If derivative of $f$ is continuous, then $f$ is continuous.
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I have searched a lot, but i haven't found any proof about that statement. I have checked the proof of
If $f$ is differentiable, then $f$ is continuous
but it's not the same argument I think. Also, I want to know what's your opinion about the statement
If derivative of $f$ is not continuous, then $f$ is not continuous
calculus derivatives continuity
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I have searched a lot, but i haven't found any proof about that statement. I have checked the proof of
If $f$ is differentiable, then $f$ is continuous
but it's not the same argument I think. Also, I want to know what's your opinion about the statement
If derivative of $f$ is not continuous, then $f$ is not continuous
calculus derivatives continuity
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Continuous at R or at domain of a function ?
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– Юрій Ярош
Apr 17 '18 at 11:35
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1. Continuous at R 2. Continuous at a spesific point x0.
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Apr 17 '18 at 11:39
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"what's your opinion ..." Math isn't about opinions.
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"If a car is red, then it is a vehicle."
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– Eric Duminil
Apr 18 '18 at 8:04
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@JohnColeman It is not about, however there is room for them. How about open problems?
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I have searched a lot, but i haven't found any proof about that statement. I have checked the proof of
If $f$ is differentiable, then $f$ is continuous
but it's not the same argument I think. Also, I want to know what's your opinion about the statement
If derivative of $f$ is not continuous, then $f$ is not continuous
calculus derivatives continuity
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I have searched a lot, but i haven't found any proof about that statement. I have checked the proof of
If $f$ is differentiable, then $f$ is continuous
but it's not the same argument I think. Also, I want to know what's your opinion about the statement
If derivative of $f$ is not continuous, then $f$ is not continuous
calculus derivatives continuity
calculus derivatives continuity
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Continuous at R or at domain of a function ?
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– Юрій Ярош
Apr 17 '18 at 11:35
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1. Continuous at R 2. Continuous at a spesific point x0.
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– Alex Spanos
Apr 17 '18 at 11:39
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"what's your opinion ..." Math isn't about opinions.
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– John Coleman
Apr 17 '18 at 13:30
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"If a car is red, then it is a vehicle."
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– Eric Duminil
Apr 18 '18 at 8:04
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@JohnColeman It is not about, however there is room for them. How about open problems?
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– TStancek
Apr 18 '18 at 9:32
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Continuous at R or at domain of a function ?
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– Юрій Ярош
Apr 17 '18 at 11:35
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1. Continuous at R 2. Continuous at a spesific point x0.
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– Alex Spanos
Apr 17 '18 at 11:39
13
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"what's your opinion ..." Math isn't about opinions.
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– John Coleman
Apr 17 '18 at 13:30
4
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"If a car is red, then it is a vehicle."
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– Eric Duminil
Apr 18 '18 at 8:04
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@JohnColeman It is not about, however there is room for them. How about open problems?
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– TStancek
Apr 18 '18 at 9:32
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1
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Continuous at R or at domain of a function ?
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– Юрій Ярош
Apr 17 '18 at 11:35
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Continuous at R or at domain of a function ?
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– Юрій Ярош
Apr 17 '18 at 11:35
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1. Continuous at R 2. Continuous at a spesific point x0.
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– Alex Spanos
Apr 17 '18 at 11:39
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1. Continuous at R 2. Continuous at a spesific point x0.
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– Alex Spanos
Apr 17 '18 at 11:39
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13
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"what's your opinion ..." Math isn't about opinions.
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– John Coleman
Apr 17 '18 at 13:30
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"what's your opinion ..." Math isn't about opinions.
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– John Coleman
Apr 17 '18 at 13:30
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4
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"If a car is red, then it is a vehicle."
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– Eric Duminil
Apr 18 '18 at 8:04
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"If a car is red, then it is a vehicle."
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– Eric Duminil
Apr 18 '18 at 8:04
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@JohnColeman It is not about, however there is room for them. How about open problems?
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– TStancek
Apr 18 '18 at 9:32
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@JohnColeman It is not about, however there is room for them. How about open problems?
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If $f$ is differentiable, then $f$ is continuous. The continuity of $f'$ is irrelevant here.
In particular, even if $f'$ is discontinuous, $f$ is continuous.
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Note: the abovewritten is true if we're not taking generalized functions into account
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Your problem seems to be the logical relationships between the statements
If f is differentiable, then it is continuous- If the derivative of $f$ is continuous, then $f$ is continuous
If the derivative of $f$ is not continuous, then $f$ is not continous.
The first statement trivially implies the second, since saying "the derivative of $f$ is continuous" is the same as saying "$f$ is differentiable and $f^{prime}$ is continuous".
