How can $y=sqrt{4-3x}$ be a function? [duplicate]
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can someone please explain how can $y=sqrt{4-3x}$ be a function? I thought any equation that has a square root sign is not a function, because of the ± sign in front of it? For example, lets say we substitute $-1$ into $x$, $y$ would be ±$sqrt{7}$ since $y=sqrt{4-3(-1)}$ = $y=sqrt{4+3}$ =±$sqrt{7}$. Isn't this means that a single x-value can correspond to different y-values and by definition, isn't means that this is not a function? Can someone please help me and clear things out? What are my mistakes? Thank you.
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can someone please explain how can $y=sqrt{4-3x}$ be a function? I thought any equation that has a square root sign is not a function, because of the ± sign in front of it? For example, lets say we substitute $-1$ into $x$, $y$ would be ±$sqrt{7}$ since $y=sqrt{4-3(-1)}$ = $y=sqrt{4+3}$ =±$sqrt{7}$. Isn't this means that a single x-value can correspond to different y-values and by definition, isn't means that this is not a function? Can someone please help me and clear things out? What are my mistakes? Thank you.
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When one writes, e.g., $sqrt x$, the non-negative root is specified.
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What Lulu may have meant is that with even roots, we always take the positive one...by agreement. It is not a natural law, but everybody repects it.
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Why on earth would anyone downvote this? The asker, even though clearly at an early level in their math education, researched enough to even use MathJax.
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@MattSamuel It's a problem for years: some rather careless members of the site seem to believe that asking something that is clear for them deserves a downvote. Nonsensical, indeed. This is a nice question. +1
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can someone please explain how can $y=sqrt{4-3x}$ be a function? I thought any equation that has a square root sign is not a function, because of the ± sign in front of it? For example, lets say we substitute $-1$ into $x$, $y$ would be ±$sqrt{7}$ since $y=sqrt{4-3(-1)}$ = $y=sqrt{4+3}$ =±$sqrt{7}$. Isn't this means that a single x-value can correspond to different y-values and by definition, isn't means that this is not a function? Can someone please help me and clear things out? What are my mistakes? Thank you.
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can someone please explain how can $y=sqrt{4-3x}$ be a function? I thought any equation that has a square root sign is not a function, because of the ± sign in front of it? For example, lets say we substitute $-1$ into $x$, $y$ would be ±$sqrt{7}$ since $y=sqrt{4-3(-1)}$ = $y=sqrt{4+3}$ =±$sqrt{7}$. Isn't this means that a single x-value can correspond to different y-values and by definition, isn't means that this is not a function? Can someone please help me and clear things out? What are my mistakes? Thank you.
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When one writes, e.g., $sqrt x$, the non-negative root is specified.
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– lulu
Dec 22 '18 at 12:21
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What Lulu may have meant is that with even roots, we always take the positive one...by agreement. It is not a natural law, but everybody repects it.
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– DonAntonio
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Why on earth would anyone downvote this? The asker, even though clearly at an early level in their math education, researched enough to even use MathJax.
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@MattSamuel It's a problem for years: some rather careless members of the site seem to believe that asking something that is clear for them deserves a downvote. Nonsensical, indeed. This is a nice question. +1
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When one writes, e.g., $sqrt x$, the non-negative root is specified.
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– lulu
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What Lulu may have meant is that with even roots, we always take the positive one...by agreement. It is not a natural law, but everybody repects it.
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– DonAntonio
Dec 22 '18 at 12:24
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Why on earth would anyone downvote this? The asker, even though clearly at an early level in their math education, researched enough to even use MathJax.
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– Matt Samuel
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@MattSamuel It's a problem for years: some rather careless members of the site seem to believe that asking something that is clear for them deserves a downvote. Nonsensical, indeed. This is a nice question. +1
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This question comes up about once a day, and for the life of me I can't find a good reference answer to it.
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When one writes, e.g., $sqrt x$, the non-negative root is specified.
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– lulu
Dec 22 '18 at 12:21
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When one writes, e.g., $sqrt x$, the non-negative root is specified.
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– lulu
Dec 22 '18 at 12:21
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What Lulu may have meant is that with even roots, we always take the positive one...by agreement. It is not a natural law, but everybody repects it.
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– DonAntonio
Dec 22 '18 at 12:24
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What Lulu may have meant is that with even roots, we always take the positive one...by agreement. It is not a natural law, but everybody repects it.
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– DonAntonio
Dec 22 '18 at 12:24
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Why on earth would anyone downvote this? The asker, even though clearly at an early level in their math education, researched enough to even use MathJax.
