Properties of Noetherian local ring (Sharp, Exercise 8.33)











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Let $(R,M)$ be a Noetherian local ring. Show that



i) If there exists a non-maximal prime ideal of $R$, then $M^{n+1} subset M^{n}$ for every $n in mathbb{N}$



ii) If $I$ is a proper ideal of $R$ and $sqrt{I} neq M$ then $I +M^{n+1} subset I +M^{n}$ for every $n in mathbb{N}$



I think $M^{n+1} subset M^{n}$ is obvious without condition about the existence of non-maximal prime ideal, doesn't it? I have no idea for this problem. Can anyone help me?










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  • $M^{n+1} subset RM^n=M^n$ is that right?
    – Desunkid
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  • that seems right... isn't part (ii) then obvious as well? we are probably missing something though
    – mathworker21
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    I think here $subset$ is meant as " is strictly included" : some authors use this convention and add a second bar under $subset$ to mean "is included"
    – Max
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    @Desunkid But $M supset M^2 supset cdots supset M^n supset M^{n+1} supset cdots$ is a descending chain.
    – André 3000
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    @Desunkid For i) use Nakayama. For ii) use i) by replacing $R$ with $R/I$.
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Let $(R,M)$ be a Noetherian local ring. Show that



i) If there exists a non-maximal prime ideal of $R$, then $M^{n+1} subset M^{n}$ for every $n in mathbb{N}$



ii) If $I$ is a proper ideal of $R$ and $sqrt{I} neq M$ then $I +M^{n+1} subset I +M^{n}$ for every $n in mathbb{N}$



I think $M^{n+1} subset M^{n}$ is obvious without condition about the existence of non-maximal prime ideal, doesn't it? I have no idea for this problem. Can anyone help me?










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  • $M^{n+1} subset RM^n=M^n$ is that right?
    – Desunkid
    yesterday










  • that seems right... isn't part (ii) then obvious as well? we are probably missing something though
    – mathworker21
    yesterday








  • 1




    I think here $subset$ is meant as " is strictly included" : some authors use this convention and add a second bar under $subset$ to mean "is included"
    – Max
    yesterday






  • 1




    @Desunkid But $M supset M^2 supset cdots supset M^n supset M^{n+1} supset cdots$ is a descending chain.
    – André 3000
    yesterday






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    @Desunkid For i) use Nakayama. For ii) use i) by replacing $R$ with $R/I$.
    – user26857
    yesterday













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Let $(R,M)$ be a Noetherian local ring. Show that



i) If there exists a non-maximal prime ideal of $R$, then $M^{n+1} subset M^{n}$ for every $n in mathbb{N}$



ii) If $I$ is a proper ideal of $R$ and $sqrt{I} neq M$ then $I +M^{n+1} subset I +M^{n}$ for every $n in mathbb{N}$



I think $M^{n+1} subset M^{n}$ is obvious without condition about the existence of non-maximal prime ideal, doesn't it? I have no idea for this problem. Can anyone help me?










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Let $(R,M)$ be a Noetherian local ring. Show that



i) If there exists a non-maximal prime ideal of $R$, then $M^{n+1} subset M^{n}$ for every $n in mathbb{N}$



ii) If $I$ is a proper ideal of $R$ and $sqrt{I} neq M$ then $I +M^{n+1} subset I +M^{n}$ for every $n in mathbb{N}$



I think $M^{n+1} subset M^{n}$ is obvious without condition about the existence of non-maximal prime ideal, doesn't it? I have no idea for this problem. Can anyone help me?







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  • $M^{n+1} subset RM^n=M^n$ is that right?
    – Desunkid
    yesterday










  • that seems right... isn't part (ii) then obvious as well? we are probably missing something though
    – mathworker21
    yesterday








  • 1




    I think here $subset$ is meant as " is strictly included" : some authors use this convention and add a second bar under $subset$ to mean "is included"
    – Max
    yesterday






  • 1




    @Desunkid But $M supset M^2 supset cdots supset M^n supset M^{n+1} supset cdots$ is a descending chain.
    – André 3000
    yesterday






  • 1




    @Desunkid For i) use Nakayama. For ii) use i) by replacing $R$ with $R/I$.
    – user26857
    yesterday


















  • $M^{n+1} subset RM^n=M^n$ is that right?
    – Desunkid
    yesterday










  • that seems right... isn't part (ii) then obvious as well? we are probably missing something though
    – mathworker21
    yesterday








  • 1




    I think here $subset$ is meant as " is strictly included" : some authors use this convention and add a second bar under $subset$ to mean "is included"
    – Max
    yesterday






  • 1




    @Desunkid But $M supset M^2 supset cdots supset M^n supset M^{n+1} supset cdots$ is a descending chain.
    – André 3000
    yesterday






