Imaginary-Order Derivative
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I would like to find the imaginary-order derivative of a function (let's just focus on a simple function for now). There is the Riemann-Liouville fractional-derivative: $$ _{a}D^{i}_{t} f(t) = frac{1}{Gamma(1-i)} frac{d}{dt} int_{a}^t frac{f(tau)}{(t-tau)^{-i}} dtau$$
For a constant function $ f(t) = c, c in mathbb{R}$, this definition will result in something that has $0^{i}$, which is undefined (see my other post: What is $0^{i}$?)
$$ _{a}D^{i}_{t} f(t) = frac{1}{Gamma(1-i)} frac{d}{dt} int_{a}^t (t-tau)^{i} dtau = frac{1}{Gamma(1-i)} frac{d}{dt} frac{1}{1+i}(0^{1+i} - (t-a)^{1+i}) $$
Is there another way the imaginary-order derivative can be found, without getting an undefined result?
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I would like to find the imaginary-order derivative of a function (let's just focus on a simple function for now). There is the Riemann-Liouville fractional-derivative: $$ _{a}D^{i}_{t} f(t) = frac{1}{Gamma(1-i)} frac{d}{dt} int_{a}^t frac{f(tau)}{(t-tau)^{-i}} dtau$$
For a constant function $ f(t) = c, c in mathbb{R}$, this definition will result in something that has $0^{i}$, which is undefined (see my other post: What is $0^{i}$?)
$$ _{a}D^{i}_{t} f(t) = frac{1}{Gamma(1-i)} frac{d}{dt} int_{a}^t (t-tau)^{i} dtau = frac{1}{Gamma(1-i)} frac{d}{dt} frac{1}{1+i}(0^{1+i} - (t-a)^{1+i}) $$
Is there another way the imaginary-order derivative can be found, without getting an undefined result?
complex-analysis fractional-calculus
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I haven't looked closely at the details, but $0^{1+i}$ is much easier to assign a value to than $0^i$. If you look at my answer on your other post, I think that $0^z = 0$ is safe to write when $z$ has positive real part. But in general, complex exponentiation is multi-valued, so if you want to use Riemann-Liouville you'll need to decide exactly what you mean by $(t-tau)^i$.
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I would like to find the imaginary-order derivative of a function (let's just focus on a simple function for now). There is the Riemann-Liouville fractional-derivative: $$ _{a}D^{i}_{t} f(t) = frac{1}{Gamma(1-i)} frac{d}{dt} int_{a}^t frac{f(tau)}{(t-tau)^{-i}} dtau$$
For a constant function $ f(t) = c, c in mathbb{R}$, this definition will result in something that has $0^{i}$, which is undefined (see my other post: What is $0^{i}$?)
$$ _{a}D^{i}_{t} f(t) = frac{1}{Gamma(1-i)} frac{d}{dt} int_{a}^t (t-tau)^{i} dtau = frac{1}{Gamma(1-i)} frac{d}{dt} frac{1}{1+i}(0^{1+i} - (t-a)^{1+i}) $$
Is there another way the imaginary-order derivative can be found, without getting an undefined result?
complex-analysis fractional-calculus
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I would like to find the imaginary-order derivative of a function (let's just focus on a simple function for now). There is the Riemann-Liouville fractional-derivative: $$ _{a}D^{i}_{t} f(t) = frac{1}{Gamma(1-i)} frac{d}{dt} int_{a}^t frac{f(tau)}{(t-tau)^{-i}} dtau$$
For a constant function $ f(t) = c, c in mathbb{R}$, this definition will result in something that has $0^{i}$, which is undefined (see my other post: What is $0^{i}$?)
$$ _{a}D^{i}_{t} f(t) = frac{1}{Gamma(1-i)} frac{d}{dt} int_{a}^t (t-tau)^{i} dtau = frac{1}{Gamma(1-i)} frac{d}{dt} frac{1}{1+i}(0^{1+i} - (t-a)^{1+i}) $$
Is there another way the imaginary-order derivative can be found, without getting an undefined result?
complex-analysis fractional-calculus
complex-analysis fractional-calculus
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I haven't looked closely at the details, but $0^{1+i}$ is much easier to assign a value to than $0^i$. If you look at my answer on your other post, I think that $0^z = 0$ is safe to write when $z$ has positive real part. But in general, complex exponentiation is multi-valued, so if you want to use Riemann-Liouville you'll need to decide exactly what you mean by $(t-tau)^i$.
