How is the Laplacian in spherical derived?











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Suppose $Phi$ is a function of $r, theta$ and $phi$. If I want to derive the Laplacian for this function, I would assume that..



$$nabla ^2 Phi = nabla cdot nabla Phi$$



And as, in spherical:



$$nabla = frac{partial}{partial r} hat r + frac{1}{r} frac{partial}{partial theta} hat theta + frac{1}{r sin theta} frac{partial}{partial phi} hat phi$$



Which implies



$$nabla Phi= frac{partial Phi}{partial r} hat r + frac{1}{r} frac{partial Phi}{partial theta} hat theta + frac{1}{r sin theta} frac{partial Phi}{partial phi} hat phi$$



Thus, the Laplacian would seem to me to be:



$$largebegin{bmatrix}
frac{partial}{partial r} \
frac{1}{r} frac{partial}{partial theta} \
frac{1}{r sin theta} frac{partial}{partial phi} \
end{bmatrix} cdot
begin{bmatrix}
frac{partial Phi}{partial r} \
frac{1}{r} frac{partial Phi}{partial theta} \
frac{1}{r sin theta} frac{partial Phi}{partial phi} \
end{bmatrix}$$



Which will not give me the form for the Laplacian in spherical coordinates in my lecture notes or the internet. Where do I have it wrong?










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    This is a point in which the notation $nablacdot$ for the divergence is slightly misleading. Don't interpret it as a true scalar product, it is not, just a mnemonic.
    – Giuseppe Negro
    Nov 25 at 16:48












  • Well... that is indeed misleading. What am I supposed to do instead?
    – sangstar
    Nov 25 at 16:52










  • See youtube.com/watch?v=AOT719oYmt0 The issue is that when you take the derivatives of $hat r, hattheta, hat phi$, as opposed to the Cartesian case, those are not zero
    – Andrei
    Nov 25 at 16:53

















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Suppose $Phi$ is a function of $r, theta$ and $phi$. If I want to derive the Laplacian for this function, I would assume that..



$$nabla ^2 Phi = nabla cdot nabla Phi$$



And as, in spherical:



$$nabla = frac{partial}{partial r} hat r + frac{1}{r} frac{partial}{partial theta} hat theta + frac{1}{r sin theta} frac{partial}{partial phi} hat phi$$



Which implies



$$nabla Phi= frac{partial Phi}{partial r} hat r + frac{1}{r} frac{partial Phi}{partial theta} hat theta + frac{1}{r sin theta} frac{partial Phi}{partial phi} hat phi$$



Thus, the Laplacian would seem to me to be:



$$largebegin{bmatrix}
frac{partial}{partial r} \
frac{1}{r} frac{partial}{partial theta} \
frac{1}{r sin theta} frac{partial}{partial phi} \
end{bmatrix} cdot
begin{bmatrix}
frac{partial Phi}{partial r} \
frac{1}{r} frac{partial Phi}{partial theta} \
frac{1}{r sin theta} frac{partial Phi}{partial phi} \
end{bmatrix}$$



Which will not give me the form for the Laplacian in spherical coordinates in my lecture notes or the internet. Where do I have it wrong?










share|cite|improve this question




















  • 2




    This is a point in which the notation $nablacdot$ for the divergence is slightly misleading. Don't interpret it as a true scalar product, it is not, just a mnemonic.
    – Giuseppe Negro
    Nov 25 at 16:48












  • Well... that is indeed misleading. What am I supposed to do instead?
    – sangstar
    Nov 25 at 16:52










  • See youtube.com/watch?v=AOT719oYmt0 The issue is that when you take the derivatives of $hat r, hattheta, hat phi$, as opposed to the Cartesian case, those are not zero
    – Andrei
    Nov 25 at 16:53















up vote
5
down vote

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up vote
5
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Suppose $Phi$ is a function of $r, theta$ and $phi$. If I want to derive the Laplacian for this function, I would assume that..



$$nabla ^2 Phi = nabla cdot nabla Phi$$



And as, in spherical:



$$nabla = frac{partial}{partial r} hat r + frac{1}{r} frac{partial}{partial theta} hat theta + frac{1}{r sin theta} frac{partial}{partial phi} hat phi$$



Which implies



$$nabla Phi= frac{partial Phi}{partial r} hat r + frac{1}{r} frac{partial Phi}{partial theta} hat theta + frac{1}{r sin theta} frac{partial Phi}{partial phi} hat phi$$



Thus, the Laplacian would seem to me to be:



$$largebegin{bmatrix}
frac{partial}{partial r} \
frac{1}{r} frac{partial}{partial theta} \
frac{1}{r sin theta} frac{partial}{partial phi} \
end{bmatrix} cdot
begin{bmatrix}
frac{partial Phi}{partial r} \
frac{1}{r} frac{partial Phi}{partial theta} \
frac{1}{r sin theta} frac{partial Phi}{partial phi} \
end{bmatrix}$$



Which will not give me the form for the Laplacian in spherical coordinates in my lecture notes or the internet. Where do I have it wrong?










share|cite|improve this question















Suppose $Phi$ is a function of $r, theta$ and $phi$. If I want to derive the Laplacian for this function, I would assume that..



$$nabla ^2 Phi = nabla cdot nabla Phi$$



And as, in spherical:



$$nabla = frac{partial}{partial r} hat r + frac{1}{r} frac{partial}{partial theta} hat theta + frac{1}{r sin theta} frac{partial}{partial phi} hat phi$$



Which implies



$$nabla Phi= frac{partial Phi}{partial r} hat r + frac{1}{r} frac{partial Phi}{partial theta} hat theta + frac{1}{r sin theta} frac{partial Phi}{partial phi} hat phi$$



Thus, the Laplacian would seem to me to be:



$$largebegin{bmatrix}
frac{partial}{partial r} \
frac{1}{r} frac{partial}{partial theta} \
frac{1}{r sin theta} frac{partial}{partial phi} \
end{bmatrix} cdot
begin{bmatrix}
frac{partial Phi}{partial r} \
frac{1}{r} frac{partial Phi}{partial theta} \
frac{1}{r sin theta} frac{partial Phi}{partial phi} \
end{bmatrix}$$



Which will not give me the form for the Laplacian in spherical coordinates in my lecture notes or the internet. Where do I have it wrong?







