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Let $S_n$ be the unit sphere in $mathbb{R}^{n+1}$, and let $pin S_n$. Moreover, call $E=B_r(p)cap S_n$, with $r$ positive, and $B_r(p)$ the open ball or radius $r$ and center $p$. Let $$F={te,:, 0neq tin mathbb{R},, ein E}.$$ How do I formally prove that $F$ is open? I need this to have a formal prove that the projective space is homeomorphic to a quotient of the sphere, but I cannot see how to prove it formally.










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    I am trying to look at it from a much simpler point of view. $B_r(p)$ is open and may or may not contain $S_n$ which is closed and cannot contain $B_r(p)$. Hence the $E$ must be closed no? math.stackexchange.com/questions/2243551/…
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    It can be closed when $S_nsubset B_r(p)$
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    If the open ball $B_r(p)$ contains $S_n$, then $F$ is just $mathbb{R}^{n+1}$ minus $0$.
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    So basically you take the quotient map $pi:mathbb{R}^{n+1}backslash{0}tomathbb{P}mathbb{R}^{n+1}$ with the real projective space on the right and you want to show that $pi | {S^{n}}$ is open. Which follows if $pi$ is because they are both onto.
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    @freakish It depends on how you do define the real projective space. If you define it with a sphere, I would like to prove that $pi$ is continuous.
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Let $S_n$ be the unit sphere in $mathbb{R}^{n+1}$, and let $pin S_n$. Moreover, call $E=B_r(p)cap S_n$, with $r$ positive, and $B_r(p)$ the open ball or radius $r$ and center $p$. Let $$F={te,:, 0neq tin mathbb{R},, ein E}.$$ How do I formally prove that $F$ is open? I need this to have a formal prove that the projective space is homeomorphic to a quotient of the sphere, but I cannot see how to prove it formally.










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    I am trying to look at it from a much simpler point of view. $B_r(p)$ is open and may or may not contain $S_n$ which is closed and cannot contain $B_r(p)$. Hence the $E$ must be closed no? math.stackexchange.com/questions/2243551/…
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    It can be closed when $S_nsubset B_r(p)$
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    If the open ball $B_r(p)$ contains $S_n$, then $F$ is just $mathbb{R}^{n+1}$ minus $0$.
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    – W4cc0
    Dec 21 '18 at 15:11






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    So basically you take the quotient map $pi:mathbb{R}^{n+1}backslash{0}tomathbb{P}mathbb{R}^{n+1}$ with the real projective space on the right and you want to show that $pi | {S^{n}}$ is open. Which follows if $pi$ is because they are both onto.
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    @freakish It depends on how you do define the real projective space. If you define it with a sphere, I would like to prove that $pi$ is continuous.
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Let $S_n$ be the unit sphere in $mathbb{R}^{n+1}$, and let $pin S_n$. Moreover, call $E=B_r(p)cap S_n$, with $r$ positive, and $B_r(p)$ the open ball or radius $r$ and center $p$. Let $$F={te,:, 0neq tin mathbb{R},, ein E}.$$ How do I formally prove that $F$ is open? I need this to have a formal prove that the projective space is homeomorphic to a quotient of the sphere, but I cannot see how to prove it formally.










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Let $S_n$ be the unit sphere in $mathbb{R}^{n+1}$, and let $pin S_n$. Moreover, call $E=B_r(p)cap S_n$, with $r$ positive, and $B_r(p)$ the open ball or radius $r$ and center $p$. Let $$F={te,:, 0neq tin mathbb{R},, ein E}.$$ How do I formally prove that $F$ is open? I need this to have a formal prove that the projective space is homeomorphic to a quotient of the sphere, but I cannot see how to prove it formally.







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    I am trying to look at it from a much simpler point of view. $B_r(p)$ is open and may or may not contain $S_n$ which is closed and cannot contain $B_r(p)$. Hence the $E$ must be closed no? math.stackexchange.com/questions/2243551/…
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    It can be closed when $S_nsubset B_r(p)$
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    Dec 21 '18 at 15:08






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    $begingroup$
    If the open ball $B_r(p)$ contains $S_n$, then $F$ is just $mathbb{R}^{n+1}$ minus $0$.
    $endgroup$
    – W4cc0
    Dec 21 '18 at 15:11






