Middle lines in octagon are congruent
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Let $A_1A_2dots A_8$ be a cyclic octagon. Suppose that $A_1A_6||A_2A_5, A_3A_8||A_4A_7$, and that $A_2A_5perp A_3A_8$. Prove that the length of the two midline segmets, one connecting the midpoints of sides $A_8A_1, A_4A_5$, and the other connecting sides $A_2A_3, A_6A_7$ are equal.
Here is an (ugly) solution with (position) vectors: Let $M_{ij}$ be the
midpoint of a chord $A_iA_j$. Let $vec{a}$ be a vector between midpoints of segments $A_2A_5$ and $A_1A_6$ so $$vec{a}=overrightarrow{M_{52}M_{16}} =M_{16}-M_{52} $$
and $vec{b}$ be a vector between midpoints of segments $A_4A_7$ and $A_3A_8$ so $$vec{b}=overrightarrow{M_{47}M_{38}} =M_{38}-M_{47} $$
Notice that $vec{a}bot vec{b}$ and $overrightarrow{A_7A_4} || overrightarrow{A_8A_3}||vec{a}$ and $overrightarrow{A_2A_5} ||overrightarrow{A_1A_6}||vec{b}$.
Then begin{eqnarray}
4overline{M_{18}M_{45}}^2 -4overline{{M_{23}M_{67}}}^2 &=& 4overrightarrow{M_{18}M_{45}}^2 -4overrightarrow{M_{23}M_{67}}^2 \
&=& (2overrightarrow{M_{18}M_{45}} -2overrightarrow{M_{23}M_{67}})(2overrightarrow{M_{18}M_{45}}+2overrightarrow{M_{23}M_{67}}) \
&=& (A_4+A_5 -A_1-A_8-A_6-A_7 +A_3+A_2)cdot \&&(A_4+A_5 -A_1-A_8+A_6+A_7 -A_3-A_2) \
&=&(overrightarrow{A_7A_4} +overrightarrow{A_8A_3}+2M_{52}-2M_{16}) cdot \&& (overrightarrow{A_2A_5} +overrightarrow{A_1A_6}+2M_{47}-2M_{38})\
&=& (mcdotvec{b} +kcdot vec{b}-2vec{b})cdot (lcdot vec{a} +ncdot vec{a}-2vec{a}) \
&=&0
end{eqnarray} and we are done.
Can somebody find nicer solution, possibly with geometric transformations?
geometry vectors euclidean-geometry geometric-transformation
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Let $A_1A_2dots A_8$ be a cyclic octagon. Suppose that $A_1A_6||A_2A_5, A_3A_8||A_4A_7$, and that $A_2A_5perp A_3A_8$. Prove that the length of the two midline segmets, one connecting the midpoints of sides $A_8A_1, A_4A_5$, and the other connecting sides $A_2A_3, A_6A_7$ are equal.
Here is an (ugly) solution with (position) vectors: Let $M_{ij}$ be the
midpoint of a chord $A_iA_j$. Let $vec{a}$ be a vector between midpoints of segments $A_2A_5$ and $A_1A_6$ so $$vec{a}=overrightarrow{M_{52}M_{16}} =M_{16}-M_{52} $$
and $vec{b}$ be a vector between midpoints of segments $A_4A_7$ and $A_3A_8$ so $$vec{b}=overrightarrow{M_{47}M_{38}} =M_{38}-M_{47} $$
Notice that $vec{a}bot vec{b}$ and $overrightarrow{A_7A_4} || overrightarrow{A_8A_3}||vec{a}$ and $overrightarrow{A_2A_5} ||overrightarrow{A_1A_6}||vec{b}$.
Then begin{eqnarray}
4overline{M_{18}M_{45}}^2 -4overline{{M_{23}M_{67}}}^2 &=& 4overrightarrow{M_{18}M_{45}}^2 -4overrightarrow{M_{23}M_{67}}^2 \
&=& (2overrightarrow{M_{18}M_{45}} -2overrightarrow{M_{23}M_{67}})(2overrightarrow{M_{18}M_{45}}+2overrightarrow{M_{23}M_{67}}) \
&=& (A_4+A_5 -A_1-A_8-A_6-A_7 +A_3+A_2)cdot \&&(A_4+A_5 -A_1-A_8+A_6+A_7 -A_3-A_2) \
&=&(overrightarrow{A_7A_4} +overrightarrow{A_8A_3}+2M_{52}-2M_{16}) cdot \&& (overrightarrow{A_2A_5} +overrightarrow{A_1A_6}+2M_{47}-2M_{38})\
&=& (mcdotvec{b} +kcdot vec{b}-2vec{b})cdot (lcdot vec{a} +ncdot vec{a}-2vec{a}) \
&=&0
end{eqnarray} and we are done.