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  • 2




    This is a point in which the notation $nablacdot$ for the divergence is slightly misleading. Don't interpret it as a true scalar product, it is not, just a mnemonic.
    – Giuseppe Negro
    Nov 25 at 16:48












  • Well... that is indeed misleading. What am I supposed to do instead?
    – sangstar
    Nov 25 at 16:52










  • See youtube.com/watch?v=AOT719oYmt0 The issue is that when you take the derivatives of $hat r, hattheta, hat phi$, as opposed to the Cartesian case, those are not zero
    – Andrei
    Nov 25 at 16:53
















  • 2




    This is a point in which the notation $nablacdot$ for the divergence is slightly misleading. Don't interpret it as a true scalar product, it is not, just a mnemonic.
    – Giuseppe Negro
    Nov 25 at 16:48












  • Well... that is indeed misleading. What am I supposed to do instead?
    – sangstar
    Nov 25 at 16:52










  • See youtube.com/watch?v=AOT719oYmt0 The issue is that when you take the derivatives of $hat r, hattheta, hat phi$, as opposed to the Cartesian case, those are not zero
    – Andrei
    Nov 25 at 16:53










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This is a point in which the notation $nablacdot$ for the divergence is slightly misleading. Don't interpret it as a true scalar product, it is not, just a mnemonic.
– Giuseppe Negro
Nov 25 at 16:48






This is a point in which the notation $nablacdot$ for the divergence is slightly misleading. Don't interpret it as a true scalar product, it is not, just a mnemonic.
– Giuseppe Negro
Nov 25 at 16:48














Well... that is indeed misleading. What am I supposed to do instead?
– sangstar
Nov 25 at 16:52




Well... that is indeed misleading. What am I supposed to do instead?
– sangstar
Nov 25 at 16:52












See youtube.com/watch?v=AOT719oYmt0 The issue is that when you take the derivatives of $hat r, hattheta, hat phi$, as opposed to the Cartesian case, those are not zero
– Andrei
Nov 25 at 16:53






See youtube.com/watch?v=AOT719oYmt0 The issue is that when you take the derivatives of $hat r, hattheta, hat phi$, as opposed to the Cartesian case, those are not zero
– Andrei
Nov 25 at 16:53












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The Laplacian is the divergence of the gradient. And the divergence in spherical coordinates is:
$$nablacdot mathbf A = {1 over r^2}{partial left( r^2 A_r right) over partial r}
+ {1 over rsintheta}{partial over partial theta} left( A_thetasintheta right)
+ {1 over rsintheta}{partial A_varphi over partial varphi}$$



Now substitute the $nablaPhi$ that you already have for $mathbf A$.



That leaves the question how we got that formula for the divergence. You can find the derivation here: Nabla in spherical coordinates. It explains it in terms of how divergence is defined.






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    The Laplacian is the divergence of the gradient. And the divergence in spherical coordinates is:
    $$nablacdot mathbf A = {1 over r^2}{partial left( r^2 A_r right) over partial r}
    + {1 over rsintheta}{partial over partial theta} left( A_thetasintheta right)
    + {1 over rsintheta}{partial A_varphi over partial varphi}$$



    Now substitute the $nablaPhi$ that you already have for $mathbf A$.



    That leaves the question how we got that formula for the divergence. You can find the derivation here: Nabla in spherical coordinates. It explains it in terms of how divergence is defined.






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      The Laplacian is the divergence of the gradient. And the divergence in spherical coordinates is:
      $$nablacdot mathbf A = {1 over r^2}{partial left( r^2 A_r right) over partial r}
      + {1 over rsintheta}{partial over partial theta} left( A_thetasintheta right)
      + {1 over rsintheta}{partial A_varphi over partial varphi}$$



      Now substitute the $nablaPhi$ that you already have for $mathbf A$.



      That leaves the question how we got that formula for the divergence. You can find the derivation here: Nabla in spherical coordinates. It explains it in terms of how divergence is defined.






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        The Laplacian is the divergence of the gradient. And the divergence in spherical coordinates is:
        $$nablacdot mathbf A = {1 over r^2}{partial left( r^2 A_r right) over partial r}
        + {1 over rsintheta}{partial over partial theta} left( A_thetasintheta right)
        + {1 over rsintheta}{partial A_varphi over partial varphi}$$



        Now substitute the $nablaPhi$ that you already have for $mathbf A$.



        That leaves the question how we got that formula for the divergence. You can find the derivation here: Nabla in spherical coordinates. It explains it in terms of how divergence is defined.






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        The Laplacian is the divergence of the gradient. And the divergence in spherical coordinates is:
        $$nablacdot mathbf A = {1 over r^2}{partial left( r^2 A_r right) over partial r}
        + {1 over rsintheta}{partial over partial theta} left( A_thetasintheta right)
        + {1 over rsintheta}{partial A_varphi over partial varphi}$$



        Now substitute the $nablaPhi$ that you already have for $mathbf A$.



        That leaves the question how we got that formula for the divergence. You can find the derivation here: Nabla in spherical coordinates. It explains it in terms of how divergence is defined.







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