  • 1




    @Desunkid For i) use Nakayama. For ii) use i) by replacing $R$ with $R/I$.
    – user26857
    yesterday
















$M^{n+1} subset RM^n=M^n$ is that right?
– Desunkid
yesterday




$M^{n+1} subset RM^n=M^n$ is that right?
– Desunkid
yesterday












that seems right... isn't part (ii) then obvious as well? we are probably missing something though
– mathworker21
yesterday






that seems right... isn't part (ii) then obvious as well? we are probably missing something though
– mathworker21
yesterday






1




1




I think here $subset$ is meant as " is strictly included" : some authors use this convention and add a second bar under $subset$ to mean "is included"
– Max
yesterday




I think here $subset$ is meant as " is strictly included" : some authors use this convention and add a second bar under $subset$ to mean "is included"
– Max
yesterday




1




1




@Desunkid But $M supset M^2 supset cdots supset M^n supset M^{n+1} supset cdots$ is a descending chain.
– André 3000
yesterday




@Desunkid But $M supset M^2 supset cdots supset M^n supset M^{n+1} supset cdots$ is a descending chain.
– André 3000
yesterday




1




1




@Desunkid For i) use Nakayama. For ii) use i) by replacing $R$ with $R/I$.
– user26857
yesterday




@Desunkid For i) use Nakayama. For ii) use i) by replacing $R$ with $R/I$.
– user26857
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The $subset$ subset symbol is definitely meant to indicate strict inclusion here.



For the first part, since trivially $I^n subseteq I^m$ for any ideal $I$ and $n geq m$, the problem is just to prove that $M^{n+1} not= M^{n}$ given the assumption that the ring is not $0$-dimensional.



We will show contrapositively that $M^{n+1} = M^n$ implies that the ring is $0$-dimensional.



Recall that Nakayama's lemma, in one of its incarnations, states the following:




Nakayama's lemma: Let $I$ be an ideal contained in the Jacobson radical of $R$ and $M$ be a finitely generated ideal. If $IM = M$ then $M = 0$.




In a local ring, the Jacobson radical is the unique maximal ideal, which contains our non-maximal ideal $M$. Moreover $M$ is f.g. by the Noetherian assumption. So if we have $MM^n = M^n$ then Nakayama says that $M^n = 0$.



If the maximal ideal is nilpotent, then every nonunit is nilpotent, and this implies that the ring has a unique prime ideal (good elementary exercise).



Hence the ring is $0$-dimensional.



For the second part, note that $(R/I, M/I)$ is a local Noetherian ring, too. Again we show the contrapositive: if $I + M^{n+1} = I + M^n$ then $sqrt{I} = M$. By the first part, if $I + M^{n+1} = I + M^n$ then $R/I$ is $0$-dimensional. So $M$ is the only prime ideal of $R$ containing $I$. But the radical of an ideal is the intersection of the primes containing it, so $sqrt{I} = M$.






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    My intuition from the abundant confusion surrounding this question and from looking at the user's asking history was that this is somebody hopping around in self-directed study rather than doing homework, and that details would be helpful. Granted I might be very wrong about that. I tend to agree that giving out homework solutions sans dialogue doesn't help anybody. Office hours are good.
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  • Ok. Then let's hope he'll appreciate your effort and learn something useful from the answer.
    – user26857
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  • Thank you @Badam Baplan. It's not my homework, I'd study about Nakayama's lemma and Krull intersection theorem and do some exercises about these theorems.
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The $subset$ subset symbol is definitely meant to indicate strict inclusion here.



For the first part, since trivially $I^n subseteq I^m$ for any ideal $I$ and $n geq m$, the problem is just to prove that $M^{n+1} not= M^{n}$ given the assumption that the ring is not $0$-dimensional.



We will show contrapositively that $M^{n+1} = M^n$ implies that the ring is $0$-dimensional.



Recall that Nakayama's lemma, in one of its incarnations, states the following:




Nakayama's lemma: Let $I$ be an ideal contained in the Jacobson radical of $R$ and $M$ be a finitely generated ideal. If $IM = M$ then $M = 0$.




In a local ring, the Jacobson radical is the unique maximal ideal, which contains our non-maximal ideal $M$. Moreover $M$ is f.g. by the Noetherian assumption. So if we have $MM^n = M^n$ then Nakayama says that $M^n = 0$.



If the maximal ideal is nilpotent, then every nonunit is nilpotent, and this implies that the ring has a unique prime ideal (good elementary exercise).



Hence the ring is $0$-dimensional.



