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Let $(a_n)_{n=1}^infty$ be a real sequence. Find a necessary and sufficient condition for $(a_n)$ so $(lfloor a_n rfloor)_{n=1}^infty$ converges to $0$.




Hi everyone. I am trying to brush up on calculus. I believe the necessary and sufficient condition would be $$lim_{ntoinfty}{a_n} in [0,1).$$ It's clear for me why this is true (or could be) but I need to prove this using the definition of a limit. I've tried some tricks with the triangle inequality and the properties of the floor function, but for some reason I can't prove this properly.



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    Let $(a_n)_{n=1}^infty$ be a real sequence. Find a necessary and sufficient condition for $(a_n)$ so $(lfloor a_n rfloor)_{n=1}^infty$ converges to $0$.




    Hi everyone. I am trying to brush up on calculus. I believe the necessary and sufficient condition would be $$lim_{ntoinfty}{a_n} in [0,1).$$ It's clear for me why this is true (or could be) but I need to prove this using the definition of a limit. I've tried some tricks with the triangle inequality and the properties of the floor function, but for some reason I can't prove this properly.



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      Let $(a_n)_{n=1}^infty$ be a real sequence. Find a necessary and sufficient condition for $(a_n)$ so $(lfloor a_n rfloor)_{n=1}^infty$ converges to $0$.




      Hi everyone. I am trying to brush up on calculus. I believe the necessary and sufficient condition would be $$lim_{ntoinfty}{a_n} in [0,1).$$ It's clear for me why this is true (or could be) but I need to prove this using the definition of a limit. I've tried some tricks with the triangle inequality and the properties of the floor function, but for some reason I can't prove this properly.



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      Let $(a_n)_{n=1}^infty$ be a real sequence. Find a necessary and sufficient condition for $(a_n)$ so $(lfloor a_n rfloor)_{n=1}^infty$ converges to $0$.




      Hi everyone. I am trying to brush up on calculus. I believe the necessary and sufficient condition would be $$lim_{ntoinfty}{a_n} in [0,1).$$ It's clear for me why this is true (or could be) but I need to prove this using the definition of a limit. I've tried some tricks with the triangle inequality and the properties of the floor function, but for some reason I can't prove this properly.



      I would love to hear your thoughts.







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          Your condition is sufficient, but not necessary. Take, for instance$$a_n=begin{cases}frac12&text{ if $n$ is odd}\0&text{ otherwise.}end{cases}$$Then $lim_{ntoinfty}a_n$ doesn't exist, but $lim_{ntoinfty}lfloor anrfloor=0$.



          A condition which is both necessary and sufficient is that $ngg1implies a_nin[0,1)$. Can you prove it?






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            $(lfloor a_n rfloor)$ is a stationnary sequence.



            If $lfloor a_nrfloor$ goes to zero, then for large enough $n$,



            $$-frac 12<lfloor a_nrfloor <frac 12$$



            thus
            $$lfloor a_nrfloor=0$$



            and



            $$0le a_n<1$$






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              This is valid only if you interpret $lfloor a_nrfloor$ as rounding to nearest, but normally it is the floor function.
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            • Thank you very much Hamam!
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            Your condition is sufficient, but not necessary. Take, for instance$$a_n=begin{cases}frac12&text{ if $n$ is odd}\0&text{ otherwise.}end{cases}$$Then $lim_{ntoinfty}a_n$ doesn't exist, but $lim_{ntoinfty}lfloor anrfloor=0$.



            A condition which is both necessary and sufficient is that $ngg1implies a_nin[0,1)$. Can you prove it?






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              Your condition is sufficient, but not necessary. Take, for instance$$a_n=begin{cases}frac12&text{ if $n$ is odd}\0&text{ otherwise.}end{cases}$$Then $lim_{ntoinfty}a_n$ doesn't exist, but $lim_{ntoinfty}lfloor anrfloor=0$.