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– Matt Samuel
Dec 22 '18 at 12:24
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Why on earth would anyone downvote this? The asker, even though clearly at an early level in their math education, researched enough to even use MathJax.
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– Matt Samuel
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@MattSamuel It's a problem for years: some rather careless members of the site seem to believe that asking something that is clear for them deserves a downvote. Nonsensical, indeed. This is a nice question. +1
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@MattSamuel It's a problem for years: some rather careless members of the site seem to believe that asking something that is clear for them deserves a downvote. Nonsensical, indeed. This is a nice question. +1
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The square root sign explicitly denotes the nonnegative root of a nonnegative real number. If you want to indicate the negative root, you use $-sqrt{r}$. If you want to indicate all square roots of the number, that is written as $pmsqrt{r}$.
In summary, the square root symbol does not denote two values. By convention, it is the nonnegative value. One could say philosophically that this is arbitrary, but there are some obvious advantages to letting it be the nonnegative root. For one, the positive root is used more often.
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Correction: "The square root sign explicitely denotes the nonnegative root of a nonnegative real number."
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– md2perpe
Dec 22 '18 at 12:27
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@md2perpe Nitpicky and arguable, but I'll change it. Of course math is supposed to be the realm of nitpickiness, but who's to say that when I say "positive root" it couldn't be the same as the "negative root", because maybe I don't necessarily mean that it's a positive or negative number.
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Dec 22 '18 at 12:29
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@MattSamuel Hello sir, thank you very much for your answer, but i still have a question. So are you saying that the ± sign doesn't apply to all square root sign? Because, in my test i gave my answer only in positive, however i lost 1 mark because i didnt include the negative answer.
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– Fred Weasley
Dec 22 '18 at 12:37
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@Tfue If that was for a different question, that actually is exactly what we are all saying. If you just wrote $sqrt{r}$, that does not include the negative answer. If you wanted both, you'd write $sqrt{r}$ and $-sqrt{r}$, or $pmsqrt{r}$.
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– Matt Samuel
Dec 22 '18 at 12:38
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@MattSamuel. There is one case with $r$ being nonnegative but $sqrt{r}$ not positive: $r=0.$
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$sqrt{}:[0,infty)tomathbb R$ prescribed by: $$xmapstotext{ non-negative }ytext{ satisfying }y^2=x$$ is a function because this non-negative $y$ with $y^2=x$ is unique.
If $f:left(-infty,frac34right]to[0,infty)$ is a function prescribed by: $$xmapsto 3-4x$$ then also the composition $$sqrt{}circ f:left(-infty,frac34right]tomathbb R$$ is a function.
Its prescription is denoted as: $$xmapstosqrt{3-4x}$$
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Upvoted as it shows domain and range are important to defining function
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There is no confusion in finding the values of $$y=sqrt {4-3x}$$ for $xin (-infty,4/3]$.
You do not have $pm $ in front of the radical sign which means you simply pick the positive square root.
Note that for example $$sqrt {16}=4$$ and $$-sqrt {16} =-4$$
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You pretty much answer the question yourself, albeit unknowingly.
I thought any equation that has a square root sign is not a function, because of the ± sign in front of it?
Yes, you're absolutely right. If it has the $pm$ sign, we can't call it a function, but what you wrote was
$y=sqrt{4-3x}$
which does NOT have the $pm$ sign in front.
And the consensus is that when we don't have a sign in front of the radical sign, we always interpret it to mean the non-negative root. Thus, it is a function.
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Thank you for your answer, however i thought every square root sign has a ± sign infront of it, we just dont write it?
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– Fred Weasley
Dec 22 '18 at 12:35
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@Tfue Nope. You need to write the $pm$ sign if that's what you want, and if it's not there then it's not implied. Think about it; otherwise how would we denote the positive root? $+sqrt{r}$? That gets annoying, especially when it is used a lot.
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Don't confuse the symbol $sqrt{a}$ with the solutions of the equation $x^2=a$.
They are distinct things: $sqrt{a}$ is, by commonly agreed convention, the unique nonnegative real number $b$ such that $b^2=a$ (provided such $b$ exists, which it does when $age0$).
With this convention, the solutions of $x^2=a$, for $age0$, are $sqrt{a}$ and $-sqrt{a}$. This is often written as $pmsqrt{a}$, but I find the symbol misleading.
The confusion between the two concepts has, unfortunately, been perpetuated for a long time. Be assured that all professional mathematicians have no doubt to agree with the convention stated above.