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    So basically you take the quotient map $pi:mathbb{R}^{n+1}backslash{0}tomathbb{P}mathbb{R}^{n+1}$ with the real projective space on the right and you want to show that $pi | {S^{n}}$ is open. Which follows if $pi$ is because they are both onto.
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    @freakish It depends on how you do define the real projective space. If you define it with a sphere, I would like to prove that $pi$ is continuous.
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    I am trying to look at it from a much simpler point of view. $B_r(p)$ is open and may or may not contain $S_n$ which is closed and cannot contain $B_r(p)$. Hence the $E$ must be closed no? math.stackexchange.com/questions/2243551/…
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    It can be closed when $S_nsubset B_r(p)$
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    Dec 21 '18 at 15:08






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    $begingroup$
    If the open ball $B_r(p)$ contains $S_n$, then $F$ is just $mathbb{R}^{n+1}$ minus $0$.
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    – W4cc0
    Dec 21 '18 at 15:11






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    So basically you take the quotient map $pi:mathbb{R}^{n+1}backslash{0}tomathbb{P}mathbb{R}^{n+1}$ with the real projective space on the right and you want to show that $pi | {S^{n}}$ is open. Which follows if $pi$ is because they are both onto.
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    @freakish It depends on how you do define the real projective space. If you define it with a sphere, I would like to prove that $pi$ is continuous.
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I am trying to look at it from a much simpler point of view. $B_r(p)$ is open and may or may not contain $S_n$ which is closed and cannot contain $B_r(p)$. Hence the $E$ must be closed no? math.stackexchange.com/questions/2243551/…
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I am trying to look at it from a much simpler point of view. $B_r(p)$ is open and may or may not contain $S_n$ which is closed and cannot contain $B_r(p)$. Hence the $E$ must be closed no? math.stackexchange.com/questions/2243551/…
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It can be closed when $S_nsubset B_r(p)$
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It can be closed when $S_nsubset B_r(p)$
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If the open ball $B_r(p)$ contains $S_n$, then $F$ is just $mathbb{R}^{n+1}$ minus $0$.
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If the open ball $B_r(p)$ contains $S_n$, then $F$ is just $mathbb{R}^{n+1}$ minus $0$.
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Dec 21 '18 at 15:11




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So basically you take the quotient map $pi:mathbb{R}^{n+1}backslash{0}tomathbb{P}mathbb{R}^{n+1}$ with the real projective space on the right and you want to show that $pi | {S^{n}}$ is open. Which follows if $pi$ is because they are both onto.
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So basically you take the quotient map $pi:mathbb{R}^{n+1}backslash{0}tomathbb{P}mathbb{R}^{n+1}$ with the real projective space on the right and you want to show that $pi | {S^{n}}$ is open. Which follows if $pi$ is because they are both onto.
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@freakish It depends on how you do define the real projective space. If you define it with a sphere, I would like to prove that $pi$ is continuous.
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@freakish It depends on how you do define the real projective space. If you define it with a sphere, I would like to prove that $pi$ is continuous.
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Define a retraction $r : mathbb{R}^{n+1} setminus { 0 } to S^n, r(x) = x/lVert x rVert$. This is a continuous function.



$E$ is open in $S^n$. Hence $F_+ = r^{-1}(E) = { te mid t > 0, e in E }$, is open.



Similarly $-r$ is continuous and $F_- = (-r)^{-1}(E) = { te mid t < 0, e in E }$ is open.



Now observe $F = F_+ cup F_-$.



You can alternatively regard $r$ as a function $R : mathbb{R}^{n+1} setminus { 0 } to mathbb{R}^{n+1}$. Then $R^{-1}(B_r(p)) = { te mid t > 0, e in E }$.






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    Recall that if $Asubseteqmathbb{R}^{n+1}$ and $tinmathbb{R}$ then $tA={ta | ain A}$.




    Lemma 1. If $Csubseteq S^n$ is closed in $S^n$ then $V=bigcup_{tneq 0}tC$ is closed in $mathbb{R}^{n+1}backslash{0}$.




    Proof. Assume that $(a_n)$ is a sequence in $V$ convergent to some $ainmathbb{R}^{n+1}backslash{0}$. Then $lVert a_nrVert$ converges to $lVert arVertneq 0$. Now note that $a_n/lVert a_nrVertin C$ and it is also convergent (as an image of $(a_n)$ via continuous function). Since $C$ is closed then it converges to some $cin C$. We know what that $c$ is: $c=a/lVert arVert$ again by continuity of $vmapsto v/lVert vrVert$. It follows that $a=lVert arVert c$ and so $ain V$. $Box$




    Lemma 2. If $Usubseteq S^n$ is open then so is $V=bigcup_{tneq 0}tU$ in $mathbb{R}^{n+1}backslash{0}$.




    Proof. By Lemma 1 $C'=bigcup_{tneq 0}t(S^nbackslash U)$ is closed in $mathbb{R}^{n+1}backslash{0}$. The statement follows because $V$ is the complement of $C'$ in $mathbb{R}^{n+1}backslash{0}$. $Box$




    Conclusion. Your $F$ set is open.




