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Suppose that $A$ is full column rank matrix. Define
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L=begin{pmatrix}
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end{pmatrix}.
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Can we prove/disprove that $L$ is invertible?










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    You can prove it when $A$ is square (by constructing the inverse) and disprove it otherwise.
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Suppose that $A$ is full column rank matrix. Define
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0&A^{T}
end{pmatrix}.
$$

Can we prove/disprove that $L$ is invertible?










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Suppose that $A$ is full column rank matrix. Define
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L=begin{pmatrix}
A&0\
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end{pmatrix}.
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Can we prove/disprove that $L$ is invertible?










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Suppose that $A$ is full column rank matrix. Define
$$
L=begin{pmatrix}
A&0\
0&A^{T}
end{pmatrix}.
$$

Can we prove/disprove that $L$ is invertible?







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    You can prove it when $A$ is square (by constructing the inverse) and disprove it otherwise.
    – darij grinberg
    Nov 27 at 21:10














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    You can prove it when $A$ is square (by constructing the inverse) and disprove it otherwise.
    – darij grinberg
    Nov 27 at 21:10








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You can prove it when $A$ is square (by constructing the inverse) and disprove it otherwise.
– darij grinberg
Nov 27 at 21:10




You can prove it when $A$ is square (by constructing the inverse) and disprove it otherwise.
– darij grinberg
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This is true only when $A$ is square.



Take



$$
A = begin{pmatrix}
1 \
0 end{pmatrix}; qquad
L = begin{pmatrix}
1&0&0 \
0&0&0 \
0&1&0 end{pmatrix}.$$



Our matrix $L$ is certainly not invertible.






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    You multiply block matrices the same way you multiply two matrices. So, if $A$ is invertible, we get:
    begin{bmatrix}
    A^{-1} & 0 \
    0 & (A^{T})^{-1}
    end{bmatrix}

    is the inverse of the original matrix.






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    • Here $A$ is not square matrix.
      – Math_
      Nov 27 at 21:15


















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    Based on your comments, we have that $A$ is an $n times m$ matrix, with rank $m$ and $n > m$. Thus $A^T$ is an $m times n$ matrix.



    A quick aside:




    Suppose X, Y, and Z are matrices of dimension n × n, m × n, and m × m, respectively. Then $$det begin{pmatrix} X & 0 \ Y & Z end{pmatrix} = det(X) det(Z)$$
    (ripped from the wikipedia page on the determinant)




    So in our case, the block matrix $begin{pmatrix} A & 0 \ 0 & A^T end{pmatrix}$ isn't in the right form yet, since $A$ isn't square. By appending $n-m$ columns of $0$s onto $A$, and removing the first $n-m$ columns of $A^T$, we get a block matrix in the correct form.



    For example, for a $3 times 2$ matrix, $$left ( begin{array}{c c c | c c}
    a & b & 0 & 0 & 0 \
    c & d & 0 & 0 & 0 \
    e & f & 0 & 0 & 0 \
    hline
    0 & 0 & a & c & e \
    0 & 0 & b & d & f \
    end{array} right )$$



    However since we appended a column of zeros, the determinant of the upper square block is $0$, which makes the total determinant $0$ as well. Therefore, the block matrix is not invertible.






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      up vote
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      accepted










      This is true only when $A$ is square.



      Take



      $$
      A = begin{pmatrix}
      1 \
      0 end{pmatrix}; qquad
      L = begin{pmatrix}
      1&0&0 \
      0&0&0 \
      0&1&0 end{pmatrix}.$$



      Our matrix $L$ is certainly not invertible.






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        accepted










        This is true only when $A$ is square.



        Take



        $$
        A = begin{pmatrix}
        1 \
        0 end{pmatrix}; qquad
        L = begin{pmatrix}
        1&0&0 \
        0&0&0 \
        0&1&0 end{pmatrix}.$$



        Our matrix $L$ is certainly not invertible.






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          accepted







          up vote
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          accepted






          This is true only when $A$ is square.



          Take



          $$
          A = begin{pmatrix}
          1 \
          0 end{pmatrix}; qquad
          L = begin{pmatrix}
          1&0&0 \
          0&0&0 \
          0&1&0 end{pmatrix}.$$



          Our matrix $L$ is certainly not invertible.






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          This is true only when $A$ is square.



          Take



          $$
          A = begin{pmatrix}
          1 \
          0 end{pmatrix}; qquad
          L = begin{pmatrix}
          1&0&0 \
          0&0&0 \
          0&1&0 end{pmatrix}.$$



          Our matrix $L$ is certainly not invertible.







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          answered Nov 27 at 22:03









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              You multiply block matrices the same way you multiply two matrices. So, if $A$ is invertible, we get:
              begin{bmatrix}
              A^{-1} & 0 \
              0 & (A^{T})^{-1}
              end{bmatrix}

              is the inverse of the original matrix.






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              • Here $A$ is not square matrix.
                – Math_
                Nov 27 at 21:15















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              You multiply block matrices the same way you multiply two matrices. So, if $A$ is invertible, we get:
              begin{bmatrix}
              A^{-1} & 0 \
              0 & (A^{T})^{-1}
              end{bmatrix}

              is the inverse of the original matrix.






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              • Here $A$ is not square matrix.
                – Math_
                Nov 27 at 21:15













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              up vote
              0
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              You multiply block matrices the same way you multiply two matrices. So, if $A$ is invertible, we get:
              begin{bmatrix}
              A^{-1} & 0 \
              0 & (A^{T})^{-1}
              end{bmatrix}

              is the inverse of the original matrix.






              share|cite|improve this answer












              You multiply block matrices the same way you multiply two matrices. So, if $A$ is invertible, we get:
              begin{bmatrix}
              A^{-1} & 0 \
              0 & (A^{T})^{-1}
              end{bmatrix}

              is the inverse of the original matrix.