Can somebody find nicer solution, possibly with geometric transformations?
geometry vectors euclidean-geometry geometric-transformation
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Is the blue dot O the center?
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– Muchang Bahng
Dec 26 '18 at 11:56
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Yes, and is unimportatnt in a solution i gave.
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– Maria Mazur
Dec 26 '18 at 11:56
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Although this is clearly not a duplicate (since it includes its own solution), a link to the original question seems desirable: math.stackexchange.com/questions/3052478/…
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– David K
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Let $A_1A_2dots A_8$ be a cyclic octagon. Suppose that $A_1A_6||A_2A_5, A_3A_8||A_4A_7$, and that $A_2A_5perp A_3A_8$. Prove that the length of the two midline segmets, one connecting the midpoints of sides $A_8A_1, A_4A_5$, and the other connecting sides $A_2A_3, A_6A_7$ are equal.
Here is an (ugly) solution with (position) vectors: Let $M_{ij}$ be the
midpoint of a chord $A_iA_j$. Let $vec{a}$ be a vector between midpoints of segments $A_2A_5$ and $A_1A_6$ so $$vec{a}=overrightarrow{M_{52}M_{16}} =M_{16}-M_{52} $$
and $vec{b}$ be a vector between midpoints of segments $A_4A_7$ and $A_3A_8$ so $$vec{b}=overrightarrow{M_{47}M_{38}} =M_{38}-M_{47} $$
Notice that $vec{a}bot vec{b}$ and $overrightarrow{A_7A_4} || overrightarrow{A_8A_3}||vec{a}$ and $overrightarrow{A_2A_5} ||overrightarrow{A_1A_6}||vec{b}$.
Then begin{eqnarray}
4overline{M_{18}M_{45}}^2 -4overline{{M_{23}M_{67}}}^2 &=& 4overrightarrow{M_{18}M_{45}}^2 -4overrightarrow{M_{23}M_{67}}^2 \
&=& (2overrightarrow{M_{18}M_{45}} -2overrightarrow{M_{23}M_{67}})(2overrightarrow{M_{18}M_{45}}+2overrightarrow{M_{23}M_{67}}) \
&=& (A_4+A_5 -A_1-A_8-A_6-A_7 +A_3+A_2)cdot \&&(A_4+A_5 -A_1-A_8+A_6+A_7 -A_3-A_2) \
&=&(overrightarrow{A_7A_4} +overrightarrow{A_8A_3}+2M_{52}-2M_{16}) cdot \&& (overrightarrow{A_2A_5} +overrightarrow{A_1A_6}+2M_{47}-2M_{38})\
&=& (mcdotvec{b} +kcdot vec{b}-2vec{b})cdot (lcdot vec{a} +ncdot vec{a}-2vec{a}) \
&=&0
end{eqnarray} and we are done.
Can somebody find nicer solution, possibly with geometric transformations?
geometry vectors euclidean-geometry geometric-transformation
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Let $A_1A_2dots A_8$ be a cyclic octagon. Suppose that $A_1A_6||A_2A_5, A_3A_8||A_4A_7$, and that $A_2A_5perp A_3A_8$. Prove that the length of the two midline segmets, one connecting the midpoints of sides $A_8A_1, A_4A_5$, and the other connecting sides $A_2A_3, A_6A_7$ are equal.
Here is an (ugly) solution with (position) vectors: Let $M_{ij}$ be the
midpoint of a chord $A_iA_j$. Let $vec{a}$ be a vector between midpoints of segments $A_2A_5$ and $A_1A_6$ so $$vec{a}=overrightarrow{M_{52}M_{16}} =M_{16}-M_{52} $$
and $vec{b}$ be a vector between midpoints of segments $A_4A_7$ and $A_3A_8$ so $$vec{b}=overrightarrow{M_{47}M_{38}} =M_{38}-M_{47} $$
Notice that $vec{a}bot vec{b}$ and $overrightarrow{A_7A_4} || overrightarrow{A_8A_3}||vec{a}$ and $overrightarrow{A_2A_5} ||overrightarrow{A_1A_6}||vec{b}$.