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– Slade
Jan 12 '15 at 20:07
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I haven't looked closely at the details, but $0^{1+i}$ is much easier to assign a value to than $0^i$. If you look at my answer on your other post, I think that $0^z = 0$ is safe to write when $z$ has positive real part. But in general, complex exponentiation is multi-valued, so if you want to use Riemann-Liouville you'll need to decide exactly what you mean by $(t-tau)^i$.
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– Slade
Jan 12 '15 at 20:07
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I haven't looked closely at the details, but $0^{1+i}$ is much easier to assign a value to than $0^i$. If you look at my answer on your other post, I think that $0^z = 0$ is safe to write when $z$ has positive real part. But in general, complex exponentiation is multi-valued, so if you want to use Riemann-Liouville you'll need to decide exactly what you mean by $(t-tau)^i$.
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– Slade
Jan 12 '15 at 20:07
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I haven't looked closely at the details, but $0^{1+i}$ is much easier to assign a value to than $0^i$. If you look at my answer on your other post, I think that $0^z = 0$ is safe to write when $z$ has positive real part. But in general, complex exponentiation is multi-valued, so if you want to use Riemann-Liouville you'll need to decide exactly what you mean by $(t-tau)^i$.
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There is a better formula, Fourier transform based differintegral:
$$f^{(s)}(x)=frac{1}{2pi}int_{-infty}^{+infty} e^{- i omega x}(-i omega)^s int_{-infty}^{+infty}f(t)e^{iomega t}dt , domega$$
This stems from the nature of Fourier transform: multiplying the image function by $(-iomega)$ corresponds to taking derivative from the original.
Putting here $i$ instead of $s$ will give you the i-th order derivative of sine:
$$(sin x)^{(i)}=isinhleft(fracpi 2-ixright)$$
There is also another formula based on Newton series which may be useful in some cases:
$$f^{(s)}(x)=sum_{m=0}^{infty} binom {s}m sum_{k=0}^mbinom mk(-1)^{m-k}f^{(k)}(x)$$
but for sine it diverges. When converges, it coincides with the prevuous formula.
That said, there is a general expression for s-th derivative of sine:
$$(sin x)^{(s)}=sinleft(frac{pi s}2+xright)$$
When $s=i$ this coincides with the prevuously obtained result.
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Complex exponentiation involves multi-valued functions. To use this formula, we should choose a branch of the complex logarithm that is defined on the open segment $(0,t-a)$. Let's assume, for simplicity, that $t-a$ is a positive real. Then we have:
$$int_a^t (t-tau)^i dtau = int_a^t e^{i log(t-tau)}dtau = lim_{x to t}frac{1}{1+i}[ e^{(1+i)log(t-tau)}]mid_a^x =$$
$$lim_{xto t} frac{1}{1+i} (e^{(1+i)log(t-x)} - e^{(1+i)log(t-a)}) = -frac{1}{1+i} e^{(1+i)log(t-a)} = -frac{1}{1+i} (t-a)^{1+i}$$
Here the limit is taken from the right, and the last exponentiation is understood to depend on the choice of logarithm.
The step that gets around this $0^i$ business is $lim_{xto t} e^{(1+i)log(t-x)} = 0$, which follows from the fact that $1+i$ has positive real part.
As I pointed out in my answer to your other question, we can arrive at this result in a more ad hoc way by interpreting $0^i$ as a complex number with undefined argument but finite magnitude. Then $0^{1+i} = 0^1 cdot 0^i = 0cdot 0^i = 0$.
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There is a better formula, Fourier transform based differintegral:
$$f^{(s)}(x)=frac{1}{2pi}int_{-infty}^{+infty} e^{- i omega x}(-i omega)^s int_{-infty}^{+infty}f(t)e^{iomega t}dt , domega$$
This stems from the nature of Fourier transform: multiplying the image function by $(-iomega)$ corresponds to taking derivative from the original.
Putting here $i$ instead of $s$ will give you the i-th order derivative of sine:
$$(sin x)^{(i)}=isinhleft(fracpi 2-ixright)$$
There is also another formula based on Newton series which may be useful in some cases:
$$f^{(s)}(x)=sum_{m=0}^{infty} binom {s}m sum_{k=0}^mbinom mk(-1)^{m-k}f^{(k)}(x)$$
but for sine it diverges. When converges, it coincides with the prevuous formula.
