using Poincaré-Bendixon to prove periodic solution existence
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I got the system:
$$dot{x} = x-y-y^3-2x(x^2+y^2)$$
$$dot{y}= x+y-2y(x^2+y^2)$$
And it's given that the origin is the only fixed point.
I've converted it to Polar using $dot{r}r=dot{x}x+dot{y}y$ and ended up with:
$$rdot{r}=r^2-2r^3-r^4costheta sin^3theta $$
Which I have simplified to the following but I do not trust my trig within this.
$$dot{r}=r-2r^2-frac{r^3}{4}(sin2theta-frac{1}{2}sin4theta)$$
I'm not very sure if this was the right way to go because when it comes to classifying $dot{r}$ now I have to deal with $sin2theta$ and $sin4theta$. So I guess my question right now is did I end up with the correct $dot{r}$? If yes how do I end up trapping the region in this situation?
I know that I have to check for when $dot{r}>0$ for the outward flow and $dot{r}<0$ for the inward flow. But I do not know how to inspect that with both $sin{2theta}$ and $sin{4theta}$ present at the same time.
My brain right now is a scattered mess and I do not trust anything that comes out of it so I have resorted to share this with you and hopefully someone can put my mind to rest and let me know where I am going wrong because I have tried to solve this question 4 times now and every time I get a different $dot{r}$.
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I got the system:
$$dot{x} = x-y-y^3-2x(x^2+y^2)$$
$$dot{y}= x+y-2y(x^2+y^2)$$
And it's given that the origin is the only fixed point.
I've converted it to Polar using $dot{r}r=dot{x}x+dot{y}y$ and ended up with:
$$rdot{r}=r^2-2r^3-r^4costheta sin^3theta $$
Which I have simplified to the following but I do not trust my trig within this.
$$dot{r}=r-2r^2-frac{r^3}{4}(sin2theta-frac{1}{2}sin4theta)$$
I'm not very sure if this was the right way to go because when it comes to classifying $dot{r}$ now I have to deal with $sin2theta$ and $sin4theta$. So I guess my question right now is did I end up with the correct $dot{r}$? If yes how do I end up trapping the region in this situation?
I know that I have to check for when $dot{r}>0$ for the outward flow and $dot{r}<0$ for the inward flow. But I do not know how to inspect that with both $sin{2theta}$ and $sin{4theta}$ present at the same time.
My brain right now is a scattered mess and I do not trust anything that comes out of it so I have resorted to share this with you and hopefully someone can put my mind to rest and let me know where I am going wrong because I have tried to solve this question 4 times now and every time I get a different $dot{r}$.
ordinary-differential-equations systems-of-equations
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The term $-2r^3$ looks wrong, since in $x dot x + y dot y$ every term is either of degree 2 or degree 4.
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– Hans Lundmark
Dec 31 '18 at 13:20
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yup, you're right $2r^2(x^2+y^2)=2r^4$ thanks for pointing it out!
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– Bluedog
Dec 31 '18 at 13:43
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I got the system:
$$dot{x} = x-y-y^3-2x(x^2+y^2)$$
$$dot{y}= x+y-2y(x^2+y^2)$$
And it's given that the origin is the only fixed point.
I've converted it to Polar using $dot{r}r=dot{x}x+dot{y}y$ and ended up with:
$$rdot{r}=r^2-2r^3-r^4costheta sin^3theta $$
Which I have simplified to the following but I do not trust my trig within this.
$$dot{r}=r-2r^2-frac{r^3}{4}(sin2theta-frac{1}{2}sin4theta)$$
I'm not very sure if this was the right way to go because when it comes to classifying $dot{r}$ now I have to deal with $sin2theta$ and $sin4theta$. So I guess my question right now is did I end up with the correct $dot{r}$? If yes how do I end up trapping the region in this situation?
I know that I have to check for when $dot{r}>0$ for the outward flow and $dot{r}<0$ for the inward flow. But I do not know how to inspect that with both $sin{2theta}$ and $sin{4theta}$ present at the same time.
My brain right now is a scattered mess and I do not trust anything that comes out of it so I have resorted to share this with you and hopefully someone can put my mind to rest and let me know where I am going wrong because I have tried to solve this question 4 times now and every time I get a different $dot{r}$.
