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I need to prove that $(G_{1}times G_{2})^{prime} = G_{1}^{prime} times G_{2}^{prime}$, where $G^{prime}$ denotes the commutator subgroup of $G$ - i.e., $G^{prime}=[G,G]$, the subgroup generated by all commutators of elements of $G$.



Recall that the commutator of two elements $x$ and $y$ in a group $G$, denoted $[x,y]$ is defined to equal $x^{-1}y^{-1}xy$.



I have posted my proof as an answer below. Could somebody please take a look at it and let me know if it's okay? If not, please let me know what I need to do in order to fix it. Thank you. :)





Edit: I have been informed that my answer given below actually shows only equality of the set of commutators, and that $G^{prime}$ consists of products of commutators. So, this question is no longer a proof check, but I am asking specifically how to fix what I have written below in order to make it actually answer the thing I set out to prove. I am having a bit of trouble understanding some of the hints given me thus far, and am going to need more detail in any answers given in order for them to be helpful.










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    I need to prove that $(G_{1}times G_{2})^{prime} = G_{1}^{prime} times G_{2}^{prime}$, where $G^{prime}$ denotes the commutator subgroup of $G$ - i.e., $G^{prime}=[G,G]$, the subgroup generated by all commutators of elements of $G$.



    Recall that the commutator of two elements $x$ and $y$ in a group $G$, denoted $[x,y]$ is defined to equal $x^{-1}y^{-1}xy$.



    I have posted my proof as an answer below. Could somebody please take a look at it and let me know if it's okay? If not, please let me know what I need to do in order to fix it. Thank you. :)





    Edit: I have been informed that my answer given below actually shows only equality of the set of commutators, and that $G^{prime}$ consists of products of commutators. So, this question is no longer a proof check, but I am asking specifically how to fix what I have written below in order to make it actually answer the thing I set out to prove. I am having a bit of trouble understanding some of the hints given me thus far, and am going to need more detail in any answers given in order for them to be helpful.










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      I need to prove that $(G_{1}times G_{2})^{prime} = G_{1}^{prime} times G_{2}^{prime}$, where $G^{prime}$ denotes the commutator subgroup of $G$ - i.e., $G^{prime}=[G,G]$, the subgroup generated by all commutators of elements of $G$.



      Recall that the commutator of two elements $x$ and $y$ in a group $G$, denoted $[x,y]$ is defined to equal $x^{-1}y^{-1}xy$.



      I have posted my proof as an answer below. Could somebody please take a look at it and let me know if it's okay? If not, please let me know what I need to do in order to fix it. Thank you. :)





      Edit: I have been informed that my answer given below actually shows only equality of the set of commutators, and that $G^{prime}$ consists of products of commutators. So, this question is no longer a proof check, but I am asking specifically how to fix what I have written below in order to make it actually answer the thing I set out to prove. I am having a bit of trouble understanding some of the hints given me thus far, and am going to need more detail in any answers given in order for them to be helpful.










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      I need to prove that $(G_{1}times G_{2})^{prime} = G_{1}^{prime} times G_{2}^{prime}$, where $G^{prime}$ denotes the commutator subgroup of $G$ - i.e., $G^{prime}=[G,G]$, the subgroup generated by all commutators of elements of $G$.



      Recall that the commutator of two elements $x$ and $y$ in a group $G$, denoted $[x,y]$ is defined to equal $x^{-1}y^{-1}xy$.



      I have posted my proof as an answer below. Could somebody please take a look at it and let me know if it's okay? If not, please let me know what I need to do in order to fix it. Thank you. :)





      Edit: I have been informed that my answer given below actually shows only equality of the set of commutators, and that $G^{prime}$ consists of products of commutators. So, this question is no longer a proof check, but I am asking specifically how to fix what I have written below in order to make it actually answer the thing I set out to prove. I am having a bit of trouble understanding some of the hints given me thus far, and am going to need more detail in any answers given in order for them to be helpful.







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          Let $(g_{1},g_{2}),,,(h_{1},h_{2}) in G_{1}times G_{2}$. Then, $begin{align}[(g_{1},g_{2})(h_{1},h_{2})]=(g_{1},g_{2})^{-1}(h_{1},h_{2})^{-1}(g_{1},g_{2})(h_{1},h_{2}) \ =(g_{1}^{-1},g_{2}^{-1})(h_{1}^{-1},h_{2}^{-1})(g_{1},g_{2})(h_{1},h_{2}) = (g_{1}^{-1}h_{1}^{-1}g_{1}h_{1},g_{2}^{-1}h_{2}^{-1}g_{2}h_{2}) \ = ([g_{1},h_{1}],[g_{2},h_{2}]) = ([g_{1},h_{1}],e_{G_{2}})(e_{G_{1}},[g_{2},h_{2}])end{align}$.



          So, each commutator in $G_{1} times G_{2}$ is the product of one in $G_{1}$ with one in $G_{2}$.



          Therefore, $mathbf{(G_{1}times G_{2})^{prime}subseteq G_{1}^{prime}times G_{2}^{prime}}$.



          Now, to get the inclusion in the other direction, let $(g,h) in G_{1}^{prime} times G_{2}^{prime}$. Then, $g = [g_{1},g_{2}]in G_{1}^{prime}$ and $h = [h_{1},h_{2}] in G_{2}^{prime}$.



          So,



          $begin{align}(g,h) = ([g_{1},g_{2}],[h_{1},h_{2}]) = (g_{1}^{-1}g_{2}^{-1}g_{1}g_{2}, h_{1}^{-1}h_{2}^{-1}h_{1}h_{2}) \ = (g_{1}^{-1},h_{1}^{-1})(g_{2}^{-1},h_{2}^{-1})(g_{1},h_{1})(g_{2},h_{2}) \ = (g_{1},h_{1})^{-1}(g_{2},h_{2})^{-1}(g_{1},h_{1})(g_{2},h_{2}) \= [(g_{1},h_{1}),(g_{2},h_{2})] end{align} $



          where $(g_{1},h_{1}), (g_{2},h_{2}) in G_{1} times G_{2}$.



          Therefore, the product of a commutator in $G_{1}$ with a commutator in $G_{2}$ is a commutator in $G_{1} times G_{2}$. Thus, $mathbf{G_{1}^{prime} times G_{2}^{prime} subseteq (G_{1} times G_{2})^{prime}}$.



          And so, we get our equality, $G_{1}^{prime} times G_{2}^{prime} = (G_{1} times G_{2})^{prime}$.






