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I'm trying to compute $iint_S Fcdot$ dS where $F=langle x,y,z^2rangle$ and $S$ is the unit sphere centered at the origin.



Here's my attempt:



On the sphere we can describe any point by $r(phi,theta)=langle sinphi costheta,sinphi costheta, costhetarangle$ and the outward normal vector to $S$ is given by $n=r.$
Therefore,



$$iint_S Fcdot dS = iint_D F(r(phi,theta))cdot n dA$$
$$=iint_D langle sinphicostheta,sinphisintheta,cos^2thetaranglecdot langle
sinphicostheta,sinphisintheta,costhetarangle dA$$

$$=iint_D sin^2phi(cos^2theta + sin^2theta)+cos^3dtheta dA = int_0^{pi}int_0^{2pi} sin^2phi +cos^3theta dtheta dphi = pi^2$$



however the answer is $frac{8}{3}pi$ and the last equals sign is correct (used Wolfram to confirm), so I guess I did something wrong in the setup.










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    I'm trying to compute $iint_S Fcdot$ dS where $F=langle x,y,z^2rangle$ and $S$ is the unit sphere centered at the origin.



    Here's my attempt:



    On the sphere we can describe any point by $r(phi,theta)=langle sinphi costheta,sinphi costheta, costhetarangle$ and the outward normal vector to $S$ is given by $n=r.$
    Therefore,



    $$iint_S Fcdot dS = iint_D F(r(phi,theta))cdot n dA$$
    $$=iint_D langle sinphicostheta,sinphisintheta,cos^2thetaranglecdot langle
    sinphicostheta,sinphisintheta,costhetarangle dA$$

    $$=iint_D sin^2phi(cos^2theta + sin^2theta)+cos^3dtheta dA = int_0^{pi}int_0^{2pi} sin^2phi +cos^3theta dtheta dphi = pi^2$$



    however the answer is $frac{8}{3}pi$ and the last equals sign is correct (used Wolfram to confirm), so I guess I did something wrong in the setup.










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      I'm trying to compute $iint_S Fcdot$ dS where $F=langle x,y,z^2rangle$ and $S$ is the unit sphere centered at the origin.



      Here's my attempt:



      On the sphere we can describe any point by $r(phi,theta)=langle sinphi costheta,sinphi costheta, costhetarangle$ and the outward normal vector to $S$ is given by $n=r.$
      Therefore,



      $$iint_S Fcdot dS = iint_D F(r(phi,theta))cdot n dA$$
      $$=iint_D langle sinphicostheta,sinphisintheta,cos^2thetaranglecdot langle
      sinphicostheta,sinphisintheta,costhetarangle dA$$

      $$=iint_D sin^2phi(cos^2theta + sin^2theta)+cos^3dtheta dA = int_0^{pi}int_0^{2pi} sin^2phi +cos^3theta dtheta dphi = pi^2$$



      however the answer is $frac{8}{3}pi$ and the last equals sign is correct (used Wolfram to confirm), so I guess I did something wrong in the setup.










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      I'm trying to compute $iint_S Fcdot$ dS where $F=langle x,y,z^2rangle$ and $S$ is the unit sphere centered at the origin.



      Here's my attempt:



      On the sphere we can describe any point by $r(phi,theta)=langle sinphi costheta,sinphi costheta, costhetarangle$ and the outward normal vector to $S$ is given by $n=r.$
      Therefore,



      $$iint_S Fcdot dS = iint_D F(r(phi,theta))cdot n dA$$
      $$=iint_D langle sinphicostheta,sinphisintheta,cos^2thetaranglecdot langle
      sinphicostheta,sinphisintheta,costhetarangle dA$$

      $$=iint_D sin^2phi(cos^2theta + sin^2theta)+cos^3dtheta dA = int_0^{pi}int_0^{2pi} sin^2phi +cos^3theta dtheta dphi = pi^2$$



      however the answer is $frac{8}{3}pi$ and the last equals sign is correct (used Wolfram to confirm), so I guess I did something wrong in the setup.







