Epsilon-Delta Proof of Limits Being Equal











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How would I go about proving that two limits are equal to each other using the Epsilon-Delta definition?



Moreover how can I prove that: $$lim_{xto0}f(x) = lim_{xto a}f(x-a)$$ using the Epsilon-Delta definition? The intuition for this seem clear. However, I have do not know how a formal proof can be developed.










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  • If the two limits are unrelated, you have no other option than computing them (by the $epsilon/delta$ definition) and comparing the values.
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How would I go about proving that two limits are equal to each other using the Epsilon-Delta definition?



Moreover how can I prove that: $$lim_{xto0}f(x) = lim_{xto a}f(x-a)$$ using the Epsilon-Delta definition? The intuition for this seem clear. However, I have do not know how a formal proof can be developed.










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  • If the two limits are unrelated, you have no other option than computing them (by the $epsilon/delta$ definition) and comparing the values.
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How would I go about proving that two limits are equal to each other using the Epsilon-Delta definition?



Moreover how can I prove that: $$lim_{xto0}f(x) = lim_{xto a}f(x-a)$$ using the Epsilon-Delta definition? The intuition for this seem clear. However, I have do not know how a formal proof can be developed.










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How would I go about proving that two limits are equal to each other using the Epsilon-Delta definition?



Moreover how can I prove that: $$lim_{xto0}f(x) = lim_{xto a}f(x-a)$$ using the Epsilon-Delta definition? The intuition for this seem clear. However, I have do not know how a formal proof can be developed.







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  • If the two limits are unrelated, you have no other option than computing them (by the $epsilon/delta$ definition) and comparing the values.
    – Yves Daoust
    Nov 23 at 17:31




















  • If the two limits are unrelated, you have no other option than computing them (by the $epsilon/delta$ definition) and comparing the values.
    – Yves Daoust
    Nov 23 at 17:31


















If the two limits are unrelated, you have no other option than computing them (by the $epsilon/delta$ definition) and comparing the values.
– Yves Daoust
Nov 23 at 17:31






If the two limits are unrelated, you have no other option than computing them (by the $epsilon/delta$ definition) and comparing the values.
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To show at least the second problem, assume that $lim_{xto 0} f(x) = L$. We will prove that $lim_{x to a}f(x-a) = L$.



By definition, we are to show : for all $epsilon > 0$, there exists $delta > 0$ such that
begin{equation}
|y - a |< delta implies |f(y-a) - L| < epsilon tag{1}
end{equation}



Fix one such $epsilon$, say $epsilon_0$.



We know that $lim_{x to 0} f(x) = L$. This means, that for the above $epsilon_0$, there exists some $delta_0 > 0$ such that begin{equation}|x - 0|( = |x|) < delta_0 implies |f(x) - L| < epsilon_0 tag{2}end{equation}



By taking $delta = delta_0$, we see that substituting $y-a = x$ in $(2)$ gives:
begin{equation}
|y-a| < delta_0
implies |f(y-a) - L |< epsilon_0 end{equation}



which is seen to be equivalent to statement $(1)$. Hence, $lim_{x to 0} f(x) = lim_{x to a} f(x-a)$ is true.



I urge you to prove that if one of these limits does not exist, then the other also doesn't. This involves negation of the definition of limit i.e. what does it mean for $lim_{x to a} f(x) neq L$ for some constant $L$.






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  • Thank you! This was very clear and complete.
    – Michael Connor
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  • You are welcome!
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  1. express the first limit by the $epsilon/delta$ definition.


  2. formally replace every occurrence of $x$ by $x-a$.


  3. now you have the proof of the second limit.





I.e. rewrite



$$lim_{xto 0}f(x)=L
\iff
\forallepsilon>0:existsdelta>0:|x|<deltaimplies|f(x)-L|<epsilon
\iff
\forallepsilon>0:existsdelta>0:|x-a|<deltaimplies|f(x-a)-L|<epsilon
\iff\lim_{x-ato 0}f(x-a)=L.
$$



The argument holds because $x$ and $x-a$ cover the same set of values, and $lim_{x-ato0}$ is also $lim_{xto a}$.






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    To show at least the second problem, assume that $lim_{xto 0} f(x) = L$. We will prove that $lim_{x to a}f(x-a) = L$.



    By definition, we are to show : for all $epsilon > 0$, there exists $delta > 0$ such that
    begin{equation}
    |y - a |< delta implies |f(y-a) - L| < epsilon tag{1}
    end{equation}



    Fix one such $epsilon$, say $epsilon_0$.