Then begin{eqnarray}
4overline{M_{18}M_{45}}^2 -4overline{{M_{23}M_{67}}}^2 &=& 4overrightarrow{M_{18}M_{45}}^2 -4overrightarrow{M_{23}M_{67}}^2 \
&=& (2overrightarrow{M_{18}M_{45}} -2overrightarrow{M_{23}M_{67}})(2overrightarrow{M_{18}M_{45}}+2overrightarrow{M_{23}M_{67}}) \
&=& (A_4+A_5 -A_1-A_8-A_6-A_7 +A_3+A_2)cdot \&&(A_4+A_5 -A_1-A_8+A_6+A_7 -A_3-A_2) \
&=&(overrightarrow{A_7A_4} +overrightarrow{A_8A_3}+2M_{52}-2M_{16}) cdot \&& (overrightarrow{A_2A_5} +overrightarrow{A_1A_6}+2M_{47}-2M_{38})\
&=& (mcdotvec{b} +kcdot vec{b}-2vec{b})cdot (lcdot vec{a} +ncdot vec{a}-2vec{a}) \
&=&0
end{eqnarray} and we are done.
Can somebody find nicer solution, possibly with geometric transformations?
geometry vectors euclidean-geometry geometric-transformation
geometry vectors euclidean-geometry geometric-transformation
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Is the blue dot O the center?
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– Muchang Bahng
Dec 26 '18 at 11:56
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Yes, and is unimportatnt in a solution i gave.
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– Maria Mazur
Dec 26 '18 at 11:56
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Although this is clearly not a duplicate (since it includes its own solution), a link to the original question seems desirable: math.stackexchange.com/questions/3052478/…
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– David K
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Is the blue dot O the center?
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– Muchang Bahng
Dec 26 '18 at 11:56
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Yes, and is unimportatnt in a solution i gave.
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– Maria Mazur
Dec 26 '18 at 11:56
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Although this is clearly not a duplicate (since it includes its own solution), a link to the original question seems desirable: math.stackexchange.com/questions/3052478/…
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– David K
Dec 26 '18 at 15:08
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Is the blue dot O the center?
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– Muchang Bahng
Dec 26 '18 at 11:56
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Is the blue dot O the center?
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– Muchang Bahng
Dec 26 '18 at 11:56
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Yes, and is unimportatnt in a solution i gave.
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– Maria Mazur
Dec 26 '18 at 11:56
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Yes, and is unimportatnt in a solution i gave.
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– Maria Mazur
Dec 26 '18 at 11:56
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Although this is clearly not a duplicate (since it includes its own solution), a link to the original question seems desirable: math.stackexchange.com/questions/3052478/…
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– David K
Dec 26 '18 at 15:08
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Although this is clearly not a duplicate (since it includes its own solution), a link to the original question seems desirable: math.stackexchange.com/questions/3052478/…
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If this were graphed onto a coordinate plane temporarily, focus on the y-values of all points $A_1,A_2,...,A_8$.
We know that $A_1=A_6$ and $A_2=A_5$, while $A_3+A_8=A_4+A_7$ since they are parallel chords. So, $frac{A_1+A_2+A_3+A_8}{4}=frac{A_4+A_5+A_6+A_7}{4}$. This is important because if we rewrite it, it is $frac{frac{A_1+A_8}{2} +frac{A_2+A_3}{2}}{2}$=$frac{frac{A_7+A_6}{2} +frac{A_4+A_5}{2}}{2}$, translating into $frac{M_{18}+M_{23}}{2}=frac{M_{67}+M_{45}}{2}$.
So when we draw lines $M_{18}M_{23}$ and $M_{67}M_{45}$, their midpoints $M_{1823}$ and $M_{6745}$ have the same y-values. The two lines are also parallel, so the perpendicular bisectors of both $M_{18}M_{23}$ and $M_{67}M_{45}$ is the same line. For convenience, assume that this perpendicular bisector crosses over the black point in the diagram, call it K. By the properties of a perpendicular bisector on both $M_{18}M_{23}$ and $M_{67}M_{45}$, $KM_{67}=KM_{45}$ and $KM_{18}=KM_{23}$.
Also, angle $M_{18}KM_{67}$ is congruent to the angle $M_{23}KM_{45}$, meaning that $M_{18}KM_{67}+M_{67}KM_{45}$=$M_{23}KM_{45}+M_{67}KM_{45}$ so $M_{18}KM_{45}=M_{67}KM_{23}$.