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          The position vector should be
          $$r(phi,theta)=langle sintheta cosphi,sintheta sinphi, costhetarangle.$$
          And the volume element should be
          $$ dA = langle sintheta cosphi,sintheta sinphi, costhetarangle sin theta dtheta dphi.$$
          So the integral should be
          $$iint_S Fcdot dA = int_{theta = 0}^{theta = pi} int_{phi = 0}^{phi = 2pi} left( sin^2 theta + cos^3 thetaright) sin theta dtheta dphi.$$






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            @Clclstdnt I meant ordinary multiplication. Sorry, will change the notation.
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            Dec 29 '18 at 1:09










          • $begingroup$
            I'm confused how you got dA. This looks like dV for a triple integral in spherical coordinates. But this isn't a triple integral....... How did you get dA?
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            – Clclstdnt
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          • $begingroup$
            $sin theta dtheta dphi$ is the area element on the surface of a unit sphere. [… while $r^2 sin theta dr theta dphi$ is the volume element in $mathbb R^3$]
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            @Clclstdnt It's a good thing to learn off by heart. You can also derive it using $dvec A = frac{dvec r}{dtheta} times frac{dvec r}{dphi}dtheta dphi$. (And this time, I really do mean the cross product.)
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          You can use the divergence theorem to simplify things. We have
          $$operatorname{div} vec{F}(x,y,z) = frac{partial F_x}{partial x} + frac{partial F_y}{partial y} + frac{partial F_z}{partial z} = 2+2z$$



          so
          $$I = iintlimits_{text{unit sphere}} vec{F}cdot dmathbf{S} = iiintlimits_{text{unit ball}} operatorname{div} vec{F} ,dV = int_{phi = 0}^{2pi} int_{theta = 0}^pi int_{r=0}^1 2(1+rcostheta)underbrace{r^2sintheta,dr,dtheta,dphi}_{dV}$$



          The integrand is independent of $phi$ so it factors out as $2pi$, and then the second integral vanishes:



          $$I = 4pileft(int_{theta = 0}^pi int_{r=0}^1 r^2sintheta,dr,dtheta + int_{theta = 0}^pi int_{r=0}^1 r^3costhetasintheta,dr,dthetaright) = frac83pi$$






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            The position vector should be
            $$r(phi,theta)=langle sintheta cosphi,sintheta sinphi, costhetarangle.$$
            And the volume element should be
            $$ dA = langle sintheta cosphi,sintheta sinphi, costhetarangle sin theta dtheta dphi.$$
            So the integral should be
            $$iint_S Fcdot dA = int_{theta = 0}^{theta = pi} int_{phi = 0}^{phi = 2pi} left( sin^2 theta + cos^3 thetaright) sin theta dtheta dphi.$$






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            • $begingroup$
              dA has a cross product in it..... Did you intend that? Or is that ordinary multiplication?
              $endgroup$
              – Clclstdnt
              Dec 29 '18 at 0:54






            • 1




              $begingroup$
              @Clclstdnt I meant ordinary multiplication. Sorry, will change the notation.
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              – Kenny Wong
              Dec 29 '18 at 1:09










            • $begingroup$
              I'm confused how you got dA. This looks like dV for a triple integral in spherical coordinates. But this isn't a triple integral....... How did you get dA?
              $endgroup$
              – Clclstdnt
              Dec 29 '18 at 1:13










            • $begingroup$
              $sin theta dtheta dphi$ is the area element on the surface of a unit sphere. [… while $r^2 sin theta dr theta dphi$ is the volume element in $mathbb R^3$]
              $endgroup$
              – Kenny Wong
              Dec 29 '18 at 1:14








            • 2




              $begingroup$
              @Clclstdnt It's a good thing to learn off by heart. You can also derive it using $dvec A = frac{dvec r}{dtheta} times frac{dvec r}{dphi}dtheta dphi$. (And this time, I really do mean the cross product.)
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            $begingroup$

