Is there a spell that can stop a ship?
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There is a ship that needs to be stopped from sailing away without sinking it. The ship is large (2 masts), is in deep water and has a gust of wind item.
I am looking for spells up to a lvl 4 slot, including metamagic or material components costing 50 - 100 gp. Using official content, are there spells that can stop that ship?
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Note that the character using the spell in question is an NPC still in the making, so any class is fine. The ship in question is currently in the possession of the PCs, and the NPC wants to stop the PCs without damaging the ship too much due to the worth of the ship and the evidence on it.
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There is a ship that needs to be stopped from sailing away without sinking it. The ship is large (2 masts), is in deep water and has a gust of wind item.
I am looking for spells up to a lvl 4 slot, including metamagic or material components costing 50 - 100 gp. Using official content, are there spells that can stop that ship?
More info:
Note that the character using the spell in question is an NPC still in the making, so any class is fine. The ship in question is currently in the possession of the PCs, and the NPC wants to stop the PCs without damaging the ship too much due to the worth of the ship and the evidence on it.
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There is a ship that needs to be stopped from sailing away without sinking it. The ship is large (2 masts), is in deep water and has a gust of wind item.
I am looking for spells up to a lvl 4 slot, including metamagic or material components costing 50 - 100 gp. Using official content, are there spells that can stop that ship?
More info:
Note that the character using the spell in question is an NPC still in the making, so any class is fine. The ship in question is currently in the possession of the PCs, and the NPC wants to stop the PCs without damaging the ship too much due to the worth of the ship and the evidence on it.
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There is a ship that needs to be stopped from sailing away without sinking it. The ship is large (2 masts), is in deep water and has a gust of wind item.
I am looking for spells up to a lvl 4 slot, including metamagic or material components costing 50 - 100 gp. Using official content, are there spells that can stop that ship?
More info:
Note that the character using the spell in question is an NPC still in the making, so any class is fine. The ship in question is currently in the possession of the PCs, and the NPC wants to stop the PCs without damaging the ship too much due to the worth of the ship and the evidence on it.
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Control water is probably your best bet
Control water is a 4th level spell accessible to several classes. It allows you to "control any freestanding water inside an area you choose that is a cube up to 100 feet on a side", which should hopefully be large enough to contain the target ship. Note that you can't move the area you're affecting, so make sure the ship doesn't leave that area.
Control water gives you a number of options that you could use to slow or stop the ship's progress. Most directly, you can redirect the flow to halt the ship's forward progress. (You might need to argue with your DM over whether open ocean counts as "flowing water" for this option.) The best option, however, is probably "part water". If the ship is in a shallow body of water, you can drop it on the river bed or sea floor, which will definitely immobilize it. Otherwise, all you need to do is part the top 5 or 10 feet of water1, and the ship will be trapped in the shallow "pit" of water you've created. This way of trapping the ship has the considerable advantage over most other methods that it does not cause any damage to the ship. It creates an area from which the ship cannot escape, but with "soft" walls made of liquid water that will not damage the ship when it crashes into them.
If you are concerned that the boat is moving too quickly and will be able to use its momentum to escape the shallow pit, you can also start with the "flood" option, which in open water creates "a 20-foot tall wave that travels from one side of the area to the other and then crashes down". The ship in question is certainly larger than Huge (15 feet), so the wave won't carry the ship backwards. (Bonus: it also won't capsize the ship.) But a couple of 20 foot waves crashing against the bow is certainly going to slow the ship's forward progress. Once the ship is slowed, switch to parting the water on the next round to trap it.
The duration of control water is 10 minutes, which should be enough time for a quick smash-and-grab style of pirating. If you need longer than that, spend those 10 minutes disabling the ship's means of locomotion (sails, oars, crewmen, etc.) so that it will be unable to flee once the spell ends.
1 Note: The spell says to choose a cube, and the "part water" option doesn't directly allow you to control the depth of the trench. If you target a cube in the water large enough to contain the ship, parting the water will drop the ship to the bottom of that cube, likely causing significant damage from falling to the ship and everything on it. However, you can control the depth of the parting water indirectly by choosing a cube that is mostly above the water level and only extends 5 or 10 feet downward into the water. This will limit the depth of the trench, since the spell only affects the water inside the cube.
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Enlarge/Reduce
By casting the Reduce of Enlarge/Reduce, you will be able to do the following:
The target's size is halved in all dimensions, and its weight is reduced to one-eighth of normal.
Should you target the sails, that should hobble the ship enough to prevent movement, but also still make it easy for you to undo the effect and have a fully functioning ship.
Reducing the sails
This would likely cause the sails to fall as they no longer fit their rigging. Enlarging them again (or waiting the 1 minute for the spell to end), would just require the sailors to re-rig their ship. That's much more manageable from a simulationist perspective.
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Conjure Woodland Beings + Longstrider
Problem 1: Range
If you want to catch a ship, you need to be on a faster ship. At least, that's going to be your problem with spells like Control Water. You need to get within 300 ft. Line of sight on the open ocean depends on ship height, but let's just say it's 12 miles on a 100-ft crow's nest on a clear day. You're never getting close to a faster ship that doesn't want to get caught!
Problem 2: Duration
It's not enough to stun the ship. In fact, there's no such thing as stunning a ship. It's a bobbing bit of wood in the water whose crew rigged it so that the wind and currents tend to send it in a certain direction. Lots of spells can render a crew temporarily disabled or permanently dead, but the ship will keep sailing. For an extreme example of something in this vein, read about the Mary Celeste.
Even if you halt a ship with magic, that ship is halted only as long as the magic lasts. I believe Control Water should be able to halt a ship, but it only lasts 10 minutes. I assume you're stopping this ship so that another ship can board it. How far away is that other ship, again?
Incidentally and on the subject of duration, Gust of Wind has a duration of 1 minute. I'll assume that the players' ship either can maintain Gust of Wind for hours on end or has a high speed without Gust of Wind. Otherwise, a fast ship could overtake it without the use of magic.
The math of catching a ship
You need something that can outrun the players' ship and cut its sails. That slows them dramatically until they complete a doable but time-consuming repair. It also gives them an opportunity to use the Mending spell if anyone bothered to take it.
I've seen 5-8 knots listed as a typical speed for 19th century sailing vessels. 8 knots is 13.5 ft/s or 81 ft/round. Sprites with Longstrider have a fly speed of 50, so they can fly 100 ft/round by taking the Dash action. Quicklings have a walk speed of 120 ft, so with Water Walk and Longstrider, they can dash 260 ft across water per round.
Bottom line: even with the magical wind, it's a fast ship that can outrun Sprites with Longstrider, and Quicklings with Longstrider and Water Walk are even faster.
Note that this solution does require DM cooperation. Conjure Woodland Beings lets the caster pick a CR, and the DM picks X number of creature of that CR or lower to show up. The caster can ask for a particular creature or mix of creatures, but the DM has the final say on what creatures actually show up. My best guess is that a DM is meant to be generous about granting player requests, right up until the DM feels like it would make the game stupid (repeatedly conjuring Pixies to turn the whole party into Tyranosaurus Rexes is the classic example). As I understand it, though, you ARE the DM, so that's not a problem in this situation.
Example Encounter
Here's an example of what a level 8+ druid might do when his ship catches sight of your party's ship:
- Use Conjure Woodland Beings to summon 8 Sprites.
- Cast Longstrider on the Sprites (Longstrider doesn't require concentration, so you can do this).
- Instruct the Sprites to turn invisible, fly into the target
ship's rigging, and start cutting ropes. - Cast Animal Messenger on a seabird with fly speed 50. Send a message
to the target ship along the lines of "You will lay down arms and
surrender your vessel to [insert jurisdiction]." - Cast Water Breathing on self as a safety measure
- Jump overboard; Wildshape into a Giant Octopus and give chase, but hiding underwater
- When the sprites start destroying the rigging and the bird delivers its message, break the ship's rudder from underwater
The sprites will reappear the moment they start cutting ropes, and the ship's crew will kill them quickly thereafter. That's okay. Four cuts per mast should be plenty to cripple the ship's propulsion until the crew take the time to reset a bunch of stuff, and in the meantime your pursuing ship catches up.
If the players' ship puts up a fight when your ship catches up, remember that you're a giant octopus. Start dragging people overboard. This is particularly cruel, as there's no save against it. Every hit by a giant octopus is an automatic grapple. After a hit, all you have to do is move (rotate) so the victim is over the edge, and let them go.
Alternative
The example above is highly aggressive. If you want to build more tension, send only the sprites, then wait for your NPC's ship to catch up. "The rigging on your ship starts collapsing as sprites appear, cutting lines. You see a ship in the distance, slowly gaining on you."
Also, maybe you decide your druid doesn't have a ship, or maybe the players' ship is too fast for sprites to catch up within Conjure Woodland Beings' 1-hour duration. A level 8+ druid can get right on top of the players' ship by Wildshaping into a bird (I believe Giant Eagle with Longstrider is your fastest option), dropping into the water (with water breathing already on), and casting spells from underwater.
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Control Water
This spell affects a 100' cube of water. Either redirect flow to counter the effect of the winds and hold the ship in place with currents, or part water to ground the ship or at least put it at the bottom of a 100' hole in the water.
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Basically a conveyor belt made out of water, to counteract the movement of the ship? Is that spell precise enough to do it?
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– vsz
Dec 19 '18 at 7:08
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@vsz c-aviation.net/plane-conveyor-belt-explained-debunked
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– aaaaaa
Dec 20 '18 at 4:17
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@aaaaaa : it has nothing to do with this question. The ship here is a sailing ship, without any aircraft engines. Maybe it could be relevant for a hovercraft or similar air-propeller driven vehicle, but for nothing else (and your link is already broken). Also, it was not about the vehicle taking off into the air.
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– vsz
Dec 20 '18 at 5:06
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@vsz your comment reminded me of this old "problem" and i found it funny.
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Depending on how you want to approach it, hypnotic pattern could do the job. If enough crew members fail their save they will just be standing around doing nothing for a minute. Use that time to move in and tie them up.
Another option might be Otiluke's resilient sphere. Drop that around either the helm so they can't steer away, or whatever they use to raise the anchor.
If the crew on the ship aren't paying attention you might be able to block the ship with a few well placed floating discs. Cast enough of them under the sides of ship to support it's total weight just as the tide is about to go out. As soon as the water level has dropped enough the ship will no longer be in the water and thus be unable to sail away. You could also combo this with greater invisibility so that the caster isn't visible while they work.
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Or trick them into sailing in circles?
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– Acccumulation
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Polymorph might work.
The caster could use Polymorph to turn himself or a minion of sufficient CR/level into a Giant Shark or Giant Crocodile. These are Huge beasts with swim speeds and high Strength scores. The polymorphed person could then Grapple the ship, effectively stopping it. If the Grapple was initiated beneath the surface of the water, it would be difficult for the PCs to target the polymorphed person for an attack. It might take some time for the PCs to even realize what had caused the ship to stop. They might think they had hit a reef instead of been grappled by a Huge creature, for example. The Polymorph spell requires concentration but lasts for a whole hour, which would make it effective as a stalling tactic.
If you decide Grappling a ship is not allowed (refer to @NautArch's comment), look at the Unearthed Arcana for Ships and the Sea, and use the Crashing rules.
If a ship moves into the space occupied by a creature or object, it might crash. A ship avoids crashing if the creature or object is at least two sizes smaller than it. When a ship crashes, it must immediately make a DC 10 Constitution saving throw. On a failed save, it takes damage to its hull based on the size of the creature or object it crashed into, as shown on the Crash Damage table. It also stops moving if the object or creature is bigger than it or one size smaller.
A Huge creature such as a Giant Crocodile or Giant Shark will always be at most 1 size smaller than a ship, which is Gargantuan at most. By repeatedly moving in front of the ship, the polymorphed person can force the ship to repeat saving throws until it crashes. The ship will then be forced to stop because a Huge creature is at most 1 size smaller than a ship.
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Can you grapple a vehicle? Also, only the Giant Crocodile actually has a grapple attack, the Giant Shark does not. But i'm unconvinced you can grapple a boat, especially one of this size without additional rules citations.
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– NautArch
Dec 17 '18 at 17:58
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@NautArch Perhaps a better approach would be to figure out the weight of the boat and compare it to the carrying/pushing capacity of the creatures?
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– Ryan Thompson
Dec 17 '18 at 19:21
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@RyanThompson Sure, but I can tell you before even getting started that it's going to be well beyond the capacity :) We're talking hundreds of tons at a minimum.
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– NautArch
Dec 17 '18 at 19:40
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@RyanThompson A brig, one of the more common two-mast large ships, weighs in at 480 tons. The pushing capacity for a Giant Shark is only 2,760 lbs. Even the strongest aquatic creatures in the game (The Kraken and Ancient Gold Dragon) can only push 7200 lbs . A schooner (technically a 2 mast ship) would be viable at around 1300 lbs, but those ships were designed to be as light as possible (and I would definitely not call one "large").
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– David Coffron
Dec 17 '18 at 22:28
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I wonder if a better idea than trying to push/pull/block the ship would be to just smash the rudder. Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with how difficult it is to steer a large 2-masted ship with the sails alone. It's probably possible, but maybe not in the middle of a battle.
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Quaal's Anchor Feather Token
I'm aware that you are looking for a spell and the other answers have looked at spells in considerable depth. However, there is a particular magic item which performs precisely the task you want and I feel this question would be incomplete if I did not mention it.
