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I would like to find the imaginary-order derivative of a function (let's just focus on a simple function for now). There is the Riemann-Liouville fractional-derivative: $$ _{a}D^{i}_{t} f(t) = frac{1}{Gamma(1-i)} frac{d}{dt} int_{a}^t frac{f(tau)}{(t-tau)^{-i}} dtau$$



For a constant function $ f(t) = c, c in mathbb{R}$, this definition will result in something that has $0^{i}$, which is undefined (see my other post: What is $0^{i}$?)



$$ _{a}D^{i}_{t} f(t) = frac{1}{Gamma(1-i)} frac{d}{dt} int_{a}^t (t-tau)^{i} dtau = frac{1}{Gamma(1-i)} frac{d}{dt} frac{1}{1+i}(0^{1+i} - (t-a)^{1+i}) $$



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    I haven't looked closely at the details, but $0^{1+i}$ is much easier to assign a value to than $0^i$. If you look at my answer on your other post, I think that $0^z = 0$ is safe to write when $z$ has positive real part. But in general, complex exponentiation is multi-valued, so if you want to use Riemann-Liouville you'll need to decide exactly what you mean by $(t-tau)^i$.
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I would like to find the imaginary-order derivative of a function (let's just focus on a simple function for now). There is the Riemann-Liouville fractional-derivative: $$ _{a}D^{i}_{t} f(t) = frac{1}{Gamma(1-i)} frac{d}{dt} int_{a}^t frac{f(tau)}{(t-tau)^{-i}} dtau$$



For a constant function $ f(t) = c, c in mathbb{R}$, this definition will result in something that has $0^{i}$, which is undefined (see my other post: What is $0^{i}$?)



$$ _{a}D^{i}_{t} f(t) = frac{1}{Gamma(1-i)} frac{d}{dt} int_{a}^t (t-tau)^{i} dtau = frac{1}{Gamma(1-i)} frac{d}{dt} frac{1}{1+i}(0^{1+i} - (t-a)^{1+i}) $$



Is there another way the imaginary-order derivative can be found, without getting an undefined result?










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    I haven't looked closely at the details, but $0^{1+i}$ is much easier to assign a value to than $0^i$. If you look at my answer on your other post, I think that $0^z = 0$ is safe to write when $z$ has positive real part. But in general, complex exponentiation is multi-valued, so if you want to use Riemann-Liouville you'll need to decide exactly what you mean by $(t-tau)^i$.
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I would like to find the imaginary-order derivative of a function (let's just focus on a simple function for now). There is the Riemann-Liouville fractional-derivative: $$ _{a}D^{i}_{t} f(t) = frac{1}{Gamma(1-i)} frac{d}{dt} int_{a}^t frac{f(tau)}{(t-tau)^{-i}} dtau$$



For a constant function $ f(t) = c, c in mathbb{R}$, this definition will result in something that has $0^{i}$, which is undefined (see my other post: What is $0^{i}$?)



$$ _{a}D^{i}_{t} f(t) = frac{1}{Gamma(1-i)} frac{d}{dt} int_{a}^t (t-tau)^{i} dtau = frac{1}{Gamma(1-i)} frac{d}{dt} frac{1}{1+i}(0^{1+i} - (t-a)^{1+i}) $$



Is there another way the imaginary-order derivative can be found, without getting an undefined result?










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I would like to find the imaginary-order derivative of a function (let's just focus on a simple function for now). There is the Riemann-Liouville fractional-derivative: $$ _{a}D^{i}_{t} f(t) = frac{1}{Gamma(1-i)} frac{d}{dt} int_{a}^t frac{f(tau)}{(t-tau)^{-i}} dtau$$



For a constant function $ f(t) = c, c in mathbb{R}$, this definition will result in something that has $0^{i}$, which is undefined (see my other post: What is $0^{i}$?)



$$ _{a}D^{i}_{t} f(t) = frac{1}{Gamma(1-i)} frac{d}{dt} int_{a}^t (t-tau)^{i} dtau = frac{1}{Gamma(1-i)} frac{d}{dt} frac{1}{1+i}(0^{1+i} - (t-a)^{1+i}) $$



Is there another way the imaginary-order derivative can be found, without getting an undefined result?