    Proof. $E$ is an open subset of $S^n$ by definition. Apply Lemma 2 to $V=F$. $Box$






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      Define a retraction $r : mathbb{R}^{n+1} setminus { 0 } to S^n, r(x) = x/lVert x rVert$. This is a continuous function.



      $E$ is open in $S^n$. Hence $F_+ = r^{-1}(E) = { te mid t > 0, e in E }$, is open.



      Similarly $-r$ is continuous and $F_- = (-r)^{-1}(E) = { te mid t < 0, e in E }$ is open.



      Now observe $F = F_+ cup F_-$.



      You can alternatively regard $r$ as a function $R : mathbb{R}^{n+1} setminus { 0 } to mathbb{R}^{n+1}$. Then $R^{-1}(B_r(p)) = { te mid t > 0, e in E }$.






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        Define a retraction $r : mathbb{R}^{n+1} setminus { 0 } to S^n, r(x) = x/lVert x rVert$. This is a continuous function.



        $E$ is open in $S^n$. Hence $F_+ = r^{-1}(E) = { te mid t > 0, e in E }$, is open.



        Similarly $-r$ is continuous and $F_- = (-r)^{-1}(E) = { te mid t < 0, e in E }$ is open.



        Now observe $F = F_+ cup F_-$.



        You can alternatively regard $r$ as a function $R : mathbb{R}^{n+1} setminus { 0 } to mathbb{R}^{n+1}$. Then $R^{-1}(B_r(p)) = { te mid t > 0, e in E }$.






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          Define a retraction $r : mathbb{R}^{n+1} setminus { 0 } to S^n, r(x) = x/lVert x rVert$. This is a continuous function.



          $E$ is open in $S^n$. Hence $F_+ = r^{-1}(E) = { te mid t > 0, e in E }$, is open.



          Similarly $-r$ is continuous and $F_- = (-r)^{-1}(E) = { te mid t < 0, e in E }$ is open.



          Now observe $F = F_+ cup F_-$.



          You can alternatively regard $r$ as a function $R : mathbb{R}^{n+1} setminus { 0 } to mathbb{R}^{n+1}$. Then $R^{-1}(B_r(p)) = { te mid t > 0, e in E }$.






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          Define a retraction $r : mathbb{R}^{n+1} setminus { 0 } to S^n, r(x) = x/lVert x rVert$. This is a continuous function.



          $E$ is open in $S^n$. Hence $F_+ = r^{-1}(E) = { te mid t > 0, e in E }$, is open.



          Similarly $-r$ is continuous and $F_- = (-r)^{-1}(E) = { te mid t < 0, e in E }$ is open.



          Now observe $F = F_+ cup F_-$.



          You can alternatively regard $r$ as a function $R : mathbb{R}^{n+1} setminus { 0 } to mathbb{R}^{n+1}$. Then $R^{-1}(B_r(p)) = { te mid t > 0, e in E }$.







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              Recall that if $Asubseteqmathbb{R}^{n+1}$ and $tinmathbb{R}$ then $tA={ta | ain A}$.




              Lemma 1. If $Csubseteq S^n$ is closed in $S^n$ then $V=bigcup_{tneq 0}tC$ is closed in $mathbb{R}^{n+1}backslash{0}$.




              Proof. Assume that $(a_n)$ is a sequence in $V$ convergent to some $ainmathbb{R}^{n+1}backslash{0}$. Then $lVert a_nrVert$ converges to $lVert arVertneq 0$. Now note that $a_n/lVert a_nrVertin C$ and it is also convergent (as an image of $(a_n)$ via continuous function). Since $C$ is closed then it converges to some $cin C$. We know what that $c$ is: $c=a/lVert arVert$ again by continuity of $vmapsto v/lVert vrVert$. It follows that $a=lVert arVert c$ and so $ain V$. $Box$




              Lemma 2. If $Usubseteq S^n$ is open then so is $V=bigcup_{tneq 0}tU$ in $mathbb{R}^{n+1}backslash{0}$.




              Proof. By Lemma 1 $C'=bigcup_{tneq 0}t(S^nbackslash U)$ is closed in $mathbb{R}^{n+1}backslash{0}$. The statement follows because $V$ is the complement of $C'$ in $mathbb{R}^{n+1}backslash{0}$. $Box$




              Conclusion. Your $F$ set is open.




              Proof. $E$ is an open subset of $S^n$ by definition. Apply Lemma 2 to $V=F$. $Box$






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                Recall that if $Asubseteqmathbb{R}^{n+1}$ and $tinmathbb{R}$ then $tA={ta | ain A}$.