That said, there is a general expression for s-th derivative of sine:
$$(sin x)^{(s)}=sinleft(frac{pi s}2+xright)$$
When $s=i$ this coincides with the prevuously obtained result.
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– davidlowryduda♦
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There is a better formula, Fourier transform based differintegral:
$$f^{(s)}(x)=frac{1}{2pi}int_{-infty}^{+infty} e^{- i omega x}(-i omega)^s int_{-infty}^{+infty}f(t)e^{iomega t}dt , domega$$
This stems from the nature of Fourier transform: multiplying the image function by $(-iomega)$ corresponds to taking derivative from the original.
Putting here $i$ instead of $s$ will give you the i-th order derivative of sine:
$$(sin x)^{(i)}=isinhleft(fracpi 2-ixright)$$
There is also another formula based on Newton series which may be useful in some cases:
$$f^{(s)}(x)=sum_{m=0}^{infty} binom {s}m sum_{k=0}^mbinom mk(-1)^{m-k}f^{(k)}(x)$$
but for sine it diverges. When converges, it coincides with the prevuous formula.
That said, there is a general expression for s-th derivative of sine:
$$(sin x)^{(s)}=sinleft(frac{pi s}2+xright)$$
When $s=i$ this coincides with the prevuously obtained result.
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– davidlowryduda♦
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There is a better formula, Fourier transform based differintegral:
$$f^{(s)}(x)=frac{1}{2pi}int_{-infty}^{+infty} e^{- i omega x}(-i omega)^s int_{-infty}^{+infty}f(t)e^{iomega t}dt , domega$$
This stems from the nature of Fourier transform: multiplying the image function by $(-iomega)$ corresponds to taking derivative from the original.
Putting here $i$ instead of $s$ will give you the i-th order derivative of sine:
$$(sin x)^{(i)}=isinhleft(fracpi 2-ixright)$$
There is also another formula based on Newton series which may be useful in some cases:
$$f^{(s)}(x)=sum_{m=0}^{infty} binom {s}m sum_{k=0}^mbinom mk(-1)^{m-k}f^{(k)}(x)$$
but for sine it diverges. When converges, it coincides with the prevuous formula.
That said, there is a general expression for s-th derivative of sine:
$$(sin x)^{(s)}=sinleft(frac{pi s}2+xright)$$
When $s=i$ this coincides with the prevuously obtained result.
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There is a better formula, Fourier transform based differintegral:
$$f^{(s)}(x)=frac{1}{2pi}int_{-infty}^{+infty} e^{- i omega x}(-i omega)^s int_{-infty}^{+infty}f(t)e^{iomega t}dt , domega$$
This stems from the nature of Fourier transform: multiplying the image function by $(-iomega)$ corresponds to taking derivative from the original.
Putting here $i$ instead of $s$ will give you the i-th order derivative of sine:
$$(sin x)^{(i)}=isinhleft(fracpi 2-ixright)$$
There is also another formula based on Newton series which may be useful in some cases:
$$f^{(s)}(x)=sum_{m=0}^{infty} binom {s}m sum_{k=0}^mbinom mk(-1)^{m-k}f^{(k)}(x)$$
but for sine it diverges. When converges, it coincides with the prevuous formula.
That said, there is a general expression for s-th derivative of sine:
$$(sin x)^{(s)}=sinleft(frac{pi s}2+xright)$$
When $s=i$ this coincides with the prevuously obtained result.
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Complex exponentiation involves multi-valued functions. To use this formula, we should choose a branch of the complex logarithm that is defined on the open segment $(0,t-a)$. Let's assume, for simplicity, that $t-a$ is a positive real. Then we have:
$$int_a^t (t-tau)^i dtau = int_a^t e^{i log(t-tau)}dtau = lim_{x to t}frac{1}{1+i}[ e^{(1+i)log(t-tau)}]mid_a^x =$$
$$lim_{xto t} frac{1}{1+i} (e^{(1+i)log(t-x)} - e^{(1+i)log(t-a)}) = -frac{1}{1+i} e^{(1+i)log(t-a)} = -frac{1}{1+i} (t-a)^{1+i}$$
Here the limit is taken from the right, and the last exponentiation is understood to depend on the choice of logarithm.
The step that gets around this $0^i$ business is $lim_{xto t} e^{(1+i)log(t-x)} = 0$, which follows from the fact that $1+i$ has positive real part.