My high school textbook tried to clear up this confusion by introducing a new symbol (a square root with a kind of hook at the end of the vinculum) for denoting “both square roots” at the same time. This is of course even more misleading: assuming the radical symbol stands for the modified one, how many values should the expression
$$
sqrt{4}+sqrt{9}+sqrt{16}
$$
denote? Eight, possibly. Does this have practical uses? None.
Using $sqrt{a}$ to denote the unique nonnegative real number whose square is $a$ is handy and has several nice properties, the main one being that, for $x,yge0$,
$$
sqrt{xyvphantom{l}}=sqrt{xvphantom{ly}},sqrt{yvphantom{l}}
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When the square root is used alone, it indicates only the principle square root, a non-negative value.
It’s a common misconception to think $x = sqrt n$ is the same as $x^2 = n$. However, the first has only one solution, while the second has two: $x = pmsqrt{n}$.
For instance, $x = sqrt 4$ means only the positive square root of $4$, so you have $x = color{blue}{+}2$.
However, the solutions of $x^2 = 4$ are $x = color{blue}{pm 2}$, so the squared equation has two solutions.
Likewise, $y = sqrt{4-3x}$ is a function because you take only the positive root.
On the other hand, if you had $y^2 = 4-3x$, you would be correct. This would be the equivalent to having $y = pmsqrt{4-3x}$. Note that the original function does not have the $pm$ sign, which makes all the difference.
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The square root sign explicitly denotes the nonnegative root of a nonnegative real number. If you want to indicate the negative root, you use $-sqrt{r}$. If you want to indicate all square roots of the number, that is written as $pmsqrt{r}$.
In summary, the square root symbol does not denote two values. By convention, it is the nonnegative value. One could say philosophically that this is arbitrary, but there are some obvious advantages to letting it be the nonnegative root. For one, the positive root is used more often.
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Correction: "The square root sign explicitely denotes the nonnegative root of a nonnegative real number."
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– md2perpe
Dec 22 '18 at 12:27
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@md2perpe Nitpicky and arguable, but I'll change it. Of course math is supposed to be the realm of nitpickiness, but who's to say that when I say "positive root" it couldn't be the same as the "negative root", because maybe I don't necessarily mean that it's a positive or negative number.
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– Matt Samuel
Dec 22 '18 at 12:29
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@MattSamuel Hello sir, thank you very much for your answer, but i still have a question. So are you saying that the ± sign doesn't apply to all square root sign? Because, in my test i gave my answer only in positive, however i lost 1 mark because i didnt include the negative answer.
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– Fred Weasley
Dec 22 '18 at 12:37
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@Tfue If that was for a different question, that actually is exactly what we are all saying. If you just wrote $sqrt{r}$, that does not include the negative answer. If you wanted both, you'd write $sqrt{r}$ and $-sqrt{r}$, or $pmsqrt{r}$.
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– Matt Samuel
Dec 22 '18 at 12:38
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@MattSamuel. There is one case with $r$ being nonnegative but $sqrt{r}$ not positive: $r=0.$
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– md2perpe
Dec 22 '18 at 19:34
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The square root sign explicitly denotes the nonnegative root of a nonnegative real number. If you want to indicate the negative root, you use $-sqrt{r}$. If you want to indicate all square roots of the number, that is written as $pmsqrt{r}$.
In summary, the square root symbol does not denote two values. By convention, it is the nonnegative value. One could say philosophically that this is arbitrary, but there are some obvious advantages to letting it be the nonnegative root. For one, the positive root is used more often.
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Correction: "The square root sign explicitely denotes the nonnegative root of a nonnegative real number."
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– md2perpe
Dec 22 '18 at 12:27
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@md2perpe Nitpicky and arguable, but I'll change it. Of course math is supposed to be the realm of nitpickiness, but who's to say that when I say "positive root" it couldn't be the same as the "negative root", because maybe I don't necessarily mean that it's a positive or negative number.
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– Matt Samuel
Dec 22 '18 at 12:29
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@MattSamuel Hello sir, thank you very much for your answer, but i still have a question. So are you saying that the ± sign doesn't apply to all square root sign? Because, in my test i gave my answer only in positive, however i lost 1 mark because i didnt include the negative answer.
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– Fred Weasley
Dec 22 '18 at 12:37
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@Tfue If that was for a different question, that actually is exactly what we are all saying. If you just wrote $sqrt{r}$, that does not include the negative answer. If you wanted both, you'd write $sqrt{r}$ and $-sqrt{r}$, or $pmsqrt{r}$.
