Understanding the sequential definition of a limit, particularly as n approaches infinity











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I am trying to formally understand the sequential definition of a limit.



My focus, in particular, is when $x rightarrow ∞$ and when $limlimits_{x to ∞}{f(x)}=∞$.



"$delta - epsilon$" explanations will work as well, though I am trying to focus on the sequential aspect of it.



I borrowed the following definition from here.




Let $a∈R$, let $I$ be an open interval which contains $a$, and let $f$ be a real function defined everywhere on $I$ except possibly at $a$. Then $limlimits_{x to a}{f(x)}=L$
exists if and only if $f(x_n)→L$ as $n→∞$ for every sequence $x_n∈I$∖{$a$} which converges to $a$ as $n→∞$.




Is there a way to say this without using the "$∞$" symbol?



I interpret "$x rightarrow a$" to mean: "Every sequence, $x_n$, in $I-${$a$} that converges to $a$, as $n$ gets arbitrarily large."



The only thing I can come up with to say is: "There exists some $N$ in the natural numbers such that: For every $x_n, n>N$, $x_n$ converges to $a$." But i'm not sure if that's correct.



Also, I interpret "$x rightarrow ∞$" to mean: "Every sequence, $x_n$, in $I$ that diverges".



Next, what, exactly, does it mean when $L=∞, -∞,$ and $+∞$ respectively?



My interpretation is just that $f(x_n)$ diverges. Again, how would I say that more formally?



Any insights here would be greatly appreciated.










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  • In the sequential definition for limit of a function $f$, the positive integer $N$ will depend on the sequence ${x_n}_{n=1}^infty$, the function $f$, and $varepsilon>0$. So building upon the example in my answer, consider the limit at $0$ for each of the real functions $f_1:x mapsto x^2$ and $f_2:x mapsto frac{1}{x}$ using the same two sequences.
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I am trying to formally understand the sequential definition of a limit.



My focus, in particular, is when $x rightarrow ∞$ and when $limlimits_{x to ∞}{f(x)}=∞$.



"$delta - epsilon$" explanations will work as well, though I am trying to focus on the sequential aspect of it.



I borrowed the following definition from here.




Let $a∈R$, let $I$ be an open interval which contains $a$, and let $f$ be a real function defined everywhere on $I$ except possibly at $a$. Then $limlimits_{x to a}{f(x)}=L$
exists if and only if $f(x_n)→L$ as $n→∞$ for every sequence $x_n∈I$∖{$a$} which converges to $a$ as $n→∞$.




Is there a way to say this without using the "$∞$" symbol?



I interpret "$x rightarrow a$" to mean: "Every sequence, $x_n$, in $I-${$a$} that converges to $a$, as $n$ gets arbitrarily large."



The only thing I can come up with to say is: "There exists some $N$ in the natural numbers such that: For every $x_n, n>N$, $x_n$ converges to $a$." But i'm not sure if that's correct.



Also, I interpret "$x rightarrow ∞$" to mean: "Every sequence, $x_n$, in $I$ that diverges".



Next, what, exactly, does it mean when $L=∞, -∞,$ and $+∞$ respectively?



My interpretation is just that $f(x_n)$ diverges. Again, how would I say that more formally?



Any insights here would be greatly appreciated.










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  • In the sequential definition for limit of a function $f$, the positive integer $N$ will depend on the sequence ${x_n}_{n=1}^infty$, the function $f$, and $varepsilon>0$. So building upon the example in my answer, consider the limit at $0$ for each of the real functions $f_1:x mapsto x^2$ and $f_2:x mapsto frac{1}{x}$ using the same two sequences.
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I am trying to formally understand the sequential definition of a limit.



My focus, in particular, is when $x rightarrow ∞$ and when $limlimits_{x to ∞}{f(x)}=∞$.



"$delta - epsilon$" explanations will work as well, though I am trying to focus on the sequential aspect of it.



I borrowed the following definition from here.




Let $a∈R$, let $I$ be an open interval which contains $a$, and let $f$ be a real function defined everywhere on $I$ except possibly at $a$. Then $limlimits_{x to a}{f(x)}=L$
exists if and only if $f(x_n)→L$ as $n→∞$ for every sequence $x_n∈I$∖{$a$} which converges to $a$ as $n→∞$.




Is there a way to say this without using the "$∞$" symbol?



