (3,5]$. But for $a$ in this interval,
$-a^2 + 10 a + 7 > 0$.
So the answer is $a < -4$.
Alternative method:
For given $y$, $f(y) = 0$ for $a = A(y) = 4 + y + 8/(y-1)$. Thus you want the set of values $A(y)$ for $0 < y < 1$ (of course $A(1)$ is undefined).
$A'(y) = dfrac{y^2 - y - 7}{(y-1)^2} < 0$ in this interval, so $A$ is a decreasing function of $y$, with $A(y) to -infty$ as $y to 1-$. Thus the answer is $(-infty, A(0)) = (-infty, -4)$.
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You want $f(y) = y^2 - (a-3) y + (a+4)$ to have at least one root in $(0,1]$.
Note that $f(0) = a+4$ and $f(1) = 8$, while the minimum value of $f(y)$, occurring at
$y = (a-3)/2$, is $(-a^2 + 10 a + 7)/4$. There are several cases to consider.
- If $a < -4$, $f(0) < 0 < f(1)$ so there is a root in $(0,1]$.
- For $a = -4$, $f(y) = y^2 + 7 y$ so the roots $0$ and $-7$ are not in $(0,1]$.
- For $a > -4$, $f(0) > 0$ and $f(1) > 0$ so the only way to have a root in $(0,1]$ would be if the minimum occurs between $0$ and $1$ and the minimum value $le 0$. The
minimum is at $(a-3)/2$, so this requires $a in (3,5]$. But for $a$ in this interval,
$-a^2 + 10 a + 7 > 0$.
So the answer is $a < -4$.
Alternative method:
For given $y$, $f(y) = 0$ for $a = A(y) = 4 + y + 8/(y-1)$. Thus you want the set of values $A(y)$ for $0 < y < 1$ (of course $A(1)$ is undefined).
$A'(y) = dfrac{y^2 - y - 7}{(y-1)^2} < 0$ in this interval, so $A$ is a decreasing function of $y$, with $A(y) to -infty$ as $y to 1-$. Thus the answer is $(-infty, A(0)) = (-infty, -4)$.
edited Dec 21 '18 at 15:57
answered Dec 21 '18 at 15:46
Robert IsraelRobert Israel
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Not only the equation in $y$ must have real roots, but these roots have to be $le 1$, since it's asked that the equation in $x$ has non-positive roots, so that $y=2^xle 2^0=1$.
To test whether the roots are less than $1$, we can place $1$ w.r.t. the roots $y_1,y_2$ of $;p(y)=y^2-(a-3)y+a+4$. The standard method is to determine the sign of $p(1)=8>0$. Therefore $1$ does not separate the roots of $p(y)$, and $1$ is either less than or greater than both of them. Furthermore, the half-sum of the roots is $;frac{a-3}2$ by Vieta's relations, so that
$$y_1, y_2 le 1iff frac{y_1+y_2}2=frac{a-3}2 le 1iff ale 5. $$
So the solution is
$$ain Bigl{Bigl(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}Bigr]cup Bigl[5+4sqrt{2},inftyBigr)Bigr}cap (-infty,5]=Bigl(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}Bigr].$$
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There must be some error in your computations. The interval is $a<-4$.
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– egreg
Dec 21 '18 at 18:07
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@egreg: That's quite possible – I computed directly on screen. Further it's not clear to me whether the O.P. wants both roots non-positive or at least $1$. I'll check that.
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– Bernard
Dec 21 '18 at 18:42
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Not only the equation in $y$ must have real roots, but these roots have to be $le 1$, since it's asked that the equation in $x$ has non-positive roots, so that $y=2^xle 2^0=1$.
To test whether the roots are less than $1$, we can place $1$ w.r.t. the roots $y_1,y_2$ of $;p(y)=y^2-(a-3)y+a+4$. The standard method is to determine the sign of $p(1)=8>0$. Therefore $1$ does not separate the roots of $p(y)$, and $1$ is either less than or greater than both of them. Furthermore, the half-sum of the roots is $;frac{a-3}2$ by Vieta's relations, so that
$$y_1, y_2 le 1iff frac{y_1+y_2}2=frac{a-3}2 le 1iff ale 5. $$
So the solution is
$$ain Bigl{Bigl(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}Bigr]cup Bigl[5+4sqrt{2},inftyBigr)Bigr}cap (-infty,5]=Bigl(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}Bigr].$$
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There must be some error in your computations. The interval is $a<-4$.
