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Let $K$ be an field extension of $F$. Then I know there is a theorem that says: $K$ is a splitting field of some polynomial over $F$ iff $K$ over $F$ is finite and normal. (Here the normal means every polynomial in $F[x]$ has a root then have all roots.)



Now, $Bbb Q(sqrt[3]{2})$ does not have all roots of $x^3-2$, so it is not normal. Is it possible that $Bbb Q(sqrt[3]{2})$ has all roots of some polynomial $p(x)$, but these roots are all not in $Bbb Q$?










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  • $Bbb Q(sqrt[3]{2})/Bbb Q(sqrt[3]{2})$ is a (trivial) normal extension, the splitting field of $x in Bbb Q(sqrt[3]{2})[x]$. For extensions of $Bbb Q$ when not specified we mean $K/Bbb Q$ is a normal extension, thus the splitting field of some $p(x) in Bbb Q[x]$.
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Let $K$ be an field extension of $F$. Then I know there is a theorem that says: $K$ is a splitting field of some polynomial over $F$ iff $K$ over $F$ is finite and normal. (Here the normal means every polynomial in $F[x]$ has a root then have all roots.)



Now, $Bbb Q(sqrt[3]{2})$ does not have all roots of $x^3-2$, so it is not normal. Is it possible that $Bbb Q(sqrt[3]{2})$ has all roots of some polynomial $p(x)$, but these roots are all not in $Bbb Q$?










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  • Is your question about a general $K$, or specifically $K=mathbb Q(sqrt[3]2)$?
    – Y. Forman
    yesterday










  • Specifically $K=Bbb Q(sqrt[3]{2})$. let me edit
    – Eric
    yesterday










  • $Bbb Q(sqrt[3]{2})/Bbb Q(sqrt[3]{2})$ is a (trivial) normal extension, the splitting field of $x in Bbb Q(sqrt[3]{2})[x]$. For extensions of $Bbb Q$ when not specified we mean $K/Bbb Q$ is a normal extension, thus the splitting field of some $p(x) in Bbb Q[x]$.
    – reuns
    yesterday















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Let $K$ be an field extension of $F$. Then I know there is a theorem that says: $K$ is a splitting field of some polynomial over $F$ iff $K$ over $F$ is finite and normal. (Here the normal means every polynomial in $F[x]$ has a root then have all roots.)



Now, $Bbb Q(sqrt[3]{2})$ does not have all roots of $x^3-2$, so it is not normal. Is it possible that $Bbb Q(sqrt[3]{2})$ has all roots of some polynomial $p(x)$, but these roots are all not in $Bbb Q$?










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Let $K$ be an field extension of $F$. Then I know there is a theorem that says: $K$ is a splitting field of some polynomial over $F$ iff $K$ over $F$ is finite and normal. (Here the normal means every polynomial in $F[x]$ has a root then have all roots.)



Now, $Bbb Q(sqrt[3]{2})$ does not have all roots of $x^3-2$, so it is not normal. Is it possible that $Bbb Q(sqrt[3]{2})$ has all roots of some polynomial $p(x)$, but these roots are all not in $Bbb Q$?







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  • Is your question about a general $K$, or specifically $K=mathbb Q(sqrt[3]2)$?
    – Y. Forman
    yesterday










  • Specifically $K=Bbb Q(sqrt[3]{2})$. let me edit
    – Eric
    yesterday










  • $Bbb Q(sqrt[3]{2})/Bbb Q(sqrt[3]{2})$ is a (trivial) normal extension, the splitting field of $x in Bbb Q(sqrt[3]{2})[x]$. For extensions of $Bbb Q$ when not specified we mean $K/Bbb Q$ is a normal extension, thus the splitting field of some $p(x) in Bbb Q[x]$.
    – reuns
    yesterday




















  • Is your question about a general $K$, or specifically $K=mathbb Q(sqrt[3]2)$?
    – Y. Forman
    yesterday










  • Specifically $K=Bbb Q(sqrt[3]{2})$. let me edit
    – Eric
    yesterday










  • $Bbb Q(sqrt[3]{2})/Bbb Q(sqrt[3]{2})$ is a (trivial) normal extension, the splitting field of $x in Bbb Q(sqrt[3]{2})[x]$. For extensions of $Bbb Q$ when not specified we mean $K/Bbb Q$ is a normal extension, thus the splitting field of some $p(x) in Bbb Q[x]$.
    – reuns
    yesterday


















Is your question about a general $K$, or specifically $K=mathbb Q(sqrt[3]2)$?
– Y. Forman
yesterday




Is your question about a general $K$, or specifically $K=mathbb Q(sqrt[3]2)$?
– Y. Forman
yesterday