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            Technically you've shown an equality of the sets of commutators. Remember elements of $G'$ will in general be products of commutators.
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            @arctictern so what more do I need to say to make it perfect?
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            For example, if you want to do it elementarily... Let $gin(G_1times G_2)'$. Then it can be written as $$g=[(a_1,b_1),(c_1,d_1)]cdots[(a_t,b_t),(c_t,d_t)].$$ But this equals $$([a_1,c_1]cdots[a_t,c_t],[b_1,d_1]cdots[b_t,d_t]) $$ which is in $G_1'times G_2'$.
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            @arctictern do you need to do induction for that?
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          Okay...I think this answer finally takes care of the difficulty. Thanks to arctictern for all his help :)





          Let $g in (G_{1}times G_{2})^{prime}$. Then, since $(G_{1} times G_{2})^{prime}$ is the subgroup generated by all commutators of elements of $G_{1} times G_{2}$, $g$ is the product of commutators of elements of $G_{1} times G_{2}$. Letting $(a_{i},b_{i})$, $(c_{i},d_{i})in G_{1} times G_{2}$, we have that



          $begin{align} g = [(a_{1},b_{1}),(c_{1},d_{1})]cdot [(a_{2},b_{2}),(c_{2},d_{2})]cdot,, cdots ,, cdot[(a_{t},b_{t}),(c_{t},d_{t})],text{for some}, t, \ = (a_{1},b_{1})^{-1}(c_{1},d_{1})^{-1}(a_{1},b_{1})(c_{1},d_{1})cdot (a_{2},b_{2})^{-1}(c_{2},d_{2})^{-1}(a_{2},b_{2})(c_{2},d_{2})cdot , , cdots , ,cdot(a_{t},b_{t})^{-1}(c_{t},d_{t})^{-1}(a_{t},b_{t})(c_{t},d_{t}) \ = (a_{1}^{-1},b_{1}^{-1}) (c_{1}^{-1},d_{1}^{-1})(a_{1},b_{1})(c_{1},d_{1})cdot (a_{2}^{-1},b_{2}^{-1})(c_{2}^{-1},d_{2}^{-1})(a_{2},b_{2})(c_{2},d_{2})cdot , , cdots , ,cdot(a_{t}^{-1},b_{t}^{-1})(c_{t}^{-1},d_{t}^{-1})(a_{t},b_{t})(c_{t},d_{t}) \ = (a_{1}^{-1}c_{1}^{-1}a_{1}c_{1}a_{2}^{-1}c_{2}^{-1}a_{2}c_{2}cdots a_{t}^{-1}c_{t}^{-1}a_{t}c_{t}, ,b_{1}^{-1}d_{1}^{-1}b_{1}d_{1}b_{2}^{-1}d_{2}^{-1}b_{2}d_{2}cdots b_{t}^{-1}d_{t}^{-1}b_{t}d_{t}) \ = ([a_{1},c_{1}]cdot [a_{2},c_{2}]cdot ,, cdots , , cdot [a_{t},c_{t}], ,[b_{1},d_{1}]cdot [b_{2},d_{2}]cdot ,, cdots , , cdot [b_{t},d_{t}]) in G_{1}^{prime} times G_{2}^{prime}end{align}$



          So, we have the inclusion $mathbf{(G_{1}times G_{2})^{prime}subseteq G_{1}^{prime}times G_{2}^{prime}}$





          In the other direction, let $h in G_{1}^{prime} times G_{2}^{prime}$.



          To belong in $ G_{1}^{prime} times G_{2}^{prime}$, $h$ must be the direct product of an element of $G_{1}^{prime}$, which is the (group operation) product of commutators of elements of $G_{1}$, and an element of $G_{2}^{prime}$, which is the (group operation) product of commutators of elements of $G_{2}$.



          Let $h_{1}$ be such an element of $G_{1}^{prime}$ and let $h_{2}$ be such an element of $G_{2}^{prime}$, and let $h = h_{1} times h_{2}$. Then,



          $h_{1} = [a_{1},c_{1}]cdot [a_{2}, c_{2}] cdot , , cdots , , cdot [a_{t},c_{t}]$ for some $t$, where each $a_{i}$, $c_{i}$ is an element of $G_{1}$



          and $h_{2} =[b_{1},d_{1}]cdot [b_{2}, d_{2}] cdot , , cdots , , cdot [b_{t},d_{t}]$ for some $t$, where each $b_{i}$, $d_{i}$ is an element of $G_{2}$.



          So,



          $begin{align}h = h_{1} times h_{2} = ([a_{1},c_{1}]cdot [a_{2}, c_{2}] cdot , , cdots , , cdot [a_{t},c_{t}], [b_{1},d_{1}]cdot [b_{2}, d_{2}] cdot , , cdots , , cdot [b_{t},d_{t}])\ =(a_{1}^{-1}c_{1}^{-1}a_{1}c_{1}a_{2}^{-1}c_{2}^{-1}a_{2}c_{2}cdots a_{t}^{-1}c_{t}^{-1}a_{t}c_{t}, ,b_{1}^{-1}d_{1}^{-1}b_{1}d_{1}b_{2}^{-1}d_{2}^{-1}b_{2}d_{2}cdots b_{t}^{-1}d_{t}^{-1}b_{t}d_{t}) \ = (a_{1}^{-1},b_{1}^{-1}) (c_{1}^{-1},d_{1}^{-1})(a_{1},b_{1})(c_{1},d_{1})cdot (a_{2}^{-1},b_{2}^{-1})(c_{2}^{-1},d_{2}^{-1})(a_{2},b_{2})(c_{2},d_{2})cdot , , cdots , ,cdot(a_{t}^{-1},b_{t}^{-1})(c_{t}^{-1},d_{t}^{-1})(a_{t},b_{t})(c_{t},d_{t}) \ = (a_{1},b_{1})^{-1}(c_{1},d_{1})^{-1}(a_{1},b_{1})(c_{1},d_{1})cdot (a_{2},b_{2})^{-1}(c_{2},d_{2})^{-1}(a_{2},b_{2})(c_{2},d_{2})cdot , , cdots , ,cdot(a_{t},b_{t})^{-1}(c_{t},d_{t})^{-1}(a_{t},b_{t})(c_{t},d_{t}) \ = [(a_{1},b_{1}),(c_{1},d_{1})]cdot [(a_{2},b_{2}),(c_{2},d_{2})]cdot,, cdots ,, cdot[(a_{t},b_{t}),(c_{t},d_{t})] in (G_{1}times G_{2})^{prime} end{align}$



          So, we have the inclusion $mathbf{G_{1}^{prime}times G_{2}^{prime} subseteq (G_{1}times G_{2})^{prime}}$.





          Thus, since we have inclusion in both directions, we have established the equality $mathbf{(G_{1}times G_{2})^{prime} = G_{1}^{prime}times G_{2}^{prime}}$ for the right things this time, hopefully.






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            Let $(g_{1},g_{2}),,,(h_{1},h_{2}) in G_{1}times G_{2}$. Then, $begin{align}[(g_{1},g_{2})(h_{1},h_{2})]=(g_{1},g_{2})^{-1}(h_{1},h_{2})^{-1}(g_{1},g_{2})(h_{1},h_{2}) \ =(g_{1}^{-1},g_{2}^{-1})(h_{1}^{-1},h_{2}^{-1})(g_{1},g_{2})(h_{1},h_{2}) = (g_{1}^{-1}h_{1}^{-1}g_{1}h_{1},g_{2}^{-1}h_{2}^{-1}g_{2}h_{2}) \ = ([g_{1},h_{1}],[g_{2},h_{2}]) = ([g_{1},h_{1}],e_{G_{2}})(e_{G_{1}},[g_{2},h_{2}])end{align}$.