ordinary-differential-equations systems-of-equations
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I got the system:
$$dot{x} = x-y-y^3-2x(x^2+y^2)$$
$$dot{y}= x+y-2y(x^2+y^2)$$
And it's given that the origin is the only fixed point.
I've converted it to Polar using $dot{r}r=dot{x}x+dot{y}y$ and ended up with:
$$rdot{r}=r^2-2r^3-r^4costheta sin^3theta $$
Which I have simplified to the following but I do not trust my trig within this.
$$dot{r}=r-2r^2-frac{r^3}{4}(sin2theta-frac{1}{2}sin4theta)$$
I'm not very sure if this was the right way to go because when it comes to classifying $dot{r}$ now I have to deal with $sin2theta$ and $sin4theta$. So I guess my question right now is did I end up with the correct $dot{r}$? If yes how do I end up trapping the region in this situation?
I know that I have to check for when $dot{r}>0$ for the outward flow and $dot{r}<0$ for the inward flow. But I do not know how to inspect that with both $sin{2theta}$ and $sin{4theta}$ present at the same time.
My brain right now is a scattered mess and I do not trust anything that comes out of it so I have resorted to share this with you and hopefully someone can put my mind to rest and let me know where I am going wrong because I have tried to solve this question 4 times now and every time I get a different $dot{r}$.
ordinary-differential-equations systems-of-equations
ordinary-differential-equations systems-of-equations
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The term $-2r^3$ looks wrong, since in $x dot x + y dot y$ every term is either of degree 2 or degree 4.
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– Hans Lundmark
Dec 31 '18 at 13:20
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yup, you're right $2r^2(x^2+y^2)=2r^4$ thanks for pointing it out!
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– Bluedog
Dec 31 '18 at 13:43
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The term $-2r^3$ looks wrong, since in $x dot x + y dot y$ every term is either of degree 2 or degree 4.
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– Hans Lundmark
Dec 31 '18 at 13:20
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yup, you're right $2r^2(x^2+y^2)=2r^4$ thanks for pointing it out!
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– Bluedog
Dec 31 '18 at 13:43
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The term $-2r^3$ looks wrong, since in $x dot x + y dot y$ every term is either of degree 2 or degree 4.
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– Hans Lundmark
Dec 31 '18 at 13:20
$begingroup$
The term $-2r^3$ looks wrong, since in $x dot x + y dot y$ every term is either of degree 2 or degree 4.
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– Hans Lundmark
Dec 31 '18 at 13:20
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yup, you're right $2r^2(x^2+y^2)=2r^4$ thanks for pointing it out!
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– Bluedog
Dec 31 '18 at 13:43
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yup, you're right $2r^2(x^2+y^2)=2r^4$ thanks for pointing it out!
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– Bluedog
Dec 31 '18 at 13:43
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You missed a power in combining the last terms of the equations, you should have got
$$
rdot r = r^2-2r^4-xy^3=r^2-(2+sin^3θcosθ)r^4
$$
so that because of the mean inequality of the geometric and quadratic mean $$sqrt[4]{|sqrt3cs^3|}le sqrt{frac{3c^2+s^2+s^2+s^2}4}=sqrt{frac34}$$ we get bounds for the derivative of the radius in terms of the radius only as
$$
r-ar^3le dot rle r-br^3 ~~text{ with }~~ a,b=2pm frac{3sqrt3}{16}.
$$
This means that the radius of a solution decreases in time where the right side is negative, which is for $r>sqrt{1/b}approx 0.773$. The radius increases in time where the leftmost term is positive, that is for $0<r<sqrt{1/a}approx 0.656$.
This gives an invariant annulus or trapping region. Per the given claim of no other stationary points outside the origin one concludes the existence of a limit cycle.
The plot shows clearly the attracting limit cycle in the trapping region $0.6<r<0.8$, visually it is inside the smaller annulus $0.7lessapprox rlessapprox 0.75$.