Quaal's Feather Token (DMG p. 188)
Wondrous item, rare
Anchor. You can use an action to touch the token to a boat or ship. For the next 24 hours, the vessel can't be moved by any means. Touching the token to the vessel again ends the effect. When the effect ends, the token disappears.
Quaal's feather tokens appear on Magic Item Table C (DMG p. 145), which also contains 4th and 5th level spell scrolls, so by that metric it is roughly on par with 4th level spells. Additionally, Magic Item Table C is a valid treasure hoard result for monsters of CR 0-4 (DMG p. 137), so it is well within the means of an 8th level character to possess a feather token.
Depending on the abundance of magic items in your setting, if this is an NPC tasked by a port to chase down pirates it would make perfect sense for them to have magic items which would specifically help in that task. It may even be that the port authority has wizards or artificers who make anchor feather tokens, because being able to prevent a ship from disembarking would be something that is very useful for a port authority.
There are three advantages of the feather token. It has a duration of up to 24 hours (or until someone uses the token to reverse the effect) and does not require concentration, which is better than any spell. It completely blocks movement of the ship and does not damage the ship, unlike some spells which only inhibit the movement of the ship or which risk sinking the ship. And it can be used by anyone, not just a mid-level spellcaster (who would be rather expensive for the port to hire).
There are two disadvantages here, though. One is that the token has a range of touch. This means that the NPC (or their lackeys) need to get close enough to the ship to touch it. However, a bird animal companion should be able to use a feather token, so this is not too difficult to achieve. The other downside is that a consumable rare magic item may be considered to have a value greater than 100 gp (the very crude metrics in DMG p. 135 suggest its value is between 250 gp and 2500 gp; I would lean towards the lower end of this range for feather tokens). However, if your port authority really wants to stop these 'pirates', then they would be willing to spend some extra cash to get the job done properly.
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With an 8th level wizard1, Fabricate solves the problem
Turn the sails into fishnets, or into macrame hammocks. The ship goes nowhere. If there is a question as to whether or not canvas can be made into net, that's where the macrame comes in. It's cloth (well, yarn/thread) which is what sails / canvas are made from as a raw material. The trick is to stay within range (120 ') for the whole casting time.
Fabricate
Casting Time: 10 minutes / Range: 120 feet /
You convert raw materials into products of the same material. For example, you can fabricate a wooden bridge from a clump of trees, a rope from a patch
of hemp, and clothes from flax or wool. Choose raw materials that you
can see within range. {snip} The quality of objects made by the spell is commensurate with the quality of the raw materials.
Nets don't hold wind.
Once you have the ship, you can change them back in to sails.
No damage done, and Bob's your uncle.
1 Or a Bard with magical secrets, or using a couple of scrolls, or a scroll and a ring of spell storing ...
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I would question whether sails can properly be considered "raw materials". The example given in the spell for creating something from fabric starts with raw materials of wool or flax, not some other product made of fabric. (That said, "stop that wizard before he turns our sails into hammocks" might make for an interesting encounter scenario.)
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@RyanThompson As I am not questioning that, since they are both made from the same raw material, I appreciate your point but I think it takes a very severe case of "I can't unless the rules say so" approach to rule that way. As with a lot of stuff, this may vary with the DM. Such is 5e, and it works for me. I can see a ruling going the other way, and would honor such also.
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– KorvinStarmast
Dec 18 '18 at 2:08
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Aren't sails nothing but cloth? And isn't cloth a raw material for clothes?
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– M.Herzkamp
Dec 19 '18 at 11:52
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@M.Herzkamp cloth is made from thread, which is made from plant fiber; plant fiber is the raw material of rope as well. (Certainly the thin ropes that are knotted together to make a net).
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The real stoppers come only at 5+ level, so let's start with looking at them. Oh, slight note: most of these cost little to nothing in components.
Wall of Force - 5
If it is just to stop the ship here and there, creating a magic reef in the shape of a Wall of force will stop the ship in their tracks within moments. Granted, the ship will be a wreck afterward and sink if you hit it below the shoreline.
That is unless you are smart and place the wall of force about 4 feet over the main deck in the way of the ship and cap away the masts, knock over all sailors on deck and destroy the steering without sinking the ship. Well, 120 feet range means we need some way to get someone into range.
Disintegrate - 6
A ship is huge, but if it has a 10-foot hole in the bow, it will start to leak and sink, no longer moving forward. But if you aim for the masts, it will just slow down and halt. And be a sitting duck. The problem is, you need to get within 60 feet - that's even more limited than demasting with a Wall of Force.
Ok, we got the two big showstoppers out, so, let's get creative and try to destroy the sails and stop the ship that way with good old combat magic. Sails might not come cheap, but they are huge targets, easy to hit and easy to replace - heck, most ships have smaller replacement sails that are to be used in case the sails are lost in a storm.
Produce Flame - Cantrip
Producing a small flame at touch doesn't seem dangerous to a ship, right? Well, what if we get that flame to the sails? Then they are gone, the ship will slow. A magic talent that knows Produce Flame is not that hard to come by... so we can probably find a Goblin or Kobold talent that has the spell, strap them into a glider and use a catapult to accelerate them out to the ship. With the right aiming they get there, torch the sails and probably the ship, stopping them until the rest of the fleet arrives!
Fire Bolt - Cantrip
Having to hit the sails with our mages is too hard? Well, how about having them use Fire Bolt instead?
Scorching Ray - 2
Not enough? Use Scorching Ray!
Fireball - 3
Or up it to the classic fireball.
Call Lightning - 3
Do you know how scary lightning is for a ship? Especially if it is not accompanied by rain? Once we get a caster into range, the stormcloud's lightning can and will destroy the mast and cripple it, maybe even kill the crew.
Wind Wall - 3
Well, how about we look at the walls again? There's a wall of wind, and it is surprisingly low level. It is a very strong wind... well, just enough to slow the vessel due to the mass. But it will throw down the crew which will considerably slow the ship...
Wall of Fire - 4
Or occupy the whole crew firefighting and set the sails and mast aflame the same time with a wall of fire.
Ice Storm - 4
Or shoot at the sails with icy meteors from 300 feet away. That's really tempting...
Fabricate - 4
What are sails if not huge masses of clothes that want to be made? Use Fabricate and turn the propulsion of the enemy ship into rags and dresses, or into a fishing net ... if you get someone on board of the fleeing ship for 10 minutes.
How to get the caster there?
Well, we would need either a faster ship... or use the weather or night. Or the caster needs to fly. What did I suggest up there? Oh! Strap a glider to a kobold and use a siege engine as a starter? We'd shoot the caster several hundred feet forward per round... and probably give them a flight time of 3+ turns. That makes, even if we use a humble ballista, a range of something like 0.2 miles or more - extended range upon the spell's range that is! Then add a couple gust of wind, till the caster is in range of a dimensional door (500 feet) to land on the deck... it's not hard, just bring in the naval airwings... Or get a shark to ride for the caster to cling to till he is in range.
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Some of those spells are slightly dubious in effectiveness by rules as written. Take ice storm for example. Although it makes sense that it would punch holes through the sails, the spell description only mentions damaging creatures - not objects or vehicles.
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Don't forget that they don't want to damage the ship too much! Most of your options are doing some major disabling.
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– NautArch
Dec 18 '18 at 0:48
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Why isn't Wind Wall the top answer? Not only stopping, but reversing, the thing that makes the ship move in the first place sounds like step one.
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– Mazura
Dec 20 '18 at 1:31
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@Mazura Read the spell: the maximum thickness is 1 foot, and it does not affect large items as it does arrows.
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Why not Moby Dick it:
9th level Druid of the Moon:
Wildshape into a Killer Whale (Huge)... have one of your underlings cast Enlarge on you, which brings you to gargantuan. You're now a 60ft whale.
Judging from a replica 2 mast ship you are now nearly as long and weigh as much as the ship itself... just push it back to port.
Even without the enlargement, I'd expect you to have no trouble overcoming the push of a gust of wind.
If 9th level is too high (that's enough for 5th level spells), a 6th level Druid of the Moon can turn into a Plesiosaurus (large).
I'd bet even as a large creature you'd be able to immobilize the ship via biting onto the rudder and just swimming in the opposite direction. Bonus points because, with your dino neck, you can be under the boat where most of the passengers can't see/attack you... they may not even notice you're there if you're sneaky enough about it.
No material components, and you can mess with them for hours.
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Control water is probably your best bet
Control water is a 4th level spell accessible to several classes. It allows you to "control any freestanding water inside an area you choose that is a cube up to 100 feet on a side", which should hopefully be large enough to contain the target ship. Note that you can't move the area you're affecting, so make sure the ship doesn't leave that area.
Control water gives you a number of options that you could use to slow or stop the ship's progress. Most directly, you can redirect the flow to halt the ship's forward progress. (You might need to argue with your DM over whether open ocean counts as "flowing water" for this option.) The best option, however, is probably "part water". If the ship is in a shallow body of water, you can drop it on the river bed or sea floor, which will definitely immobilize it. Otherwise, all you need to do is part the top 5 or 10 feet of water1, and the ship will be trapped in the shallow "pit" of water you've created. This way of trapping the ship has the considerable advantage over most other methods that it does not cause any damage to the ship. It creates an area from which the ship cannot escape, but with "soft" walls made of liquid water that will not damage the ship when it crashes into them.
If you are concerned that the boat is moving too quickly and will be able to use its momentum to escape the shallow pit, you can also start with the "flood" option, which in open water creates "a 20-foot tall wave that travels from one side of the area to the other and then crashes down". The ship in question is certainly larger than Huge (15 feet), so the wave won't carry the ship backwards. (Bonus: it also won't capsize the ship.) But a couple of 20 foot waves crashing against the bow is certainly going to slow the ship's forward progress. Once the ship is slowed, switch to parting the water on the next round to trap it.
The duration of control water is 10 minutes, which should be enough time for a quick smash-and-grab style of pirating. If you need longer than that, spend those 10 minutes disabling the ship's means of locomotion (sails, oars, crewmen, etc.) so that it will be unable to flee once the spell ends.
1 Note: The spell says to choose a cube, and the "part water" option doesn't directly allow you to control the depth of the trench. If you target a cube in the water large enough to contain the ship, parting the water will drop the ship to the bottom of that cube, likely causing significant damage from falling to the ship and everything on it. However, you can control the depth of the parting water indirectly by choosing a cube that is mostly above the water level and only extends 5 or 10 feet downward into the water. This will limit the depth of the trench, since the spell only affects the water inside the cube.
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Control water is probably your best bet
Control water is a 4th level spell accessible to several classes. It allows you to "control any freestanding water inside an area you choose that is a cube up to 100 feet on a side", which should hopefully be large enough to contain the target ship. Note that you can't move the area you're affecting, so make sure the ship doesn't leave that area.
Control water gives you a number of options that you could use to slow or stop the ship's progress. Most directly, you can redirect the flow to halt the ship's forward progress. (You might need to argue with your DM over whether open ocean counts as "flowing water" for this option.) The best option, however, is probably "part water". If the ship is in a shallow body of water, you can drop it on the river bed or sea floor, which will definitely immobilize it. Otherwise, all you need to do is part the top 5 or 10 feet of water1, and the ship will be trapped in the shallow "pit" of water you've created. This way of trapping the ship has the considerable advantage over most other methods that it does not cause any damage to the ship. It creates an area from which the ship cannot escape, but with "soft" walls made of liquid water that will not damage the ship when it crashes into them.
If you are concerned that the boat is moving too quickly and will be able to use its momentum to escape the shallow pit, you can also start with the "flood" option, which in open water creates "a 20-foot tall wave that travels from one side of the area to the other and then crashes down". The ship in question is certainly larger than Huge (15 feet), so the wave won't carry the ship backwards. (Bonus: it also won't capsize the ship.) But a couple of 20 foot waves crashing against the bow is certainly going to slow the ship's forward progress. Once the ship is slowed, switch to parting the water on the next round to trap it.
The duration of control water is 10 minutes, which should be enough time for a quick smash-and-grab style of pirating. If you need longer than that, spend those 10 minutes disabling the ship's means of locomotion (sails, oars, crewmen, etc.) so that it will be unable to flee once the spell ends.
1 Note: The spell says to choose a cube, and the "part water" option doesn't directly allow you to control the depth of the trench. If you target a cube in the water large enough to contain the ship, parting the water will drop the ship to the bottom of that cube, likely causing significant damage from falling to the ship and everything on it. However, you can control the depth of the parting water indirectly by choosing a cube that is mostly above the water level and only extends 5 or 10 feet downward into the water. This will limit the depth of the trench, since the spell only affects the water inside the cube.
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Control water is probably your best bet
Control water is a 4th level spell accessible to several classes. It allows you to "control any freestanding water inside an area you choose that is a cube up to 100 feet on a side", which should hopefully be large enough to contain the target ship. Note that you can't move the area you're affecting, so make sure the ship doesn't leave that area.
Control water gives you a number of options that you could use to slow or stop the ship's progress. Most directly, you can redirect the flow to halt the ship's forward progress. (You might need to argue with your DM over whether open ocean counts as "flowing water" for this option.) The best option, however, is probably "part water". If the ship is in a shallow body of water, you can drop it on the river bed or sea floor, which will definitely immobilize it. Otherwise, all you need to do is part the top 5 or 10 feet of water1, and the ship will be trapped in the shallow "pit" of water you've created. This way of trapping the ship has the considerable advantage over most other methods that it does not cause any damage to the ship. It creates an area from which the ship cannot escape, but with "soft" walls made of liquid water that will not damage the ship when it crashes into them.