Thus, by SAS, triangles $M_{18}KM_{45}$ and $M_{67}KM_{23}$ are congruent, meaning that $M_{67}M_{23}=M_{18}M_{45}$ and we're done.
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Why is this true: angle $M_{18}KM_{67}$ is congruent to the angle $M_{23}KM_{45}$?
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– Maria Mazur
Dec 26 '18 at 12:57
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Sorry for the relatively messy diagram, but I added a picture showing why
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– Muchang Bahng
Dec 26 '18 at 16:15
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How do you know that that green line actualy separate 2A and 2B angles?
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Dec 26 '18 at 16:34
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+1 for effort :)
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– Maria Mazur
Dec 26 '18 at 16:45
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Haha, yea sorry for not being so clear about it. Since we proved that the green line is a perpendicular bisector for both $M_{18}M_{23}$ and $M_{45}M_{67}$, we can draw the two pairs of congruent right triangles on the right and on the left. By SAS, the two right side triangles and two left side triangles are congruent, meaning that the corresponding angles of the triangles are congruent.
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Dec 27 '18 at 1:49
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Here is another solution motivated by Muchang Bahng writings:
Set a coordinate system so that perpendicular bisector for $A_4A_7$ (which is also for $A_3A_8$) be a x-axsis and a perpenduclar bisector for $A_1A_6$ (which is also for $A_2A_4$) be a y-axsis, in particular, let $$ M_{17}= (2b,0);;;; {rm and } ;;;;M_{38}= (-2a,0)$$ and
$$ M_{25}= (0,-2d);;;; {rm and } ;;;;M_{16}= (0,2c)$$
then $$ A_{1}= (-2k,2c);;;; {rm and } ;;;;A_{6}= (2k,2c)$$
$$ A_{2}= (-2l,-2d);;;; {rm and } ;;;;A_{5}= (2l,-2d)$$
$$ A_{3}= (-2a,-2m);;;; {rm and } ;;;;A_{8}= (-2a,2m)$$
$$ A_{4}= (2b,-2n);;;; {rm and } ;;;;A_{7}= (2b,2n)$$
thus $$ M_{18}= (-a-k,c+d);;;; {rm and } ;;;;M_{23}= (-l-a,-m-a)$$
$$ M_{45}= (l+b,-n-d);;;; {rm and } ;;;;M_{67}= (b+k,n+c)$$
So $$ overline{M_{18}M_{45}}^2 = (c+m+n+d)^2+(l+b+a+k)^2 = overline{M_{23}M_{67}}^2$$
and we are done.
Hmm, much easier then first solution and we never used that $A_i$ are actualy on a circle!
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If this were graphed onto a coordinate plane temporarily, focus on the y-values of all points $A_1,A_2,...,A_8$.
We know that $A_1=A_6$ and $A_2=A_5$, while $A_3+A_8=A_4+A_7$ since they are parallel chords. So, $frac{A_1+A_2+A_3+A_8}{4}=frac{A_4+A_5+A_6+A_7}{4}$. This is important because if we rewrite it, it is $frac{frac{A_1+A_8}{2} +frac{A_2+A_3}{2}}{2}$=$frac{frac{A_7+A_6}{2} +frac{A_4+A_5}{2}}{2}$, translating into $frac{M_{18}+M_{23}}{2}=frac{M_{67}+M_{45}}{2}$.
So when we draw lines $M_{18}M_{23}$ and $M_{67}M_{45}$, their midpoints $M_{1823}$ and $M_{6745}$ have the same y-values. The two lines are also parallel, so the perpendicular bisectors of both $M_{18}M_{23}$ and $M_{67}M_{45}$ is the same line. For convenience, assume that this perpendicular bisector crosses over the black point in the diagram, call it K. By the properties of a perpendicular bisector on both $M_{18}M_{23}$ and $M_{67}M_{45}$, $KM_{67}=KM_{45}$ and $KM_{18}=KM_{23}$.
Also, angle $M_{18}KM_{67}$ is congruent to the angle $M_{23}KM_{45}$, meaning that $M_{18}KM_{67}+M_{67}KM_{45}$=$M_{23}KM_{45}+M_{67}KM_{45}$ so $M_{18}KM_{45}=M_{67}KM_{23}$.
Thus, by SAS, triangles $M_{18}KM_{45}$ and $M_{67}KM_{23}$ are congruent, meaning that $M_{67}M_{23}=M_{18}M_{45}$ and we're done.
