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Let $(a_n)_{n=1}^infty$ be a real sequence. Find a necessary and sufficient condition for $(a_n)$ so $(lfloor a_n rfloor)_{n=1}^infty$ converges to $0$.
Hi everyone. I am trying to brush up on calculus. I believe the necessary and sufficient condition would be $$lim_{ntoinfty}{a_n} in [0,1).$$ It's clear for me why this is true (or could be) but I need to prove this using the definition of a limit. I've tried some tricks with the triangle inequality and the properties of the floor function, but for some reason I can't prove this properly.
I would love to hear your thoughts.
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Let $(a_n)_{n=1}^infty$ be a real sequence. Find a necessary and sufficient condition for $(a_n)$ so $(lfloor a_n rfloor)_{n=1}^infty$ converges to $0$.
Hi everyone. I am trying to brush up on calculus. I believe the necessary and sufficient condition would be $$lim_{ntoinfty}{a_n} in [0,1).$$ It's clear for me why this is true (or could be) but I need to prove this using the definition of a limit. I've tried some tricks with the triangle inequality and the properties of the floor function, but for some reason I can't prove this properly.
I would love to hear your thoughts.
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Let $(a_n)_{n=1}^infty$ be a real sequence. Find a necessary and sufficient condition for $(a_n)$ so $(lfloor a_n rfloor)_{n=1}^infty$ converges to $0$.
Hi everyone. I am trying to brush up on calculus. I believe the necessary and sufficient condition would be $$lim_{ntoinfty}{a_n} in [0,1).$$ It's clear for me why this is true (or could be) but I need to prove this using the definition of a limit. I've tried some tricks with the triangle inequality and the properties of the floor function, but for some reason I can't prove this properly.
I would love to hear your thoughts.
calculus real-analysis sequences-and-series convergence floor-function
Let $(a_n)_{n=1}^infty$ be a real sequence. Find a necessary and sufficient condition for $(a_n)$ so $(lfloor a_n rfloor)_{n=1}^infty$ converges to $0$.
Hi everyone. I am trying to brush up on calculus. I believe the necessary and sufficient condition would be $$lim_{ntoinfty}{a_n} in [0,1).$$ It's clear for me why this is true (or could be) but I need to prove this using the definition of a limit. I've tried some tricks with the triangle inequality and the properties of the floor function, but for some reason I can't prove this properly.
I would love to hear your thoughts.
calculus real-analysis sequences-and-series convergence floor-function
calculus real-analysis sequences-and-series convergence floor-function
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Your condition is sufficient, but not necessary. Take, for instance$$a_n=begin{cases}frac12&text{ if $n$ is odd}\0&text{ otherwise.}end{cases}$$Then $lim_{ntoinfty}a_n$ doesn't exist, but $lim_{ntoinfty}lfloor anrfloor=0$.
A condition which is both necessary and sufficient is that $ngg1implies a_nin[0,1)$. Can you prove it?
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$(lfloor a_n rfloor)$ is a stationnary sequence.
If $lfloor a_nrfloor$ goes to zero, then for large enough $n$,
$$-frac 12<lfloor a_nrfloor <frac 12$$
thus
$$lfloor a_nrfloor=0$$
and
$$0le a_n<1$$
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This is valid only if you interpret $lfloor a_nrfloor$ as rounding to nearest, but normally it is the floor function.
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Thank you very much Hamam!
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Your condition is sufficient, but not necessary. Take, for instance$$a_n=begin{cases}frac12&text{ if $n$ is odd}\0&text{ otherwise.}end{cases}$$Then $lim_{ntoinfty}a_n$ doesn't exist, but $lim_{ntoinfty}lfloor anrfloor=0$.
A condition which is both necessary and sufficient is that $ngg1implies a_nin[0,1)$. Can you prove it?
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Your condition is sufficient, but not necessary. Take, for instance$$a_n=begin{cases}frac12&text{ if $n$ is odd}\0&text{ otherwise.}end{cases}$$Then $lim_{ntoinfty}a_n$ doesn't exist, but $lim_{ntoinfty}lfloor anrfloor=0$.
A condition which is both necessary and sufficient is that $ngg1implies a_nin[0,1)$. Can you prove it?
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Your condition is sufficient, but not necessary. Take, for instance$$a_n=begin{cases}frac12&text{ if $n$ is odd}\0&text{ otherwise.}end{cases}$$Then $lim_{ntoinfty}a_n$ doesn't exist, but $lim_{ntoinfty}lfloor anrfloor=0$.
A condition which is both necessary and sufficient is that $ngg1implies a_nin[0,1)$. Can you prove it?
Your condition is sufficient, but not necessary. Take, for instance$$a_n=begin{cases}frac12&text{ if $n$ is odd}\0&text{ otherwise.}end{cases}$$Then $lim_{ntoinfty}a_n$ doesn't exist, but $lim_{ntoinfty}lfloor anrfloor=0$.
A condition which is both necessary and sufficient is that $ngg1implies a_nin[0,1)$. Can you prove it?
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$(lfloor a_n rfloor)$ is a stationnary sequence.
If $lfloor a_nrfloor$ goes to zero, then for large enough $n$,
$$-frac 12<lfloor a_nrfloor <frac 12$$
thus
$$lfloor a_nrfloor=0$$
and
$$0le a_n<1$$
1
This is valid only if you interpret $lfloor a_nrfloor$ as rounding to nearest, but normally it is the floor function.
– gammatester
Nov 25 at 17:26
Thank you very much Hamam!
– Noy Perel
Nov 25 at 17:32
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$(lfloor a_n rfloor)$ is a stationnary sequence.
If $lfloor a_nrfloor$ goes to zero, then for large enough $n$,
$$-frac 12<lfloor a_nrfloor <frac 12$$
thus
$$lfloor a_nrfloor=0$$
and
$$0le a_n<1$$
1
This is valid only if you interpret $lfloor a_nrfloor$ as rounding to nearest, but normally it is the floor function.
– gammatester
Nov 25 at 17:26
Thank you very much Hamam!
– Noy Perel
Nov 25 at 17:32
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$(lfloor a_n rfloor)$ is a stationnary sequence.
If $lfloor a_nrfloor$ goes to zero, then for large enough $n$,
$$-frac 12<lfloor a_nrfloor <frac 12$$
thus
$$lfloor a_nrfloor=0$$
and
$$0le a_n<1$$
$(lfloor a_n rfloor)$ is a stationnary sequence.
If $lfloor a_nrfloor$ goes to zero, then for large enough $n$,
$$-frac 12<lfloor a_nrfloor <frac 12$$
thus
$$lfloor a_nrfloor=0$$
and
$$0le a_n<1$$
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This is valid only if you interpret $lfloor a_nrfloor$ as rounding to nearest, but normally it is the floor function.
– gammatester
Nov 25 at 17:26
Thank you very much Hamam!
– Noy Perel
Nov 25 at 17:32
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1
This is valid only if you interpret $lfloor a_nrfloor$ as rounding to nearest, but normally it is the floor function.
– gammatester
Nov 25 at 17:26
Thank you very much Hamam!
– Noy Perel
Nov 25 at 17:32
1
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This is valid only if you interpret $lfloor a_nrfloor$ as rounding to nearest, but normally it is the floor function.
– gammatester
Nov 25 at 17:26
This is valid only if you interpret $lfloor a_nrfloor$ as rounding to nearest, but normally it is the floor function.
– gammatester
Nov 25 at 17:26
Thank you very much Hamam!
– Noy Perel
Nov 25 at 17:32
Thank you very much Hamam!
– Noy Perel
Nov 25 at 17:32
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