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    I haven't looked closely at the details, but $0^{1+i}$ is much easier to assign a value to than $0^i$. If you look at my answer on your other post, I think that $0^z = 0$ is safe to write when $z$ has positive real part. But in general, complex exponentiation is multi-valued, so if you want to use Riemann-Liouville you'll need to decide exactly what you mean by $(t-tau)^i$.
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    I haven't looked closely at the details, but $0^{1+i}$ is much easier to assign a value to than $0^i$. If you look at my answer on your other post, I think that $0^z = 0$ is safe to write when $z$ has positive real part. But in general, complex exponentiation is multi-valued, so if you want to use Riemann-Liouville you'll need to decide exactly what you mean by $(t-tau)^i$.
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I haven't looked closely at the details, but $0^{1+i}$ is much easier to assign a value to than $0^i$. If you look at my answer on your other post, I think that $0^z = 0$ is safe to write when $z$ has positive real part. But in general, complex exponentiation is multi-valued, so if you want to use Riemann-Liouville you'll need to decide exactly what you mean by $(t-tau)^i$.
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I haven't looked closely at the details, but $0^{1+i}$ is much easier to assign a value to than $0^i$. If you look at my answer on your other post, I think that $0^z = 0$ is safe to write when $z$ has positive real part. But in general, complex exponentiation is multi-valued, so if you want to use Riemann-Liouville you'll need to decide exactly what you mean by $(t-tau)^i$.
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There is a better formula, Fourier transform based differintegral:



$$f^{(s)}(x)=frac{1}{2pi}int_{-infty}^{+infty} e^{- i omega x}(-i omega)^s int_{-infty}^{+infty}f(t)e^{iomega t}dt , domega$$



This stems from the nature of Fourier transform: multiplying the image function by $(-iomega)$ corresponds to taking derivative from the original.



Putting here $i$ instead of $s$ will give you the i-th order derivative of sine:



$$(sin x)^{(i)}=isinhleft(fracpi 2-ixright)$$



There is also another formula based on Newton series which may be useful in some cases:



$$f^{(s)}(x)=sum_{m=0}^{infty} binom {s}m sum_{k=0}^mbinom mk(-1)^{m-k}f^{(k)}(x)$$



but for sine it diverges. When converges, it coincides with the prevuous formula.



That said, there is a general expression for s-th derivative of sine:



$$(sin x)^{(s)}=sinleft(frac{pi s}2+xright)$$



When $s=i$ this coincides with the prevuously obtained result.






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Complex exponentiation involves multi-valued functions. To use this formula, we should choose a branch of the complex logarithm that is defined on the open segment $(0,t-a)$. Let's assume, for simplicity, that $t-a$ is a positive real. Then we have:



$$int_a^t (t-tau)^i dtau = int_a^t e^{i log(t-tau)}dtau = lim_{x to t}frac{1}{1+i}[ e^{(1+i)log(t-tau)}]mid_a^x =$$



$$lim_{xto t} frac{1}{1+i} (e^{(1+i)log(t-x)} - e^{(1+i)log(t-a)}) = -frac{1}{1+i} e^{(1+i)log(t-a)} = -frac{1}{1+i} (t-a)^{1+i}$$



Here the limit is taken from the right, and the last exponentiation is understood to depend on the choice of logarithm.



The step that gets around this $0^i$ business is $lim_{xto t} e^{(1+i)log(t-x)} = 0$, which follows from the fact that $1+i$ has positive real part.



As I pointed out in my answer to your other question, we can arrive at this result in a more ad hoc way by interpreting $0^i$ as a complex number with undefined argument but finite magnitude. Then $0^{1+i} = 0^1 cdot 0^i = 0cdot 0^i = 0$.






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    There is a better formula, Fourier transform based differintegral:



    $$f^{(s)}(x)=frac{1}{2pi}int_{-infty}^{+infty} e^{- i omega x}(-i omega)^s int_{-infty}^{+infty}f(t)e^{iomega t}dt , domega$$



    This stems from the nature of Fourier transform: multiplying the image function by $(-iomega)$ corresponds to taking derivative from the original.



    Putting here $i$ instead of $s$ will give you the i-th order derivative of sine:



    $$(sin x)^{(i)}=isinhleft(fracpi 2-ixright)$$



    There is also another formula based on Newton series which may be useful in some cases:



    $$f^{(s)}(x)=sum_{m=0}^{infty} binom {s}m sum_{k=0}^mbinom mk(-1)^{m-k}f^{(k)}(x)$$



    but for sine it diverges. When converges, it coincides with the prevuous formula.