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Why is this true: angle $M_{18}KM_{67}$ is congruent to the angle $M_{23}KM_{45}$?
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– Maria Mazur
Dec 26 '18 at 12:57
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Sorry for the relatively messy diagram, but I added a picture showing why
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– Muchang Bahng
Dec 26 '18 at 16:15
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How do you know that that green line actualy separate 2A and 2B angles?
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– Maria Mazur
Dec 26 '18 at 16:34
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+1 for effort :)
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– Maria Mazur
Dec 26 '18 at 16:45
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Haha, yea sorry for not being so clear about it. Since we proved that the green line is a perpendicular bisector for both $M_{18}M_{23}$ and $M_{45}M_{67}$, we can draw the two pairs of congruent right triangles on the right and on the left. By SAS, the two right side triangles and two left side triangles are congruent, meaning that the corresponding angles of the triangles are congruent.
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– Muchang Bahng
Dec 27 '18 at 1:49
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If this were graphed onto a coordinate plane temporarily, focus on the y-values of all points $A_1,A_2,...,A_8$.
We know that $A_1=A_6$ and $A_2=A_5$, while $A_3+A_8=A_4+A_7$ since they are parallel chords. So, $frac{A_1+A_2+A_3+A_8}{4}=frac{A_4+A_5+A_6+A_7}{4}$. This is important because if we rewrite it, it is $frac{frac{A_1+A_8}{2} +frac{A_2+A_3}{2}}{2}$=$frac{frac{A_7+A_6}{2} +frac{A_4+A_5}{2}}{2}$, translating into $frac{M_{18}+M_{23}}{2}=frac{M_{67}+M_{45}}{2}$.
So when we draw lines $M_{18}M_{23}$ and $M_{67}M_{45}$, their midpoints $M_{1823}$ and $M_{6745}$ have the same y-values. The two lines are also parallel, so the perpendicular bisectors of both $M_{18}M_{23}$ and $M_{67}M_{45}$ is the same line. For convenience, assume that this perpendicular bisector crosses over the black point in the diagram, call it K. By the properties of a perpendicular bisector on both $M_{18}M_{23}$ and $M_{67}M_{45}$, $KM_{67}=KM_{45}$ and $KM_{18}=KM_{23}$.
Also, angle $M_{18}KM_{67}$ is congruent to the angle $M_{23}KM_{45}$, meaning that $M_{18}KM_{67}+M_{67}KM_{45}$=$M_{23}KM_{45}+M_{67}KM_{45}$ so $M_{18}KM_{45}=M_{67}KM_{23}$.
Thus, by SAS, triangles $M_{18}KM_{45}$ and $M_{67}KM_{23}$ are congruent, meaning that $M_{67}M_{23}=M_{18}M_{45}$ and we're done.
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Why is this true: angle $M_{18}KM_{67}$ is congruent to the angle $M_{23}KM_{45}$?
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– Maria Mazur
Dec 26 '18 at 12:57
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Sorry for the relatively messy diagram, but I added a picture showing why
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– Muchang Bahng
Dec 26 '18 at 16:15
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How do you know that that green line actualy separate 2A and 2B angles?
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– Maria Mazur
Dec 26 '18 at 16:34
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+1 for effort :)
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– Maria Mazur
Dec 26 '18 at 16:45
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Haha, yea sorry for not being so clear about it. Since we proved that the green line is a perpendicular bisector for both $M_{18}M_{23}$ and $M_{45}M_{67}$, we can draw the two pairs of congruent right triangles on the right and on the left. By SAS, the two right side triangles and two left side triangles are congruent, meaning that the corresponding angles of the triangles are congruent.
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– Muchang Bahng
Dec 27 '18 at 1:49
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If this were graphed onto a coordinate plane temporarily, focus on the y-values of all points $A_1,A_2,...,A_8$.
We know that $A_1=A_6$ and $A_2=A_5$, while $A_3+A_8=A_4+A_7$ since they are parallel chords. So, $frac{A_1+A_2+A_3+A_8}{4}=frac{A_4+A_5+A_6+A_7}{4}$. This is important because if we rewrite it, it is $frac{frac{A_1+A_8}{2} +frac{A_2+A_3}{2}}{2}$=$frac{frac{A_7+A_6}{2} +frac{A_4+A_5}{2}}{2}$, translating into $frac{M_{18}+M_{23}}{2}=frac{M_{67}+M_{45}}{2}$.