                Lemma 1. If $Csubseteq S^n$ is closed in $S^n$ then $V=bigcup_{tneq 0}tC$ is closed in $mathbb{R}^{n+1}backslash{0}$.




                Proof. Assume that $(a_n)$ is a sequence in $V$ convergent to some $ainmathbb{R}^{n+1}backslash{0}$. Then $lVert a_nrVert$ converges to $lVert arVertneq 0$. Now note that $a_n/lVert a_nrVertin C$ and it is also convergent (as an image of $(a_n)$ via continuous function). Since $C$ is closed then it converges to some $cin C$. We know what that $c$ is: $c=a/lVert arVert$ again by continuity of $vmapsto v/lVert vrVert$. It follows that $a=lVert arVert c$ and so $ain V$. $Box$




                Lemma 2. If $Usubseteq S^n$ is open then so is $V=bigcup_{tneq 0}tU$ in $mathbb{R}^{n+1}backslash{0}$.




                Proof. By Lemma 1 $C'=bigcup_{tneq 0}t(S^nbackslash U)$ is closed in $mathbb{R}^{n+1}backslash{0}$. The statement follows because $V$ is the complement of $C'$ in $mathbb{R}^{n+1}backslash{0}$. $Box$




                Conclusion. Your $F$ set is open.




                Proof. $E$ is an open subset of $S^n$ by definition. Apply Lemma 2 to $V=F$. $Box$






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                  Recall that if $Asubseteqmathbb{R}^{n+1}$ and $tinmathbb{R}$ then $tA={ta | ain A}$.




                  Lemma 1. If $Csubseteq S^n$ is closed in $S^n$ then $V=bigcup_{tneq 0}tC$ is closed in $mathbb{R}^{n+1}backslash{0}$.




                  Proof. Assume that $(a_n)$ is a sequence in $V$ convergent to some $ainmathbb{R}^{n+1}backslash{0}$. Then $lVert a_nrVert$ converges to $lVert arVertneq 0$. Now note that $a_n/lVert a_nrVertin C$ and it is also convergent (as an image of $(a_n)$ via continuous function). Since $C$ is closed then it converges to some $cin C$. We know what that $c$ is: $c=a/lVert arVert$ again by continuity of $vmapsto v/lVert vrVert$. It follows that $a=lVert arVert c$ and so $ain V$. $Box$




                  Lemma 2. If $Usubseteq S^n$ is open then so is $V=bigcup_{tneq 0}tU$ in $mathbb{R}^{n+1}backslash{0}$.




                  Proof. By Lemma 1 $C'=bigcup_{tneq 0}t(S^nbackslash U)$ is closed in $mathbb{R}^{n+1}backslash{0}$. The statement follows because $V$ is the complement of $C'$ in $mathbb{R}^{n+1}backslash{0}$. $Box$




                  Conclusion. Your $F$ set is open.




                  Proof. $E$ is an open subset of $S^n$ by definition. Apply Lemma 2 to $V=F$. $Box$






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                  Recall that if $Asubseteqmathbb{R}^{n+1}$ and $tinmathbb{R}$ then $tA={ta | ain A}$.




                  Lemma 1. If $Csubseteq S^n$ is closed in $S^n$ then $V=bigcup_{tneq 0}tC$ is closed in $mathbb{R}^{n+1}backslash{0}$.




                  Proof. Assume that $(a_n)$ is a sequence in $V$ convergent to some $ainmathbb{R}^{n+1}backslash{0}$. Then $lVert a_nrVert$ converges to $lVert arVertneq 0$. Now note that $a_n/lVert a_nrVertin C$ and it is also convergent (as an image of $(a_n)$ via continuous function). Since $C$ is closed then it converges to some $cin C$. We know what that $c$ is: $c=a/lVert arVert$ again by continuity of $vmapsto v/lVert vrVert$. It follows that $a=lVert arVert c$ and so $ain V$. $Box$




                  Lemma 2. If $Usubseteq S^n$ is open then so is $V=bigcup_{tneq 0}tU$ in $mathbb{R}^{n+1}backslash{0}$.




                  Proof. By Lemma 1 $C'=bigcup_{tneq 0}t(S^nbackslash U)$ is closed in $mathbb{R}^{n+1}backslash{0}$. The statement follows because $V$ is the complement of $C'$ in $mathbb{R}^{n+1}backslash{0}$. $Box$




                  Conclusion. Your $F$ set is open.




                  Proof. $E$ is an open subset of $S^n$ by definition. Apply Lemma 2 to $V=F$. $Box$







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