    That said, there is a general expression for s-th derivative of sine:



    $$(sin x)^{(s)}=sinleft(frac{pi s}2+xright)$$



    When $s=i$ this coincides with the prevuously obtained result.






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    $begingroup$

    There is a better formula, Fourier transform based differintegral:



    $$f^{(s)}(x)=frac{1}{2pi}int_{-infty}^{+infty} e^{- i omega x}(-i omega)^s int_{-infty}^{+infty}f(t)e^{iomega t}dt , domega$$



    This stems from the nature of Fourier transform: multiplying the image function by $(-iomega)$ corresponds to taking derivative from the original.



    Putting here $i$ instead of $s$ will give you the i-th order derivative of sine:



    $$(sin x)^{(i)}=isinhleft(fracpi 2-ixright)$$



    There is also another formula based on Newton series which may be useful in some cases:



    $$f^{(s)}(x)=sum_{m=0}^{infty} binom {s}m sum_{k=0}^mbinom mk(-1)^{m-k}f^{(k)}(x)$$



    but for sine it diverges. When converges, it coincides with the prevuous formula.



    That said, there is a general expression for s-th derivative of sine:



    $$(sin x)^{(s)}=sinleft(frac{pi s}2+xright)$$



    When $s=i$ this coincides with the prevuously obtained result.






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    There is a better formula, Fourier transform based differintegral:



    $$f^{(s)}(x)=frac{1}{2pi}int_{-infty}^{+infty} e^{- i omega x}(-i omega)^s int_{-infty}^{+infty}f(t)e^{iomega t}dt , domega$$



    This stems from the nature of Fourier transform: multiplying the image function by $(-iomega)$ corresponds to taking derivative from the original.



    Putting here $i$ instead of $s$ will give you the i-th order derivative of sine:



    $$(sin x)^{(i)}=isinhleft(fracpi 2-ixright)$$



    There is also another formula based on Newton series which may be useful in some cases:



    $$f^{(s)}(x)=sum_{m=0}^{infty} binom {s}m sum_{k=0}^mbinom mk(-1)^{m-k}f^{(k)}(x)$$



    but for sine it diverges. When converges, it coincides with the prevuous formula.



    That said, there is a general expression for s-th derivative of sine:



    $$(sin x)^{(s)}=sinleft(frac{pi s}2+xright)$$



    When $s=i$ this coincides with the prevuously obtained result.






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    There is a better formula, Fourier transform based differintegral:



    $$f^{(s)}(x)=frac{1}{2pi}int_{-infty}^{+infty} e^{- i omega x}(-i omega)^s int_{-infty}^{+infty}f(t)e^{iomega t}dt , domega$$



    This stems from the nature of Fourier transform: multiplying the image function by $(-iomega)$ corresponds to taking derivative from the original.



    Putting here $i$ instead of $s$ will give you the i-th order derivative of sine:



    $$(sin x)^{(i)}=isinhleft(fracpi 2-ixright)$$



    There is also another formula based on Newton series which may be useful in some cases:



    $$f^{(s)}(x)=sum_{m=0}^{infty} binom {s}m sum_{k=0}^mbinom mk(-1)^{m-k}f^{(k)}(x)$$



    but for sine it diverges. When converges, it coincides with the prevuous formula.



    That said, there is a general expression for s-th derivative of sine:



    $$(sin x)^{(s)}=sinleft(frac{pi s}2+xright)$$



    When $s=i$ this coincides with the prevuously obtained result.







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    Complex exponentiation involves multi-valued functions. To use this formula, we should choose a branch of the complex logarithm that is defined on the open segment $(0,t-a)$. Let's assume, for simplicity, that $t-a$ is a positive real. Then we have:



    $$int_a^t (t-tau)^i dtau = int_a^t e^{i log(t-tau)}dtau = lim_{x to t}frac{1}{1+i}[ e^{(1+i)log(t-tau)}]mid_a^x =$$



    $$lim_{xto t} frac{1}{1+i} (e^{(1+i)log(t-x)} - e^{(1+i)log(t-a)}) = -frac{1}{1+i} e^{(1+i)log(t-a)} = -frac{1}{1+i} (t-a)^{1+i}$$



    Here the limit is taken from the right, and the last exponentiation is understood to depend on the choice of logarithm.