If you are concerned that the boat is moving too quickly and will be able to use its momentum to escape the shallow pit, you can also start with the "flood" option, which in open water creates "a 20-foot tall wave that travels from one side of the area to the other and then crashes down". The ship in question is certainly larger than Huge (15 feet), so the wave won't carry the ship backwards. (Bonus: it also won't capsize the ship.) But a couple of 20 foot waves crashing against the bow is certainly going to slow the ship's forward progress. Once the ship is slowed, switch to parting the water on the next round to trap it.
The duration of control water is 10 minutes, which should be enough time for a quick smash-and-grab style of pirating. If you need longer than that, spend those 10 minutes disabling the ship's means of locomotion (sails, oars, crewmen, etc.) so that it will be unable to flee once the spell ends.
1 Note: The spell says to choose a cube, and the "part water" option doesn't directly allow you to control the depth of the trench. If you target a cube in the water large enough to contain the ship, parting the water will drop the ship to the bottom of that cube, likely causing significant damage from falling to the ship and everything on it. However, you can control the depth of the parting water indirectly by choosing a cube that is mostly above the water level and only extends 5 or 10 feet downward into the water. This will limit the depth of the trench, since the spell only affects the water inside the cube.
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Control water is probably your best bet
Control water is a 4th level spell accessible to several classes. It allows you to "control any freestanding water inside an area you choose that is a cube up to 100 feet on a side", which should hopefully be large enough to contain the target ship. Note that you can't move the area you're affecting, so make sure the ship doesn't leave that area.
Control water gives you a number of options that you could use to slow or stop the ship's progress. Most directly, you can redirect the flow to halt the ship's forward progress. (You might need to argue with your DM over whether open ocean counts as "flowing water" for this option.) The best option, however, is probably "part water". If the ship is in a shallow body of water, you can drop it on the river bed or sea floor, which will definitely immobilize it. Otherwise, all you need to do is part the top 5 or 10 feet of water1, and the ship will be trapped in the shallow "pit" of water you've created. This way of trapping the ship has the considerable advantage over most other methods that it does not cause any damage to the ship. It creates an area from which the ship cannot escape, but with "soft" walls made of liquid water that will not damage the ship when it crashes into them.
If you are concerned that the boat is moving too quickly and will be able to use its momentum to escape the shallow pit, you can also start with the "flood" option, which in open water creates "a 20-foot tall wave that travels from one side of the area to the other and then crashes down". The ship in question is certainly larger than Huge (15 feet), so the wave won't carry the ship backwards. (Bonus: it also won't capsize the ship.) But a couple of 20 foot waves crashing against the bow is certainly going to slow the ship's forward progress. Once the ship is slowed, switch to parting the water on the next round to trap it.
The duration of control water is 10 minutes, which should be enough time for a quick smash-and-grab style of pirating. If you need longer than that, spend those 10 minutes disabling the ship's means of locomotion (sails, oars, crewmen, etc.) so that it will be unable to flee once the spell ends.
1 Note: The spell says to choose a cube, and the "part water" option doesn't directly allow you to control the depth of the trench. If you target a cube in the water large enough to contain the ship, parting the water will drop the ship to the bottom of that cube, likely causing significant damage from falling to the ship and everything on it. However, you can control the depth of the parting water indirectly by choosing a cube that is mostly above the water level and only extends 5 or 10 feet downward into the water. This will limit the depth of the trench, since the spell only affects the water inside the cube.
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Enlarge/Reduce
By casting the Reduce of Enlarge/Reduce, you will be able to do the following:
The target's size is halved in all dimensions, and its weight is reduced to one-eighth of normal.
Should you target the sails, that should hobble the ship enough to prevent movement, but also still make it easy for you to undo the effect and have a fully functioning ship.
Reducing the sails
This would likely cause the sails to fall as they no longer fit their rigging. Enlarging them again (or waiting the 1 minute for the spell to end), would just require the sailors to re-rig their ship. That's much more manageable from a simulationist perspective.
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Enlarge/Reduce
By casting the Reduce of Enlarge/Reduce, you will be able to do the following:
The target's size is halved in all dimensions, and its weight is reduced to one-eighth of normal.
Should you target the sails, that should hobble the ship enough to prevent movement, but also still make it easy for you to undo the effect and have a fully functioning ship.
Reducing the sails
This would likely cause the sails to fall as they no longer fit their rigging. Enlarging them again (or waiting the 1 minute for the spell to end), would just require the sailors to re-rig their ship. That's much more manageable from a simulationist perspective.
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Enlarge/Reduce
By casting the Reduce of Enlarge/Reduce, you will be able to do the following:
The target's size is halved in all dimensions, and its weight is reduced to one-eighth of normal.
Should you target the sails, that should hobble the ship enough to prevent movement, but also still make it easy for you to undo the effect and have a fully functioning ship.
Reducing the sails
This would likely cause the sails to fall as they no longer fit their rigging. Enlarging them again (or waiting the 1 minute for the spell to end), would just require the sailors to re-rig their ship. That's much more manageable from a simulationist perspective.
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Enlarge/Reduce
By casting the Reduce of Enlarge/Reduce, you will be able to do the following:
The target's size is halved in all dimensions, and its weight is reduced to one-eighth of normal.
Should you target the sails, that should hobble the ship enough to prevent movement, but also still make it easy for you to undo the effect and have a fully functioning ship.
Reducing the sails
This would likely cause the sails to fall as they no longer fit their rigging. Enlarging them again (or waiting the 1 minute for the spell to end), would just require the sailors to re-rig their ship. That's much more manageable from a simulationist perspective.
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Conjure Woodland Beings + Longstrider
Problem 1: Range
If you want to catch a ship, you need to be on a faster ship. At least, that's going to be your problem with spells like Control Water. You need to get within 300 ft. Line of sight on the open ocean depends on ship height, but let's just say it's 12 miles on a 100-ft crow's nest on a clear day. You're never getting close to a faster ship that doesn't want to get caught!
Problem 2: Duration
It's not enough to stun the ship. In fact, there's no such thing as stunning a ship. It's a bobbing bit of wood in the water whose crew rigged it so that the wind and currents tend to send it in a certain direction. Lots of spells can render a crew temporarily disabled or permanently dead, but the ship will keep sailing. For an extreme example of something in this vein, read about the Mary Celeste.
Even if you halt a ship with magic, that ship is halted only as long as the magic lasts. I believe Control Water should be able to halt a ship, but it only lasts 10 minutes. I assume you're stopping this ship so that another ship can board it. How far away is that other ship, again?
Incidentally and on the subject of duration, Gust of Wind has a duration of 1 minute. I'll assume that the players' ship either can maintain Gust of Wind for hours on end or has a high speed without Gust of Wind. Otherwise, a fast ship could overtake it without the use of magic.
The math of catching a ship
You need something that can outrun the players' ship and cut its sails. That slows them dramatically until they complete a doable but time-consuming repair. It also gives them an opportunity to use the Mending spell if anyone bothered to take it.
I've seen 5-8 knots listed as a typical speed for 19th century sailing vessels. 8 knots is 13.5 ft/s or 81 ft/round. Sprites with Longstrider have a fly speed of 50, so they can fly 100 ft/round by taking the Dash action. Quicklings have a walk speed of 120 ft, so with Water Walk and Longstrider, they can dash 260 ft across water per round.
Bottom line: even with the magical wind, it's a fast ship that can outrun Sprites with Longstrider, and Quicklings with Longstrider and Water Walk are even faster.
Note that this solution does require DM cooperation. Conjure Woodland Beings lets the caster pick a CR, and the DM picks X number of creature of that CR or lower to show up. The caster can ask for a particular creature or mix of creatures, but the DM has the final say on what creatures actually show up. My best guess is that a DM is meant to be generous about granting player requests, right up until the DM feels like it would make the game stupid (repeatedly conjuring Pixies to turn the whole party into Tyranosaurus Rexes is the classic example). As I understand it, though, you ARE the DM, so that's not a problem in this situation.
Example Encounter
Here's an example of what a level 8+ druid might do when his ship catches sight of your party's ship:
- Use Conjure Woodland Beings to summon 8 Sprites.
- Cast Longstrider on the Sprites (Longstrider doesn't require concentration, so you can do this).
- Instruct the Sprites to turn invisible, fly into the target
ship's rigging, and start cutting ropes. - Cast Animal Messenger on a seabird with fly speed 50. Send a message
to the target ship along the lines of "You will lay down arms and
surrender your vessel to [insert jurisdiction]." - Cast Water Breathing on self as a safety measure
- Jump overboard; Wildshape into a Giant Octopus and give chase, but hiding underwater
- When the sprites start destroying the rigging and the bird delivers its message, break the ship's rudder from underwater
The sprites will reappear the moment they start cutting ropes, and the ship's crew will kill them quickly thereafter. That's okay. Four cuts per mast should be plenty to cripple the ship's propulsion until the crew take the time to reset a bunch of stuff, and in the meantime your pursuing ship catches up.
If the players' ship puts up a fight when your ship catches up, remember that you're a giant octopus. Start dragging people overboard. This is particularly cruel, as there's no save against it. Every hit by a giant octopus is an automatic grapple. After a hit, all you have to do is move (rotate) so the victim is over the edge, and let them go.
Alternative
The example above is highly aggressive. If you want to build more tension, send only the sprites, then wait for your NPC's ship to catch up. "The rigging on your ship starts collapsing as sprites appear, cutting lines. You see a ship in the distance, slowly gaining on you."
Also, maybe you decide your druid doesn't have a ship, or maybe the players' ship is too fast for sprites to catch up within Conjure Woodland Beings' 1-hour duration. A level 8+ druid can get right on top of the players' ship by Wildshaping into a bird (I believe Giant Eagle with Longstrider is your fastest option), dropping into the water (with water breathing already on), and casting spells from underwater.
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Conjure Woodland Beings + Longstrider
Problem 1: Range
If you want to catch a ship, you need to be on a faster ship. At least, that's going to be your problem with spells like Control Water. You need to get within 300 ft. Line of sight on the open ocean depends on ship height, but let's just say it's 12 miles on a 100-ft crow's nest on a clear day. You're never getting close to a faster ship that doesn't want to get caught!
Problem 2: Duration
It's not enough to stun the ship. In fact, there's no such thing as stunning a ship. It's a bobbing bit of wood in the water whose crew rigged it so that the wind and currents tend to send it in a certain direction. Lots of spells can render a crew temporarily disabled or permanently dead, but the ship will keep sailing. For an extreme example of something in this vein, read about the Mary Celeste.
Even if you halt a ship with magic, that ship is halted only as long as the magic lasts. I believe Control Water should be able to halt a ship, but it only lasts 10 minutes. I assume you're stopping this ship so that another ship can board it. How far away is that other ship, again?
Incidentally and on the subject of duration, Gust of Wind has a duration of 1 minute. I'll assume that the players' ship either can maintain Gust of Wind for hours on end or has a high speed without Gust of Wind. Otherwise, a fast ship could overtake it without the use of magic.
The math of catching a ship
You need something that can outrun the players' ship and cut its sails. That slows them dramatically until they complete a doable but time-consuming repair. It also gives them an opportunity to use the Mending spell if anyone bothered to take it.
I've seen 5-8 knots listed as a typical speed for 19th century sailing vessels. 8 knots is 13.5 ft/s or 81 ft/round. Sprites with Longstrider have a fly speed of 50, so they can fly 100 ft/round by taking the Dash action. Quicklings have a walk speed of 120 ft, so with Water Walk and Longstrider, they can dash 260 ft across water per round.
Bottom line: even with the magical wind, it's a fast ship that can outrun Sprites with Longstrider, and Quicklings with Longstrider and Water Walk are even faster.
Note that this solution does require DM cooperation. Conjure Woodland Beings lets the caster pick a CR, and the DM picks X number of creature of that CR or lower to show up. The caster can ask for a particular creature or mix of creatures, but the DM has the final say on what creatures actually show up. My best guess is that a DM is meant to be generous about granting player requests, right up until the DM feels like it would make the game stupid (repeatedly conjuring Pixies to turn the whole party into Tyranosaurus Rexes is the classic example). As I understand it, though, you ARE the DM, so that's not a problem in this situation.
Example Encounter
Here's an example of what a level 8+ druid might do when his ship catches sight of your party's ship:
- Use Conjure Woodland Beings to summon 8 Sprites.
- Cast Longstrider on the Sprites (Longstrider doesn't require concentration, so you can do this).
- Instruct the Sprites to turn invisible, fly into the target
ship's rigging, and start cutting ropes. - Cast Animal Messenger on a seabird with fly speed 50. Send a message
to the target ship along the lines of "You will lay down arms and
surrender your vessel to [insert jurisdiction]." - Cast Water Breathing on self as a safety measure
- Jump overboard; Wildshape into a Giant Octopus and give chase, but hiding underwater
- When the sprites start destroying the rigging and the bird delivers its message, break the ship's rudder from underwater
The sprites will reappear the moment they start cutting ropes, and the ship's crew will kill them quickly thereafter. That's okay. Four cuts per mast should be plenty to cripple the ship's propulsion until the crew take the time to reset a bunch of stuff, and in the meantime your pursuing ship catches up.
If the players' ship puts up a fight when your ship catches up, remember that you're a giant octopus. Start dragging people overboard. This is particularly cruel, as there's no save against it. Every hit by a giant octopus is an automatic grapple. After a hit, all you have to do is move (rotate) so the victim is over the edge, and let them go.