            So, each commutator in $G_{1} times G_{2}$ is the product of one in $G_{1}$ with one in $G_{2}$.



            Therefore, $mathbf{(G_{1}times G_{2})^{prime}subseteq G_{1}^{prime}times G_{2}^{prime}}$.



            Now, to get the inclusion in the other direction, let $(g,h) in G_{1}^{prime} times G_{2}^{prime}$. Then, $g = [g_{1},g_{2}]in G_{1}^{prime}$ and $h = [h_{1},h_{2}] in G_{2}^{prime}$.



            So,



            $begin{align}(g,h) = ([g_{1},g_{2}],[h_{1},h_{2}]) = (g_{1}^{-1}g_{2}^{-1}g_{1}g_{2}, h_{1}^{-1}h_{2}^{-1}h_{1}h_{2}) \ = (g_{1}^{-1},h_{1}^{-1})(g_{2}^{-1},h_{2}^{-1})(g_{1},h_{1})(g_{2},h_{2}) \ = (g_{1},h_{1})^{-1}(g_{2},h_{2})^{-1}(g_{1},h_{1})(g_{2},h_{2}) \= [(g_{1},h_{1}),(g_{2},h_{2})] end{align} $



            where $(g_{1},h_{1}), (g_{2},h_{2}) in G_{1} times G_{2}$.



            Therefore, the product of a commutator in $G_{1}$ with a commutator in $G_{2}$ is a commutator in $G_{1} times G_{2}$. Thus, $mathbf{G_{1}^{prime} times G_{2}^{prime} subseteq (G_{1} times G_{2})^{prime}}$.



            And so, we get our equality, $G_{1}^{prime} times G_{2}^{prime} = (G_{1} times G_{2})^{prime}$.






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              Technically you've shown an equality of the sets of commutators. Remember elements of $G'$ will in general be products of commutators.
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              @arctictern so what more do I need to say to make it perfect?
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              For example, if you want to do it elementarily... Let $gin(G_1times G_2)'$. Then it can be written as $$g=[(a_1,b_1),(c_1,d_1)]cdots[(a_t,b_t),(c_t,d_t)].$$ But this equals $$([a_1,c_1]cdots[a_t,c_t],[b_1,d_1]cdots[b_t,d_t]) $$ which is in $G_1'times G_2'$.
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              @arctictern do you need to do induction for that?
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              In other words: do I need to write down an induction proof for you to understand why the equalities are true? Well, that's up to you.
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            Let $(g_{1},g_{2}),,,(h_{1},h_{2}) in G_{1}times G_{2}$. Then, $begin{align}[(g_{1},g_{2})(h_{1},h_{2})]=(g_{1},g_{2})^{-1}(h_{1},h_{2})^{-1}(g_{1},g_{2})(h_{1},h_{2}) \ =(g_{1}^{-1},g_{2}^{-1})(h_{1}^{-1},h_{2}^{-1})(g_{1},g_{2})(h_{1},h_{2}) = (g_{1}^{-1}h_{1}^{-1}g_{1}h_{1},g_{2}^{-1}h_{2}^{-1}g_{2}h_{2}) \ = ([g_{1},h_{1}],[g_{2},h_{2}]) = ([g_{1},h_{1}],e_{G_{2}})(e_{G_{1}},[g_{2},h_{2}])end{align}$.



            So, each commutator in $G_{1} times G_{2}$ is the product of one in $G_{1}$ with one in $G_{2}$.



            Therefore, $mathbf{(G_{1}times G_{2})^{prime}subseteq G_{1}^{prime}times G_{2}^{prime}}$.



            Now, to get the inclusion in the other direction, let $(g,h) in G_{1}^{prime} times G_{2}^{prime}$. Then, $g = [g_{1},g_{2}]in G_{1}^{prime}$ and $h = [h_{1},h_{2}] in G_{2}^{prime}$.



            So,



            $begin{align}(g,h) = ([g_{1},g_{2}],[h_{1},h_{2}]) = (g_{1}^{-1}g_{2}^{-1}g_{1}g_{2}, h_{1}^{-1}h_{2}^{-1}h_{1}h_{2}) \ = (g_{1}^{-1},h_{1}^{-1})(g_{2}^{-1},h_{2}^{-1})(g_{1},h_{1})(g_{2},h_{2}) \ = (g_{1},h_{1})^{-1}(g_{2},h_{2})^{-1}(g_{1},h_{1})(g_{2},h_{2}) \= [(g_{1},h_{1}),(g_{2},h_{2})] end{align} $



            where $(g_{1},h_{1}), (g_{2},h_{2}) in G_{1} times G_{2}$.



            Therefore, the product of a commutator in $G_{1}$ with a commutator in $G_{2}$ is a commutator in $G_{1} times G_{2}$. Thus, $mathbf{G_{1}^{prime} times G_{2}^{prime} subseteq (G_{1} times G_{2})^{prime}}$.



            And so, we get our equality, $G_{1}^{prime} times G_{2}^{prime} = (G_{1} times G_{2})^{prime}$.






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              Technically you've shown an equality of the sets of commutators. Remember elements of $G'$ will in general be products of commutators.
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              – arctic tern
              Jan 3 '17 at 2:28












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              @arctictern so what more do I need to say to make it perfect?
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              – ALannister
              Jan 3 '17 at 2:29










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              For example, if you want to do it elementarily... Let $gin(G_1times G_2)'$. Then it can be written as $$g=[(a_1,b_1),(c_1,d_1)]cdots[(a_t,b_t),(c_t,d_t)].$$ But this equals $$([a_1,c_1]cdots[a_t,c_t],[b_1,d_1]cdots[b_t,d_t]) $$ which is in $G_1'times G_2'$.
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              @arctictern do you need to do induction for that?
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              In other words: do I need to write down an induction proof for you to understand why the equalities are true? Well, that's up to you.
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              Jan 3 '17 at 2:33
















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            Let $(g_{1},g_{2}),,,(h_{1},h_{2}) in G_{1}times G_{2}$. Then, $begin{align}[(g_{1},g_{2})(h_{1},h_{2})]=(g_{1},g_{2})^{-1}(h_{1},h_{2})^{-1}(g_{1},g_{2})(h_{1},h_{2}) \ =(g_{1}^{-1},g_{2}^{-1})(h_{1}^{-1},h_{2}^{-1})(g_{1},g_{2})(h_{1},h_{2}) = (g_{1}^{-1}h_{1}^{-1}g_{1}h_{1},g_{2}^{-1}h_{2}^{-1}g_{2}h_{2}) \ = ([g_{1},h_{1}],[g_{2},h_{2}]) = ([g_{1},h_{1}],e_{G_{2}})(e_{G_{1}},[g_{2},h_{2}])end{align}$.