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– egreg
Dec 21 '18 at 18:07
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@egreg: That's quite possible – I computed directly on screen. Further it's not clear to me whether the O.P. wants both roots non-positive or at least $1$. I'll check that.
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– Bernard
Dec 21 '18 at 18:42
add a comment |
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Not only the equation in $y$ must have real roots, but these roots have to be $le 1$, since it's asked that the equation in $x$ has non-positive roots, so that $y=2^xle 2^0=1$.
To test whether the roots are less than $1$, we can place $1$ w.r.t. the roots $y_1,y_2$ of $;p(y)=y^2-(a-3)y+a+4$. The standard method is to determine the sign of $p(1)=8>0$. Therefore $1$ does not separate the roots of $p(y)$, and $1$ is either less than or greater than both of them. Furthermore, the half-sum of the roots is $;frac{a-3}2$ by Vieta's relations, so that
$$y_1, y_2 le 1iff frac{y_1+y_2}2=frac{a-3}2 le 1iff ale 5. $$
So the solution is
$$ain Bigl{Bigl(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}Bigr]cup Bigl[5+4sqrt{2},inftyBigr)Bigr}cap (-infty,5]=Bigl(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}Bigr].$$
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Not only the equation in $y$ must have real roots, but these roots have to be $le 1$, since it's asked that the equation in $x$ has non-positive roots, so that $y=2^xle 2^0=1$.
To test whether the roots are less than $1$, we can place $1$ w.r.t. the roots $y_1,y_2$ of $;p(y)=y^2-(a-3)y+a+4$. The standard method is to determine the sign of $p(1)=8>0$. Therefore $1$ does not separate the roots of $p(y)$, and $1$ is either less than or greater than both of them. Furthermore, the half-sum of the roots is $;frac{a-3}2$ by Vieta's relations, so that
$$y_1, y_2 le 1iff frac{y_1+y_2}2=frac{a-3}2 le 1iff ale 5. $$
So the solution is
$$ain Bigl{Bigl(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}Bigr]cup Bigl[5+4sqrt{2},inftyBigr)Bigr}cap (-infty,5]=Bigl(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}Bigr].$$
answered Dec 21 '18 at 15:47
BernardBernard
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There must be some error in your computations. The interval is $a<-4$.
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– egreg
Dec 21 '18 at 18:07
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@egreg: That's quite possible – I computed directly on screen. Further it's not clear to me whether the O.P. wants both roots non-positive or at least $1$. I'll check that.
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– Bernard
Dec 21 '18 at 18:42
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There must be some error in your computations. The interval is $a<-4$.
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– egreg
Dec 21 '18 at 18:07
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@egreg: That's quite possible – I computed directly on screen. Further it's not clear to me whether the O.P. wants both roots non-positive or at least $1$. I'll check that.
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– Bernard
Dec 21 '18 at 18:42
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There must be some error in your computations. The interval is $a<-4$.
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– egreg
Dec 21 '18 at 18:07
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There must be some error in your computations. The interval is $a<-4$.
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– egreg
Dec 21 '18 at 18:07
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@egreg: That's quite possible – I computed directly on screen. Further it's not clear to me whether the O.P. wants both roots non-positive or at least $1$. I'll check that.
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– Bernard
Dec 21 '18 at 18:42
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@egreg: That's quite possible – I computed directly on screen. Further it's not clear to me whether the O.P. wants both roots non-positive or at least $1$. I'll check that.
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– Bernard
Dec 21 '18 at 18:42
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Maybe include the answer you are exspecting instead of only stating "but answer is different form" hence right now we do not no either where you made your mistake.
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– mrtaurho
Dec 21 '18 at 15:20
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So you have real roots for $y$. But are they non-positive?
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– Andrei
Dec 21 '18 at 15:22
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Does the discriminant $ge 0$ ensures $yin(0,1]$?
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– A.Γ.
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@ A.Γ. how can i calculate it. please explain me. thanks
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