I interpret "$x rightarrow a$" to mean: "Every sequence, $x_n$, in $I-${$a$} that converges to $a$, as $n$ gets arbitrarily large."



The only thing I can come up with to say is: "There exists some $N$ in the natural numbers such that: For every $x_n, n>N$, $x_n$ converges to $a$." But i'm not sure if that's correct.



Also, I interpret "$x rightarrow ∞$" to mean: "Every sequence, $x_n$, in $I$ that diverges".



Next, what, exactly, does it mean when $L=∞, -∞,$ and $+∞$ respectively?



My interpretation is just that $f(x_n)$ diverges. Again, how would I say that more formally?



Any insights here would be greatly appreciated.










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I am trying to formally understand the sequential definition of a limit.



My focus, in particular, is when $x rightarrow ∞$ and when $limlimits_{x to ∞}{f(x)}=∞$.



"$delta - epsilon$" explanations will work as well, though I am trying to focus on the sequential aspect of it.



I borrowed the following definition from here.




Let $a∈R$, let $I$ be an open interval which contains $a$, and let $f$ be a real function defined everywhere on $I$ except possibly at $a$. Then $limlimits_{x to a}{f(x)}=L$
exists if and only if $f(x_n)→L$ as $n→∞$ for every sequence $x_n∈I$∖{$a$} which converges to $a$ as $n→∞$.




Is there a way to say this without using the "$∞$" symbol?



I interpret "$x rightarrow a$" to mean: "Every sequence, $x_n$, in $I-${$a$} that converges to $a$, as $n$ gets arbitrarily large."



The only thing I can come up with to say is: "There exists some $N$ in the natural numbers such that: For every $x_n, n>N$, $x_n$ converges to $a$." But i'm not sure if that's correct.



Also, I interpret "$x rightarrow ∞$" to mean: "Every sequence, $x_n$, in $I$ that diverges".



Next, what, exactly, does it mean when $L=∞, -∞,$ and $+∞$ respectively?



My interpretation is just that $f(x_n)$ diverges. Again, how would I say that more formally?



Any insights here would be greatly appreciated.







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  • In the sequential definition for limit of a function $f$, the positive integer $N$ will depend on the sequence ${x_n}_{n=1}^infty$, the function $f$, and $varepsilon>0$. So building upon the example in my answer, consider the limit at $0$ for each of the real functions $f_1:x mapsto x^2$ and $f_2:x mapsto frac{1}{x}$ using the same two sequences.
    – Matt A Pelto
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  • In the sequential definition for limit of a function $f$, the positive integer $N$ will depend on the sequence ${x_n}_{n=1}^infty$, the function $f$, and $varepsilon>0$. So building upon the example in my answer, consider the limit at $0$ for each of the real functions $f_1:x mapsto x^2$ and $f_2:x mapsto frac{1}{x}$ using the same two sequences.
    – Matt A Pelto
    Mar 9 at 4:21


















In the sequential definition for limit of a function $f$, the positive integer $N$ will depend on the sequence ${x_n}_{n=1}^infty$, the function $f$, and $varepsilon>0$. So building upon the example in my answer, consider the limit at $0$ for each of the real functions $f_1:x mapsto x^2$ and $f_2:x mapsto frac{1}{x}$ using the same two sequences.
– Matt A Pelto
Mar 9 at 4:21






In the sequential definition for limit of a function $f$, the positive integer $N$ will depend on the sequence ${x_n}_{n=1}^infty$, the function $f$, and $varepsilon>0$. So building upon the example in my answer, consider the limit at $0$ for each of the real functions $f_1:x mapsto x^2$ and $f_2:x mapsto frac{1}{x}$ using the same two sequences.
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A sequence of real numbers ${x_n}_{n=1}^infty$ converges if there is $a in mathbb{R}$ satisfying: for every $varepsilon>0$ there exists a positive integer $N$ such that $|x_n-a|<varepsilon$ whenever $n geq N$. In the case defined above we say that ${x_n}_{n=1}^infty$ converges to $a$ and we may write $x_n to a$ as $n to infty$.



It is important to notice that the positive integer $N$ mentioned in the definition above will depend both on $varepsilon>0$ and the sequence ${x_n}_{n=1}^infty$. In example; The sequences $big{frac{1}{n}big}_{n=1}^infty$ and $big{-frac{1}{3n}big}_{n=1}^infty$ both converge to $0$. For each sequence, can you find positive integers $N_1$ and $N_2$ such that the definition of convergence is satisfied given $varepsilon_1=frac{1}{10}$ and $varepsilon_2=frac{1}{100}$?