            So, each commutator in $G_{1} times G_{2}$ is the product of one in $G_{1}$ with one in $G_{2}$.



            Therefore, $mathbf{(G_{1}times G_{2})^{prime}subseteq G_{1}^{prime}times G_{2}^{prime}}$.



            Now, to get the inclusion in the other direction, let $(g,h) in G_{1}^{prime} times G_{2}^{prime}$. Then, $g = [g_{1},g_{2}]in G_{1}^{prime}$ and $h = [h_{1},h_{2}] in G_{2}^{prime}$.



            So,



            $begin{align}(g,h) = ([g_{1},g_{2}],[h_{1},h_{2}]) = (g_{1}^{-1}g_{2}^{-1}g_{1}g_{2}, h_{1}^{-1}h_{2}^{-1}h_{1}h_{2}) \ = (g_{1}^{-1},h_{1}^{-1})(g_{2}^{-1},h_{2}^{-1})(g_{1},h_{1})(g_{2},h_{2}) \ = (g_{1},h_{1})^{-1}(g_{2},h_{2})^{-1}(g_{1},h_{1})(g_{2},h_{2}) \= [(g_{1},h_{1}),(g_{2},h_{2})] end{align} $



            where $(g_{1},h_{1}), (g_{2},h_{2}) in G_{1} times G_{2}$.



            Therefore, the product of a commutator in $G_{1}$ with a commutator in $G_{2}$ is a commutator in $G_{1} times G_{2}$. Thus, $mathbf{G_{1}^{prime} times G_{2}^{prime} subseteq (G_{1} times G_{2})^{prime}}$.



            And so, we get our equality, $G_{1}^{prime} times G_{2}^{prime} = (G_{1} times G_{2})^{prime}$.






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            Let $(g_{1},g_{2}),,,(h_{1},h_{2}) in G_{1}times G_{2}$. Then, $begin{align}[(g_{1},g_{2})(h_{1},h_{2})]=(g_{1},g_{2})^{-1}(h_{1},h_{2})^{-1}(g_{1},g_{2})(h_{1},h_{2}) \ =(g_{1}^{-1},g_{2}^{-1})(h_{1}^{-1},h_{2}^{-1})(g_{1},g_{2})(h_{1},h_{2}) = (g_{1}^{-1}h_{1}^{-1}g_{1}h_{1},g_{2}^{-1}h_{2}^{-1}g_{2}h_{2}) \ = ([g_{1},h_{1}],[g_{2},h_{2}]) = ([g_{1},h_{1}],e_{G_{2}})(e_{G_{1}},[g_{2},h_{2}])end{align}$.



            So, each commutator in $G_{1} times G_{2}$ is the product of one in $G_{1}$ with one in $G_{2}$.



            Therefore, $mathbf{(G_{1}times G_{2})^{prime}subseteq G_{1}^{prime}times G_{2}^{prime}}$.



            Now, to get the inclusion in the other direction, let $(g,h) in G_{1}^{prime} times G_{2}^{prime}$. Then, $g = [g_{1},g_{2}]in G_{1}^{prime}$ and $h = [h_{1},h_{2}] in G_{2}^{prime}$.



            So,



            $begin{align}(g,h) = ([g_{1},g_{2}],[h_{1},h_{2}]) = (g_{1}^{-1}g_{2}^{-1}g_{1}g_{2}, h_{1}^{-1}h_{2}^{-1}h_{1}h_{2}) \ = (g_{1}^{-1},h_{1}^{-1})(g_{2}^{-1},h_{2}^{-1})(g_{1},h_{1})(g_{2},h_{2}) \ = (g_{1},h_{1})^{-1}(g_{2},h_{2})^{-1}(g_{1},h_{1})(g_{2},h_{2}) \= [(g_{1},h_{1}),(g_{2},h_{2})] end{align} $



            where $(g_{1},h_{1}), (g_{2},h_{2}) in G_{1} times G_{2}$.



            Therefore, the product of a commutator in $G_{1}$ with a commutator in $G_{2}$ is a commutator in $G_{1} times G_{2}$. Thus, $mathbf{G_{1}^{prime} times G_{2}^{prime} subseteq (G_{1} times G_{2})^{prime}}$.



            And so, we get our equality, $G_{1}^{prime} times G_{2}^{prime} = (G_{1} times G_{2})^{prime}$.







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            answered Jan 3 '17 at 2:26









            ALannisterALannister

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            • $begingroup$
              Technically you've shown an equality of the sets of commutators. Remember elements of $G'$ will in general be products of commutators.
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              – arctic tern
              Jan 3 '17 at 2:28












            • $begingroup$
              @arctictern so what more do I need to say to make it perfect?
              $endgroup$
              – ALannister
              Jan 3 '17 at 2:29










            • $begingroup$
              For example, if you want to do it elementarily... Let $gin(G_1times G_2)'$. Then it can be written as $$g=[(a_1,b_1),(c_1,d_1)]cdots[(a_t,b_t),(c_t,d_t)].$$ But this equals $$([a_1,c_1]cdots[a_t,c_t],[b_1,d_1]cdots[b_t,d_t]) $$ which is in $G_1'times G_2'$.
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              – arctic tern
              Jan 3 '17 at 2:31












            • $begingroup$
              @arctictern do you need to do induction for that?
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              – ALannister
              Jan 3 '17 at 2:32










            • $begingroup$
              In other words: do I need to write down an induction proof for you to understand why the equalities are true? Well, that's up to you.
              $endgroup$
              – arctic tern
              Jan 3 '17 at 2:33




















            • $begingroup$
              Technically you've shown an equality of the sets of commutators. Remember elements of $G'$ will in general be products of commutators.
              $endgroup$
              – arctic tern
              Jan 3 '17 at 2:28












            • $begingroup$
              @arctictern so what more do I need to say to make it perfect?
              $endgroup$
              – ALannister
              Jan 3 '17 at 2:29










            • $begingroup$
              For example, if you want to do it elementarily... Let $gin(G_1times G_2)'$. Then it can be written as $$g=[(a_1,b_1),(c_1,d_1)]cdots[(a_t,b_t),(c_t,d_t)].$$ But this equals $$([a_1,c_1]cdots[a_t,c_t],[b_1,d_1]cdots[b_t,d_t]) $$ which is in $G_1'times G_2'$.
              $endgroup$
              – arctic tern
              Jan 3 '17 at 2:31












            • $begingroup$
              @arctictern do you need to do induction for that?
              $endgroup$
              – ALannister
              Jan 3 '17 at 2:32










            • $begingroup$
              In other words: do I need to write down an induction proof for you to understand why the equalities are true? Well, that's up to you.
              $endgroup$
              – arctic tern
              Jan 3 '17 at 2:33


