    The step that gets around this $0^i$ business is $lim_{xto t} e^{(1+i)log(t-x)} = 0$, which follows from the fact that $1+i$ has positive real part.



    As I pointed out in my answer to your other question, we can arrive at this result in a more ad hoc way by interpreting $0^i$ as a complex number with undefined argument but finite magnitude. Then $0^{1+i} = 0^1 cdot 0^i = 0cdot 0^i = 0$.






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      Complex exponentiation involves multi-valued functions. To use this formula, we should choose a branch of the complex logarithm that is defined on the open segment $(0,t-a)$. Let's assume, for simplicity, that $t-a$ is a positive real. Then we have:



      $$int_a^t (t-tau)^i dtau = int_a^t e^{i log(t-tau)}dtau = lim_{x to t}frac{1}{1+i}[ e^{(1+i)log(t-tau)}]mid_a^x =$$



      $$lim_{xto t} frac{1}{1+i} (e^{(1+i)log(t-x)} - e^{(1+i)log(t-a)}) = -frac{1}{1+i} e^{(1+i)log(t-a)} = -frac{1}{1+i} (t-a)^{1+i}$$



      Here the limit is taken from the right, and the last exponentiation is understood to depend on the choice of logarithm.



      The step that gets around this $0^i$ business is $lim_{xto t} e^{(1+i)log(t-x)} = 0$, which follows from the fact that $1+i$ has positive real part.



      As I pointed out in my answer to your other question, we can arrive at this result in a more ad hoc way by interpreting $0^i$ as a complex number with undefined argument but finite magnitude. Then $0^{1+i} = 0^1 cdot 0^i = 0cdot 0^i = 0$.






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        Complex exponentiation involves multi-valued functions. To use this formula, we should choose a branch of the complex logarithm that is defined on the open segment $(0,t-a)$. Let's assume, for simplicity, that $t-a$ is a positive real. Then we have:



        $$int_a^t (t-tau)^i dtau = int_a^t e^{i log(t-tau)}dtau = lim_{x to t}frac{1}{1+i}[ e^{(1+i)log(t-tau)}]mid_a^x =$$



        $$lim_{xto t} frac{1}{1+i} (e^{(1+i)log(t-x)} - e^{(1+i)log(t-a)}) = -frac{1}{1+i} e^{(1+i)log(t-a)} = -frac{1}{1+i} (t-a)^{1+i}$$



        Here the limit is taken from the right, and the last exponentiation is understood to depend on the choice of logarithm.



        The step that gets around this $0^i$ business is $lim_{xto t} e^{(1+i)log(t-x)} = 0$, which follows from the fact that $1+i$ has positive real part.



        As I pointed out in my answer to your other question, we can arrive at this result in a more ad hoc way by interpreting $0^i$ as a complex number with undefined argument but finite magnitude. Then $0^{1+i} = 0^1 cdot 0^i = 0cdot 0^i = 0$.






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        Complex exponentiation involves multi-valued functions. To use this formula, we should choose a branch of the complex logarithm that is defined on the open segment $(0,t-a)$. Let's assume, for simplicity, that $t-a$ is a positive real. Then we have:



        $$int_a^t (t-tau)^i dtau = int_a^t e^{i log(t-tau)}dtau = lim_{x to t}frac{1}{1+i}[ e^{(1+i)log(t-tau)}]mid_a^x =$$



        $$lim_{xto t} frac{1}{1+i} (e^{(1+i)log(t-x)} - e^{(1+i)log(t-a)}) = -frac{1}{1+i} e^{(1+i)log(t-a)} = -frac{1}{1+i} (t-a)^{1+i}$$



        Here the limit is taken from the right, and the last exponentiation is understood to depend on the choice of logarithm.



        The step that gets around this $0^i$ business is $lim_{xto t} e^{(1+i)log(t-x)} = 0$, which follows from the fact that $1+i$ has positive real part.



        As I pointed out in my answer to your other question, we can arrive at this result in a more ad hoc way by interpreting $0^i$ as a complex number with undefined argument but finite magnitude. Then $0^{1+i} = 0^1 cdot 0^i = 0cdot 0^i = 0$.







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