              A condition which is both necessary and sufficient is that $ngg1implies a_nin[0,1)$. Can you prove it?






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                Your condition is sufficient, but not necessary. Take, for instance$$a_n=begin{cases}frac12&text{ if $n$ is odd}\0&text{ otherwise.}end{cases}$$Then $lim_{ntoinfty}a_n$ doesn't exist, but $lim_{ntoinfty}lfloor anrfloor=0$.



                A condition which is both necessary and sufficient is that $ngg1implies a_nin[0,1)$. Can you prove it?






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                Your condition is sufficient, but not necessary. Take, for instance$$a_n=begin{cases}frac12&text{ if $n$ is odd}\0&text{ otherwise.}end{cases}$$Then $lim_{ntoinfty}a_n$ doesn't exist, but $lim_{ntoinfty}lfloor anrfloor=0$.



                A condition which is both necessary and sufficient is that $ngg1implies a_nin[0,1)$. Can you prove it?







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                    $(lfloor a_n rfloor)$ is a stationnary sequence.



                    If $lfloor a_nrfloor$ goes to zero, then for large enough $n$,



                    $$-frac 12<lfloor a_nrfloor <frac 12$$



                    thus
                    $$lfloor a_nrfloor=0$$



                    and



                    $$0le a_n<1$$






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                      This is valid only if you interpret $lfloor a_nrfloor$ as rounding to nearest, but normally it is the floor function.
                      – gammatester
                      Nov 25 at 17:26










                    • Thank you very much Hamam!
                      – Noy Perel
                      Nov 25 at 17:32















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                    $(lfloor a_n rfloor)$ is a stationnary sequence.



                    If $lfloor a_nrfloor$ goes to zero, then for large enough $n$,



                    $$-frac 12<lfloor a_nrfloor <frac 12$$



                    thus
                    $$lfloor a_nrfloor=0$$



                    and



                    $$0le a_n<1$$






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                      This is valid only if you interpret $lfloor a_nrfloor$ as rounding to nearest, but normally it is the floor function.
                      – gammatester
                      Nov 25 at 17:26










                    • Thank you very much Hamam!
                      – Noy Perel
                      Nov 25 at 17:32













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                    $(lfloor a_n rfloor)$ is a stationnary sequence.



                    If $lfloor a_nrfloor$ goes to zero, then for large enough $n$,



                    $$-frac 12<lfloor a_nrfloor <frac 12$$



                    thus
                    $$lfloor a_nrfloor=0$$



                    and



                    $$0le a_n<1$$






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                    $(lfloor a_n rfloor)$ is a stationnary sequence.



                    If $lfloor a_nrfloor$ goes to zero, then for large enough $n$,



                    $$-frac 12<lfloor a_nrfloor <frac 12$$



                    thus
                    $$lfloor a_nrfloor=0$$



                    and



                    $$0le a_n<1$$







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                      This is valid only if you interpret $lfloor a_nrfloor$ as rounding to nearest, but normally it is the floor function.
                      – gammatester
                      Nov 25 at 17:26










                    • Thank you very much Hamam!
                      – Noy Perel
                      Nov 25 at 17:32














                    • 1




                      This is valid only if you interpret $lfloor a_nrfloor$ as rounding to nearest, but normally it is the floor function.
                      – gammatester
                      Nov 25 at 17:26










                    • Thank you very much Hamam!
                      – Noy Perel
                      Nov 25 at 17:32








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                    This is valid only if you interpret $lfloor a_nrfloor$ as rounding to nearest, but normally it is the floor function.
                    – gammatester
                    Nov 25 at 17:26




                    This is valid only if you interpret $lfloor a_nrfloor$ as rounding to nearest, but normally it is the floor function.
                    – gammatester
                    Nov 25 at 17:26












                    Thank you very much Hamam!
                    – Noy Perel
                    Nov 25 at 17:32




                    Thank you very much Hamam!
                    – Noy Perel
                    Nov 25 at 17:32


















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