            $begingroup$
            Technically you've shown an equality of the sets of commutators. Remember elements of $G'$ will in general be products of commutators.
            $endgroup$
            – arctic tern
            Jan 3 '17 at 2:28






            $begingroup$
            Technically you've shown an equality of the sets of commutators. Remember elements of $G'$ will in general be products of commutators.
            $endgroup$
            – arctic tern
            Jan 3 '17 at 2:28














            $begingroup$
            @arctictern so what more do I need to say to make it perfect?
            $endgroup$
            – ALannister
            Jan 3 '17 at 2:29




            $begingroup$
            @arctictern so what more do I need to say to make it perfect?
            $endgroup$
            – ALannister
            Jan 3 '17 at 2:29












            $begingroup$
            For example, if you want to do it elementarily... Let $gin(G_1times G_2)'$. Then it can be written as $$g=[(a_1,b_1),(c_1,d_1)]cdots[(a_t,b_t),(c_t,d_t)].$$ But this equals $$([a_1,c_1]cdots[a_t,c_t],[b_1,d_1]cdots[b_t,d_t]) $$ which is in $G_1'times G_2'$.
            $endgroup$
            – arctic tern
            Jan 3 '17 at 2:31






            $begingroup$
            For example, if you want to do it elementarily... Let $gin(G_1times G_2)'$. Then it can be written as $$g=[(a_1,b_1),(c_1,d_1)]cdots[(a_t,b_t),(c_t,d_t)].$$ But this equals $$([a_1,c_1]cdots[a_t,c_t],[b_1,d_1]cdots[b_t,d_t]) $$ which is in $G_1'times G_2'$.
            $endgroup$
            – arctic tern
            Jan 3 '17 at 2:31














            $begingroup$
            @arctictern do you need to do induction for that?
            $endgroup$
            – ALannister
            Jan 3 '17 at 2:32




            $begingroup$
            @arctictern do you need to do induction for that?
            $endgroup$
            – ALannister
            Jan 3 '17 at 2:32












            $begingroup$
            In other words: do I need to write down an induction proof for you to understand why the equalities are true? Well, that's up to you.
            $endgroup$
            – arctic tern
            Jan 3 '17 at 2:33






            $begingroup$
            In other words: do I need to write down an induction proof for you to understand why the equalities are true? Well, that's up to you.
            $endgroup$
            – arctic tern
            Jan 3 '17 at 2:33













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            Okay...I think this answer finally takes care of the difficulty. Thanks to arctictern for all his help :)





            Let $g in (G_{1}times G_{2})^{prime}$. Then, since $(G_{1} times G_{2})^{prime}$ is the subgroup generated by all commutators of elements of $G_{1} times G_{2}$, $g$ is the product of commutators of elements of $G_{1} times G_{2}$. Letting $(a_{i},b_{i})$, $(c_{i},d_{i})in G_{1} times G_{2}$, we have that



            $begin{align} g = [(a_{1},b_{1}),(c_{1},d_{1})]cdot [(a_{2},b_{2}),(c_{2},d_{2})]cdot,, cdots ,, cdot[(a_{t},b_{t}),(c_{t},d_{t})],text{for some}, t, \ = (a_{1},b_{1})^{-1}(c_{1},d_{1})^{-1}(a_{1},b_{1})(c_{1},d_{1})cdot (a_{2},b_{2})^{-1}(c_{2},d_{2})^{-1}(a_{2},b_{2})(c_{2},d_{2})cdot , , cdots , ,cdot(a_{t},b_{t})^{-1}(c_{t},d_{t})^{-1}(a_{t},b_{t})(c_{t},d_{t}) \ = (a_{1}^{-1},b_{1}^{-1}) (c_{1}^{-1},d_{1}^{-1})(a_{1},b_{1})(c_{1},d_{1})cdot (a_{2}^{-1},b_{2}^{-1})(c_{2}^{-1},d_{2}^{-1})(a_{2},b_{2})(c_{2},d_{2})cdot , , cdots , ,cdot(a_{t}^{-1},b_{t}^{-1})(c_{t}^{-1},d_{t}^{-1})(a_{t},b_{t})(c_{t},d_{t}) \ = (a_{1}^{-1}c_{1}^{-1}a_{1}c_{1}a_{2}^{-1}c_{2}^{-1}a_{2}c_{2}cdots a_{t}^{-1}c_{t}^{-1}a_{t}c_{t}, ,b_{1}^{-1}d_{1}^{-1}b_{1}d_{1}b_{2}^{-1}d_{2}^{-1}b_{2}d_{2}cdots b_{t}^{-1}d_{t}^{-1}b_{t}d_{t}) \ = ([a_{1},c_{1}]cdot [a_{2},c_{2}]cdot ,, cdots , , cdot [a_{t},c_{t}], ,[b_{1},d_{1}]cdot [b_{2},d_{2}]cdot ,, cdots , , cdot [b_{t},d_{t}]) in G_{1}^{prime} times G_{2}^{prime}end{align}$



            So, we have the inclusion $mathbf{(G_{1}times G_{2})^{prime}subseteq G_{1}^{prime}times G_{2}^{prime}}$





            In the other direction, let $h in G_{1}^{prime} times G_{2}^{prime}$.



            To belong in $ G_{1}^{prime} times G_{2}^{prime}$, $h$ must be the direct product of an element of $G_{1}^{prime}$, which is the (group operation) product of commutators of elements of $G_{1}$, and an element of $G_{2}^{prime}$, which is the (group operation) product of commutators of elements of $G_{2}$.



            Let $h_{1}$ be such an element of $G_{1}^{prime}$ and let $h_{2}$ be such an element of $G_{2}^{prime}$, and let $h = h_{1} times h_{2}$. Then,



            $h_{1} = [a_{1},c_{1}]cdot [a_{2}, c_{2}] cdot , , cdots , , cdot [a_{t},c_{t}]$ for some $t$, where each $a_{i}$, $c_{i}$ is an element of $G_{1}$



            and $h_{2} =[b_{1},d_{1}]cdot [b_{2}, d_{2}] cdot , , cdots , , cdot [b_{t},d_{t}]$ for some $t$, where each $b_{i}$, $d_{i}$ is an element of $G_{2}$.