A function $f$ becomes infinite as $x to a$ if for every $M>0$ there exists $delta>0$ such that $|f(x)|>M$ whenever $0<|x-a|<delta$. For this limit we may write $f(x) to infty$ as $x to a$.






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    Just a quick formal focus on one of the OP's questions:



    Definition: A sequence $(x_n)_{n in mathbb N}$ of numbers in $mathbb R$ is said to approach $+∞$ if for every $B in mathbb R$ the set ${m in mathbb N ; | ; x_m le B }$ is finite.



    We also say that the limit of such a sequence is $+∞$ and write $limlimits_{n to +∞} x_n = +∞$ to express this.



    Definition: Let $I$ be an open interval of the form $(s,+∞) subset mathbb R$ and let $f$ be a real function defined everywhere on $I$. Then we say that $f$ approaches $+∞$ as $x$ approaches $+∞$, writing



    $tag 1 limlimits_{x to ∞}{f(x)}= +∞$



    to mean that for every sequence $(x_n)_{n in mathbb N}$ that approaches $+∞$, if the terms $x_n$ all belong to the set $(s,+∞)$, then the corresponding sequence $(f(x_n))_{n in mathbb N}$ also approaches $+∞$.



    Proposition: The statement $limlimits_{x to ∞}{f(x)}= +∞$ is equivalent to saying that for every $B in mathbb R$ there exist $k in mathbb R$ with $(k,+∞)$ in the domain of $f$ and the image $f[,(k,+∞),]$ contained in the interval $(B,+∞)$.



    Calculus students certainly know, intuitively, how to graph many functions 'out at $+∞$', but these are some formal definitions.






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      $a_n$ -> a as n -> oo is defined as for all open U.

      if a in U, then $(a_n)$ is eventually in U.



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        A sequence of real numbers ${x_n}_{n=1}^infty$ converges if there is $a in mathbb{R}$ satisfying: for every $varepsilon>0$ there exists a positive integer $N$ such that $|x_n-a|<varepsilon$ whenever $n geq N$. In the case defined above we say that ${x_n}_{n=1}^infty$ converges to $a$ and we may write $x_n to a$ as $n to infty$.



        It is important to notice that the positive integer $N$ mentioned in the definition above will depend both on $varepsilon>0$ and the sequence ${x_n}_{n=1}^infty$. In example; The sequences $big{frac{1}{n}big}_{n=1}^infty$ and $big{-frac{1}{3n}big}_{n=1}^infty$ both converge to $0$. For each sequence, can you find positive integers $N_1$ and $N_2$ such that the definition of convergence is satisfied given $varepsilon_1=frac{1}{10}$ and $varepsilon_2=frac{1}{100}$?





        A function $f$ becomes infinite as $x to a$ if for every $M>0$ there exists $delta>0$ such that $|f(x)|>M$ whenever $0<|x-a|<delta$. For this limit we may write $f(x) to infty$ as $x to a$.






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          A sequence of real numbers ${x_n}_{n=1}^infty$ converges if there is $a in mathbb{R}$ satisfying: for every $varepsilon>0$ there exists a positive integer $N$ such that $|x_n-a|<varepsilon$ whenever $n geq N$. In the case defined above we say that ${x_n}_{n=1}^infty$ converges to $a$ and we may write $x_n to a$ as $n to infty$.



          It is important to notice that the positive integer $N$ mentioned in the definition above will depend both on $varepsilon>0$ and the sequence ${x_n}_{n=1}^infty$. In example; The sequences $big{frac{1}{n}big}_{n=1}^infty$ and $big{-frac{1}{3n}big}_{n=1}^infty$ both converge to $0$. For each sequence, can you find positive integers $N_1$ and $N_2$ such that the definition of convergence is satisfied given $varepsilon_1=frac{1}{10}$ and $varepsilon_2=frac{1}{100}$?





          A function $f$ becomes infinite as $x to a$ if for every $M>0$ there exists $delta>0$ such that $|f(x)|>M$ whenever $0<|x-a|<delta$. For this limit we may write $f(x) to infty$ as $x to a$.