So when we draw lines $M_{18}M_{23}$ and $M_{67}M_{45}$, their midpoints $M_{1823}$ and $M_{6745}$ have the same y-values. The two lines are also parallel, so the perpendicular bisectors of both $M_{18}M_{23}$ and $M_{67}M_{45}$ is the same line. For convenience, assume that this perpendicular bisector crosses over the black point in the diagram, call it K. By the properties of a perpendicular bisector on both $M_{18}M_{23}$ and $M_{67}M_{45}$, $KM_{67}=KM_{45}$ and $KM_{18}=KM_{23}$.
Also, angle $M_{18}KM_{67}$ is congruent to the angle $M_{23}KM_{45}$, meaning that $M_{18}KM_{67}+M_{67}KM_{45}$=$M_{23}KM_{45}+M_{67}KM_{45}$ so $M_{18}KM_{45}=M_{67}KM_{23}$.
Thus, by SAS, triangles $M_{18}KM_{45}$ and $M_{67}KM_{23}$ are congruent, meaning that $M_{67}M_{23}=M_{18}M_{45}$ and we're done.
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If this were graphed onto a coordinate plane temporarily, focus on the y-values of all points $A_1,A_2,...,A_8$.
We know that $A_1=A_6$ and $A_2=A_5$, while $A_3+A_8=A_4+A_7$ since they are parallel chords. So, $frac{A_1+A_2+A_3+A_8}{4}=frac{A_4+A_5+A_6+A_7}{4}$. This is important because if we rewrite it, it is $frac{frac{A_1+A_8}{2} +frac{A_2+A_3}{2}}{2}$=$frac{frac{A_7+A_6}{2} +frac{A_4+A_5}{2}}{2}$, translating into $frac{M_{18}+M_{23}}{2}=frac{M_{67}+M_{45}}{2}$.
So when we draw lines $M_{18}M_{23}$ and $M_{67}M_{45}$, their midpoints $M_{1823}$ and $M_{6745}$ have the same y-values. The two lines are also parallel, so the perpendicular bisectors of both $M_{18}M_{23}$ and $M_{67}M_{45}$ is the same line. For convenience, assume that this perpendicular bisector crosses over the black point in the diagram, call it K. By the properties of a perpendicular bisector on both $M_{18}M_{23}$ and $M_{67}M_{45}$, $KM_{67}=KM_{45}$ and $KM_{18}=KM_{23}$.
Also, angle $M_{18}KM_{67}$ is congruent to the angle $M_{23}KM_{45}$, meaning that $M_{18}KM_{67}+M_{67}KM_{45}$=$M_{23}KM_{45}+M_{67}KM_{45}$ so $M_{18}KM_{45}=M_{67}KM_{23}$.
Thus, by SAS, triangles $M_{18}KM_{45}$ and $M_{67}KM_{23}$ are congruent, meaning that $M_{67}M_{23}=M_{18}M_{45}$ and we're done.
edited Dec 26 '18 at 16:16
answered Dec 26 '18 at 12:40
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Why is this true: angle $M_{18}KM_{67}$ is congruent to the angle $M_{23}KM_{45}$?
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– Maria Mazur
Dec 26 '18 at 12:57
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Sorry for the relatively messy diagram, but I added a picture showing why
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– Muchang Bahng
Dec 26 '18 at 16:15
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How do you know that that green line actualy separate 2A and 2B angles?
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– Maria Mazur
Dec 26 '18 at 16:34
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+1 for effort :)
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– Maria Mazur
Dec 26 '18 at 16:45
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Haha, yea sorry for not being so clear about it. Since we proved that the green line is a perpendicular bisector for both $M_{18}M_{23}$ and $M_{45}M_{67}$, we can draw the two pairs of congruent right triangles on the right and on the left. By SAS, the two right side triangles and two left side triangles are congruent, meaning that the corresponding angles of the triangles are congruent.
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– Muchang Bahng
Dec 27 '18 at 1:49
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Why is this true: angle $M_{18}KM_{67}$ is congruent to the angle $M_{23}KM_{45}$?
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– Maria Mazur
Dec 26 '18 at 12:57
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Sorry for the relatively messy diagram, but I added a picture showing why
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– Muchang Bahng
Dec 26 '18 at 16:15
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How do you know that that green line actualy separate 2A and 2B angles?