For the second part, note that $(R/I, M/I)$ is a local Noetherian ring, too. Again we show the contrapositive: if $I + M^{n+1} = I + M^n$ then $sqrt{I} = M$. By the first part, if $I + M^{n+1} = I + M^n$ then $R/I$ is $0$-dimensional. So $M$ is the only prime ideal of $R$ containing $I$. But the radical of an ideal is the intersection of the primes containing it, so $sqrt{I} = M$.






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  • It's definitely a bad idea to solve someone homework. He had already two hints in the comments. If he needed more details could have ask.
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    My intuition from the abundant confusion surrounding this question and from looking at the user's asking history was that this is somebody hopping around in self-directed study rather than doing homework, and that details would be helpful. Granted I might be very wrong about that. I tend to agree that giving out homework solutions sans dialogue doesn't help anybody. Office hours are good.
    – Badam Baplan
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  • Ok. Then let's hope he'll appreciate your effort and learn something useful from the answer.
    – user26857
    11 hours ago












  • Thank you @Badam Baplan. It's not my homework, I'd study about Nakayama's lemma and Krull intersection theorem and do some exercises about these theorems.
    – Desunkid
    6 hours ago















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The $subset$ subset symbol is definitely meant to indicate strict inclusion here.



For the first part, since trivially $I^n subseteq I^m$ for any ideal $I$ and $n geq m$, the problem is just to prove that $M^{n+1} not= M^{n}$ given the assumption that the ring is not $0$-dimensional.



We will show contrapositively that $M^{n+1} = M^n$ implies that the ring is $0$-dimensional.



Recall that Nakayama's lemma, in one of its incarnations, states the following:




Nakayama's lemma: Let $I$ be an ideal contained in the Jacobson radical of $R$ and $M$ be a finitely generated ideal. If $IM = M$ then $M = 0$.




In a local ring, the Jacobson radical is the unique maximal ideal, which contains our non-maximal ideal $M$. Moreover $M$ is f.g. by the Noetherian assumption. So if we have $MM^n = M^n$ then Nakayama says that $M^n = 0$.



If the maximal ideal is nilpotent, then every nonunit is nilpotent, and this implies that the ring has a unique prime ideal (good elementary exercise).



Hence the ring is $0$-dimensional.



For the second part, note that $(R/I, M/I)$ is a local Noetherian ring, too. Again we show the contrapositive: if $I + M^{n+1} = I + M^n$ then $sqrt{I} = M$. By the first part, if $I + M^{n+1} = I + M^n$ then $R/I$ is $0$-dimensional. So $M$ is the only prime ideal of $R$ containing $I$. But the radical of an ideal is the intersection of the primes containing it, so $sqrt{I} = M$.






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  • It's definitely a bad idea to solve someone homework. He had already two hints in the comments. If he needed more details could have ask.
    – user26857
    13 hours ago








  • 1




    My intuition from the abundant confusion surrounding this question and from looking at the user's asking history was that this is somebody hopping around in self-directed study rather than doing homework, and that details would be helpful. Granted I might be very wrong about that. I tend to agree that giving out homework solutions sans dialogue doesn't help anybody. Office hours are good.
    – Badam Baplan
    13 hours ago










  • Ok. Then let's hope he'll appreciate your effort and learn something useful from the answer.
    – user26857
    11 hours ago












  • Thank you @Badam Baplan. It's not my homework, I'd study about Nakayama's lemma and Krull intersection theorem and do some exercises about these theorems.
    – Desunkid
    6 hours ago













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The $subset$ subset symbol is definitely meant to indicate strict inclusion here.



For the first part, since trivially $I^n subseteq I^m$ for any ideal $I$ and $n geq m$, the problem is just to prove that $M^{n+1} not= M^{n}$ given the assumption that the ring is not $0$-dimensional.



We will show contrapositively that $M^{n+1} = M^n$ implies that the ring is $0$-dimensional.



Recall that Nakayama's lemma, in one of its incarnations, states the following:




Nakayama's lemma: Let $I$ be an ideal contained in the Jacobson radical of $R$ and $M$ be a finitely generated ideal. If $IM = M$ then $M = 0$.




In a local ring, the Jacobson radical is the unique maximal ideal, which contains our non-maximal ideal $M$. Moreover $M$ is f.g. by the Noetherian assumption. So if we have $MM^n = M^n$ then Nakayama says that $M^n = 0$.



If the maximal ideal is nilpotent, then every nonunit is nilpotent, and this implies that the ring has a unique prime ideal (good elementary exercise).



Hence the ring is $0$-dimensional.



For the second part, note that $(R/I, M/I)$ is a local Noetherian ring, too. Again we show the contrapositive: if $I + M^{n+1} = I + M^n$ then $sqrt{I} = M$. By the first part, if $I + M^{n+1} = I + M^n$ then $R/I$ is $0$-dimensional. So $M$ is the only prime ideal of $R$ containing $I$. But the radical of an ideal is the intersection of the primes containing it, so $sqrt{I} = M$.






share|cite|improve this answer












The $subset$ subset symbol is definitely meant to indicate strict inclusion here.