            So,



            $begin{align}h = h_{1} times h_{2} = ([a_{1},c_{1}]cdot [a_{2}, c_{2}] cdot , , cdots , , cdot [a_{t},c_{t}], [b_{1},d_{1}]cdot [b_{2}, d_{2}] cdot , , cdots , , cdot [b_{t},d_{t}])\ =(a_{1}^{-1}c_{1}^{-1}a_{1}c_{1}a_{2}^{-1}c_{2}^{-1}a_{2}c_{2}cdots a_{t}^{-1}c_{t}^{-1}a_{t}c_{t}, ,b_{1}^{-1}d_{1}^{-1}b_{1}d_{1}b_{2}^{-1}d_{2}^{-1}b_{2}d_{2}cdots b_{t}^{-1}d_{t}^{-1}b_{t}d_{t}) \ = (a_{1}^{-1},b_{1}^{-1}) (c_{1}^{-1},d_{1}^{-1})(a_{1},b_{1})(c_{1},d_{1})cdot (a_{2}^{-1},b_{2}^{-1})(c_{2}^{-1},d_{2}^{-1})(a_{2},b_{2})(c_{2},d_{2})cdot , , cdots , ,cdot(a_{t}^{-1},b_{t}^{-1})(c_{t}^{-1},d_{t}^{-1})(a_{t},b_{t})(c_{t},d_{t}) \ = (a_{1},b_{1})^{-1}(c_{1},d_{1})^{-1}(a_{1},b_{1})(c_{1},d_{1})cdot (a_{2},b_{2})^{-1}(c_{2},d_{2})^{-1}(a_{2},b_{2})(c_{2},d_{2})cdot , , cdots , ,cdot(a_{t},b_{t})^{-1}(c_{t},d_{t})^{-1}(a_{t},b_{t})(c_{t},d_{t}) \ = [(a_{1},b_{1}),(c_{1},d_{1})]cdot [(a_{2},b_{2}),(c_{2},d_{2})]cdot,, cdots ,, cdot[(a_{t},b_{t}),(c_{t},d_{t})] in (G_{1}times G_{2})^{prime} end{align}$



            So, we have the inclusion $mathbf{G_{1}^{prime}times G_{2}^{prime} subseteq (G_{1}times G_{2})^{prime}}$.





            Thus, since we have inclusion in both directions, we have established the equality $mathbf{(G_{1}times G_{2})^{prime} = G_{1}^{prime}times G_{2}^{prime}}$ for the right things this time, hopefully.






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              Okay...I think this answer finally takes care of the difficulty. Thanks to arctictern for all his help :)





              Let $g in (G_{1}times G_{2})^{prime}$. Then, since $(G_{1} times G_{2})^{prime}$ is the subgroup generated by all commutators of elements of $G_{1} times G_{2}$, $g$ is the product of commutators of elements of $G_{1} times G_{2}$. Letting $(a_{i},b_{i})$, $(c_{i},d_{i})in G_{1} times G_{2}$, we have that



              $begin{align} g = [(a_{1},b_{1}),(c_{1},d_{1})]cdot [(a_{2},b_{2}),(c_{2},d_{2})]cdot,, cdots ,, cdot[(a_{t},b_{t}),(c_{t},d_{t})],text{for some}, t, \ = (a_{1},b_{1})^{-1}(c_{1},d_{1})^{-1}(a_{1},b_{1})(c_{1},d_{1})cdot (a_{2},b_{2})^{-1}(c_{2},d_{2})^{-1}(a_{2},b_{2})(c_{2},d_{2})cdot , , cdots , ,cdot(a_{t},b_{t})^{-1}(c_{t},d_{t})^{-1}(a_{t},b_{t})(c_{t},d_{t}) \ = (a_{1}^{-1},b_{1}^{-1}) (c_{1}^{-1},d_{1}^{-1})(a_{1},b_{1})(c_{1},d_{1})cdot (a_{2}^{-1},b_{2}^{-1})(c_{2}^{-1},d_{2}^{-1})(a_{2},b_{2})(c_{2},d_{2})cdot , , cdots , ,cdot(a_{t}^{-1},b_{t}^{-1})(c_{t}^{-1},d_{t}^{-1})(a_{t},b_{t})(c_{t},d_{t}) \ = (a_{1}^{-1}c_{1}^{-1}a_{1}c_{1}a_{2}^{-1}c_{2}^{-1}a_{2}c_{2}cdots a_{t}^{-1}c_{t}^{-1}a_{t}c_{t}, ,b_{1}^{-1}d_{1}^{-1}b_{1}d_{1}b_{2}^{-1}d_{2}^{-1}b_{2}d_{2}cdots b_{t}^{-1}d_{t}^{-1}b_{t}d_{t}) \ = ([a_{1},c_{1}]cdot [a_{2},c_{2}]cdot ,, cdots , , cdot [a_{t},c_{t}], ,[b_{1},d_{1}]cdot [b_{2},d_{2}]cdot ,, cdots , , cdot [b_{t},d_{t}]) in G_{1}^{prime} times G_{2}^{prime}end{align}$



              So, we have the inclusion $mathbf{(G_{1}times G_{2})^{prime}subseteq G_{1}^{prime}times G_{2}^{prime}}$





              In the other direction, let $h in G_{1}^{prime} times G_{2}^{prime}$.



              To belong in $ G_{1}^{prime} times G_{2}^{prime}$, $h$ must be the direct product of an element of $G_{1}^{prime}$, which is the (group operation) product of commutators of elements of $G_{1}$, and an element of $G_{2}^{prime}$, which is the (group operation) product of commutators of elements of $G_{2}$.



              Let $h_{1}$ be such an element of $G_{1}^{prime}$ and let $h_{2}$ be such an element of $G_{2}^{prime}$, and let $h = h_{1} times h_{2}$. Then,



              $h_{1} = [a_{1},c_{1}]cdot [a_{2}, c_{2}] cdot , , cdots , , cdot [a_{t},c_{t}]$ for some $t$, where each $a_{i}$, $c_{i}$ is an element of $G_{1}$



              and $h_{2} =[b_{1},d_{1}]cdot [b_{2}, d_{2}] cdot , , cdots , , cdot [b_{t},d_{t}]$ for some $t$, where each $b_{i}$, $d_{i}$ is an element of $G_{2}$.



              So,



              $begin{align}h = h_{1} times h_{2} = ([a_{1},c_{1}]cdot [a_{2}, c_{2}] cdot , , cdots , , cdot [a_{t},c_{t}], [b_{1},d_{1}]cdot [b_{2}, d_{2}] cdot , , cdots , , cdot [b_{t},d_{t}])\ =(a_{1}^{-1}c_{1}^{-1}a_{1}c_{1}a_{2}^{-1}c_{2}^{-1}a_{2}c_{2}cdots a_{t}^{-1}c_{t}^{-1}a_{t}c_{t}, ,b_{1}^{-1}d_{1}^{-1}b_{1}d_{1}b_{2}^{-1}d_{2}^{-1}b_{2}d_{2}cdots b_{t}^{-1}d_{t}^{-1}b_{t}d_{t}) \ = (a_{1}^{-1},b_{1}^{-1}) (c_{1}^{-1},d_{1}^{-1})(a_{1},b_{1})(c_{1},d_{1})cdot (a_{2}^{-1},b_{2}^{-1})(c_{2}^{-1},d_{2}^{-1})(a_{2},b_{2})(c_{2},d_{2})cdot , , cdots , ,cdot(a_{t}^{-1},b_{t}^{-1})(c_{t}^{-1},d_{t}^{-1})(a_{t},b_{t})(c_{t},d_{t}) \ = (a_{1},b_{1})^{-1}(c_{1},d_{1})^{-1}(a_{1},b_{1})(c_{1},d_{1})cdot (a_{2},b_{2})^{-1}(c_{2},d_{2})^{-1}(a_{2},b_{2})(c_{2},d_{2})cdot , , cdots , ,cdot(a_{t},b_{t})^{-1}(c_{t},d_{t})^{-1}(a_{t},b_{t})(c_{t},d_{t}) \ = [(a_{1},b_{1}),(c_{1},d_{1})]cdot [(a_{2},b_{2}),(c_{2},d_{2})]cdot,, cdots ,, cdot[(a_{t},b_{t}),(c_{t},d_{t})] in (G_{1}times G_{2})^{prime} end{align}$



              So, we have the inclusion $mathbf{G_{1}^{prime}times G_{2}^{prime} subseteq (G_{1}times G_{2})^{prime}}$.