    We know that $lim_{x to 0} f(x) = L$. This means, that for the above $epsilon_0$, there exists some $delta_0 > 0$ such that begin{equation}|x - 0|( = |x|) < delta_0 implies |f(x) - L| < epsilon_0 tag{2}end{equation}



    By taking $delta = delta_0$, we see that substituting $y-a = x$ in $(2)$ gives:
    begin{equation}
    |y-a| < delta_0
    implies |f(y-a) - L |< epsilon_0 end{equation}



    which is seen to be equivalent to statement $(1)$. Hence, $lim_{x to 0} f(x) = lim_{x to a} f(x-a)$ is true.



    I urge you to prove that if one of these limits does not exist, then the other also doesn't. This involves negation of the definition of limit i.e. what does it mean for $lim_{x to a} f(x) neq L$ for some constant $L$.






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    • Thank you! This was very clear and complete.
      – Michael Connor
      Oct 9 '17 at 13:43










    • You are welcome!
      – астон вілла олоф мэллбэрг
      Oct 9 '17 at 22:56















    up vote
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    To show at least the second problem, assume that $lim_{xto 0} f(x) = L$. We will prove that $lim_{x to a}f(x-a) = L$.



    By definition, we are to show : for all $epsilon > 0$, there exists $delta > 0$ such that
    begin{equation}
    |y - a |< delta implies |f(y-a) - L| < epsilon tag{1}
    end{equation}



    Fix one such $epsilon$, say $epsilon_0$.



    We know that $lim_{x to 0} f(x) = L$. This means, that for the above $epsilon_0$, there exists some $delta_0 > 0$ such that begin{equation}|x - 0|( = |x|) < delta_0 implies |f(x) - L| < epsilon_0 tag{2}end{equation}



    By taking $delta = delta_0$, we see that substituting $y-a = x$ in $(2)$ gives:
    begin{equation}
    |y-a| < delta_0
    implies |f(y-a) - L |< epsilon_0 end{equation}



    which is seen to be equivalent to statement $(1)$. Hence, $lim_{x to 0} f(x) = lim_{x to a} f(x-a)$ is true.



    I urge you to prove that if one of these limits does not exist, then the other also doesn't. This involves negation of the definition of limit i.e. what does it mean for $lim_{x to a} f(x) neq L$ for some constant $L$.






    share|cite|improve this answer























    • Thank you! This was very clear and complete.
      – Michael Connor
      Oct 9 '17 at 13:43










    • You are welcome!
      – астон вілла олоф мэллбэрг
      Oct 9 '17 at 22:56













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    To show at least the second problem, assume that $lim_{xto 0} f(x) = L$. We will prove that $lim_{x to a}f(x-a) = L$.



    By definition, we are to show : for all $epsilon > 0$, there exists $delta > 0$ such that
    begin{equation}
    |y - a |< delta implies |f(y-a) - L| < epsilon tag{1}
    end{equation}



    Fix one such $epsilon$, say $epsilon_0$.



    We know that $lim_{x to 0} f(x) = L$. This means, that for the above $epsilon_0$, there exists some $delta_0 > 0$ such that begin{equation}|x - 0|( = |x|) < delta_0 implies |f(x) - L| < epsilon_0 tag{2}end{equation}



    By taking $delta = delta_0$, we see that substituting $y-a = x$ in $(2)$ gives:
    begin{equation}
    |y-a| < delta_0
    implies |f(y-a) - L |< epsilon_0 end{equation}



    which is seen to be equivalent to statement $(1)$. Hence, $lim_{x to 0} f(x) = lim_{x to a} f(x-a)$ is true.



    I urge you to prove that if one of these limits does not exist, then the other also doesn't. This involves negation of the definition of limit i.e. what does it mean for $lim_{x to a} f(x) neq L$ for some constant $L$.






    share|cite|improve this answer














    To show at least the second problem, assume that $lim_{xto 0} f(x) = L$. We will prove that $lim_{x to a}f(x-a) = L$.



    By definition, we are to show : for all $epsilon > 0$, there exists $delta > 0$ such that
    begin{equation}
    |y - a |< delta implies |f(y-a) - L| < epsilon tag{1}
    end{equation}



    Fix one such $epsilon$, say $epsilon_0$.