For the first part, since trivially $I^n subseteq I^m$ for any ideal $I$ and $n geq m$, the problem is just to prove that $M^{n+1} not= M^{n}$ given the assumption that the ring is not $0$-dimensional.



We will show contrapositively that $M^{n+1} = M^n$ implies that the ring is $0$-dimensional.



Recall that Nakayama's lemma, in one of its incarnations, states the following:




Nakayama's lemma: Let $I$ be an ideal contained in the Jacobson radical of $R$ and $M$ be a finitely generated ideal. If $IM = M$ then $M = 0$.




In a local ring, the Jacobson radical is the unique maximal ideal, which contains our non-maximal ideal $M$. Moreover $M$ is f.g. by the Noetherian assumption. So if we have $MM^n = M^n$ then Nakayama says that $M^n = 0$.



If the maximal ideal is nilpotent, then every nonunit is nilpotent, and this implies that the ring has a unique prime ideal (good elementary exercise).



Hence the ring is $0$-dimensional.



For the second part, note that $(R/I, M/I)$ is a local Noetherian ring, too. Again we show the contrapositive: if $I + M^{n+1} = I + M^n$ then $sqrt{I} = M$. By the first part, if $I + M^{n+1} = I + M^n$ then $R/I$ is $0$-dimensional. So $M$ is the only prime ideal of $R$ containing $I$. But the radical of an ideal is the intersection of the primes containing it, so $sqrt{I} = M$.







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  • It's definitely a bad idea to solve someone homework. He had already two hints in the comments. If he needed more details could have ask.
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    My intuition from the abundant confusion surrounding this question and from looking at the user's asking history was that this is somebody hopping around in self-directed study rather than doing homework, and that details would be helpful. Granted I might be very wrong about that. I tend to agree that giving out homework solutions sans dialogue doesn't help anybody. Office hours are good.
    – Badam Baplan
    13 hours ago










  • Ok. Then let's hope he'll appreciate your effort and learn something useful from the answer.
    – user26857
    11 hours ago












  • Thank you @Badam Baplan. It's not my homework, I'd study about Nakayama's lemma and Krull intersection theorem and do some exercises about these theorems.
    – Desunkid
    6 hours ago


















  • It's definitely a bad idea to solve someone homework. He had already two hints in the comments. If he needed more details could have ask.
    – user26857
    13 hours ago








  • 1




    My intuition from the abundant confusion surrounding this question and from looking at the user's asking history was that this is somebody hopping around in self-directed study rather than doing homework, and that details would be helpful. Granted I might be very wrong about that. I tend to agree that giving out homework solutions sans dialogue doesn't help anybody. Office hours are good.
    – Badam Baplan
    13 hours ago










  • Ok. Then let's hope he'll appreciate your effort and learn something useful from the answer.
    – user26857
    11 hours ago












  • Thank you @Badam Baplan. It's not my homework, I'd study about Nakayama's lemma and Krull intersection theorem and do some exercises about these theorems.
    – Desunkid
    6 hours ago
















It's definitely a bad idea to solve someone homework. He had already two hints in the comments. If he needed more details could have ask.
– user26857
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It's definitely a bad idea to solve someone homework. He had already two hints in the comments. If he needed more details could have ask.
– user26857
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My intuition from the abundant confusion surrounding this question and from looking at the user's asking history was that this is somebody hopping around in self-directed study rather than doing homework, and that details would be helpful. Granted I might be very wrong about that. I tend to agree that giving out homework solutions sans dialogue doesn't help anybody. Office hours are good.
– Badam Baplan
13 hours ago




My intuition from the abundant confusion surrounding this question and from looking at the user's asking history was that this is somebody hopping around in self-directed study rather than doing homework, and that details would be helpful. Granted I might be very wrong about that. I tend to agree that giving out homework solutions sans dialogue doesn't help anybody. Office hours are good.
– Badam Baplan
13 hours ago












Ok. Then let's hope he'll appreciate your effort and learn something useful from the answer.
– user26857
11 hours ago






Ok. Then let's hope he'll appreciate your effort and learn something useful from the answer.
– user26857
11 hours ago














Thank you @Badam Baplan. It's not my homework, I'd study about Nakayama's lemma and Krull intersection theorem and do some exercises about these theorems.
– Desunkid
6 hours ago




Thank you @Badam Baplan. It's not my homework, I'd study about Nakayama's lemma and Krull intersection theorem and do some exercises about these theorems.
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