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              answered Nov 27 at 21:13









              mathnoob

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              • Here $A$ is not square matrix.
                – Math_
                Nov 27 at 21:15


















              • Here $A$ is not square matrix.
                – Math_
                Nov 27 at 21:15
















              Here $A$ is not square matrix.
              – Math_
              Nov 27 at 21:15




              Here $A$ is not square matrix.
              – Math_
              Nov 27 at 21:15










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              0
              down vote













              Based on your comments, we have that $A$ is an $n times m$ matrix, with rank $m$ and $n > m$. Thus $A^T$ is an $m times n$ matrix.



              A quick aside:




              Suppose X, Y, and Z are matrices of dimension n × n, m × n, and m × m, respectively. Then $$det begin{pmatrix} X & 0 \ Y & Z end{pmatrix} = det(X) det(Z)$$
              (ripped from the wikipedia page on the determinant)




              So in our case, the block matrix $begin{pmatrix} A & 0 \ 0 & A^T end{pmatrix}$ isn't in the right form yet, since $A$ isn't square. By appending $n-m$ columns of $0$s onto $A$, and removing the first $n-m$ columns of $A^T$, we get a block matrix in the correct form.



              For example, for a $3 times 2$ matrix, $$left ( begin{array}{c c c | c c}
              a & b & 0 & 0 & 0 \
              c & d & 0 & 0 & 0 \
              e & f & 0 & 0 & 0 \
              hline
              0 & 0 & a & c & e \
              0 & 0 & b & d & f \
              end{array} right )$$



              However since we appended a column of zeros, the determinant of the upper square block is $0$, which makes the total determinant $0$ as well. Therefore, the block matrix is not invertible.






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                down vote













                Based on your comments, we have that $A$ is an $n times m$ matrix, with rank $m$ and $n > m$. Thus $A^T$ is an $m times n$ matrix.



                A quick aside:




                Suppose X, Y, and Z are matrices of dimension n × n, m × n, and m × m, respectively. Then $$det begin{pmatrix} X & 0 \ Y & Z end{pmatrix} = det(X) det(Z)$$
                (ripped from the wikipedia page on the determinant)




                So in our case, the block matrix $begin{pmatrix} A & 0 \ 0 & A^T end{pmatrix}$ isn't in the right form yet, since $A$ isn't square. By appending $n-m$ columns of $0$s onto $A$, and removing the first $n-m$ columns of $A^T$, we get a block matrix in the correct form.



                For example, for a $3 times 2$ matrix, $$left ( begin{array}{c c c | c c}
                a & b & 0 & 0 & 0 \
                c & d & 0 & 0 & 0 \
                e & f & 0 & 0 & 0 \
                hline
                0 & 0 & a & c & e \
                0 & 0 & b & d & f \
                end{array} right )$$



                However since we appended a column of zeros, the determinant of the upper square block is $0$, which makes the total determinant $0$ as well. Therefore, the block matrix is not invertible.






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                  up vote
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                  Based on your comments, we have that $A$ is an $n times m$ matrix, with rank $m$ and $n > m$. Thus $A^T$ is an $m times n$ matrix.



                  A quick aside:




                  Suppose X, Y, and Z are matrices of dimension n × n, m × n, and m × m, respectively. Then $$det begin{pmatrix} X & 0 \ Y & Z end{pmatrix} = det(X) det(Z)$$
                  (ripped from the wikipedia page on the determinant)




                  So in our case, the block matrix $begin{pmatrix} A & 0 \ 0 & A^T end{pmatrix}$ isn't in the right form yet, since $A$ isn't square. By appending $n-m$ columns of $0$s onto $A$, and removing the first $n-m$ columns of $A^T$, we get a block matrix in the correct form.



                  For example, for a $3 times 2$ matrix, $$left ( begin{array}{c c c | c c}
                  a & b & 0 & 0 & 0 \
                  c & d & 0 & 0 & 0 \
                  e & f & 0 & 0 & 0 \
                  hline
                  0 & 0 & a & c & e \
                  0 & 0 & b & d & f \
                  end{array} right )$$



                  However since we appended a column of zeros, the determinant of the upper square block is $0$, which makes the total determinant $0$ as well. Therefore, the block matrix is not invertible.






                  share|cite|improve this answer












                  Based on your comments, we have that $A$ is an $n times m$ matrix, with rank $m$ and $n > m$. Thus $A^T$ is an $m times n$ matrix.



                  A quick aside:




                  Suppose X, Y, and Z are matrices of dimension n × n, m × n, and m × m, respectively. Then $$det begin{pmatrix} X & 0 \ Y & Z end{pmatrix} = det(X) det(Z)$$
                  (ripped from the wikipedia page on the determinant)




                  So in our case, the block matrix $begin{pmatrix} A & 0 \ 0 & A^T end{pmatrix}$ isn't in the right form yet, since $A$ isn't square. By appending $n-m$ columns of $0$s onto $A$, and removing the first $n-m$ columns of $A^T$, we get a block matrix in the correct form.



                  For example, for a $3 times 2$ matrix, $$left ( begin{array}{c c c | c c}
                  a & b & 0 & 0 & 0 \
                  c & d & 0 & 0 & 0 \
                  e & f & 0 & 0 & 0 \
                  hline
                  0 & 0 & a & c & e \
                  0 & 0 & b & d & f \
                  end{array} right )$$



                  However since we appended a column of zeros, the determinant of the upper square block is $0$, which makes the total determinant $0$ as well. Therefore, the block matrix is not invertible.







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