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You missed a power in combining the last terms of the equations, you should have got
$$
rdot r = r^2-2r^4-xy^3=r^2-(2+sin^3θcosθ)r^4
$$
so that because of the mean inequality of the geometric and quadratic mean $$sqrt[4]{|sqrt3cs^3|}le sqrt{frac{3c^2+s^2+s^2+s^2}4}=sqrt{frac34}$$ we get bounds for the derivative of the radius in terms of the radius only as
$$
r-ar^3le dot rle r-br^3 ~~text{ with }~~ a,b=2pm frac{3sqrt3}{16}.
$$
This means that the radius of a solution decreases in time where the right side is negative, which is for $r>sqrt{1/b}approx 0.773$. The radius increases in time where the leftmost term is positive, that is for $0<r<sqrt{1/a}approx 0.656$.
This gives an invariant annulus or trapping region. Per the given claim of no other stationary points outside the origin one concludes the existence of a limit cycle.
The plot shows clearly the attracting limit cycle in the trapping region $0.6<r<0.8$, visually it is inside the smaller annulus $0.7lessapprox rlessapprox 0.75$.

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You missed a power in combining the last terms of the equations, you should have got
$$
rdot r = r^2-2r^4-xy^3=r^2-(2+sin^3θcosθ)r^4
$$
so that because of the mean inequality of the geometric and quadratic mean $$sqrt[4]{|sqrt3cs^3|}le sqrt{frac{3c^2+s^2+s^2+s^2}4}=sqrt{frac34}$$ we get bounds for the derivative of the radius in terms of the radius only as
$$
r-ar^3le dot rle r-br^3 ~~text{ with }~~ a,b=2pm frac{3sqrt3}{16}.
$$
This means that the radius of a solution decreases in time where the right side is negative, which is for $r>sqrt{1/b}approx 0.773$. The radius increases in time where the leftmost term is positive, that is for $0<r<sqrt{1/a}approx 0.656$.
This gives an invariant annulus or trapping region. Per the given claim of no other stationary points outside the origin one concludes the existence of a limit cycle.
The plot shows clearly the attracting limit cycle in the trapping region $0.6<r<0.8$, visually it is inside the smaller annulus $0.7lessapprox rlessapprox 0.75$.

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You missed a power in combining the last terms of the equations, you should have got
$$
rdot r = r^2-2r^4-xy^3=r^2-(2+sin^3θcosθ)r^4
$$
so that because of the mean inequality of the geometric and quadratic mean $$sqrt[4]{|sqrt3cs^3|}le sqrt{frac{3c^2+s^2+s^2+s^2}4}=sqrt{frac34}$$ we get bounds for the derivative of the radius in terms of the radius only as
$$
r-ar^3le dot rle r-br^3 ~~text{ with }~~ a,b=2pm frac{3sqrt3}{16}.
$$
This means that the radius of a solution decreases in time where the right side is negative, which is for $r>sqrt{1/b}approx 0.773$. The radius increases in time where the leftmost term is positive, that is for $0<r<sqrt{1/a}approx 0.656$.
This gives an invariant annulus or trapping region. Per the given claim of no other stationary points outside the origin one concludes the existence of a limit cycle.
The plot shows clearly the attracting limit cycle in the trapping region $0.6<r<0.8$, visually it is inside the smaller annulus $0.7lessapprox rlessapprox 0.75$.

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You missed a power in combining the last terms of the equations, you should have got
$$
rdot r = r^2-2r^4-xy^3=r^2-(2+sin^3θcosθ)r^4
$$
so that because of the mean inequality of the geometric and quadratic mean $$sqrt[4]{|sqrt3cs^3|}le sqrt{frac{3c^2+s^2+s^2+s^2}4}=sqrt{frac34}$$ we get bounds for the derivative of the radius in terms of the radius only as
$$
r-ar^3le dot rle r-br^3 ~~text{ with }~~ a,b=2pm frac{3sqrt3}{16}.
$$
This means that the radius of a solution decreases in time where the right side is negative, which is for $r>sqrt{1/b}approx 0.773$. The radius increases in time where the leftmost term is positive, that is for $0<r<sqrt{1/a}approx 0.656$.
This gives an invariant annulus or trapping region. Per the given claim of no other stationary points outside the origin one concludes the existence of a limit cycle.
The plot shows clearly the attracting limit cycle in the trapping region $0.6<r<0.8$, visually it is inside the smaller annulus $0.7lessapprox rlessapprox 0.75$.

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The term $-2r^3$ looks wrong, since in $x dot x + y dot y$ every term is either of degree 2 or degree 4.
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– Hans Lundmark
Dec 31 '18 at 13:20
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yup, you're right $2r^2(x^2+y^2)=2r^4$ thanks for pointing it out!
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– Bluedog
Dec 31 '18 at 13:43