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– Maria Mazur
Dec 26 '18 at 16:34
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+1 for effort :)
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– Maria Mazur
Dec 26 '18 at 16:45
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Haha, yea sorry for not being so clear about it. Since we proved that the green line is a perpendicular bisector for both $M_{18}M_{23}$ and $M_{45}M_{67}$, we can draw the two pairs of congruent right triangles on the right and on the left. By SAS, the two right side triangles and two left side triangles are congruent, meaning that the corresponding angles of the triangles are congruent.
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– Muchang Bahng
Dec 27 '18 at 1:49
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Why is this true: angle $M_{18}KM_{67}$ is congruent to the angle $M_{23}KM_{45}$?
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– Maria Mazur
Dec 26 '18 at 12:57
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Why is this true: angle $M_{18}KM_{67}$ is congruent to the angle $M_{23}KM_{45}$?
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– Maria Mazur
Dec 26 '18 at 12:57
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Sorry for the relatively messy diagram, but I added a picture showing why
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– Muchang Bahng
Dec 26 '18 at 16:15
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Sorry for the relatively messy diagram, but I added a picture showing why
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– Muchang Bahng
Dec 26 '18 at 16:15
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How do you know that that green line actualy separate 2A and 2B angles?
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– Maria Mazur
Dec 26 '18 at 16:34
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How do you know that that green line actualy separate 2A and 2B angles?
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– Maria Mazur
Dec 26 '18 at 16:34
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+1 for effort :)
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– Maria Mazur
Dec 26 '18 at 16:45
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+1 for effort :)
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– Maria Mazur
Dec 26 '18 at 16:45
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Haha, yea sorry for not being so clear about it. Since we proved that the green line is a perpendicular bisector for both $M_{18}M_{23}$ and $M_{45}M_{67}$, we can draw the two pairs of congruent right triangles on the right and on the left. By SAS, the two right side triangles and two left side triangles are congruent, meaning that the corresponding angles of the triangles are congruent.
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– Muchang Bahng
Dec 27 '18 at 1:49
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Haha, yea sorry for not being so clear about it. Since we proved that the green line is a perpendicular bisector for both $M_{18}M_{23}$ and $M_{45}M_{67}$, we can draw the two pairs of congruent right triangles on the right and on the left. By SAS, the two right side triangles and two left side triangles are congruent, meaning that the corresponding angles of the triangles are congruent.
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– Muchang Bahng
Dec 27 '18 at 1:49
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Here is another solution motivated by Muchang Bahng writings:
Set a coordinate system so that perpendicular bisector for $A_4A_7$ (which is also for $A_3A_8$) be a x-axsis and a perpenduclar bisector for $A_1A_6$ (which is also for $A_2A_4$) be a y-axsis, in particular, let $$ M_{17}= (2b,0);;;; {rm and } ;;;;M_{38}= (-2a,0)$$ and
$$ M_{25}= (0,-2d);;;; {rm and } ;;;;M_{16}= (0,2c)$$
then $$ A_{1}= (-2k,2c);;;; {rm and } ;;;;A_{6}= (2k,2c)$$
$$ A_{2}= (-2l,-2d);;;; {rm and } ;;;;A_{5}= (2l,-2d)$$
$$ A_{3}= (-2a,-2m);;;; {rm and } ;;;;A_{8}= (-2a,2m)$$
$$ A_{4}= (2b,-2n);;;; {rm and } ;;;;A_{7}= (2b,2n)$$
thus $$ M_{18}= (-a-k,c+d);;;; {rm and } ;;;;M_{23}= (-l-a,-m-a)$$
$$ M_{45}= (l+b,-n-d);;;; {rm and } ;;;;M_{67}= (b+k,n+c)$$
So $$ overline{M_{18}M_{45}}^2 = (c+m+n+d)^2+(l+b+a+k)^2 = overline{M_{23}M_{67}}^2$$
and we are done.
Hmm, much easier then first solution and we never used that $A_i$ are actualy on a circle!