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– Matt Samuel
Dec 22 '18 at 12:38
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@MattSamuel. There is one case with $r$ being nonnegative but $sqrt{r}$ not positive: $r=0.$
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– md2perpe
Dec 22 '18 at 19:34
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The square root sign explicitly denotes the nonnegative root of a nonnegative real number. If you want to indicate the negative root, you use $-sqrt{r}$. If you want to indicate all square roots of the number, that is written as $pmsqrt{r}$.
In summary, the square root symbol does not denote two values. By convention, it is the nonnegative value. One could say philosophically that this is arbitrary, but there are some obvious advantages to letting it be the nonnegative root. For one, the positive root is used more often.
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The square root sign explicitly denotes the nonnegative root of a nonnegative real number. If you want to indicate the negative root, you use $-sqrt{r}$. If you want to indicate all square roots of the number, that is written as $pmsqrt{r}$.
In summary, the square root symbol does not denote two values. By convention, it is the nonnegative value. One could say philosophically that this is arbitrary, but there are some obvious advantages to letting it be the nonnegative root. For one, the positive root is used more often.
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Correction: "The square root sign explicitely denotes the nonnegative root of a nonnegative real number."
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– md2perpe
Dec 22 '18 at 12:27
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@md2perpe Nitpicky and arguable, but I'll change it. Of course math is supposed to be the realm of nitpickiness, but who's to say that when I say "positive root" it couldn't be the same as the "negative root", because maybe I don't necessarily mean that it's a positive or negative number.
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– Matt Samuel
Dec 22 '18 at 12:29
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@MattSamuel Hello sir, thank you very much for your answer, but i still have a question. So are you saying that the ± sign doesn't apply to all square root sign? Because, in my test i gave my answer only in positive, however i lost 1 mark because i didnt include the negative answer.
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– Fred Weasley
Dec 22 '18 at 12:37
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@Tfue If that was for a different question, that actually is exactly what we are all saying. If you just wrote $sqrt{r}$, that does not include the negative answer. If you wanted both, you'd write $sqrt{r}$ and $-sqrt{r}$, or $pmsqrt{r}$.
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– Matt Samuel
Dec 22 '18 at 12:38
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@MattSamuel. There is one case with $r$ being nonnegative but $sqrt{r}$ not positive: $r=0.$
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– md2perpe
Dec 22 '18 at 19:34
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Correction: "The square root sign explicitely denotes the nonnegative root of a nonnegative real number."
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– md2perpe
Dec 22 '18 at 12:27
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@md2perpe Nitpicky and arguable, but I'll change it. Of course math is supposed to be the realm of nitpickiness, but who's to say that when I say "positive root" it couldn't be the same as the "negative root", because maybe I don't necessarily mean that it's a positive or negative number.
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– Matt Samuel
Dec 22 '18 at 12:29
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@MattSamuel Hello sir, thank you very much for your answer, but i still have a question. So are you saying that the ± sign doesn't apply to all square root sign? Because, in my test i gave my answer only in positive, however i lost 1 mark because i didnt include the negative answer.
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– Fred Weasley
Dec 22 '18 at 12:37
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@Tfue If that was for a different question, that actually is exactly what we are all saying. If you just wrote $sqrt{r}$, that does not include the negative answer. If you wanted both, you'd write $sqrt{r}$ and $-sqrt{r}$, or $pmsqrt{r}$.
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– Matt Samuel
Dec 22 '18 at 12:38
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@MattSamuel. There is one case with $r$ being nonnegative but $sqrt{r}$ not positive: $r=0.$
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– md2perpe
Dec 22 '18 at 19:34
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Correction: "The square root sign explicitely denotes the nonnegative root of a nonnegative real number."
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– md2perpe
Dec 22 '18 at 12:27
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Correction: "The square root sign explicitely denotes the nonnegative root of a nonnegative real number."
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– md2perpe
Dec 22 '18 at 12:27
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@md2perpe Nitpicky and arguable, but I'll change it. Of course math is supposed to be the realm of nitpickiness, but who's to say that when I say "positive root" it couldn't be the same as the "negative root", because maybe I don't necessarily mean that it's a positive or negative number.
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– Matt Samuel
Dec 22 '18 at 12:29
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@md2perpe Nitpicky and arguable, but I'll change it. Of course math is supposed to be the realm of nitpickiness, but who's to say that when I say "positive root" it couldn't be the same as the "negative root", because maybe I don't necessarily mean that it's a positive or negative number.
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– Matt Samuel
Dec 22 '18 at 12:29
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@MattSamuel Hello sir, thank you very much for your answer, but i still have a question. So are you saying that the ± sign doesn't apply to all square root sign? Because, in my test i gave my answer only in positive, however i lost 1 mark because i didnt include the negative answer.