            The position vector should be
            $$r(phi,theta)=langle sintheta cosphi,sintheta sinphi, costhetarangle.$$
            And the volume element should be
            $$ dA = langle sintheta cosphi,sintheta sinphi, costhetarangle sin theta dtheta dphi.$$
            So the integral should be
            $$iint_S Fcdot dA = int_{theta = 0}^{theta = pi} int_{phi = 0}^{phi = 2pi} left( sin^2 theta + cos^3 thetaright) sin theta dtheta dphi.$$






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            • $begingroup$
              dA has a cross product in it..... Did you intend that? Or is that ordinary multiplication?
              $endgroup$
              – Clclstdnt
              Dec 29 '18 at 0:54






            • 1




              $begingroup$
              @Clclstdnt I meant ordinary multiplication. Sorry, will change the notation.
              $endgroup$
              – Kenny Wong
              Dec 29 '18 at 1:09










            • $begingroup$
              I'm confused how you got dA. This looks like dV for a triple integral in spherical coordinates. But this isn't a triple integral....... How did you get dA?
              $endgroup$
              – Clclstdnt
              Dec 29 '18 at 1:13










            • $begingroup$
              $sin theta dtheta dphi$ is the area element on the surface of a unit sphere. [… while $r^2 sin theta dr theta dphi$ is the volume element in $mathbb R^3$]
              $endgroup$
              – Kenny Wong
              Dec 29 '18 at 1:14








            • 2




              $begingroup$
              @Clclstdnt It's a good thing to learn off by heart. You can also derive it using $dvec A = frac{dvec r}{dtheta} times frac{dvec r}{dphi}dtheta dphi$. (And this time, I really do mean the cross product.)
              $endgroup$
              – Kenny Wong
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            The position vector should be
            $$r(phi,theta)=langle sintheta cosphi,sintheta sinphi, costhetarangle.$$
            And the volume element should be
            $$ dA = langle sintheta cosphi,sintheta sinphi, costhetarangle sin theta dtheta dphi.$$
            So the integral should be
            $$iint_S Fcdot dA = int_{theta = 0}^{theta = pi} int_{phi = 0}^{phi = 2pi} left( sin^2 theta + cos^3 thetaright) sin theta dtheta dphi.$$






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            The position vector should be
            $$r(phi,theta)=langle sintheta cosphi,sintheta sinphi, costhetarangle.$$
            And the volume element should be
            $$ dA = langle sintheta cosphi,sintheta sinphi, costhetarangle sin theta dtheta dphi.$$
            So the integral should be
            $$iint_S Fcdot dA = int_{theta = 0}^{theta = pi} int_{phi = 0}^{phi = 2pi} left( sin^2 theta + cos^3 thetaright) sin theta dtheta dphi.$$







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            • $begingroup$
              dA has a cross product in it..... Did you intend that? Or is that ordinary multiplication?
              $endgroup$
              – Clclstdnt
              Dec 29 '18 at 0:54






            • 1




              $begingroup$
              @Clclstdnt I meant ordinary multiplication. Sorry, will change the notation.
              $endgroup$
              – Kenny Wong
              Dec 29 '18 at 1:09










            • $begingroup$
              I'm confused how you got dA. This looks like dV for a triple integral in spherical coordinates. But this isn't a triple integral....... How did you get dA?
              $endgroup$
              – Clclstdnt
              Dec 29 '18 at 1:13










            • $begingroup$
              $sin theta dtheta dphi$ is the area element on the surface of a unit sphere. [… while $r^2 sin theta dr theta dphi$ is the volume element in $mathbb R^3$]
              $endgroup$
              – Kenny Wong
              Dec 29 '18 at 1:14








            • 2




              $begingroup$
              @Clclstdnt It's a good thing to learn off by heart. You can also derive it using $dvec A = frac{dvec r}{dtheta} times frac{dvec r}{dphi}dtheta dphi$. (And this time, I really do mean the cross product.)
              $endgroup$
              – Kenny Wong
              Dec 29 '18 at 1:18


