As I pointed out in my answer to your other question, we can arrive at this result in a more ad hoc way by interpreting $0^i$ as a complex number with undefined argument but finite magnitude. Then $0^{1+i} = 0^1 cdot 0^i = 0cdot 0^i = 0$.
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$begingroup$
Complex exponentiation involves multi-valued functions. To use this formula, we should choose a branch of the complex logarithm that is defined on the open segment $(0,t-a)$. Let's assume, for simplicity, that $t-a$ is a positive real. Then we have:
$$int_a^t (t-tau)^i dtau = int_a^t e^{i log(t-tau)}dtau = lim_{x to t}frac{1}{1+i}[ e^{(1+i)log(t-tau)}]mid_a^x =$$
$$lim_{xto t} frac{1}{1+i} (e^{(1+i)log(t-x)} - e^{(1+i)log(t-a)}) = -frac{1}{1+i} e^{(1+i)log(t-a)} = -frac{1}{1+i} (t-a)^{1+i}$$
Here the limit is taken from the right, and the last exponentiation is understood to depend on the choice of logarithm.
The step that gets around this $0^i$ business is $lim_{xto t} e^{(1+i)log(t-x)} = 0$, which follows from the fact that $1+i$ has positive real part.
As I pointed out in my answer to your other question, we can arrive at this result in a more ad hoc way by interpreting $0^i$ as a complex number with undefined argument but finite magnitude. Then $0^{1+i} = 0^1 cdot 0^i = 0cdot 0^i = 0$.
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Complex exponentiation involves multi-valued functions. To use this formula, we should choose a branch of the complex logarithm that is defined on the open segment $(0,t-a)$. Let's assume, for simplicity, that $t-a$ is a positive real. Then we have:
$$int_a^t (t-tau)^i dtau = int_a^t e^{i log(t-tau)}dtau = lim_{x to t}frac{1}{1+i}[ e^{(1+i)log(t-tau)}]mid_a^x =$$
$$lim_{xto t} frac{1}{1+i} (e^{(1+i)log(t-x)} - e^{(1+i)log(t-a)}) = -frac{1}{1+i} e^{(1+i)log(t-a)} = -frac{1}{1+i} (t-a)^{1+i}$$
Here the limit is taken from the right, and the last exponentiation is understood to depend on the choice of logarithm.
The step that gets around this $0^i$ business is $lim_{xto t} e^{(1+i)log(t-x)} = 0$, which follows from the fact that $1+i$ has positive real part.
As I pointed out in my answer to your other question, we can arrive at this result in a more ad hoc way by interpreting $0^i$ as a complex number with undefined argument but finite magnitude. Then $0^{1+i} = 0^1 cdot 0^i = 0cdot 0^i = 0$.
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Complex exponentiation involves multi-valued functions. To use this formula, we should choose a branch of the complex logarithm that is defined on the open segment $(0,t-a)$. Let's assume, for simplicity, that $t-a$ is a positive real. Then we have:
$$int_a^t (t-tau)^i dtau = int_a^t e^{i log(t-tau)}dtau = lim_{x to t}frac{1}{1+i}[ e^{(1+i)log(t-tau)}]mid_a^x =$$
$$lim_{xto t} frac{1}{1+i} (e^{(1+i)log(t-x)} - e^{(1+i)log(t-a)}) = -frac{1}{1+i} e^{(1+i)log(t-a)} = -frac{1}{1+i} (t-a)^{1+i}$$
Here the limit is taken from the right, and the last exponentiation is understood to depend on the choice of logarithm.
The step that gets around this $0^i$ business is $lim_{xto t} e^{(1+i)log(t-x)} = 0$, which follows from the fact that $1+i$ has positive real part.
As I pointed out in my answer to your other question, we can arrive at this result in a more ad hoc way by interpreting $0^i$ as a complex number with undefined argument but finite magnitude. Then $0^{1+i} = 0^1 cdot 0^i = 0cdot 0^i = 0$.
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I haven't looked closely at the details, but $0^{1+i}$ is much easier to assign a value to than $0^i$. If you look at my answer on your other post, I think that $0^z = 0$ is safe to write when $z$ has positive real part. But in general, complex exponentiation is multi-valued, so if you want to use Riemann-Liouville you'll need to decide exactly what you mean by $(t-tau)^i$.
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