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– Fred Weasley
Dec 22 '18 at 12:37
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@MattSamuel Hello sir, thank you very much for your answer, but i still have a question. So are you saying that the ± sign doesn't apply to all square root sign? Because, in my test i gave my answer only in positive, however i lost 1 mark because i didnt include the negative answer.
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– Fred Weasley
Dec 22 '18 at 12:37
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@Tfue If that was for a different question, that actually is exactly what we are all saying. If you just wrote $sqrt{r}$, that does not include the negative answer. If you wanted both, you'd write $sqrt{r}$ and $-sqrt{r}$, or $pmsqrt{r}$.
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– Matt Samuel
Dec 22 '18 at 12:38
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@Tfue If that was for a different question, that actually is exactly what we are all saying. If you just wrote $sqrt{r}$, that does not include the negative answer. If you wanted both, you'd write $sqrt{r}$ and $-sqrt{r}$, or $pmsqrt{r}$.
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– Matt Samuel
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@MattSamuel. There is one case with $r$ being nonnegative but $sqrt{r}$ not positive: $r=0.$
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– md2perpe
Dec 22 '18 at 19:34
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@MattSamuel. There is one case with $r$ being nonnegative but $sqrt{r}$ not positive: $r=0.$
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$sqrt{}:[0,infty)tomathbb R$ prescribed by: $$xmapstotext{ non-negative }ytext{ satisfying }y^2=x$$ is a function because this non-negative $y$ with $y^2=x$ is unique.
If $f:left(-infty,frac34right]to[0,infty)$ is a function prescribed by: $$xmapsto 3-4x$$ then also the composition $$sqrt{}circ f:left(-infty,frac34right]tomathbb R$$ is a function.
Its prescription is denoted as: $$xmapstosqrt{3-4x}$$
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Upvoted as it shows domain and range are important to defining function
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– Karl
Dec 22 '18 at 12:42
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$sqrt{}:[0,infty)tomathbb R$ prescribed by: $$xmapstotext{ non-negative }ytext{ satisfying }y^2=x$$ is a function because this non-negative $y$ with $y^2=x$ is unique.
If $f:left(-infty,frac34right]to[0,infty)$ is a function prescribed by: $$xmapsto 3-4x$$ then also the composition $$sqrt{}circ f:left(-infty,frac34right]tomathbb R$$ is a function.
Its prescription is denoted as: $$xmapstosqrt{3-4x}$$
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Upvoted as it shows domain and range are important to defining function
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– Karl
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$sqrt{}:[0,infty)tomathbb R$ prescribed by: $$xmapstotext{ non-negative }ytext{ satisfying }y^2=x$$ is a function because this non-negative $y$ with $y^2=x$ is unique.
If $f:left(-infty,frac34right]to[0,infty)$ is a function prescribed by: $$xmapsto 3-4x$$ then also the composition $$sqrt{}circ f:left(-infty,frac34right]tomathbb R$$ is a function.
Its prescription is denoted as: $$xmapstosqrt{3-4x}$$
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$sqrt{}:[0,infty)tomathbb R$ prescribed by: $$xmapstotext{ non-negative }ytext{ satisfying }y^2=x$$ is a function because this non-negative $y$ with $y^2=x$ is unique.
If $f:left(-infty,frac34right]to[0,infty)$ is a function prescribed by: $$xmapsto 3-4x$$ then also the composition $$sqrt{}circ f:left(-infty,frac34right]tomathbb R$$ is a function.
Its prescription is denoted as: $$xmapstosqrt{3-4x}$$
answered Dec 22 '18 at 12:38
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Upvoted as it shows domain and range are important to defining function
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Upvoted as it shows domain and range are important to defining function
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– Karl
Dec 22 '18 at 12:42
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Upvoted as it shows domain and range are important to defining function
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– Karl
Dec 22 '18 at 12:42
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Upvoted as it shows domain and range are important to defining function
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There is no confusion in finding the values of $$y=sqrt {4-3x}$$ for $xin (-infty,4/3]$.
You do not have $pm $ in front of the radical sign which means you simply pick the positive square root.
Note that for example $$sqrt {16}=4$$ and $$-sqrt {16} =-4$$
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There is no confusion in finding the values of $$y=sqrt {4-3x}$$ for $xin (-infty,4/3]$.
You do not have $pm $ in front of the radical sign which means you simply pick the positive square root.
Note that for example $$sqrt {16}=4$$ and $$-sqrt {16} =-4$$
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There is no confusion in finding the values of $$y=sqrt {4-3x}$$ for $xin (-infty,4/3]$.
You do not have $pm $ in front of the radical sign which means you simply pick the positive square root.
