${prod_{i=1}^{r} H_{i}} bigcap H_{r+1} = {e} Rightarrow H_{i}bigcap H_{j} = {e} ; forall ineq j$?











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I am studying Internal Direct Products in Group Theory.




$mbox{Let}$ $G$ be a group and $H_{i}lhd G; forall i=1,2ldots
> n$



Suppose ${prod_{i=1}^{r} H_{i}} bigcap H_{r+1} = {e} ; forall
> r=1,2ldots (n-1)$
then prove that $H_{i}bigcap H_{j} = {e} ;
forall ineq j$



But converse is true only if $n=2$




First of all, I am really not sure about the validity of these statements since I am reading from a not-so-standard material.



I tried to prove $(Rightarrow)$ like this$:$



Let $ain H_{i}bigcap H_{j},; ; aneq e, ; ; f.s. ; ineq j$



$Rightarrow ain H_{i}$ and $a in H_{j}$



WLOG, assume $i < j $



Clearly, $a in prod_{i=1}^{j-1}H_{i}$ since we can write $a=e.eldots a.e.dots e$
$Rightarrow {prod_{i=1}^{j-1}H_{i} } bigcap H_{j} neq {e} ; ; mbox{contradiction}$



Converse is obviously true for $n=2$ but how can I show it is not true for $n>2$?










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  • Have you tried to prove this theorem... solo? :)
    – Monstrous Moonshiner
    Nov 21 at 6:08










  • @MonstrousMoonshiner I've proved one side of it in the description itself
    – So Lo
    Nov 21 at 7:10










  • Yes, I was just making a silly joke...
    – Monstrous Moonshiner
    Nov 21 at 7:11










  • @MonstrousMoonshiner ohh, my bad :p
    – So Lo
    Nov 21 at 7:11















up vote
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down vote

favorite












I am studying Internal Direct Products in Group Theory.




$mbox{Let}$ $G$ be a group and $H_{i}lhd G; forall i=1,2ldots
> n$



Suppose ${prod_{i=1}^{r} H_{i}} bigcap H_{r+1} = {e} ; forall
> r=1,2ldots (n-1)$
then prove that $H_{i}bigcap H_{j} = {e} ;
forall ineq j$



But converse is true only if $n=2$




First of all, I am really not sure about the validity of these statements since I am reading from a not-so-standard material.



I tried to prove $(Rightarrow)$ like this$:$



Let $ain H_{i}bigcap H_{j},; ; aneq e, ; ; f.s. ; ineq j$



$Rightarrow ain H_{i}$ and $a in H_{j}$



WLOG, assume $i < j $



Clearly, $a in prod_{i=1}^{j-1}H_{i}$ since we can write $a=e.eldots a.e.dots e$
$Rightarrow {prod_{i=1}^{j-1}H_{i} } bigcap H_{j} neq {e} ; ; mbox{contradiction}$



Converse is obviously true for $n=2$ but how can I show it is not true for $n>2$?










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  • Have you tried to prove this theorem... solo? :)
    – Monstrous Moonshiner
    Nov 21 at 6:08










  • @MonstrousMoonshiner I've proved one side of it in the description itself
    – So Lo
    Nov 21 at 7:10










  • Yes, I was just making a silly joke...
    – Monstrous Moonshiner
    Nov 21 at 7:11










  • @MonstrousMoonshiner ohh, my bad :p
    – So Lo
    Nov 21 at 7:11













up vote
0
down vote

favorite









up vote
0
down vote

favorite











I am studying Internal Direct Products in Group Theory.




$mbox{Let}$ $G$ be a group and $H_{i}lhd G; forall i=1,2ldots
> n$



Suppose ${prod_{i=1}^{r} H_{i}} bigcap H_{r+1} = {e} ; forall
> r=1,2ldots (n-1)$
then prove that $H_{i}bigcap H_{j} = {e} ;
forall ineq j$



But converse is true only if $n=2$




First of all, I am really not sure about the validity of these statements since I am reading from a not-so-standard material.



I tried to prove $(Rightarrow)$ like this$:$



Let $ain H_{i}bigcap H_{j},; ; aneq e, ; ; f.s. ; ineq j$



$Rightarrow ain H_{i}$ and $a in H_{j}$



WLOG, assume $i < j $



Clearly, $a in prod_{i=1}^{j-1}H_{i}$ since we can write $a=e.eldots a.e.dots e$
$Rightarrow {prod_{i=1}^{j-1}H_{i} } bigcap H_{j} neq {e} ; ; mbox{contradiction}$



Converse is obviously true for $n=2$ but how can I show it is not true for $n>2$?










share|cite|improve this question













I am studying Internal Direct Products in Group Theory.