Alternative
The example above is highly aggressive. If you want to build more tension, send only the sprites, then wait for your NPC's ship to catch up. "The rigging on your ship starts collapsing as sprites appear, cutting lines. You see a ship in the distance, slowly gaining on you."
Also, maybe you decide your druid doesn't have a ship, or maybe the players' ship is too fast for sprites to catch up within Conjure Woodland Beings' 1-hour duration. A level 8+ druid can get right on top of the players' ship by Wildshaping into a bird (I believe Giant Eagle with Longstrider is your fastest option), dropping into the water (with water breathing already on), and casting spells from underwater.
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Conjure Woodland Beings + Longstrider
Problem 1: Range
If you want to catch a ship, you need to be on a faster ship. At least, that's going to be your problem with spells like Control Water. You need to get within 300 ft. Line of sight on the open ocean depends on ship height, but let's just say it's 12 miles on a 100-ft crow's nest on a clear day. You're never getting close to a faster ship that doesn't want to get caught!
Problem 2: Duration
It's not enough to stun the ship. In fact, there's no such thing as stunning a ship. It's a bobbing bit of wood in the water whose crew rigged it so that the wind and currents tend to send it in a certain direction. Lots of spells can render a crew temporarily disabled or permanently dead, but the ship will keep sailing. For an extreme example of something in this vein, read about the Mary Celeste.
Even if you halt a ship with magic, that ship is halted only as long as the magic lasts. I believe Control Water should be able to halt a ship, but it only lasts 10 minutes. I assume you're stopping this ship so that another ship can board it. How far away is that other ship, again?
Incidentally and on the subject of duration, Gust of Wind has a duration of 1 minute. I'll assume that the players' ship either can maintain Gust of Wind for hours on end or has a high speed without Gust of Wind. Otherwise, a fast ship could overtake it without the use of magic.
The math of catching a ship
You need something that can outrun the players' ship and cut its sails. That slows them dramatically until they complete a doable but time-consuming repair. It also gives them an opportunity to use the Mending spell if anyone bothered to take it.
I've seen 5-8 knots listed as a typical speed for 19th century sailing vessels. 8 knots is 13.5 ft/s or 81 ft/round. Sprites with Longstrider have a fly speed of 50, so they can fly 100 ft/round by taking the Dash action. Quicklings have a walk speed of 120 ft, so with Water Walk and Longstrider, they can dash 260 ft across water per round.
Bottom line: even with the magical wind, it's a fast ship that can outrun Sprites with Longstrider, and Quicklings with Longstrider and Water Walk are even faster.
Note that this solution does require DM cooperation. Conjure Woodland Beings lets the caster pick a CR, and the DM picks X number of creature of that CR or lower to show up. The caster can ask for a particular creature or mix of creatures, but the DM has the final say on what creatures actually show up. My best guess is that a DM is meant to be generous about granting player requests, right up until the DM feels like it would make the game stupid (repeatedly conjuring Pixies to turn the whole party into Tyranosaurus Rexes is the classic example). As I understand it, though, you ARE the DM, so that's not a problem in this situation.
Example Encounter
Here's an example of what a level 8+ druid might do when his ship catches sight of your party's ship:
- Use Conjure Woodland Beings to summon 8 Sprites.
- Cast Longstrider on the Sprites (Longstrider doesn't require concentration, so you can do this).
- Instruct the Sprites to turn invisible, fly into the target
ship's rigging, and start cutting ropes. - Cast Animal Messenger on a seabird with fly speed 50. Send a message
to the target ship along the lines of "You will lay down arms and
surrender your vessel to [insert jurisdiction]." - Cast Water Breathing on self as a safety measure
- Jump overboard; Wildshape into a Giant Octopus and give chase, but hiding underwater
- When the sprites start destroying the rigging and the bird delivers its message, break the ship's rudder from underwater
The sprites will reappear the moment they start cutting ropes, and the ship's crew will kill them quickly thereafter. That's okay. Four cuts per mast should be plenty to cripple the ship's propulsion until the crew take the time to reset a bunch of stuff, and in the meantime your pursuing ship catches up.
If the players' ship puts up a fight when your ship catches up, remember that you're a giant octopus. Start dragging people overboard. This is particularly cruel, as there's no save against it. Every hit by a giant octopus is an automatic grapple. After a hit, all you have to do is move (rotate) so the victim is over the edge, and let them go.
Alternative
The example above is highly aggressive. If you want to build more tension, send only the sprites, then wait for your NPC's ship to catch up. "The rigging on your ship starts collapsing as sprites appear, cutting lines. You see a ship in the distance, slowly gaining on you."
Also, maybe you decide your druid doesn't have a ship, or maybe the players' ship is too fast for sprites to catch up within Conjure Woodland Beings' 1-hour duration. A level 8+ druid can get right on top of the players' ship by Wildshaping into a bird (I believe Giant Eagle with Longstrider is your fastest option), dropping into the water (with water breathing already on), and casting spells from underwater.
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Conjure Woodland Beings + Longstrider
Problem 1: Range
If you want to catch a ship, you need to be on a faster ship. At least, that's going to be your problem with spells like Control Water. You need to get within 300 ft. Line of sight on the open ocean depends on ship height, but let's just say it's 12 miles on a 100-ft crow's nest on a clear day. You're never getting close to a faster ship that doesn't want to get caught!
Problem 2: Duration
It's not enough to stun the ship. In fact, there's no such thing as stunning a ship. It's a bobbing bit of wood in the water whose crew rigged it so that the wind and currents tend to send it in a certain direction. Lots of spells can render a crew temporarily disabled or permanently dead, but the ship will keep sailing. For an extreme example of something in this vein, read about the Mary Celeste.
Even if you halt a ship with magic, that ship is halted only as long as the magic lasts. I believe Control Water should be able to halt a ship, but it only lasts 10 minutes. I assume you're stopping this ship so that another ship can board it. How far away is that other ship, again?
Incidentally and on the subject of duration, Gust of Wind has a duration of 1 minute. I'll assume that the players' ship either can maintain Gust of Wind for hours on end or has a high speed without Gust of Wind. Otherwise, a fast ship could overtake it without the use of magic.
The math of catching a ship
You need something that can outrun the players' ship and cut its sails. That slows them dramatically until they complete a doable but time-consuming repair. It also gives them an opportunity to use the Mending spell if anyone bothered to take it.
I've seen 5-8 knots listed as a typical speed for 19th century sailing vessels. 8 knots is 13.5 ft/s or 81 ft/round. Sprites with Longstrider have a fly speed of 50, so they can fly 100 ft/round by taking the Dash action. Quicklings have a walk speed of 120 ft, so with Water Walk and Longstrider, they can dash 260 ft across water per round.
Bottom line: even with the magical wind, it's a fast ship that can outrun Sprites with Longstrider, and Quicklings with Longstrider and Water Walk are even faster.
Note that this solution does require DM cooperation. Conjure Woodland Beings lets the caster pick a CR, and the DM picks X number of creature of that CR or lower to show up. The caster can ask for a particular creature or mix of creatures, but the DM has the final say on what creatures actually show up. My best guess is that a DM is meant to be generous about granting player requests, right up until the DM feels like it would make the game stupid (repeatedly conjuring Pixies to turn the whole party into Tyranosaurus Rexes is the classic example). As I understand it, though, you ARE the DM, so that's not a problem in this situation.
Example Encounter
Here's an example of what a level 8+ druid might do when his ship catches sight of your party's ship:
- Use Conjure Woodland Beings to summon 8 Sprites.
- Cast Longstrider on the Sprites (Longstrider doesn't require concentration, so you can do this).
- Instruct the Sprites to turn invisible, fly into the target
ship's rigging, and start cutting ropes. - Cast Animal Messenger on a seabird with fly speed 50. Send a message
to the target ship along the lines of "You will lay down arms and
surrender your vessel to [insert jurisdiction]." - Cast Water Breathing on self as a safety measure
- Jump overboard; Wildshape into a Giant Octopus and give chase, but hiding underwater
- When the sprites start destroying the rigging and the bird delivers its message, break the ship's rudder from underwater
The sprites will reappear the moment they start cutting ropes, and the ship's crew will kill them quickly thereafter. That's okay. Four cuts per mast should be plenty to cripple the ship's propulsion until the crew take the time to reset a bunch of stuff, and in the meantime your pursuing ship catches up.
If the players' ship puts up a fight when your ship catches up, remember that you're a giant octopus. Start dragging people overboard. This is particularly cruel, as there's no save against it. Every hit by a giant octopus is an automatic grapple. After a hit, all you have to do is move (rotate) so the victim is over the edge, and let them go.
Alternative
The example above is highly aggressive. If you want to build more tension, send only the sprites, then wait for your NPC's ship to catch up. "The rigging on your ship starts collapsing as sprites appear, cutting lines. You see a ship in the distance, slowly gaining on you."
Also, maybe you decide your druid doesn't have a ship, or maybe the players' ship is too fast for sprites to catch up within Conjure Woodland Beings' 1-hour duration. A level 8+ druid can get right on top of the players' ship by Wildshaping into a bird (I believe Giant Eagle with Longstrider is your fastest option), dropping into the water (with water breathing already on), and casting spells from underwater.
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Control Water
This spell affects a 100' cube of water. Either redirect flow to counter the effect of the winds and hold the ship in place with currents, or part water to ground the ship or at least put it at the bottom of a 100' hole in the water.
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Basically a conveyor belt made out of water, to counteract the movement of the ship? Is that spell precise enough to do it?
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@vsz c-aviation.net/plane-conveyor-belt-explained-debunked
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@aaaaaa : it has nothing to do with this question. The ship here is a sailing ship, without any aircraft engines. Maybe it could be relevant for a hovercraft or similar air-propeller driven vehicle, but for nothing else (and your link is already broken). Also, it was not about the vehicle taking off into the air.
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@vsz your comment reminded me of this old "problem" and i found it funny.
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Control Water
This spell affects a 100' cube of water. Either redirect flow to counter the effect of the winds and hold the ship in place with currents, or part water to ground the ship or at least put it at the bottom of a 100' hole in the water.
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Basically a conveyor belt made out of water, to counteract the movement of the ship? Is that spell precise enough to do it?
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– vsz
Dec 19 '18 at 7:08
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@vsz c-aviation.net/plane-conveyor-belt-explained-debunked
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@aaaaaa : it has nothing to do with this question. The ship here is a sailing ship, without any aircraft engines. Maybe it could be relevant for a hovercraft or similar air-propeller driven vehicle, but for nothing else (and your link is already broken). Also, it was not about the vehicle taking off into the air.
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@vsz your comment reminded me of this old "problem" and i found it funny.
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Control Water
This spell affects a 100' cube of water. Either redirect flow to counter the effect of the winds and hold the ship in place with currents, or part water to ground the ship or at least put it at the bottom of a 100' hole in the water.
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Control Water
This spell affects a 100' cube of water. Either redirect flow to counter the effect of the winds and hold the ship in place with currents, or part water to ground the ship or at least put it at the bottom of a 100' hole in the water.
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Basically a conveyor belt made out of water, to counteract the movement of the ship? Is that spell precise enough to do it?
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– vsz
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@vsz c-aviation.net/plane-conveyor-belt-explained-debunked
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@aaaaaa : it has nothing to do with this question. The ship here is a sailing ship, without any aircraft engines. Maybe it could be relevant for a hovercraft or similar air-propeller driven vehicle, but for nothing else (and your link is already broken). Also, it was not about the vehicle taking off into the air.
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@vsz your comment reminded me of this old "problem" and i found it funny.
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Basically a conveyor belt made out of water, to counteract the movement of the ship? Is that spell precise enough to do it?
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– vsz
Dec 19 '18 at 7:08
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@vsz c-aviation.net/plane-conveyor-belt-explained-debunked
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– aaaaaa
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@aaaaaa : it has nothing to do with this question. The ship here is a sailing ship, without any aircraft engines. Maybe it could be relevant for a hovercraft or similar air-propeller driven vehicle, but for nothing else (and your link is already broken). Also, it was not about the vehicle taking off into the air.
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@vsz your comment reminded me of this old "problem" and i found it funny.
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Basically a conveyor belt made out of water, to counteract the movement of the ship? Is that spell precise enough to do it?
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– vsz
Dec 19 '18 at 7:08
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Basically a conveyor belt made out of water, to counteract the movement of the ship? Is that spell precise enough to do it?
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– vsz
Dec 19 '18 at 7:08
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@vsz c-aviation.net/plane-conveyor-belt-explained-debunked
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– aaaaaa
Dec 20 '18 at 4:17
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@vsz c-aviation.net/plane-conveyor-belt-explained-debunked
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– aaaaaa
Dec 20 '18 at 4:17
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@aaaaaa : it has nothing to do with this question. The ship here is a sailing ship, without any aircraft engines. Maybe it could be relevant for a hovercraft or similar air-propeller driven vehicle, but for nothing else (and your link is already broken). Also, it was not about the vehicle taking off into the air.
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– vsz
Dec 20 '18 at 5:06
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@aaaaaa : it has nothing to do with this question. The ship here is a sailing ship, without any aircraft engines. Maybe it could be relevant for a hovercraft or similar air-propeller driven vehicle, but for nothing else (and your link is already broken). Also, it was not about the vehicle taking off into the air.
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– vsz
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@vsz your comment reminded me of this old "problem" and i found it funny.
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@vsz your comment reminded me of this old "problem" and i found it funny.
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Depending on how you want to approach it, hypnotic pattern could do the job. If enough crew members fail their save they will just be standing around doing nothing for a minute. Use that time to move in and tie them up.