            • $begingroup$
              dA has a cross product in it..... Did you intend that? Or is that ordinary multiplication?
              $endgroup$
              – Clclstdnt
              Dec 29 '18 at 0:54






            • 1




              $begingroup$
              @Clclstdnt I meant ordinary multiplication. Sorry, will change the notation.
              $endgroup$
              – Kenny Wong
              Dec 29 '18 at 1:09










            • $begingroup$
              I'm confused how you got dA. This looks like dV for a triple integral in spherical coordinates. But this isn't a triple integral....... How did you get dA?
              $endgroup$
              – Clclstdnt
              Dec 29 '18 at 1:13










            • $begingroup$
              $sin theta dtheta dphi$ is the area element on the surface of a unit sphere. [… while $r^2 sin theta dr theta dphi$ is the volume element in $mathbb R^3$]
              $endgroup$
              – Kenny Wong
              Dec 29 '18 at 1:14








            • 2




              $begingroup$
              @Clclstdnt It's a good thing to learn off by heart. You can also derive it using $dvec A = frac{dvec r}{dtheta} times frac{dvec r}{dphi}dtheta dphi$. (And this time, I really do mean the cross product.)
              $endgroup$
              – Kenny Wong
              Dec 29 '18 at 1:18
















            $begingroup$
            dA has a cross product in it..... Did you intend that? Or is that ordinary multiplication?
            $endgroup$
            – Clclstdnt
            Dec 29 '18 at 0:54




            $begingroup$
            dA has a cross product in it..... Did you intend that? Or is that ordinary multiplication?
            $endgroup$
            – Clclstdnt
            Dec 29 '18 at 0:54




            1




            1




            $begingroup$
            @Clclstdnt I meant ordinary multiplication. Sorry, will change the notation.
            $endgroup$
            – Kenny Wong
            Dec 29 '18 at 1:09




            $begingroup$
            @Clclstdnt I meant ordinary multiplication. Sorry, will change the notation.
            $endgroup$
            – Kenny Wong
            Dec 29 '18 at 1:09












            $begingroup$
            I'm confused how you got dA. This looks like dV for a triple integral in spherical coordinates. But this isn't a triple integral....... How did you get dA?
            $endgroup$
            – Clclstdnt
            Dec 29 '18 at 1:13




            $begingroup$
            I'm confused how you got dA. This looks like dV for a triple integral in spherical coordinates. But this isn't a triple integral....... How did you get dA?
            $endgroup$
            – Clclstdnt
            Dec 29 '18 at 1:13












            $begingroup$
            $sin theta dtheta dphi$ is the area element on the surface of a unit sphere. [… while $r^2 sin theta dr theta dphi$ is the volume element in $mathbb R^3$]
            $endgroup$
            – Kenny Wong
            Dec 29 '18 at 1:14






            $begingroup$
            $sin theta dtheta dphi$ is the area element on the surface of a unit sphere. [… while $r^2 sin theta dr theta dphi$ is the volume element in $mathbb R^3$]
            $endgroup$
            – Kenny Wong
            Dec 29 '18 at 1:14






            2




            2




            $begingroup$
            @Clclstdnt It's a good thing to learn off by heart. You can also derive it using $dvec A = frac{dvec r}{dtheta} times frac{dvec r}{dphi}dtheta dphi$. (And this time, I really do mean the cross product.)
            $endgroup$
            – Kenny Wong
            Dec 29 '18 at 1:18




            $begingroup$
            @Clclstdnt It's a good thing to learn off by heart. You can also derive it using $dvec A = frac{dvec r}{dtheta} times frac{dvec r}{dphi}dtheta dphi$. (And this time, I really do mean the cross product.)
            $endgroup$
            – Kenny Wong
            Dec 29 '18 at 1:18