$mbox{Let}$ $G$ be a group and $H_{i}lhd G; forall i=1,2ldots
> n$



Suppose ${prod_{i=1}^{r} H_{i}} bigcap H_{r+1} = {e} ; forall
> r=1,2ldots (n-1)$
then prove that $H_{i}bigcap H_{j} = {e} ;
forall ineq j$



But converse is true only if $n=2$




First of all, I am really not sure about the validity of these statements since I am reading from a not-so-standard material.



I tried to prove $(Rightarrow)$ like this$:$



Let $ain H_{i}bigcap H_{j},; ; aneq e, ; ; f.s. ; ineq j$



$Rightarrow ain H_{i}$ and $a in H_{j}$



WLOG, assume $i < j $



Clearly, $a in prod_{i=1}^{j-1}H_{i}$ since we can write $a=e.eldots a.e.dots e$
$Rightarrow {prod_{i=1}^{j-1}H_{i} } bigcap H_{j} neq {e} ; ; mbox{contradiction}$



Converse is obviously true for $n=2$ but how can I show it is not true for $n>2$?







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  • Have you tried to prove this theorem... solo? :)
    – Monstrous Moonshiner
    Nov 21 at 6:08










  • @MonstrousMoonshiner I've proved one side of it in the description itself
    – So Lo
    Nov 21 at 7:10










  • Yes, I was just making a silly joke...
    – Monstrous Moonshiner
    Nov 21 at 7:11










  • @MonstrousMoonshiner ohh, my bad :p
    – So Lo
    Nov 21 at 7:11


















  • Have you tried to prove this theorem... solo? :)
    – Monstrous Moonshiner
    Nov 21 at 6:08










  • @MonstrousMoonshiner I've proved one side of it in the description itself
    – So Lo
    Nov 21 at 7:10










  • Yes, I was just making a silly joke...
    – Monstrous Moonshiner
    Nov 21 at 7:11










  • @MonstrousMoonshiner ohh, my bad :p
    – So Lo
    Nov 21 at 7:11
















Have you tried to prove this theorem... solo? :)
– Monstrous Moonshiner
Nov 21 at 6:08




Have you tried to prove this theorem... solo? :)
– Monstrous Moonshiner
Nov 21 at 6:08












@MonstrousMoonshiner I've proved one side of it in the description itself
– So Lo
Nov 21 at 7:10




@MonstrousMoonshiner I've proved one side of it in the description itself
– So Lo
Nov 21 at 7:10












Yes, I was just making a silly joke...
– Monstrous Moonshiner
Nov 21 at 7:11




Yes, I was just making a silly joke...
– Monstrous Moonshiner
Nov 21 at 7:11












@MonstrousMoonshiner ohh, my bad :p
– So Lo
Nov 21 at 7:11




@MonstrousMoonshiner ohh, my bad :p
– So Lo
Nov 21 at 7:11










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Counter example :
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$N_1=${$(0,0),(1,0),(2,0)$}



$N_2=${$(0,0)(0,1)(0,2)$}



$N_3=${$(0,0)(1,1)(2,2)$}



$N_1N_2cap N_3=${$(0,0),(1,1)(2,2)$}






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    Counter example :
    Group $Z_3times Z_3$ under +



    $N_1=${$(0,0),(1,0),(2,0)$}



    $N_2=${$(0,0)(0,1)(0,2)$}



    $N_3=${$(0,0)(1,1)(2,2)$}



    $N_1N_2cap N_3=${$(0,0),(1,1)(2,2)$}






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      accepted










      Counter example :
      Group $Z_3times Z_3$ under +



      $N_1=${$(0,0),(1,0),(2,0)$}



      $N_2=${$(0,0)(0,1)(0,2)$}



      $N_3=${$(0,0)(1,1)(2,2)$}



      $N_1N_2cap N_3=${$(0,0),(1,1)(2,2)$}






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        up vote
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        Counter example :
        Group $Z_3times Z_3$ under +



        $N_1=${$(0,0),(1,0),(2,0)$}



        $N_2=${$(0,0)(0,1)(0,2)$}



        $N_3=${$(0,0)(1,1)(2,2)$}



        $N_1N_2cap N_3=${$(0,0),(1,1)(2,2)$}






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        Counter example :
        Group $Z_3times Z_3$ under +



        $N_1=${$(0,0),(1,0),(2,0)$}



        $N_2=${$(0,0)(0,1)(0,2)$}



        $N_3=${$(0,0)(1,1)(2,2)$}



        $N_1N_2cap N_3=${$(0,0),(1,1)(2,2)$}







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