Note that for example $$sqrt {16}=4$$ and $$-sqrt {16} =-4$$
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There is no confusion in finding the values of $$y=sqrt {4-3x}$$ for $xin (-infty,4/3]$.
You do not have $pm $ in front of the radical sign which means you simply pick the positive square root.
Note that for example $$sqrt {16}=4$$ and $$-sqrt {16} =-4$$
answered Dec 22 '18 at 12:28
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You pretty much answer the question yourself, albeit unknowingly.
I thought any equation that has a square root sign is not a function, because of the ± sign in front of it?
Yes, you're absolutely right. If it has the $pm$ sign, we can't call it a function, but what you wrote was
$y=sqrt{4-3x}$
which does NOT have the $pm$ sign in front.
And the consensus is that when we don't have a sign in front of the radical sign, we always interpret it to mean the non-negative root. Thus, it is a function.
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Thank you for your answer, however i thought every square root sign has a ± sign infront of it, we just dont write it?
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– Fred Weasley
Dec 22 '18 at 12:35
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@Tfue Nope. You need to write the $pm$ sign if that's what you want, and if it's not there then it's not implied. Think about it; otherwise how would we denote the positive root? $+sqrt{r}$? That gets annoying, especially when it is used a lot.
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– Matt Samuel
Dec 22 '18 at 12:37
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You pretty much answer the question yourself, albeit unknowingly.
I thought any equation that has a square root sign is not a function, because of the ± sign in front of it?
Yes, you're absolutely right. If it has the $pm$ sign, we can't call it a function, but what you wrote was
$y=sqrt{4-3x}$
which does NOT have the $pm$ sign in front.
And the consensus is that when we don't have a sign in front of the radical sign, we always interpret it to mean the non-negative root. Thus, it is a function.
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Thank you for your answer, however i thought every square root sign has a ± sign infront of it, we just dont write it?
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– Fred Weasley
Dec 22 '18 at 12:35
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@Tfue Nope. You need to write the $pm$ sign if that's what you want, and if it's not there then it's not implied. Think about it; otherwise how would we denote the positive root? $+sqrt{r}$? That gets annoying, especially when it is used a lot.
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– Matt Samuel
Dec 22 '18 at 12:37
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You pretty much answer the question yourself, albeit unknowingly.
I thought any equation that has a square root sign is not a function, because of the ± sign in front of it?
Yes, you're absolutely right. If it has the $pm$ sign, we can't call it a function, but what you wrote was
$y=sqrt{4-3x}$
which does NOT have the $pm$ sign in front.
And the consensus is that when we don't have a sign in front of the radical sign, we always interpret it to mean the non-negative root. Thus, it is a function.
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You pretty much answer the question yourself, albeit unknowingly.
I thought any equation that has a square root sign is not a function, because of the ± sign in front of it?
Yes, you're absolutely right. If it has the $pm$ sign, we can't call it a function, but what you wrote was
$y=sqrt{4-3x}$
which does NOT have the $pm$ sign in front.
And the consensus is that when we don't have a sign in front of the radical sign, we always interpret it to mean the non-negative root. Thus, it is a function.
answered Dec 22 '18 at 12:33
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Thank you for your answer, however i thought every square root sign has a ± sign infront of it, we just dont write it?
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– Fred Weasley
Dec 22 '18 at 12:35
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@Tfue Nope. You need to write the $pm$ sign if that's what you want, and if it's not there then it's not implied. Think about it; otherwise how would we denote the positive root? $+sqrt{r}$? That gets annoying, especially when it is used a lot.
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– Matt Samuel
Dec 22 '18 at 12:37
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Thank you for your answer, however i thought every square root sign has a ± sign infront of it, we just dont write it?
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– Fred Weasley
Dec 22 '18 at 12:35
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@Tfue Nope. You need to write the $pm$ sign if that's what you want, and if it's not there then it's not implied. Think about it; otherwise how would we denote the positive root? $+sqrt{r}$? That gets annoying, especially when it is used a lot.
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– Matt Samuel
Dec 22 '18 at 12:37
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Thank you for your answer, however i thought every square root sign has a ± sign infront of it, we just dont write it?
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– Fred Weasley
Dec 22 '18 at 12:35
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Thank you for your answer, however i thought every square root sign has a ± sign infront of it, we just dont write it?
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– Fred Weasley
Dec 22 '18 at 12:35
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@Tfue Nope. You need to write the $pm$ sign if that's what you want, and if it's not there then it's not implied. Think about it; otherwise how would we denote the positive root? $+sqrt{r}$? That gets annoying, especially when it is used a lot.