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            A sequence of real numbers ${x_n}_{n=1}^infty$ converges if there is $a in mathbb{R}$ satisfying: for every $varepsilon>0$ there exists a positive integer $N$ such that $|x_n-a|<varepsilon$ whenever $n geq N$. In the case defined above we say that ${x_n}_{n=1}^infty$ converges to $a$ and we may write $x_n to a$ as $n to infty$.



            It is important to notice that the positive integer $N$ mentioned in the definition above will depend both on $varepsilon>0$ and the sequence ${x_n}_{n=1}^infty$. In example; The sequences $big{frac{1}{n}big}_{n=1}^infty$ and $big{-frac{1}{3n}big}_{n=1}^infty$ both converge to $0$. For each sequence, can you find positive integers $N_1$ and $N_2$ such that the definition of convergence is satisfied given $varepsilon_1=frac{1}{10}$ and $varepsilon_2=frac{1}{100}$?





            A function $f$ becomes infinite as $x to a$ if for every $M>0$ there exists $delta>0$ such that $|f(x)|>M$ whenever $0<|x-a|<delta$. For this limit we may write $f(x) to infty$ as $x to a$.






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            A sequence of real numbers ${x_n}_{n=1}^infty$ converges if there is $a in mathbb{R}$ satisfying: for every $varepsilon>0$ there exists a positive integer $N$ such that $|x_n-a|<varepsilon$ whenever $n geq N$. In the case defined above we say that ${x_n}_{n=1}^infty$ converges to $a$ and we may write $x_n to a$ as $n to infty$.



            It is important to notice that the positive integer $N$ mentioned in the definition above will depend both on $varepsilon>0$ and the sequence ${x_n}_{n=1}^infty$. In example; The sequences $big{frac{1}{n}big}_{n=1}^infty$ and $big{-frac{1}{3n}big}_{n=1}^infty$ both converge to $0$. For each sequence, can you find positive integers $N_1$ and $N_2$ such that the definition of convergence is satisfied given $varepsilon_1=frac{1}{10}$ and $varepsilon_2=frac{1}{100}$?





            A function $f$ becomes infinite as $x to a$ if for every $M>0$ there exists $delta>0$ such that $|f(x)|>M$ whenever $0<|x-a|<delta$. For this limit we may write $f(x) to infty$ as $x to a$.







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                Just a quick formal focus on one of the OP's questions:



                Definition: A sequence $(x_n)_{n in mathbb N}$ of numbers in $mathbb R$ is said to approach $+∞$ if for every $B in mathbb R$ the set ${m in mathbb N ; | ; x_m le B }$ is finite.



                We also say that the limit of such a sequence is $+∞$ and write $limlimits_{n to +∞} x_n = +∞$ to express this.



                Definition: Let $I$ be an open interval of the form $(s,+∞) subset mathbb R$ and let $f$ be a real function defined everywhere on $I$. Then we say that $f$ approaches $+∞$ as $x$ approaches $+∞$, writing



                $tag 1 limlimits_{x to ∞}{f(x)}= +∞$



                to mean that for every sequence $(x_n)_{n in mathbb N}$ that approaches $+∞$, if the terms $x_n$ all belong to the set $(s,+∞)$, then the corresponding sequence $(f(x_n))_{n in mathbb N}$ also approaches $+∞$.



                Proposition: The statement $limlimits_{x to ∞}{f(x)}= +∞$ is equivalent to saying that for every $B in mathbb R$ there exist $k in mathbb R$ with $(k,+∞)$ in the domain of $f$ and the image $f[,(k,+∞),]$ contained in the interval $(B,+∞)$.



                Calculus students certainly know, intuitively, how to graph many functions 'out at $+∞$', but these are some formal definitions.






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                  Just a quick formal focus on one of the OP's questions:



                  Definition: A sequence $(x_n)_{n in mathbb N}$ of numbers in $mathbb R$ is said to approach $+∞$ if for every $B in mathbb R$ the set ${m in mathbb N ; | ; x_m le B }$ is finite.



                  We also say that the limit of such a sequence is $+∞$ and write $limlimits_{n to +∞} x_n = +∞$ to express this.



                  Definition: Let $I$ be an open interval of the form $(s,+∞) subset mathbb R$ and let $f$ be a real function defined everywhere on $I$. Then we say that $f$ approaches $+∞$ as $x$ approaches $+∞$, writing



                  $tag 1 limlimits_{x to ∞}{f(x)}= +∞$



                  to mean that for every sequence $(x_n)_{n in mathbb N}$ that approaches $+∞$, if the terms $x_n$ all belong to the set $(s,+∞)$, then the corresponding sequence $(f(x_n))_{n in mathbb N}$ also approaches $+∞$.