Another option might be Otiluke's resilient sphere. Drop that around either the helm so they can't steer away, or whatever they use to raise the anchor.
If the crew on the ship aren't paying attention you might be able to block the ship with a few well placed floating discs. Cast enough of them under the sides of ship to support it's total weight just as the tide is about to go out. As soon as the water level has dropped enough the ship will no longer be in the water and thus be unable to sail away. You could also combo this with greater invisibility so that the caster isn't visible while they work.
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Or trick them into sailing in circles?
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Depending on how you want to approach it, hypnotic pattern could do the job. If enough crew members fail their save they will just be standing around doing nothing for a minute. Use that time to move in and tie them up.
Another option might be Otiluke's resilient sphere. Drop that around either the helm so they can't steer away, or whatever they use to raise the anchor.
If the crew on the ship aren't paying attention you might be able to block the ship with a few well placed floating discs. Cast enough of them under the sides of ship to support it's total weight just as the tide is about to go out. As soon as the water level has dropped enough the ship will no longer be in the water and thus be unable to sail away. You could also combo this with greater invisibility so that the caster isn't visible while they work.
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Or trick them into sailing in circles?
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Depending on how you want to approach it, hypnotic pattern could do the job. If enough crew members fail their save they will just be standing around doing nothing for a minute. Use that time to move in and tie them up.
Another option might be Otiluke's resilient sphere. Drop that around either the helm so they can't steer away, or whatever they use to raise the anchor.
If the crew on the ship aren't paying attention you might be able to block the ship with a few well placed floating discs. Cast enough of them under the sides of ship to support it's total weight just as the tide is about to go out. As soon as the water level has dropped enough the ship will no longer be in the water and thus be unable to sail away. You could also combo this with greater invisibility so that the caster isn't visible while they work.
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Depending on how you want to approach it, hypnotic pattern could do the job. If enough crew members fail their save they will just be standing around doing nothing for a minute. Use that time to move in and tie them up.
Another option might be Otiluke's resilient sphere. Drop that around either the helm so they can't steer away, or whatever they use to raise the anchor.
If the crew on the ship aren't paying attention you might be able to block the ship with a few well placed floating discs. Cast enough of them under the sides of ship to support it's total weight just as the tide is about to go out. As soon as the water level has dropped enough the ship will no longer be in the water and thus be unable to sail away. You could also combo this with greater invisibility so that the caster isn't visible while they work.
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Or trick them into sailing in circles?
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Or trick them into sailing in circles?
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Polymorph might work.
The caster could use Polymorph to turn himself or a minion of sufficient CR/level into a Giant Shark or Giant Crocodile. These are Huge beasts with swim speeds and high Strength scores. The polymorphed person could then Grapple the ship, effectively stopping it. If the Grapple was initiated beneath the surface of the water, it would be difficult for the PCs to target the polymorphed person for an attack. It might take some time for the PCs to even realize what had caused the ship to stop. They might think they had hit a reef instead of been grappled by a Huge creature, for example. The Polymorph spell requires concentration but lasts for a whole hour, which would make it effective as a stalling tactic.
If you decide Grappling a ship is not allowed (refer to @NautArch's comment), look at the Unearthed Arcana for Ships and the Sea, and use the Crashing rules.
If a ship moves into the space occupied by a creature or object, it might crash. A ship avoids crashing if the creature or object is at least two sizes smaller than it. When a ship crashes, it must immediately make a DC 10 Constitution saving throw. On a failed save, it takes damage to its hull based on the size of the creature or object it crashed into, as shown on the Crash Damage table. It also stops moving if the object or creature is bigger than it or one size smaller.
A Huge creature such as a Giant Crocodile or Giant Shark will always be at most 1 size smaller than a ship, which is Gargantuan at most. By repeatedly moving in front of the ship, the polymorphed person can force the ship to repeat saving throws until it crashes. The ship will then be forced to stop because a Huge creature is at most 1 size smaller than a ship.
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Can you grapple a vehicle? Also, only the Giant Crocodile actually has a grapple attack, the Giant Shark does not. But i'm unconvinced you can grapple a boat, especially one of this size without additional rules citations.
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@NautArch Perhaps a better approach would be to figure out the weight of the boat and compare it to the carrying/pushing capacity of the creatures?
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@RyanThompson Sure, but I can tell you before even getting started that it's going to be well beyond the capacity :) We're talking hundreds of tons at a minimum.
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@RyanThompson A brig, one of the more common two-mast large ships, weighs in at 480 tons. The pushing capacity for a Giant Shark is only 2,760 lbs. Even the strongest aquatic creatures in the game (The Kraken and Ancient Gold Dragon) can only push 7200 lbs . A schooner (technically a 2 mast ship) would be viable at around 1300 lbs, but those ships were designed to be as light as possible (and I would definitely not call one "large").
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I wonder if a better idea than trying to push/pull/block the ship would be to just smash the rudder. Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with how difficult it is to steer a large 2-masted ship with the sails alone. It's probably possible, but maybe not in the middle of a battle.
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Polymorph might work.
The caster could use Polymorph to turn himself or a minion of sufficient CR/level into a Giant Shark or Giant Crocodile. These are Huge beasts with swim speeds and high Strength scores. The polymorphed person could then Grapple the ship, effectively stopping it. If the Grapple was initiated beneath the surface of the water, it would be difficult for the PCs to target the polymorphed person for an attack. It might take some time for the PCs to even realize what had caused the ship to stop. They might think they had hit a reef instead of been grappled by a Huge creature, for example. The Polymorph spell requires concentration but lasts for a whole hour, which would make it effective as a stalling tactic.
If you decide Grappling a ship is not allowed (refer to @NautArch's comment), look at the Unearthed Arcana for Ships and the Sea, and use the Crashing rules.
If a ship moves into the space occupied by a creature or object, it might crash. A ship avoids crashing if the creature or object is at least two sizes smaller than it. When a ship crashes, it must immediately make a DC 10 Constitution saving throw. On a failed save, it takes damage to its hull based on the size of the creature or object it crashed into, as shown on the Crash Damage table. It also stops moving if the object or creature is bigger than it or one size smaller.
A Huge creature such as a Giant Crocodile or Giant Shark will always be at most 1 size smaller than a ship, which is Gargantuan at most. By repeatedly moving in front of the ship, the polymorphed person can force the ship to repeat saving throws until it crashes. The ship will then be forced to stop because a Huge creature is at most 1 size smaller than a ship.
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Can you grapple a vehicle? Also, only the Giant Crocodile actually has a grapple attack, the Giant Shark does not. But i'm unconvinced you can grapple a boat, especially one of this size without additional rules citations.
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@NautArch Perhaps a better approach would be to figure out the weight of the boat and compare it to the carrying/pushing capacity of the creatures?
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– Ryan Thompson
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@RyanThompson Sure, but I can tell you before even getting started that it's going to be well beyond the capacity :) We're talking hundreds of tons at a minimum.
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– NautArch
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@RyanThompson A brig, one of the more common two-mast large ships, weighs in at 480 tons. The pushing capacity for a Giant Shark is only 2,760 lbs. Even the strongest aquatic creatures in the game (The Kraken and Ancient Gold Dragon) can only push 7200 lbs . A schooner (technically a 2 mast ship) would be viable at around 1300 lbs, but those ships were designed to be as light as possible (and I would definitely not call one "large").
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I wonder if a better idea than trying to push/pull/block the ship would be to just smash the rudder. Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with how difficult it is to steer a large 2-masted ship with the sails alone. It's probably possible, but maybe not in the middle of a battle.
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Polymorph might work.
The caster could use Polymorph to turn himself or a minion of sufficient CR/level into a Giant Shark or Giant Crocodile. These are Huge beasts with swim speeds and high Strength scores. The polymorphed person could then Grapple the ship, effectively stopping it. If the Grapple was initiated beneath the surface of the water, it would be difficult for the PCs to target the polymorphed person for an attack. It might take some time for the PCs to even realize what had caused the ship to stop. They might think they had hit a reef instead of been grappled by a Huge creature, for example. The Polymorph spell requires concentration but lasts for a whole hour, which would make it effective as a stalling tactic.
If you decide Grappling a ship is not allowed (refer to @NautArch's comment), look at the Unearthed Arcana for Ships and the Sea, and use the Crashing rules.
If a ship moves into the space occupied by a creature or object, it might crash. A ship avoids crashing if the creature or object is at least two sizes smaller than it. When a ship crashes, it must immediately make a DC 10 Constitution saving throw. On a failed save, it takes damage to its hull based on the size of the creature or object it crashed into, as shown on the Crash Damage table. It also stops moving if the object or creature is bigger than it or one size smaller.
A Huge creature such as a Giant Crocodile or Giant Shark will always be at most 1 size smaller than a ship, which is Gargantuan at most. By repeatedly moving in front of the ship, the polymorphed person can force the ship to repeat saving throws until it crashes. The ship will then be forced to stop because a Huge creature is at most 1 size smaller than a ship.
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Polymorph might work.
The caster could use Polymorph to turn himself or a minion of sufficient CR/level into a Giant Shark or Giant Crocodile. These are Huge beasts with swim speeds and high Strength scores. The polymorphed person could then Grapple the ship, effectively stopping it. If the Grapple was initiated beneath the surface of the water, it would be difficult for the PCs to target the polymorphed person for an attack. It might take some time for the PCs to even realize what had caused the ship to stop. They might think they had hit a reef instead of been grappled by a Huge creature, for example. The Polymorph spell requires concentration but lasts for a whole hour, which would make it effective as a stalling tactic.
If you decide Grappling a ship is not allowed (refer to @NautArch's comment), look at the Unearthed Arcana for Ships and the Sea, and use the Crashing rules.
If a ship moves into the space occupied by a creature or object, it might crash. A ship avoids crashing if the creature or object is at least two sizes smaller than it. When a ship crashes, it must immediately make a DC 10 Constitution saving throw. On a failed save, it takes damage to its hull based on the size of the creature or object it crashed into, as shown on the Crash Damage table. It also stops moving if the object or creature is bigger than it or one size smaller.
A Huge creature such as a Giant Crocodile or Giant Shark will always be at most 1 size smaller than a ship, which is Gargantuan at most. By repeatedly moving in front of the ship, the polymorphed person can force the ship to repeat saving throws until it crashes. The ship will then be forced to stop because a Huge creature is at most 1 size smaller than a ship.
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Can you grapple a vehicle? Also, only the Giant Crocodile actually has a grapple attack, the Giant Shark does not. But i'm unconvinced you can grapple a boat, especially one of this size without additional rules citations.
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@NautArch Perhaps a better approach would be to figure out the weight of the boat and compare it to the carrying/pushing capacity of the creatures?
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– Ryan Thompson
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@RyanThompson Sure, but I can tell you before even getting started that it's going to be well beyond the capacity :) We're talking hundreds of tons at a minimum.
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@RyanThompson A brig, one of the more common two-mast large ships, weighs in at 480 tons. The pushing capacity for a Giant Shark is only 2,760 lbs. Even the strongest aquatic creatures in the game (The Kraken and Ancient Gold Dragon) can only push 7200 lbs . A schooner (technically a 2 mast ship) would be viable at around 1300 lbs, but those ships were designed to be as light as possible (and I would definitely not call one "large").
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I wonder if a better idea than trying to push/pull/block the ship would be to just smash the rudder. Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with how difficult it is to steer a large 2-masted ship with the sails alone. It's probably possible, but maybe not in the middle of a battle.
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Can you grapple a vehicle? Also, only the Giant Crocodile actually has a grapple attack, the Giant Shark does not. But i'm unconvinced you can grapple a boat, especially one of this size without additional rules citations.
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– NautArch
Dec 17 '18 at 17:58
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@NautArch Perhaps a better approach would be to figure out the weight of the boat and compare it to the carrying/pushing capacity of the creatures?
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– Ryan Thompson
Dec 17 '18 at 19:21
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@RyanThompson Sure, but I can tell you before even getting started that it's going to be well beyond the capacity :) We're talking hundreds of tons at a minimum.
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– NautArch
Dec 17 '18 at 19:40
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@RyanThompson A brig, one of the more common two-mast large ships, weighs in at 480 tons. The pushing capacity for a Giant Shark is only 2,760 lbs. Even the strongest aquatic creatures in the game (The Kraken and Ancient Gold Dragon) can only push 7200 lbs . A schooner (technically a 2 mast ship) would be viable at around 1300 lbs, but those ships were designed to be as light as possible (and I would definitely not call one "large").
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– David Coffron
Dec 17 '18 at 22:28
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I wonder if a better idea than trying to push/pull/block the ship would be to just smash the rudder. Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with how difficult it is to steer a large 2-masted ship with the sails alone. It's probably possible, but maybe not in the middle of a battle.
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– Ryan Thompson
Dec 19 '18 at 6:09
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Can you grapple a vehicle? Also, only the Giant Crocodile actually has a grapple attack, the Giant Shark does not. But i'm unconvinced you can grapple a boat, especially one of this size without additional rules citations.
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– NautArch
Dec 17 '18 at 17:58
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Can you grapple a vehicle? Also, only the Giant Crocodile actually has a grapple attack, the Giant Shark does not. But i'm unconvinced you can grapple a boat, especially one of this size without additional rules citations.
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– NautArch
Dec 17 '18 at 17:58
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@NautArch Perhaps a better approach would be to figure out the weight of the boat and compare it to the carrying/pushing capacity of the creatures?
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– Ryan Thompson
Dec 17 '18 at 19:21
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@NautArch Perhaps a better approach would be to figure out the weight of the boat and compare it to the carrying/pushing capacity of the creatures?