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Here is another solution motivated by Muchang Bahng writings:
Set a coordinate system so that perpendicular bisector for $A_4A_7$ (which is also for $A_3A_8$) be a x-axsis and a perpenduclar bisector for $A_1A_6$ (which is also for $A_2A_4$) be a y-axsis, in particular, let $$ M_{17}= (2b,0);;;; {rm and } ;;;;M_{38}= (-2a,0)$$ and
$$ M_{25}= (0,-2d);;;; {rm and } ;;;;M_{16}= (0,2c)$$
then $$ A_{1}= (-2k,2c);;;; {rm and } ;;;;A_{6}= (2k,2c)$$
$$ A_{2}= (-2l,-2d);;;; {rm and } ;;;;A_{5}= (2l,-2d)$$
$$ A_{3}= (-2a,-2m);;;; {rm and } ;;;;A_{8}= (-2a,2m)$$
$$ A_{4}= (2b,-2n);;;; {rm and } ;;;;A_{7}= (2b,2n)$$
thus $$ M_{18}= (-a-k,c+d);;;; {rm and } ;;;;M_{23}= (-l-a,-m-a)$$
$$ M_{45}= (l+b,-n-d);;;; {rm and } ;;;;M_{67}= (b+k,n+c)$$
So $$ overline{M_{18}M_{45}}^2 = (c+m+n+d)^2+(l+b+a+k)^2 = overline{M_{23}M_{67}}^2$$
and we are done.
Hmm, much easier then first solution and we never used that $A_i$ are actualy on a circle!
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add a comment |
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Here is another solution motivated by Muchang Bahng writings:
Set a coordinate system so that perpendicular bisector for $A_4A_7$ (which is also for $A_3A_8$) be a x-axsis and a perpenduclar bisector for $A_1A_6$ (which is also for $A_2A_4$) be a y-axsis, in particular, let $$ M_{17}= (2b,0);;;; {rm and } ;;;;M_{38}= (-2a,0)$$ and
$$ M_{25}= (0,-2d);;;; {rm and } ;;;;M_{16}= (0,2c)$$
then $$ A_{1}= (-2k,2c);;;; {rm and } ;;;;A_{6}= (2k,2c)$$
$$ A_{2}= (-2l,-2d);;;; {rm and } ;;;;A_{5}= (2l,-2d)$$
$$ A_{3}= (-2a,-2m);;;; {rm and } ;;;;A_{8}= (-2a,2m)$$
$$ A_{4}= (2b,-2n);;;; {rm and } ;;;;A_{7}= (2b,2n)$$
thus $$ M_{18}= (-a-k,c+d);;;; {rm and } ;;;;M_{23}= (-l-a,-m-a)$$
$$ M_{45}= (l+b,-n-d);;;; {rm and } ;;;;M_{67}= (b+k,n+c)$$
So $$ overline{M_{18}M_{45}}^2 = (c+m+n+d)^2+(l+b+a+k)^2 = overline{M_{23}M_{67}}^2$$
and we are done.
Hmm, much easier then first solution and we never used that $A_i$ are actualy on a circle!
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Here is another solution motivated by Muchang Bahng writings:
Set a coordinate system so that perpendicular bisector for $A_4A_7$ (which is also for $A_3A_8$) be a x-axsis and a perpenduclar bisector for $A_1A_6$ (which is also for $A_2A_4$) be a y-axsis, in particular, let $$ M_{17}= (2b,0);;;; {rm and } ;;;;M_{38}= (-2a,0)$$ and
$$ M_{25}= (0,-2d);;;; {rm and } ;;;;M_{16}= (0,2c)$$
then $$ A_{1}= (-2k,2c);;;; {rm and } ;;;;A_{6}= (2k,2c)$$
$$ A_{2}= (-2l,-2d);;;; {rm and } ;;;;A_{5}= (2l,-2d)$$
$$ A_{3}= (-2a,-2m);;;; {rm and } ;;;;A_{8}= (-2a,2m)$$
$$ A_{4}= (2b,-2n);;;; {rm and } ;;;;A_{7}= (2b,2n)$$
thus $$ M_{18}= (-a-k,c+d);;;; {rm and } ;;;;M_{23}= (-l-a,-m-a)$$
$$ M_{45}= (l+b,-n-d);;;; {rm and } ;;;;M_{67}= (b+k,n+c)$$
So $$ overline{M_{18}M_{45}}^2 = (c+m+n+d)^2+(l+b+a+k)^2 = overline{M_{23}M_{67}}^2$$
and we are done.
Hmm, much easier then first solution and we never used that $A_i$ are actualy on a circle!
answered Dec 26 '18 at 14:49
Maria MazurMaria Mazur
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Is the blue dot O the center?
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– Muchang Bahng
Dec 26 '18 at 11:56
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Yes, and is unimportatnt in a solution i gave.
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– Maria Mazur
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Although this is clearly not a duplicate (since it includes its own solution), a link to the original question seems desirable: math.stackexchange.com/questions/3052478/…
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