              Thus, since we have inclusion in both directions, we have established the equality $mathbf{(G_{1}times G_{2})^{prime} = G_{1}^{prime}times G_{2}^{prime}}$ for the right things this time, hopefully.






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                $begingroup$

                Okay...I think this answer finally takes care of the difficulty. Thanks to arctictern for all his help :)





                Let $g in (G_{1}times G_{2})^{prime}$. Then, since $(G_{1} times G_{2})^{prime}$ is the subgroup generated by all commutators of elements of $G_{1} times G_{2}$, $g$ is the product of commutators of elements of $G_{1} times G_{2}$. Letting $(a_{i},b_{i})$, $(c_{i},d_{i})in G_{1} times G_{2}$, we have that



                $begin{align} g = [(a_{1},b_{1}),(c_{1},d_{1})]cdot [(a_{2},b_{2}),(c_{2},d_{2})]cdot,, cdots ,, cdot[(a_{t},b_{t}),(c_{t},d_{t})],text{for some}, t, \ = (a_{1},b_{1})^{-1}(c_{1},d_{1})^{-1}(a_{1},b_{1})(c_{1},d_{1})cdot (a_{2},b_{2})^{-1}(c_{2},d_{2})^{-1}(a_{2},b_{2})(c_{2},d_{2})cdot , , cdots , ,cdot(a_{t},b_{t})^{-1}(c_{t},d_{t})^{-1}(a_{t},b_{t})(c_{t},d_{t}) \ = (a_{1}^{-1},b_{1}^{-1}) (c_{1}^{-1},d_{1}^{-1})(a_{1},b_{1})(c_{1},d_{1})cdot (a_{2}^{-1},b_{2}^{-1})(c_{2}^{-1},d_{2}^{-1})(a_{2},b_{2})(c_{2},d_{2})cdot , , cdots , ,cdot(a_{t}^{-1},b_{t}^{-1})(c_{t}^{-1},d_{t}^{-1})(a_{t},b_{t})(c_{t},d_{t}) \ = (a_{1}^{-1}c_{1}^{-1}a_{1}c_{1}a_{2}^{-1}c_{2}^{-1}a_{2}c_{2}cdots a_{t}^{-1}c_{t}^{-1}a_{t}c_{t}, ,b_{1}^{-1}d_{1}^{-1}b_{1}d_{1}b_{2}^{-1}d_{2}^{-1}b_{2}d_{2}cdots b_{t}^{-1}d_{t}^{-1}b_{t}d_{t}) \ = ([a_{1},c_{1}]cdot [a_{2},c_{2}]cdot ,, cdots , , cdot [a_{t},c_{t}], ,[b_{1},d_{1}]cdot [b_{2},d_{2}]cdot ,, cdots , , cdot [b_{t},d_{t}]) in G_{1}^{prime} times G_{2}^{prime}end{align}$



                So, we have the inclusion $mathbf{(G_{1}times G_{2})^{prime}subseteq G_{1}^{prime}times G_{2}^{prime}}$





                In the other direction, let $h in G_{1}^{prime} times G_{2}^{prime}$.



                To belong in $ G_{1}^{prime} times G_{2}^{prime}$, $h$ must be the direct product of an element of $G_{1}^{prime}$, which is the (group operation) product of commutators of elements of $G_{1}$, and an element of $G_{2}^{prime}$, which is the (group operation) product of commutators of elements of $G_{2}$.



                Let $h_{1}$ be such an element of $G_{1}^{prime}$ and let $h_{2}$ be such an element of $G_{2}^{prime}$, and let $h = h_{1} times h_{2}$. Then,



                $h_{1} = [a_{1},c_{1}]cdot [a_{2}, c_{2}] cdot , , cdots , , cdot [a_{t},c_{t}]$ for some $t$, where each $a_{i}$, $c_{i}$ is an element of $G_{1}$



                and $h_{2} =[b_{1},d_{1}]cdot [b_{2}, d_{2}] cdot , , cdots , , cdot [b_{t},d_{t}]$ for some $t$, where each $b_{i}$, $d_{i}$ is an element of $G_{2}$.



                So,



                $begin{align}h = h_{1} times h_{2} = ([a_{1},c_{1}]cdot [a_{2}, c_{2}] cdot , , cdots , , cdot [a_{t},c_{t}], [b_{1},d_{1}]cdot [b_{2}, d_{2}] cdot , , cdots , , cdot [b_{t},d_{t}])\ =(a_{1}^{-1}c_{1}^{-1}a_{1}c_{1}a_{2}^{-1}c_{2}^{-1}a_{2}c_{2}cdots a_{t}^{-1}c_{t}^{-1}a_{t}c_{t}, ,b_{1}^{-1}d_{1}^{-1}b_{1}d_{1}b_{2}^{-1}d_{2}^{-1}b_{2}d_{2}cdots b_{t}^{-1}d_{t}^{-1}b_{t}d_{t}) \ = (a_{1}^{-1},b_{1}^{-1}) (c_{1}^{-1},d_{1}^{-1})(a_{1},b_{1})(c_{1},d_{1})cdot (a_{2}^{-1},b_{2}^{-1})(c_{2}^{-1},d_{2}^{-1})(a_{2},b_{2})(c_{2},d_{2})cdot , , cdots , ,cdot(a_{t}^{-1},b_{t}^{-1})(c_{t}^{-1},d_{t}^{-1})(a_{t},b_{t})(c_{t},d_{t}) \ = (a_{1},b_{1})^{-1}(c_{1},d_{1})^{-1}(a_{1},b_{1})(c_{1},d_{1})cdot (a_{2},b_{2})^{-1}(c_{2},d_{2})^{-1}(a_{2},b_{2})(c_{2},d_{2})cdot , , cdots , ,cdot(a_{t},b_{t})^{-1}(c_{t},d_{t})^{-1}(a_{t},b_{t})(c_{t},d_{t}) \ = [(a_{1},b_{1}),(c_{1},d_{1})]cdot [(a_{2},b_{2}),(c_{2},d_{2})]cdot,, cdots ,, cdot[(a_{t},b_{t}),(c_{t},d_{t})] in (G_{1}times G_{2})^{prime} end{align}$



                So, we have the inclusion $mathbf{G_{1}^{prime}times G_{2}^{prime} subseteq (G_{1}times G_{2})^{prime}}$.