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– Ryan Thompson
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@RyanThompson Sure, but I can tell you before even getting started that it's going to be well beyond the capacity :) We're talking hundreds of tons at a minimum.
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– NautArch
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@RyanThompson Sure, but I can tell you before even getting started that it's going to be well beyond the capacity :) We're talking hundreds of tons at a minimum.
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@RyanThompson A brig, one of the more common two-mast large ships, weighs in at 480 tons. The pushing capacity for a Giant Shark is only 2,760 lbs. Even the strongest aquatic creatures in the game (The Kraken and Ancient Gold Dragon) can only push 7200 lbs . A schooner (technically a 2 mast ship) would be viable at around 1300 lbs, but those ships were designed to be as light as possible (and I would definitely not call one "large").
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– David Coffron
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@RyanThompson A brig, one of the more common two-mast large ships, weighs in at 480 tons. The pushing capacity for a Giant Shark is only 2,760 lbs. Even the strongest aquatic creatures in the game (The Kraken and Ancient Gold Dragon) can only push 7200 lbs . A schooner (technically a 2 mast ship) would be viable at around 1300 lbs, but those ships were designed to be as light as possible (and I would definitely not call one "large").
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I wonder if a better idea than trying to push/pull/block the ship would be to just smash the rudder. Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with how difficult it is to steer a large 2-masted ship with the sails alone. It's probably possible, but maybe not in the middle of a battle.
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I wonder if a better idea than trying to push/pull/block the ship would be to just smash the rudder. Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with how difficult it is to steer a large 2-masted ship with the sails alone. It's probably possible, but maybe not in the middle of a battle.
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Quaal's Anchor Feather Token
I'm aware that you are looking for a spell and the other answers have looked at spells in considerable depth. However, there is a particular magic item which performs precisely the task you want and I feel this question would be incomplete if I did not mention it.
Quaal's Feather Token (DMG p. 188)
Wondrous item, rare
Anchor. You can use an action to touch the token to a boat or ship. For the next 24 hours, the vessel can't be moved by any means. Touching the token to the vessel again ends the effect. When the effect ends, the token disappears.
Quaal's feather tokens appear on Magic Item Table C (DMG p. 145), which also contains 4th and 5th level spell scrolls, so by that metric it is roughly on par with 4th level spells. Additionally, Magic Item Table C is a valid treasure hoard result for monsters of CR 0-4 (DMG p. 137), so it is well within the means of an 8th level character to possess a feather token.
Depending on the abundance of magic items in your setting, if this is an NPC tasked by a port to chase down pirates it would make perfect sense for them to have magic items which would specifically help in that task. It may even be that the port authority has wizards or artificers who make anchor feather tokens, because being able to prevent a ship from disembarking would be something that is very useful for a port authority.
There are three advantages of the feather token. It has a duration of up to 24 hours (or until someone uses the token to reverse the effect) and does not require concentration, which is better than any spell. It completely blocks movement of the ship and does not damage the ship, unlike some spells which only inhibit the movement of the ship or which risk sinking the ship. And it can be used by anyone, not just a mid-level spellcaster (who would be rather expensive for the port to hire).
There are two disadvantages here, though. One is that the token has a range of touch. This means that the NPC (or their lackeys) need to get close enough to the ship to touch it. However, a bird animal companion should be able to use a feather token, so this is not too difficult to achieve. The other downside is that a consumable rare magic item may be considered to have a value greater than 100 gp (the very crude metrics in DMG p. 135 suggest its value is between 250 gp and 2500 gp; I would lean towards the lower end of this range for feather tokens). However, if your port authority really wants to stop these 'pirates', then they would be willing to spend some extra cash to get the job done properly.
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Quaal's Anchor Feather Token
I'm aware that you are looking for a spell and the other answers have looked at spells in considerable depth. However, there is a particular magic item which performs precisely the task you want and I feel this question would be incomplete if I did not mention it.
Quaal's Feather Token (DMG p. 188)
Wondrous item, rare
Anchor. You can use an action to touch the token to a boat or ship. For the next 24 hours, the vessel can't be moved by any means. Touching the token to the vessel again ends the effect. When the effect ends, the token disappears.
Quaal's feather tokens appear on Magic Item Table C (DMG p. 145), which also contains 4th and 5th level spell scrolls, so by that metric it is roughly on par with 4th level spells. Additionally, Magic Item Table C is a valid treasure hoard result for monsters of CR 0-4 (DMG p. 137), so it is well within the means of an 8th level character to possess a feather token.
Depending on the abundance of magic items in your setting, if this is an NPC tasked by a port to chase down pirates it would make perfect sense for them to have magic items which would specifically help in that task. It may even be that the port authority has wizards or artificers who make anchor feather tokens, because being able to prevent a ship from disembarking would be something that is very useful for a port authority.
There are three advantages of the feather token. It has a duration of up to 24 hours (or until someone uses the token to reverse the effect) and does not require concentration, which is better than any spell. It completely blocks movement of the ship and does not damage the ship, unlike some spells which only inhibit the movement of the ship or which risk sinking the ship. And it can be used by anyone, not just a mid-level spellcaster (who would be rather expensive for the port to hire).
There are two disadvantages here, though. One is that the token has a range of touch. This means that the NPC (or their lackeys) need to get close enough to the ship to touch it. However, a bird animal companion should be able to use a feather token, so this is not too difficult to achieve. The other downside is that a consumable rare magic item may be considered to have a value greater than 100 gp (the very crude metrics in DMG p. 135 suggest its value is between 250 gp and 2500 gp; I would lean towards the lower end of this range for feather tokens). However, if your port authority really wants to stop these 'pirates', then they would be willing to spend some extra cash to get the job done properly.
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Quaal's Anchor Feather Token
I'm aware that you are looking for a spell and the other answers have looked at spells in considerable depth. However, there is a particular magic item which performs precisely the task you want and I feel this question would be incomplete if I did not mention it.
Quaal's Feather Token (DMG p. 188)
Wondrous item, rare
Anchor. You can use an action to touch the token to a boat or ship. For the next 24 hours, the vessel can't be moved by any means. Touching the token to the vessel again ends the effect. When the effect ends, the token disappears.
Quaal's feather tokens appear on Magic Item Table C (DMG p. 145), which also contains 4th and 5th level spell scrolls, so by that metric it is roughly on par with 4th level spells. Additionally, Magic Item Table C is a valid treasure hoard result for monsters of CR 0-4 (DMG p. 137), so it is well within the means of an 8th level character to possess a feather token.
Depending on the abundance of magic items in your setting, if this is an NPC tasked by a port to chase down pirates it would make perfect sense for them to have magic items which would specifically help in that task. It may even be that the port authority has wizards or artificers who make anchor feather tokens, because being able to prevent a ship from disembarking would be something that is very useful for a port authority.
There are three advantages of the feather token. It has a duration of up to 24 hours (or until someone uses the token to reverse the effect) and does not require concentration, which is better than any spell. It completely blocks movement of the ship and does not damage the ship, unlike some spells which only inhibit the movement of the ship or which risk sinking the ship. And it can be used by anyone, not just a mid-level spellcaster (who would be rather expensive for the port to hire).
There are two disadvantages here, though. One is that the token has a range of touch. This means that the NPC (or their lackeys) need to get close enough to the ship to touch it. However, a bird animal companion should be able to use a feather token, so this is not too difficult to achieve. The other downside is that a consumable rare magic item may be considered to have a value greater than 100 gp (the very crude metrics in DMG p. 135 suggest its value is between 250 gp and 2500 gp; I would lean towards the lower end of this range for feather tokens). However, if your port authority really wants to stop these 'pirates', then they would be willing to spend some extra cash to get the job done properly.
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Quaal's Anchor Feather Token
I'm aware that you are looking for a spell and the other answers have looked at spells in considerable depth. However, there is a particular magic item which performs precisely the task you want and I feel this question would be incomplete if I did not mention it.
Quaal's Feather Token (DMG p. 188)
Wondrous item, rare
Anchor. You can use an action to touch the token to a boat or ship. For the next 24 hours, the vessel can't be moved by any means. Touching the token to the vessel again ends the effect. When the effect ends, the token disappears.
Quaal's feather tokens appear on Magic Item Table C (DMG p. 145), which also contains 4th and 5th level spell scrolls, so by that metric it is roughly on par with 4th level spells. Additionally, Magic Item Table C is a valid treasure hoard result for monsters of CR 0-4 (DMG p. 137), so it is well within the means of an 8th level character to possess a feather token.
Depending on the abundance of magic items in your setting, if this is an NPC tasked by a port to chase down pirates it would make perfect sense for them to have magic items which would specifically help in that task. It may even be that the port authority has wizards or artificers who make anchor feather tokens, because being able to prevent a ship from disembarking would be something that is very useful for a port authority.
There are three advantages of the feather token. It has a duration of up to 24 hours (or until someone uses the token to reverse the effect) and does not require concentration, which is better than any spell. It completely blocks movement of the ship and does not damage the ship, unlike some spells which only inhibit the movement of the ship or which risk sinking the ship. And it can be used by anyone, not just a mid-level spellcaster (who would be rather expensive for the port to hire).
There are two disadvantages here, though. One is that the token has a range of touch. This means that the NPC (or their lackeys) need to get close enough to the ship to touch it. However, a bird animal companion should be able to use a feather token, so this is not too difficult to achieve. The other downside is that a consumable rare magic item may be considered to have a value greater than 100 gp (the very crude metrics in DMG p. 135 suggest its value is between 250 gp and 2500 gp; I would lean towards the lower end of this range for feather tokens). However, if your port authority really wants to stop these 'pirates', then they would be willing to spend some extra cash to get the job done properly.
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With an 8th level wizard1, Fabricate solves the problem
Turn the sails into fishnets, or into macrame hammocks. The ship goes nowhere. If there is a question as to whether or not canvas can be made into net, that's where the macrame comes in. It's cloth (well, yarn/thread) which is what sails / canvas are made from as a raw material. The trick is to stay within range (120 ') for the whole casting time.
Fabricate
Casting Time: 10 minutes / Range: 120 feet /
You convert raw materials into products of the same material. For example, you can fabricate a wooden bridge from a clump of trees, a rope from a patch
of hemp, and clothes from flax or wool. Choose raw materials that you
can see within range. {snip} The quality of objects made by the spell is commensurate with the quality of the raw materials.
Nets don't hold wind.
Once you have the ship, you can change them back in to sails.
No damage done, and Bob's your uncle.
1 Or a Bard with magical secrets, or using a couple of scrolls, or a scroll and a ring of spell storing ...
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I would question whether sails can properly be considered "raw materials". The example given in the spell for creating something from fabric starts with raw materials of wool or flax, not some other product made of fabric. (That said, "stop that wizard before he turns our sails into hammocks" might make for an interesting encounter scenario.)
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– Ryan Thompson
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@RyanThompson As I am not questioning that, since they are both made from the same raw material, I appreciate your point but I think it takes a very severe case of "I can't unless the rules say so" approach to rule that way. As with a lot of stuff, this may vary with the DM. Such is 5e, and it works for me. I can see a ruling going the other way, and would honor such also.
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– KorvinStarmast
Dec 18 '18 at 2:08
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Aren't sails nothing but cloth? And isn't cloth a raw material for clothes?
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– M.Herzkamp
Dec 19 '18 at 11:52
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@M.Herzkamp cloth is made from thread, which is made from plant fiber; plant fiber is the raw material of rope as well. (Certainly the thin ropes that are knotted together to make a net).
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Dec 19 '18 at 11:55
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With an 8th level wizard1, Fabricate solves the problem
Turn the sails into fishnets, or into macrame hammocks. The ship goes nowhere. If there is a question as to whether or not canvas can be made into net, that's where the macrame comes in. It's cloth (well, yarn/thread) which is what sails / canvas are made from as a raw material. The trick is to stay within range (120 ') for the whole casting time.
Fabricate
Casting Time: 10 minutes / Range: 120 feet /
You convert raw materials into products of the same material. For example, you can fabricate a wooden bridge from a clump of trees, a rope from a patch
of hemp, and clothes from flax or wool. Choose raw materials that you
can see within range. {snip} The quality of objects made by the spell is commensurate with the quality of the raw materials.
Nets don't hold wind.
Once you have the ship, you can change them back in to sails.
No damage done, and Bob's your uncle.
1 Or a Bard with magical secrets, or using a couple of scrolls, or a scroll and a ring of spell storing ...
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I would question whether sails can properly be considered "raw materials". The example given in the spell for creating something from fabric starts with raw materials of wool or flax, not some other product made of fabric. (That said, "stop that wizard before he turns our sails into hammocks" might make for an interesting encounter scenario.)
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– Ryan Thompson
Dec 18 '18 at 2:01
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@RyanThompson As I am not questioning that, since they are both made from the same raw material, I appreciate your point but I think it takes a very severe case of "I can't unless the rules say so" approach to rule that way. As with a lot of stuff, this may vary with the DM. Such is 5e, and it works for me. I can see a ruling going the other way, and would honor such also.
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– KorvinStarmast
Dec 18 '18 at 2:08
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Aren't sails nothing but cloth? And isn't cloth a raw material for clothes?
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– M.Herzkamp
Dec 19 '18 at 11:52
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@M.Herzkamp cloth is made from thread, which is made from plant fiber; plant fiber is the raw material of rope as well. (Certainly the thin ropes that are knotted together to make a net).