                  Proposition: The statement $limlimits_{x to ∞}{f(x)}= +∞$ is equivalent to saying that for every $B in mathbb R$ there exist $k in mathbb R$ with $(k,+∞)$ in the domain of $f$ and the image $f[,(k,+∞),]$ contained in the interval $(B,+∞)$.



                  Calculus students certainly know, intuitively, how to graph many functions 'out at $+∞$', but these are some formal definitions.






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                    Just a quick formal focus on one of the OP's questions:



                    Definition: A sequence $(x_n)_{n in mathbb N}$ of numbers in $mathbb R$ is said to approach $+∞$ if for every $B in mathbb R$ the set ${m in mathbb N ; | ; x_m le B }$ is finite.



                    We also say that the limit of such a sequence is $+∞$ and write $limlimits_{n to +∞} x_n = +∞$ to express this.



                    Definition: Let $I$ be an open interval of the form $(s,+∞) subset mathbb R$ and let $f$ be a real function defined everywhere on $I$. Then we say that $f$ approaches $+∞$ as $x$ approaches $+∞$, writing



                    $tag 1 limlimits_{x to ∞}{f(x)}= +∞$



                    to mean that for every sequence $(x_n)_{n in mathbb N}$ that approaches $+∞$, if the terms $x_n$ all belong to the set $(s,+∞)$, then the corresponding sequence $(f(x_n))_{n in mathbb N}$ also approaches $+∞$.



                    Proposition: The statement $limlimits_{x to ∞}{f(x)}= +∞$ is equivalent to saying that for every $B in mathbb R$ there exist $k in mathbb R$ with $(k,+∞)$ in the domain of $f$ and the image $f[,(k,+∞),]$ contained in the interval $(B,+∞)$.



                    Calculus students certainly know, intuitively, how to graph many functions 'out at $+∞$', but these are some formal definitions.






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                    Just a quick formal focus on one of the OP's questions:



                    Definition: A sequence $(x_n)_{n in mathbb N}$ of numbers in $mathbb R$ is said to approach $+∞$ if for every $B in mathbb R$ the set ${m in mathbb N ; | ; x_m le B }$ is finite.



                    We also say that the limit of such a sequence is $+∞$ and write $limlimits_{n to +∞} x_n = +∞$ to express this.



                    Definition: Let $I$ be an open interval of the form $(s,+∞) subset mathbb R$ and let $f$ be a real function defined everywhere on $I$. Then we say that $f$ approaches $+∞$ as $x$ approaches $+∞$, writing



                    $tag 1 limlimits_{x to ∞}{f(x)}= +∞$



                    to mean that for every sequence $(x_n)_{n in mathbb N}$ that approaches $+∞$, if the terms $x_n$ all belong to the set $(s,+∞)$, then the corresponding sequence $(f(x_n))_{n in mathbb N}$ also approaches $+∞$.



                    Proposition: The statement $limlimits_{x to ∞}{f(x)}= +∞$ is equivalent to saying that for every $B in mathbb R$ there exist $k in mathbb R$ with $(k,+∞)$ in the domain of $f$ and the image $f[,(k,+∞),]$ contained in the interval $(B,+∞)$.



                    Calculus students certainly know, intuitively, how to graph many functions 'out at $+∞$', but these are some formal definitions.







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                        $a_n$ -> a as n -> oo is defined as for all open U.

                        if a in U, then $(a_n)$ is eventually in U.



                        $(a_n)$ is eventually in U when there is some

                        integer n with for all j > n, $a_j$ is in U.






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                          $a_n$ -> a as n -> oo is defined as for all open U.

                          if a in U, then $(a_n)$ is eventually in U.



                          $(a_n)$ is eventually in U when there is some

                          integer n with for all j > n, $a_j$ is in U.






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                            $a_n$ -> a as n -> oo is defined as for all open U.

                            if a in U, then $(a_n)$ is eventually in U.



                            $(a_n)$ is eventually in U when there is some

                            integer n with for all j > n, $a_j$ is in U.






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                            $a_n$ -> a as n -> oo is defined as for all open U.

                            if a in U, then $(a_n)$ is eventually in U.



                            $(a_n)$ is eventually in U when there is some

                            integer n with for all j > n, $a_j$ is in U.







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