            1












            $begingroup$

            You can use the divergence theorem to simplify things. We have
            $$operatorname{div} vec{F}(x,y,z) = frac{partial F_x}{partial x} + frac{partial F_y}{partial y} + frac{partial F_z}{partial z} = 2+2z$$



            so
            $$I = iintlimits_{text{unit sphere}} vec{F}cdot dmathbf{S} = iiintlimits_{text{unit ball}} operatorname{div} vec{F} ,dV = int_{phi = 0}^{2pi} int_{theta = 0}^pi int_{r=0}^1 2(1+rcostheta)underbrace{r^2sintheta,dr,dtheta,dphi}_{dV}$$



            The integrand is independent of $phi$ so it factors out as $2pi$, and then the second integral vanishes:



            $$I = 4pileft(int_{theta = 0}^pi int_{r=0}^1 r^2sintheta,dr,dtheta + int_{theta = 0}^pi int_{r=0}^1 r^3costhetasintheta,dr,dthetaright) = frac83pi$$






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              $begingroup$

              You can use the divergence theorem to simplify things. We have
              $$operatorname{div} vec{F}(x,y,z) = frac{partial F_x}{partial x} + frac{partial F_y}{partial y} + frac{partial F_z}{partial z} = 2+2z$$



              so
              $$I = iintlimits_{text{unit sphere}} vec{F}cdot dmathbf{S} = iiintlimits_{text{unit ball}} operatorname{div} vec{F} ,dV = int_{phi = 0}^{2pi} int_{theta = 0}^pi int_{r=0}^1 2(1+rcostheta)underbrace{r^2sintheta,dr,dtheta,dphi}_{dV}$$



              The integrand is independent of $phi$ so it factors out as $2pi$, and then the second integral vanishes:



              $$I = 4pileft(int_{theta = 0}^pi int_{r=0}^1 r^2sintheta,dr,dtheta + int_{theta = 0}^pi int_{r=0}^1 r^3costhetasintheta,dr,dthetaright) = frac83pi$$






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                $begingroup$

                You can use the divergence theorem to simplify things. We have
                $$operatorname{div} vec{F}(x,y,z) = frac{partial F_x}{partial x} + frac{partial F_y}{partial y} + frac{partial F_z}{partial z} = 2+2z$$



                so
                $$I = iintlimits_{text{unit sphere}} vec{F}cdot dmathbf{S} = iiintlimits_{text{unit ball}} operatorname{div} vec{F} ,dV = int_{phi = 0}^{2pi} int_{theta = 0}^pi int_{r=0}^1 2(1+rcostheta)underbrace{r^2sintheta,dr,dtheta,dphi}_{dV}$$



                The integrand is independent of $phi$ so it factors out as $2pi$, and then the second integral vanishes:



                $$I = 4pileft(int_{theta = 0}^pi int_{r=0}^1 r^2sintheta,dr,dtheta + int_{theta = 0}^pi int_{r=0}^1 r^3costhetasintheta,dr,dthetaright) = frac83pi$$






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                You can use the divergence theorem to simplify things. We have
                $$operatorname{div} vec{F}(x,y,z) = frac{partial F_x}{partial x} + frac{partial F_y}{partial y} + frac{partial F_z}{partial z} = 2+2z$$



                so
                $$I = iintlimits_{text{unit sphere}} vec{F}cdot dmathbf{S} = iiintlimits_{text{unit ball}} operatorname{div} vec{F} ,dV = int_{phi = 0}^{2pi} int_{theta = 0}^pi int_{r=0}^1 2(1+rcostheta)underbrace{r^2sintheta,dr,dtheta,dphi}_{dV}$$



                The integrand is independent of $phi$ so it factors out as $2pi$, and then the second integral vanishes:



                $$I = 4pileft(int_{theta = 0}^pi int_{r=0}^1 r^2sintheta,dr,dtheta + int_{theta = 0}^pi int_{r=0}^1 r^3costhetasintheta,dr,dthetaright) = frac83pi$$







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