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– Matt Samuel
Dec 22 '18 at 12:37
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@Tfue Nope. You need to write the $pm$ sign if that's what you want, and if it's not there then it's not implied. Think about it; otherwise how would we denote the positive root? $+sqrt{r}$? That gets annoying, especially when it is used a lot.
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Don't confuse the symbol $sqrt{a}$ with the solutions of the equation $x^2=a$.
They are distinct things: $sqrt{a}$ is, by commonly agreed convention, the unique nonnegative real number $b$ such that $b^2=a$ (provided such $b$ exists, which it does when $age0$).
With this convention, the solutions of $x^2=a$, for $age0$, are $sqrt{a}$ and $-sqrt{a}$. This is often written as $pmsqrt{a}$, but I find the symbol misleading.
The confusion between the two concepts has, unfortunately, been perpetuated for a long time. Be assured that all professional mathematicians have no doubt to agree with the convention stated above.
My high school textbook tried to clear up this confusion by introducing a new symbol (a square root with a kind of hook at the end of the vinculum) for denoting “both square roots” at the same time. This is of course even more misleading: assuming the radical symbol stands for the modified one, how many values should the expression
$$
sqrt{4}+sqrt{9}+sqrt{16}
$$
denote? Eight, possibly. Does this have practical uses? None.
Using $sqrt{a}$ to denote the unique nonnegative real number whose square is $a$ is handy and has several nice properties, the main one being that, for $x,yge0$,
$$
sqrt{xyvphantom{l}}=sqrt{xvphantom{ly}},sqrt{yvphantom{l}}
$$
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Don't confuse the symbol $sqrt{a}$ with the solutions of the equation $x^2=a$.
They are distinct things: $sqrt{a}$ is, by commonly agreed convention, the unique nonnegative real number $b$ such that $b^2=a$ (provided such $b$ exists, which it does when $age0$).
With this convention, the solutions of $x^2=a$, for $age0$, are $sqrt{a}$ and $-sqrt{a}$. This is often written as $pmsqrt{a}$, but I find the symbol misleading.
The confusion between the two concepts has, unfortunately, been perpetuated for a long time. Be assured that all professional mathematicians have no doubt to agree with the convention stated above.
My high school textbook tried to clear up this confusion by introducing a new symbol (a square root with a kind of hook at the end of the vinculum) for denoting “both square roots” at the same time. This is of course even more misleading: assuming the radical symbol stands for the modified one, how many values should the expression
$$
sqrt{4}+sqrt{9}+sqrt{16}
$$
denote? Eight, possibly. Does this have practical uses? None.
Using $sqrt{a}$ to denote the unique nonnegative real number whose square is $a$ is handy and has several nice properties, the main one being that, for $x,yge0$,
$$
sqrt{xyvphantom{l}}=sqrt{xvphantom{ly}},sqrt{yvphantom{l}}
$$
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Don't confuse the symbol $sqrt{a}$ with the solutions of the equation $x^2=a$.
They are distinct things: $sqrt{a}$ is, by commonly agreed convention, the unique nonnegative real number $b$ such that $b^2=a$ (provided such $b$ exists, which it does when $age0$).
With this convention, the solutions of $x^2=a$, for $age0$, are $sqrt{a}$ and $-sqrt{a}$. This is often written as $pmsqrt{a}$, but I find the symbol misleading.
The confusion between the two concepts has, unfortunately, been perpetuated for a long time. Be assured that all professional mathematicians have no doubt to agree with the convention stated above.
My high school textbook tried to clear up this confusion by introducing a new symbol (a square root with a kind of hook at the end of the vinculum) for denoting “both square roots” at the same time. This is of course even more misleading: assuming the radical symbol stands for the modified one, how many values should the expression
$$
sqrt{4}+sqrt{9}+sqrt{16}
$$
denote? Eight, possibly. Does this have practical uses? None.
Using $sqrt{a}$ to denote the unique nonnegative real number whose square is $a$ is handy and has several nice properties, the main one being that, for $x,yge0$,
$$
sqrt{xyvphantom{l}}=sqrt{xvphantom{ly}},sqrt{yvphantom{l}}
$$
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Don't confuse the symbol $sqrt{a}$ with the solutions of the equation $x^2=a$.
They are distinct things: $sqrt{a}$ is, by commonly agreed convention, the unique nonnegative real number $b$ such that $b^2=a$ (provided such $b$ exists, which it does when $age0$).
With this convention, the solutions of $x^2=a$, for $age0$, are $sqrt{a}$ and $-sqrt{a}$. This is often written as $pmsqrt{a}$, but I find the symbol misleading.