Specifically $K=Bbb Q(sqrt[3]{2})$. let me edit
– Eric
yesterday




Specifically $K=Bbb Q(sqrt[3]{2})$. let me edit
– Eric
yesterday












$Bbb Q(sqrt[3]{2})/Bbb Q(sqrt[3]{2})$ is a (trivial) normal extension, the splitting field of $x in Bbb Q(sqrt[3]{2})[x]$. For extensions of $Bbb Q$ when not specified we mean $K/Bbb Q$ is a normal extension, thus the splitting field of some $p(x) in Bbb Q[x]$.
– reuns
yesterday






$Bbb Q(sqrt[3]{2})/Bbb Q(sqrt[3]{2})$ is a (trivial) normal extension, the splitting field of $x in Bbb Q(sqrt[3]{2})[x]$. For extensions of $Bbb Q$ when not specified we mean $K/Bbb Q$ is a normal extension, thus the splitting field of some $p(x) in Bbb Q[x]$.
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No.



First, such a polynomial $p(x)$ would have to be irreducible over $mathbb Q$. If it wasn't, it would split into factors at least one of which would be linear. This would yield a root in $mathbb Q$.



If $p(x)$ is such an irreducible polynomial, then we have that $mathbb Q (^3 ! sqrt2)$ contains the splitting field of $p(x)$. But this extension has no intermediate extensions. (By multiplicity of degrees of extensions).



So $mathbb Q (^3 ! sqrt2)$ becomes the splitting field for an irreducible polynomial over $mathbb Q$, which makes it a normal extension. But we know that this isn't the case - The polynomial $x^3 - 2$ has only one root here, out of the three possible.






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    They'd all have to be $notin mathbb Q$, as otherwise $p$ would be reducible.






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      No.



      First, such a polynomial $p(x)$ would have to be irreducible over $mathbb Q$. If it wasn't, it would split into factors at least one of which would be linear. This would yield a root in $mathbb Q$.



      If $p(x)$ is such an irreducible polynomial, then we have that $mathbb Q (^3 ! sqrt2)$ contains the splitting field of $p(x)$. But this extension has no intermediate extensions. (By multiplicity of degrees of extensions).



      So $mathbb Q (^3 ! sqrt2)$ becomes the splitting field for an irreducible polynomial over $mathbb Q$, which makes it a normal extension. But we know that this isn't the case - The polynomial $x^3 - 2$ has only one root here, out of the three possible.






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        No.



        First, such a polynomial $p(x)$ would have to be irreducible over $mathbb Q$. If it wasn't, it would split into factors at least one of which would be linear. This would yield a root in $mathbb Q$.



        If $p(x)$ is such an irreducible polynomial, then we have that $mathbb Q (^3 ! sqrt2)$ contains the splitting field of $p(x)$. But this extension has no intermediate extensions. (By multiplicity of degrees of extensions).



        So $mathbb Q (^3 ! sqrt2)$ becomes the splitting field for an irreducible polynomial over $mathbb Q$, which makes it a normal extension. But we know that this isn't the case - The polynomial $x^3 - 2$ has only one root here, out of the three possible.






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          No.



          First, such a polynomial $p(x)$ would have to be irreducible over $mathbb Q$. If it wasn't, it would split into factors at least one of which would be linear. This would yield a root in $mathbb Q$.



          If $p(x)$ is such an irreducible polynomial, then we have that $mathbb Q (^3 ! sqrt2)$ contains the splitting field of $p(x)$. But this extension has no intermediate extensions. (By multiplicity of degrees of extensions).



          So $mathbb Q (^3 ! sqrt2)$ becomes the splitting field for an irreducible polynomial over $mathbb Q$, which makes it a normal extension. But we know that this isn't the case - The polynomial $x^3 - 2$ has only one root here, out of the three possible.






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          No.



          First, such a polynomial $p(x)$ would have to be irreducible over $mathbb Q$. If it wasn't, it would split into factors at least one of which would be linear. This would yield a root in $mathbb Q$.



          If $p(x)$ is such an irreducible polynomial, then we have that $mathbb Q (^3 ! sqrt2)$ contains the splitting field of $p(x)$. But this extension has no intermediate extensions. (By multiplicity of degrees of extensions).



          So $mathbb Q (^3 ! sqrt2)$ becomes the splitting field for an irreducible polynomial over $mathbb Q$, which makes it a normal extension. But we know that this isn't the case - The polynomial $x^3 - 2$ has only one root here, out of the three possible.







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              They'd all have to be $notin mathbb Q$, as otherwise $p$ would be reducible.






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                They'd all have to be $notin mathbb Q$, as otherwise $p$ would be reducible.






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                  They'd all have to be $notin mathbb Q$, as otherwise $p$ would be reducible.






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                  They'd all have to be $notin mathbb Q$, as otherwise $p$ would be reducible.







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