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– KorvinStarmast
Dec 19 '18 at 11:55
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With an 8th level wizard1, Fabricate solves the problem
Turn the sails into fishnets, or into macrame hammocks. The ship goes nowhere. If there is a question as to whether or not canvas can be made into net, that's where the macrame comes in. It's cloth (well, yarn/thread) which is what sails / canvas are made from as a raw material. The trick is to stay within range (120 ') for the whole casting time.
Fabricate
Casting Time: 10 minutes / Range: 120 feet /
You convert raw materials into products of the same material. For example, you can fabricate a wooden bridge from a clump of trees, a rope from a patch
of hemp, and clothes from flax or wool. Choose raw materials that you
can see within range. {snip} The quality of objects made by the spell is commensurate with the quality of the raw materials.
Nets don't hold wind.
Once you have the ship, you can change them back in to sails.
No damage done, and Bob's your uncle.
1 Or a Bard with magical secrets, or using a couple of scrolls, or a scroll and a ring of spell storing ...
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With an 8th level wizard1, Fabricate solves the problem
Turn the sails into fishnets, or into macrame hammocks. The ship goes nowhere. If there is a question as to whether or not canvas can be made into net, that's where the macrame comes in. It's cloth (well, yarn/thread) which is what sails / canvas are made from as a raw material. The trick is to stay within range (120 ') for the whole casting time.
Fabricate
Casting Time: 10 minutes / Range: 120 feet /
You convert raw materials into products of the same material. For example, you can fabricate a wooden bridge from a clump of trees, a rope from a patch
of hemp, and clothes from flax or wool. Choose raw materials that you
can see within range. {snip} The quality of objects made by the spell is commensurate with the quality of the raw materials.
Nets don't hold wind.
Once you have the ship, you can change them back in to sails.
No damage done, and Bob's your uncle.
1 Or a Bard with magical secrets, or using a couple of scrolls, or a scroll and a ring of spell storing ...
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I would question whether sails can properly be considered "raw materials". The example given in the spell for creating something from fabric starts with raw materials of wool or flax, not some other product made of fabric. (That said, "stop that wizard before he turns our sails into hammocks" might make for an interesting encounter scenario.)
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– Ryan Thompson
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@RyanThompson As I am not questioning that, since they are both made from the same raw material, I appreciate your point but I think it takes a very severe case of "I can't unless the rules say so" approach to rule that way. As with a lot of stuff, this may vary with the DM. Such is 5e, and it works for me. I can see a ruling going the other way, and would honor such also.
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– KorvinStarmast
Dec 18 '18 at 2:08
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Aren't sails nothing but cloth? And isn't cloth a raw material for clothes?
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– M.Herzkamp
Dec 19 '18 at 11:52
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@M.Herzkamp cloth is made from thread, which is made from plant fiber; plant fiber is the raw material of rope as well. (Certainly the thin ropes that are knotted together to make a net).
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– KorvinStarmast
Dec 19 '18 at 11:55
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I would question whether sails can properly be considered "raw materials". The example given in the spell for creating something from fabric starts with raw materials of wool or flax, not some other product made of fabric. (That said, "stop that wizard before he turns our sails into hammocks" might make for an interesting encounter scenario.)
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– Ryan Thompson
Dec 18 '18 at 2:01
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@RyanThompson As I am not questioning that, since they are both made from the same raw material, I appreciate your point but I think it takes a very severe case of "I can't unless the rules say so" approach to rule that way. As with a lot of stuff, this may vary with the DM. Such is 5e, and it works for me. I can see a ruling going the other way, and would honor such also.
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– KorvinStarmast
Dec 18 '18 at 2:08
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Aren't sails nothing but cloth? And isn't cloth a raw material for clothes?
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– M.Herzkamp
Dec 19 '18 at 11:52
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@M.Herzkamp cloth is made from thread, which is made from plant fiber; plant fiber is the raw material of rope as well. (Certainly the thin ropes that are knotted together to make a net).
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– KorvinStarmast
Dec 19 '18 at 11:55
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I would question whether sails can properly be considered "raw materials". The example given in the spell for creating something from fabric starts with raw materials of wool or flax, not some other product made of fabric. (That said, "stop that wizard before he turns our sails into hammocks" might make for an interesting encounter scenario.)
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– Ryan Thompson
Dec 18 '18 at 2:01
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I would question whether sails can properly be considered "raw materials". The example given in the spell for creating something from fabric starts with raw materials of wool or flax, not some other product made of fabric. (That said, "stop that wizard before he turns our sails into hammocks" might make for an interesting encounter scenario.)
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– Ryan Thompson
Dec 18 '18 at 2:01
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@RyanThompson As I am not questioning that, since they are both made from the same raw material, I appreciate your point but I think it takes a very severe case of "I can't unless the rules say so" approach to rule that way. As with a lot of stuff, this may vary with the DM. Such is 5e, and it works for me. I can see a ruling going the other way, and would honor such also.
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– KorvinStarmast
Dec 18 '18 at 2:08
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@RyanThompson As I am not questioning that, since they are both made from the same raw material, I appreciate your point but I think it takes a very severe case of "I can't unless the rules say so" approach to rule that way. As with a lot of stuff, this may vary with the DM. Such is 5e, and it works for me. I can see a ruling going the other way, and would honor such also.
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– KorvinStarmast
Dec 18 '18 at 2:08
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Aren't sails nothing but cloth? And isn't cloth a raw material for clothes?
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– M.Herzkamp
Dec 19 '18 at 11:52
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Aren't sails nothing but cloth? And isn't cloth a raw material for clothes?
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– M.Herzkamp
Dec 19 '18 at 11:52
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@M.Herzkamp cloth is made from thread, which is made from plant fiber; plant fiber is the raw material of rope as well. (Certainly the thin ropes that are knotted together to make a net).
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– KorvinStarmast
Dec 19 '18 at 11:55
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@M.Herzkamp cloth is made from thread, which is made from plant fiber; plant fiber is the raw material of rope as well. (Certainly the thin ropes that are knotted together to make a net).
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– KorvinStarmast
Dec 19 '18 at 11:55
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The real stoppers come only at 5+ level, so let's start with looking at them. Oh, slight note: most of these cost little to nothing in components.
Wall of Force - 5
If it is just to stop the ship here and there, creating a magic reef in the shape of a Wall of force will stop the ship in their tracks within moments. Granted, the ship will be a wreck afterward and sink if you hit it below the shoreline.
That is unless you are smart and place the wall of force about 4 feet over the main deck in the way of the ship and cap away the masts, knock over all sailors on deck and destroy the steering without sinking the ship. Well, 120 feet range means we need some way to get someone into range.
Disintegrate - 6
A ship is huge, but if it has a 10-foot hole in the bow, it will start to leak and sink, no longer moving forward. But if you aim for the masts, it will just slow down and halt. And be a sitting duck. The problem is, you need to get within 60 feet - that's even more limited than demasting with a Wall of Force.
Ok, we got the two big showstoppers out, so, let's get creative and try to destroy the sails and stop the ship that way with good old combat magic. Sails might not come cheap, but they are huge targets, easy to hit and easy to replace - heck, most ships have smaller replacement sails that are to be used in case the sails are lost in a storm.
Produce Flame - Cantrip
Producing a small flame at touch doesn't seem dangerous to a ship, right? Well, what if we get that flame to the sails? Then they are gone, the ship will slow. A magic talent that knows Produce Flame is not that hard to come by... so we can probably find a Goblin or Kobold talent that has the spell, strap them into a glider and use a catapult to accelerate them out to the ship. With the right aiming they get there, torch the sails and probably the ship, stopping them until the rest of the fleet arrives!
Fire Bolt - Cantrip
Having to hit the sails with our mages is too hard? Well, how about having them use Fire Bolt instead?
Scorching Ray - 2
Not enough? Use Scorching Ray!
Fireball - 3
Or up it to the classic fireball.
Call Lightning - 3
Do you know how scary lightning is for a ship? Especially if it is not accompanied by rain? Once we get a caster into range, the stormcloud's lightning can and will destroy the mast and cripple it, maybe even kill the crew.
Wind Wall - 3
Well, how about we look at the walls again? There's a wall of wind, and it is surprisingly low level. It is a very strong wind... well, just enough to slow the vessel due to the mass. But it will throw down the crew which will considerably slow the ship...
Wall of Fire - 4
Or occupy the whole crew firefighting and set the sails and mast aflame the same time with a wall of fire.
Ice Storm - 4
Or shoot at the sails with icy meteors from 300 feet away. That's really tempting...
Fabricate - 4
What are sails if not huge masses of clothes that want to be made? Use Fabricate and turn the propulsion of the enemy ship into rags and dresses, or into a fishing net ... if you get someone on board of the fleeing ship for 10 minutes.
How to get the caster there?
Well, we would need either a faster ship... or use the weather or night. Or the caster needs to fly. What did I suggest up there? Oh! Strap a glider to a kobold and use a siege engine as a starter? We'd shoot the caster several hundred feet forward per round... and probably give them a flight time of 3+ turns. That makes, even if we use a humble ballista, a range of something like 0.2 miles or more - extended range upon the spell's range that is! Then add a couple gust of wind, till the caster is in range of a dimensional door (500 feet) to land on the deck... it's not hard, just bring in the naval airwings... Or get a shark to ride for the caster to cling to till he is in range.
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Some of those spells are slightly dubious in effectiveness by rules as written. Take ice storm for example. Although it makes sense that it would punch holes through the sails, the spell description only mentions damaging creatures - not objects or vehicles.
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– Allan Mills
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Don't forget that they don't want to damage the ship too much! Most of your options are doing some major disabling.
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– NautArch
Dec 18 '18 at 0:48
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Why isn't Wind Wall the top answer? Not only stopping, but reversing, the thing that makes the ship move in the first place sounds like step one.
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– Mazura
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@Mazura Read the spell: the maximum thickness is 1 foot, and it does not affect large items as it does arrows.
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– Trish
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The real stoppers come only at 5+ level, so let's start with looking at them. Oh, slight note: most of these cost little to nothing in components.
Wall of Force - 5
If it is just to stop the ship here and there, creating a magic reef in the shape of a Wall of force will stop the ship in their tracks within moments. Granted, the ship will be a wreck afterward and sink if you hit it below the shoreline.
That is unless you are smart and place the wall of force about 4 feet over the main deck in the way of the ship and cap away the masts, knock over all sailors on deck and destroy the steering without sinking the ship. Well, 120 feet range means we need some way to get someone into range.
Disintegrate - 6
A ship is huge, but if it has a 10-foot hole in the bow, it will start to leak and sink, no longer moving forward. But if you aim for the masts, it will just slow down and halt. And be a sitting duck. The problem is, you need to get within 60 feet - that's even more limited than demasting with a Wall of Force.
Ok, we got the two big showstoppers out, so, let's get creative and try to destroy the sails and stop the ship that way with good old combat magic. Sails might not come cheap, but they are huge targets, easy to hit and easy to replace - heck, most ships have smaller replacement sails that are to be used in case the sails are lost in a storm.
Produce Flame - Cantrip
Producing a small flame at touch doesn't seem dangerous to a ship, right? Well, what if we get that flame to the sails? Then they are gone, the ship will slow. A magic talent that knows Produce Flame is not that hard to come by... so we can probably find a Goblin or Kobold talent that has the spell, strap them into a glider and use a catapult to accelerate them out to the ship. With the right aiming they get there, torch the sails and probably the ship, stopping them until the rest of the fleet arrives!
Fire Bolt - Cantrip
Having to hit the sails with our mages is too hard? Well, how about having them use Fire Bolt instead?
Scorching Ray - 2
Not enough? Use Scorching Ray!
Fireball - 3
Or up it to the classic fireball.
Call Lightning - 3
Do you know how scary lightning is for a ship? Especially if it is not accompanied by rain? Once we get a caster into range, the stormcloud's lightning can and will destroy the mast and cripple it, maybe even kill the crew.
Wind Wall - 3
Well, how about we look at the walls again? There's a wall of wind, and it is surprisingly low level. It is a very strong wind... well, just enough to slow the vessel due to the mass. But it will throw down the crew which will considerably slow the ship...
Wall of Fire - 4
Or occupy the whole crew firefighting and set the sails and mast aflame the same time with a wall of fire.
Ice Storm - 4
Or shoot at the sails with icy meteors from 300 feet away. That's really tempting...
Fabricate - 4
What are sails if not huge masses of clothes that want to be made? Use Fabricate and turn the propulsion of the enemy ship into rags and dresses, or into a fishing net ... if you get someone on board of the fleeing ship for 10 minutes.
How to get the caster there?
Well, we would need either a faster ship... or use the weather or night. Or the caster needs to fly. What did I suggest up there? Oh! Strap a glider to a kobold and use a siege engine as a starter? We'd shoot the caster several hundred feet forward per round... and probably give them a flight time of 3+ turns. That makes, even if we use a humble ballista, a range of something like 0.2 miles or more - extended range upon the spell's range that is! Then add a couple gust of wind, till the caster is in range of a dimensional door (500 feet) to land on the deck... it's not hard, just bring in the naval airwings... Or get a shark to ride for the caster to cling to till he is in range.
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Some of those spells are slightly dubious in effectiveness by rules as written. Take ice storm for example. Although it makes sense that it would punch holes through the sails, the spell description only mentions damaging creatures - not objects or vehicles.
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– Allan Mills
Dec 18 '18 at 0:01
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Don't forget that they don't want to damage the ship too much! Most of your options are doing some major disabling.