The confusion between the two concepts has, unfortunately, been perpetuated for a long time. Be assured that all professional mathematicians have no doubt to agree with the convention stated above.
My high school textbook tried to clear up this confusion by introducing a new symbol (a square root with a kind of hook at the end of the vinculum) for denoting “both square roots” at the same time. This is of course even more misleading: assuming the radical symbol stands for the modified one, how many values should the expression
$$
sqrt{4}+sqrt{9}+sqrt{16}
$$
denote? Eight, possibly. Does this have practical uses? None.
Using $sqrt{a}$ to denote the unique nonnegative real number whose square is $a$ is handy and has several nice properties, the main one being that, for $x,yge0$,
$$
sqrt{xyvphantom{l}}=sqrt{xvphantom{ly}},sqrt{yvphantom{l}}
$$
answered Dec 22 '18 at 12:39
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When the square root is used alone, it indicates only the principle square root, a non-negative value.
It’s a common misconception to think $x = sqrt n$ is the same as $x^2 = n$. However, the first has only one solution, while the second has two: $x = pmsqrt{n}$.
For instance, $x = sqrt 4$ means only the positive square root of $4$, so you have $x = color{blue}{+}2$.
However, the solutions of $x^2 = 4$ are $x = color{blue}{pm 2}$, so the squared equation has two solutions.
Likewise, $y = sqrt{4-3x}$ is a function because you take only the positive root.
On the other hand, if you had $y^2 = 4-3x$, you would be correct. This would be the equivalent to having $y = pmsqrt{4-3x}$. Note that the original function does not have the $pm$ sign, which makes all the difference.
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When the square root is used alone, it indicates only the principle square root, a non-negative value.
It’s a common misconception to think $x = sqrt n$ is the same as $x^2 = n$. However, the first has only one solution, while the second has two: $x = pmsqrt{n}$.
For instance, $x = sqrt 4$ means only the positive square root of $4$, so you have $x = color{blue}{+}2$.
However, the solutions of $x^2 = 4$ are $x = color{blue}{pm 2}$, so the squared equation has two solutions.
Likewise, $y = sqrt{4-3x}$ is a function because you take only the positive root.
On the other hand, if you had $y^2 = 4-3x$, you would be correct. This would be the equivalent to having $y = pmsqrt{4-3x}$. Note that the original function does not have the $pm$ sign, which makes all the difference.
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When the square root is used alone, it indicates only the principle square root, a non-negative value.
It’s a common misconception to think $x = sqrt n$ is the same as $x^2 = n$. However, the first has only one solution, while the second has two: $x = pmsqrt{n}$.
For instance, $x = sqrt 4$ means only the positive square root of $4$, so you have $x = color{blue}{+}2$.
However, the solutions of $x^2 = 4$ are $x = color{blue}{pm 2}$, so the squared equation has two solutions.
Likewise, $y = sqrt{4-3x}$ is a function because you take only the positive root.
On the other hand, if you had $y^2 = 4-3x$, you would be correct. This would be the equivalent to having $y = pmsqrt{4-3x}$. Note that the original function does not have the $pm$ sign, which makes all the difference.
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When the square root is used alone, it indicates only the principle square root, a non-negative value.
It’s a common misconception to think $x = sqrt n$ is the same as $x^2 = n$. However, the first has only one solution, while the second has two: $x = pmsqrt{n}$.
For instance, $x = sqrt 4$ means only the positive square root of $4$, so you have $x = color{blue}{+}2$.
However, the solutions of $x^2 = 4$ are $x = color{blue}{pm 2}$, so the squared equation has two solutions.
Likewise, $y = sqrt{4-3x}$ is a function because you take only the positive root.
On the other hand, if you had $y^2 = 4-3x$, you would be correct. This would be the equivalent to having $y = pmsqrt{4-3x}$. Note that the original function does not have the $pm$ sign, which makes all the difference.
answered Dec 22 '18 at 12:39
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When one writes, e.g., $sqrt x$, the non-negative root is specified.
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– lulu
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What Lulu may have meant is that with even roots, we always take the positive one...by agreement. It is not a natural law, but everybody repects it.
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– DonAntonio
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Why on earth would anyone downvote this? The asker, even though clearly at an early level in their math education, researched enough to even use MathJax.
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@MattSamuel It's a problem for years: some rather careless members of the site seem to believe that asking something that is clear for them deserves a downvote. Nonsensical, indeed. This is a nice question. +1
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– DonAntonio
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This question comes up about once a day, and for the life of me I can't find a good reference answer to it.
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– Patrick Stevens
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