    We know that $lim_{x to 0} f(x) = L$. This means, that for the above $epsilon_0$, there exists some $delta_0 > 0$ such that begin{equation}|x - 0|( = |x|) < delta_0 implies |f(x) - L| < epsilon_0 tag{2}end{equation}



    By taking $delta = delta_0$, we see that substituting $y-a = x$ in $(2)$ gives:
    begin{equation}
    |y-a| < delta_0
    implies |f(y-a) - L |< epsilon_0 end{equation}



    which is seen to be equivalent to statement $(1)$. Hence, $lim_{x to 0} f(x) = lim_{x to a} f(x-a)$ is true.



    I urge you to prove that if one of these limits does not exist, then the other also doesn't. This involves negation of the definition of limit i.e. what does it mean for $lim_{x to a} f(x) neq L$ for some constant $L$.







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    • Thank you! This was very clear and complete.
      – Michael Connor
      Oct 9 '17 at 13:43










    • You are welcome!
      – астон вілла олоф мэллбэрг
      Oct 9 '17 at 22:56


















    • Thank you! This was very clear and complete.
      – Michael Connor
      Oct 9 '17 at 13:43










    • You are welcome!
      – астон вілла олоф мэллбэрг
      Oct 9 '17 at 22:56
















    Thank you! This was very clear and complete.
    – Michael Connor
    Oct 9 '17 at 13:43




    Thank you! This was very clear and complete.
    – Michael Connor
    Oct 9 '17 at 13:43












    You are welcome!
    – астон вілла олоф мэллбэрг
    Oct 9 '17 at 22:56




    You are welcome!
    – астон вілла олоф мэллбэрг
    Oct 9 '17 at 22:56










    up vote
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    1. express the first limit by the $epsilon/delta$ definition.


    2. formally replace every occurrence of $x$ by $x-a$.


    3. now you have the proof of the second limit.





    I.e. rewrite



    $$lim_{xto 0}f(x)=L
    \iff
    \forallepsilon>0:existsdelta>0:|x|<deltaimplies|f(x)-L|<epsilon
    \iff
    \forallepsilon>0:existsdelta>0:|x-a|<deltaimplies|f(x-a)-L|<epsilon
    \iff\lim_{x-ato 0}f(x-a)=L.
    $$



    The argument holds because $x$ and $x-a$ cover the same set of values, and $lim_{x-ato0}$ is also $lim_{xto a}$.






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      1. express the first limit by the $epsilon/delta$ definition.


      2. formally replace every occurrence of $x$ by $x-a$.


      3. now you have the proof of the second limit.





      I.e. rewrite



      $$lim_{xto 0}f(x)=L
      \iff
      \forallepsilon>0:existsdelta>0:|x|<deltaimplies|f(x)-L|<epsilon
      \iff
      \forallepsilon>0:existsdelta>0:|x-a|<deltaimplies|f(x-a)-L|<epsilon
      \iff\lim_{x-ato 0}f(x-a)=L.
      $$



      The argument holds because $x$ and $x-a$ cover the same set of values, and $lim_{x-ato0}$ is also $lim_{xto a}$.






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        1. express the first limit by the $epsilon/delta$ definition.


        2. formally replace every occurrence of $x$ by $x-a$.


        3. now you have the proof of the second limit.





        I.e. rewrite



        $$lim_{xto 0}f(x)=L
        \iff
        \forallepsilon>0:existsdelta>0:|x|<deltaimplies|f(x)-L|<epsilon
        \iff
        \forallepsilon>0:existsdelta>0:|x-a|<deltaimplies|f(x-a)-L|<epsilon
        \iff\lim_{x-ato 0}f(x-a)=L.
        $$



        The argument holds because $x$ and $x-a$ cover the same set of values, and $lim_{x-ato0}$ is also $lim_{xto a}$.






        share|cite|improve this answer













        1. express the first limit by the $epsilon/delta$ definition.


        2. formally replace every occurrence of $x$ by $x-a$.


        3. now you have the proof of the second limit.





        I.e. rewrite



        $$lim_{xto 0}f(x)=L
        \iff
        \forallepsilon>0:existsdelta>0:|x|<deltaimplies|f(x)-L|<epsilon
        \iff
        \forallepsilon>0:existsdelta>0:|x-a|<deltaimplies|f(x-a)-L|<epsilon
        \iff\lim_{x-ato 0}f(x-a)=L.
        $$



        The argument holds because $x$ and $x-a$ cover the same set of values, and $lim_{x-ato0}$ is also $lim_{xto a}$.







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