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– NautArch
Dec 18 '18 at 0:48
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Why isn't Wind Wall the top answer? Not only stopping, but reversing, the thing that makes the ship move in the first place sounds like step one.
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– Mazura
Dec 20 '18 at 1:31
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@Mazura Read the spell: the maximum thickness is 1 foot, and it does not affect large items as it does arrows.
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– Trish
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The real stoppers come only at 5+ level, so let's start with looking at them. Oh, slight note: most of these cost little to nothing in components.
Wall of Force - 5
If it is just to stop the ship here and there, creating a magic reef in the shape of a Wall of force will stop the ship in their tracks within moments. Granted, the ship will be a wreck afterward and sink if you hit it below the shoreline.
That is unless you are smart and place the wall of force about 4 feet over the main deck in the way of the ship and cap away the masts, knock over all sailors on deck and destroy the steering without sinking the ship. Well, 120 feet range means we need some way to get someone into range.
Disintegrate - 6
A ship is huge, but if it has a 10-foot hole in the bow, it will start to leak and sink, no longer moving forward. But if you aim for the masts, it will just slow down and halt. And be a sitting duck. The problem is, you need to get within 60 feet - that's even more limited than demasting with a Wall of Force.
Ok, we got the two big showstoppers out, so, let's get creative and try to destroy the sails and stop the ship that way with good old combat magic. Sails might not come cheap, but they are huge targets, easy to hit and easy to replace - heck, most ships have smaller replacement sails that are to be used in case the sails are lost in a storm.
Produce Flame - Cantrip
Producing a small flame at touch doesn't seem dangerous to a ship, right? Well, what if we get that flame to the sails? Then they are gone, the ship will slow. A magic talent that knows Produce Flame is not that hard to come by... so we can probably find a Goblin or Kobold talent that has the spell, strap them into a glider and use a catapult to accelerate them out to the ship. With the right aiming they get there, torch the sails and probably the ship, stopping them until the rest of the fleet arrives!
Fire Bolt - Cantrip
Having to hit the sails with our mages is too hard? Well, how about having them use Fire Bolt instead?
Scorching Ray - 2
Not enough? Use Scorching Ray!
Fireball - 3
Or up it to the classic fireball.
Call Lightning - 3
Do you know how scary lightning is for a ship? Especially if it is not accompanied by rain? Once we get a caster into range, the stormcloud's lightning can and will destroy the mast and cripple it, maybe even kill the crew.
Wind Wall - 3
Well, how about we look at the walls again? There's a wall of wind, and it is surprisingly low level. It is a very strong wind... well, just enough to slow the vessel due to the mass. But it will throw down the crew which will considerably slow the ship...
Wall of Fire - 4
Or occupy the whole crew firefighting and set the sails and mast aflame the same time with a wall of fire.
Ice Storm - 4
Or shoot at the sails with icy meteors from 300 feet away. That's really tempting...
Fabricate - 4
What are sails if not huge masses of clothes that want to be made? Use Fabricate and turn the propulsion of the enemy ship into rags and dresses, or into a fishing net ... if you get someone on board of the fleeing ship for 10 minutes.
How to get the caster there?
Well, we would need either a faster ship... or use the weather or night. Or the caster needs to fly. What did I suggest up there? Oh! Strap a glider to a kobold and use a siege engine as a starter? We'd shoot the caster several hundred feet forward per round... and probably give them a flight time of 3+ turns. That makes, even if we use a humble ballista, a range of something like 0.2 miles or more - extended range upon the spell's range that is! Then add a couple gust of wind, till the caster is in range of a dimensional door (500 feet) to land on the deck... it's not hard, just bring in the naval airwings... Or get a shark to ride for the caster to cling to till he is in range.
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The real stoppers come only at 5+ level, so let's start with looking at them. Oh, slight note: most of these cost little to nothing in components.
Wall of Force - 5
If it is just to stop the ship here and there, creating a magic reef in the shape of a Wall of force will stop the ship in their tracks within moments. Granted, the ship will be a wreck afterward and sink if you hit it below the shoreline.
That is unless you are smart and place the wall of force about 4 feet over the main deck in the way of the ship and cap away the masts, knock over all sailors on deck and destroy the steering without sinking the ship. Well, 120 feet range means we need some way to get someone into range.
Disintegrate - 6
A ship is huge, but if it has a 10-foot hole in the bow, it will start to leak and sink, no longer moving forward. But if you aim for the masts, it will just slow down and halt. And be a sitting duck. The problem is, you need to get within 60 feet - that's even more limited than demasting with a Wall of Force.
Ok, we got the two big showstoppers out, so, let's get creative and try to destroy the sails and stop the ship that way with good old combat magic. Sails might not come cheap, but they are huge targets, easy to hit and easy to replace - heck, most ships have smaller replacement sails that are to be used in case the sails are lost in a storm.
Produce Flame - Cantrip
Producing a small flame at touch doesn't seem dangerous to a ship, right? Well, what if we get that flame to the sails? Then they are gone, the ship will slow. A magic talent that knows Produce Flame is not that hard to come by... so we can probably find a Goblin or Kobold talent that has the spell, strap them into a glider and use a catapult to accelerate them out to the ship. With the right aiming they get there, torch the sails and probably the ship, stopping them until the rest of the fleet arrives!
Fire Bolt - Cantrip
Having to hit the sails with our mages is too hard? Well, how about having them use Fire Bolt instead?
Scorching Ray - 2
Not enough? Use Scorching Ray!
Fireball - 3
Or up it to the classic fireball.
Call Lightning - 3
Do you know how scary lightning is for a ship? Especially if it is not accompanied by rain? Once we get a caster into range, the stormcloud's lightning can and will destroy the mast and cripple it, maybe even kill the crew.
Wind Wall - 3
Well, how about we look at the walls again? There's a wall of wind, and it is surprisingly low level. It is a very strong wind... well, just enough to slow the vessel due to the mass. But it will throw down the crew which will considerably slow the ship...
Wall of Fire - 4
Or occupy the whole crew firefighting and set the sails and mast aflame the same time with a wall of fire.
Ice Storm - 4
Or shoot at the sails with icy meteors from 300 feet away. That's really tempting...
Fabricate - 4
What are sails if not huge masses of clothes that want to be made? Use Fabricate and turn the propulsion of the enemy ship into rags and dresses, or into a fishing net ... if you get someone on board of the fleeing ship for 10 minutes.
How to get the caster there?
Well, we would need either a faster ship... or use the weather or night. Or the caster needs to fly. What did I suggest up there? Oh! Strap a glider to a kobold and use a siege engine as a starter? We'd shoot the caster several hundred feet forward per round... and probably give them a flight time of 3+ turns. That makes, even if we use a humble ballista, a range of something like 0.2 miles or more - extended range upon the spell's range that is! Then add a couple gust of wind, till the caster is in range of a dimensional door (500 feet) to land on the deck... it's not hard, just bring in the naval airwings... Or get a shark to ride for the caster to cling to till he is in range.
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Some of those spells are slightly dubious in effectiveness by rules as written. Take ice storm for example. Although it makes sense that it would punch holes through the sails, the spell description only mentions damaging creatures - not objects or vehicles.
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– Allan Mills
Dec 18 '18 at 0:01
1
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Don't forget that they don't want to damage the ship too much! Most of your options are doing some major disabling.
$endgroup$
– NautArch
Dec 18 '18 at 0:48
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Why isn't Wind Wall the top answer? Not only stopping, but reversing, the thing that makes the ship move in the first place sounds like step one.
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– Mazura
Dec 20 '18 at 1:31
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@Mazura Read the spell: the maximum thickness is 1 foot, and it does not affect large items as it does arrows.
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– Trish
Dec 20 '18 at 11:59
add a comment |
2
$begingroup$
Some of those spells are slightly dubious in effectiveness by rules as written. Take ice storm for example. Although it makes sense that it would punch holes through the sails, the spell description only mentions damaging creatures - not objects or vehicles.
$endgroup$
– Allan Mills
Dec 18 '18 at 0:01
1
$begingroup$
Don't forget that they don't want to damage the ship too much! Most of your options are doing some major disabling.
$endgroup$
– NautArch
Dec 18 '18 at 0:48
$begingroup$
Why isn't Wind Wall the top answer? Not only stopping, but reversing, the thing that makes the ship move in the first place sounds like step one.
$endgroup$
– Mazura
Dec 20 '18 at 1:31
$begingroup$
@Mazura Read the spell: the maximum thickness is 1 foot, and it does not affect large items as it does arrows.
$endgroup$
– Trish
Dec 20 '18 at 11:59
2
2
$begingroup$
Some of those spells are slightly dubious in effectiveness by rules as written. Take ice storm for example. Although it makes sense that it would punch holes through the sails, the spell description only mentions damaging creatures - not objects or vehicles.
$endgroup$
– Allan Mills
Dec 18 '18 at 0:01
$begingroup$
Some of those spells are slightly dubious in effectiveness by rules as written. Take ice storm for example. Although it makes sense that it would punch holes through the sails, the spell description only mentions damaging creatures - not objects or vehicles.
$endgroup$
– Allan Mills
Dec 18 '18 at 0:01
1
1
$begingroup$
Don't forget that they don't want to damage the ship too much! Most of your options are doing some major disabling.
$endgroup$
– NautArch
Dec 18 '18 at 0:48
$begingroup$
Don't forget that they don't want to damage the ship too much! Most of your options are doing some major disabling.
$endgroup$
– NautArch
Dec 18 '18 at 0:48
$begingroup$
Why isn't Wind Wall the top answer? Not only stopping, but reversing, the thing that makes the ship move in the first place sounds like step one.
$endgroup$
– Mazura
Dec 20 '18 at 1:31
$begingroup$
Why isn't Wind Wall the top answer? Not only stopping, but reversing, the thing that makes the ship move in the first place sounds like step one.
$endgroup$
– Mazura
Dec 20 '18 at 1:31
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@Mazura Read the spell: the maximum thickness is 1 foot, and it does not affect large items as it does arrows.
$endgroup$
– Trish
Dec 20 '18 at 11:59
$begingroup$
@Mazura Read the spell: the maximum thickness is 1 foot, and it does not affect large items as it does arrows.
$endgroup$
– Trish
Dec 20 '18 at 11:59
add a comment |
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Why not Moby Dick it:
9th level Druid of the Moon:
Wildshape into a Killer Whale (Huge)... have one of your underlings cast Enlarge on you, which brings you to gargantuan. You're now a 60ft whale.
Judging from a replica 2 mast ship you are now nearly as long and weigh as much as the ship itself... just push it back to port.
Even without the enlargement, I'd expect you to have no trouble overcoming the push of a gust of wind.
If 9th level is too high (that's enough for 5th level spells), a 6th level Druid of the Moon can turn into a Plesiosaurus (large).
I'd bet even as a large creature you'd be able to immobilize the ship via biting onto the rudder and just swimming in the opposite direction. Bonus points because, with your dino neck, you can be under the boat where most of the passengers can't see/attack you... they may not even notice you're there if you're sneaky enough about it.
No material components, and you can mess with them for hours.
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Why not Moby Dick it:
9th level Druid of the Moon:
Wildshape into a Killer Whale (Huge)... have one of your underlings cast Enlarge on you, which brings you to gargantuan. You're now a 60ft whale.
Judging from a replica 2 mast ship you are now nearly as long and weigh as much as the ship itself... just push it back to port.
Even without the enlargement, I'd expect you to have no trouble overcoming the push of a gust of wind.
If 9th level is too high (that's enough for 5th level spells), a 6th level Druid of the Moon can turn into a Plesiosaurus (large).
I'd bet even as a large creature you'd be able to immobilize the ship via biting onto the rudder and just swimming in the opposite direction. Bonus points because, with your dino neck, you can be under the boat where most of the passengers can't see/attack you... they may not even notice you're there if you're sneaky enough about it.
No material components, and you can mess with them for hours.
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Why not Moby Dick it:
9th level Druid of the Moon:
Wildshape into a Killer Whale (Huge)... have one of your underlings cast Enlarge on you, which brings you to gargantuan. You're now a 60ft whale.
Judging from a replica 2 mast ship you are now nearly as long and weigh as much as the ship itself... just push it back to port.
Even without the enlargement, I'd expect you to have no trouble overcoming the push of a gust of wind.
If 9th level is too high (that's enough for 5th level spells), a 6th level Druid of the Moon can turn into a Plesiosaurus (large).
I'd bet even as a large creature you'd be able to immobilize the ship via biting onto the rudder and just swimming in the opposite direction. Bonus points because, with your dino neck, you can be under the boat where most of the passengers can't see/attack you... they may not even notice you're there if you're sneaky enough about it.
No material components, and you can mess with them for hours.
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Why not Moby Dick it:
9th level Druid of the Moon:
Wildshape into a Killer Whale (Huge)... have one of your underlings cast Enlarge on you, which brings you to gargantuan. You're now a 60ft whale.
Judging from a replica 2 mast ship you are now nearly as long and weigh as much as the ship itself... just push it back to port.
Even without the enlargement, I'd expect you to have no trouble overcoming the push of a gust of wind.
If 9th level is too high (that's enough for 5th level spells), a 6th level Druid of the Moon can turn into a Plesiosaurus (large).
I'd bet even as a large creature you'd be able to immobilize the ship via biting onto the rudder and just swimming in the opposite direction. Bonus points because, with your dino neck, you can be under the boat where most of the passengers can't see/attack you... they may not even notice you're there if you're sneaky enough about it.
No material components, and you can mess with them for hours.
edited Dec 19 '18 at 20:22
answered Dec 18 '18 at 23:17
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