                Thus, since we have inclusion in both directions, we have established the equality $mathbf{(G_{1}times G_{2})^{prime} = G_{1}^{prime}times G_{2}^{prime}}$ for the right things this time, hopefully.






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                $endgroup$



                Okay...I think this answer finally takes care of the difficulty. Thanks to arctictern for all his help :)





                Let $g in (G_{1}times G_{2})^{prime}$. Then, since $(G_{1} times G_{2})^{prime}$ is the subgroup generated by all commutators of elements of $G_{1} times G_{2}$, $g$ is the product of commutators of elements of $G_{1} times G_{2}$. Letting $(a_{i},b_{i})$, $(c_{i},d_{i})in G_{1} times G_{2}$, we have that



                $begin{align} g = [(a_{1},b_{1}),(c_{1},d_{1})]cdot [(a_{2},b_{2}),(c_{2},d_{2})]cdot,, cdots ,, cdot[(a_{t},b_{t}),(c_{t},d_{t})],text{for some}, t, \ = (a_{1},b_{1})^{-1}(c_{1},d_{1})^{-1}(a_{1},b_{1})(c_{1},d_{1})cdot (a_{2},b_{2})^{-1}(c_{2},d_{2})^{-1}(a_{2},b_{2})(c_{2},d_{2})cdot , , cdots , ,cdot(a_{t},b_{t})^{-1}(c_{t},d_{t})^{-1}(a_{t},b_{t})(c_{t},d_{t}) \ = (a_{1}^{-1},b_{1}^{-1}) (c_{1}^{-1},d_{1}^{-1})(a_{1},b_{1})(c_{1},d_{1})cdot (a_{2}^{-1},b_{2}^{-1})(c_{2}^{-1},d_{2}^{-1})(a_{2},b_{2})(c_{2},d_{2})cdot , , cdots , ,cdot(a_{t}^{-1},b_{t}^{-1})(c_{t}^{-1},d_{t}^{-1})(a_{t},b_{t})(c_{t},d_{t}) \ = (a_{1}^{-1}c_{1}^{-1}a_{1}c_{1}a_{2}^{-1}c_{2}^{-1}a_{2}c_{2}cdots a_{t}^{-1}c_{t}^{-1}a_{t}c_{t}, ,b_{1}^{-1}d_{1}^{-1}b_{1}d_{1}b_{2}^{-1}d_{2}^{-1}b_{2}d_{2}cdots b_{t}^{-1}d_{t}^{-1}b_{t}d_{t}) \ = ([a_{1},c_{1}]cdot [a_{2},c_{2}]cdot ,, cdots , , cdot [a_{t},c_{t}], ,[b_{1},d_{1}]cdot [b_{2},d_{2}]cdot ,, cdots , , cdot [b_{t},d_{t}]) in G_{1}^{prime} times G_{2}^{prime}end{align}$



                So, we have the inclusion $mathbf{(G_{1}times G_{2})^{prime}subseteq G_{1}^{prime}times G_{2}^{prime}}$





                In the other direction, let $h in G_{1}^{prime} times G_{2}^{prime}$.



                To belong in $ G_{1}^{prime} times G_{2}^{prime}$, $h$ must be the direct product of an element of $G_{1}^{prime}$, which is the (group operation) product of commutators of elements of $G_{1}$, and an element of $G_{2}^{prime}$, which is the (group operation) product of commutators of elements of $G_{2}$.



                Let $h_{1}$ be such an element of $G_{1}^{prime}$ and let $h_{2}$ be such an element of $G_{2}^{prime}$, and let $h = h_{1} times h_{2}$. Then,



                $h_{1} = [a_{1},c_{1}]cdot [a_{2}, c_{2}] cdot , , cdots , , cdot [a_{t},c_{t}]$ for some $t$, where each $a_{i}$, $c_{i}$ is an element of $G_{1}$



                and $h_{2} =[b_{1},d_{1}]cdot [b_{2}, d_{2}] cdot , , cdots , , cdot [b_{t},d_{t}]$ for some $t$, where each $b_{i}$, $d_{i}$ is an element of $G_{2}$.



                So,



                $begin{align}h = h_{1} times h_{2} = ([a_{1},c_{1}]cdot [a_{2}, c_{2}] cdot , , cdots , , cdot [a_{t},c_{t}], [b_{1},d_{1}]cdot [b_{2}, d_{2}] cdot , , cdots , , cdot [b_{t},d_{t}])\ =(a_{1}^{-1}c_{1}^{-1}a_{1}c_{1}a_{2}^{-1}c_{2}^{-1}a_{2}c_{2}cdots a_{t}^{-1}c_{t}^{-1}a_{t}c_{t}, ,b_{1}^{-1}d_{1}^{-1}b_{1}d_{1}b_{2}^{-1}d_{2}^{-1}b_{2}d_{2}cdots b_{t}^{-1}d_{t}^{-1}b_{t}d_{t}) \ = (a_{1}^{-1},b_{1}^{-1}) (c_{1}^{-1},d_{1}^{-1})(a_{1},b_{1})(c_{1},d_{1})cdot (a_{2}^{-1},b_{2}^{-1})(c_{2}^{-1},d_{2}^{-1})(a_{2},b_{2})(c_{2},d_{2})cdot , , cdots , ,cdot(a_{t}^{-1},b_{t}^{-1})(c_{t}^{-1},d_{t}^{-1})(a_{t},b_{t})(c_{t},d_{t}) \ = (a_{1},b_{1})^{-1}(c_{1},d_{1})^{-1}(a_{1},b_{1})(c_{1},d_{1})cdot (a_{2},b_{2})^{-1}(c_{2},d_{2})^{-1}(a_{2},b_{2})(c_{2},d_{2})cdot , , cdots , ,cdot(a_{t},b_{t})^{-1}(c_{t},d_{t})^{-1}(a_{t},b_{t})(c_{t},d_{t}) \ = [(a_{1},b_{1}),(c_{1},d_{1})]cdot [(a_{2},b_{2}),(c_{2},d_{2})]cdot,, cdots ,, cdot[(a_{t},b_{t}),(c_{t},d_{t})] in (G_{1}times G_{2})^{prime} end{align}$



                So, we have the inclusion $mathbf{G_{1}^{prime}times G_{2}^{prime} subseteq (G_{1}times G_{2})^{prime}}$.





                Thus, since we have inclusion in both directions, we have established the equality $mathbf{(G_{1}times G_{2})^{prime} = G_{1}^{prime}times G_{2}^{prime}}$ for the right things this time, hopefully.







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