The contrapositive of the third statement is "If $f$ is continuous, then the derivative of $f$ is continuous." This is false. For example, the function
$$f(x)=x^2sinleft(frac{1}{x}right)$$
is differentiable everywhere, with derivative
$$f^{prime}(x)=left{begin{array}{ll}
2xsinleft(frac{1}{x}right)-cosleft(frac{1}{x}right)& xneq 0
\
0 & x=0
end{array}right.$$
But $lim_{xto 0}f^{prime}(x)$ does not exist, hence $f^{prime}$ is not continuous.
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$f'$ need not be continuous.
Suppose that $f'(x)$ exists in the interval $(a,b)$. If $xi in (a,b)$, then $f'(xi)$ exists. Hence $f$ is continuous at $xi$. Since this is true for all $xi$ in $(a,b)$, then $f$ is continuous on $(a,b)$.
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Sorry. It should have said $f'$ need not be continuous.
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– steven gregory
Apr 17 '18 at 17:24
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Answering only part of the question: "If derivative of f is not continuous, then f is not continuous": As perhaps the simplest counter-example, the absolute value function is continuous but not continuously differentiable.
This does not disprove the opposite statement, of course.
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If $f$ is differentiable, then $f$ is continuous. The continuity of $f'$ is irrelevant here.
In particular, even if $f'$ is discontinuous, $f$ is continuous.
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Note: the abovewritten is true if we're not taking generalized functions into account
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– Dmitry Ginzburg
Apr 17 '18 at 14:09
add a comment |
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If $f$ is differentiable, then $f$ is continuous. The continuity of $f'$ is irrelevant here.
In particular, even if $f'$ is discontinuous, $f$ is continuous.
$endgroup$
4
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Note: the abovewritten is true if we're not taking generalized functions into account
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– Dmitry Ginzburg
Apr 17 '18 at 14:09
add a comment |
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If $f$ is differentiable, then $f$ is continuous. The continuity of $f'$ is irrelevant here.
In particular, even if $f'$ is discontinuous, $f$ is continuous.
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If $f$ is differentiable, then $f$ is continuous. The continuity of $f'$ is irrelevant here.
In particular, even if $f'$ is discontinuous, $f$ is continuous.
answered Apr 17 '18 at 11:32
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Note: the abovewritten is true if we're not taking generalized functions into account
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Note: the abovewritten is true if we're not taking generalized functions into account
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– Dmitry Ginzburg
Apr 17 '18 at 14:09
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Note: the abovewritten is true if we're not taking generalized functions into account
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Your problem seems to be the logical relationships between the statements
If f is differentiable, then it is continuous- If the derivative of $f$ is continuous, then $f$ is continuous
If the derivative of $f$ is not continuous, then $f$ is not continous.
The first statement trivially implies the second, since saying "the derivative of $f$ is continuous" is the same as saying "$f$ is differentiable and $f^{prime}$ is continuous".
The contrapositive of the third statement is "If $f$ is continuous, then the derivative of $f$ is continuous." This is false. For example, the function
$$f(x)=x^2sinleft(frac{1}{x}right)$$
is differentiable everywhere, with derivative
$$f^{prime}(x)=left{begin{array}{ll}
2xsinleft(frac{1}{x}right)-cosleft(frac{1}{x}right)& xneq 0
\
0 & x=0
end{array}right.$$
But $lim_{xto 0}f^{prime}(x)$ does not exist, hence $f^{prime}$ is not continuous.
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Your problem seems to be the logical relationships between the statements
If f is differentiable, then it is continuous- If the derivative of $f$ is continuous, then $f$ is continuous
If the derivative of $f$ is not continuous, then $f$ is not continous.
The first statement trivially implies the second, since saying "the derivative of $f$ is continuous" is the same as saying "$f$ is differentiable and $f^{prime}$ is continuous".
The contrapositive of the third statement is "If $f$ is continuous, then the derivative of $f$ is continuous." This is false. For example, the function
$$f(x)=x^2sinleft(frac{1}{x}right)$$
is differentiable everywhere, with derivative
$$f^{prime}(x)=left{begin{array}{ll}
2xsinleft(frac{1}{x}right)-cosleft(frac{1}{x}right)& xneq 0
\
0 & x=0
end{array}right.$$
But $lim_{xto 0}f^{prime}(x)$ does not exist, hence $f^{prime}$ is not continuous.
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Your problem seems to be the logical relationships between the statements
If f is differentiable, then it is continuous- If the derivative of $f$ is continuous, then $f$ is continuous
If the derivative of $f$ is not continuous, then $f$ is not continous.
The first statement trivially implies the second, since saying "the derivative of $f$ is continuous" is the same as saying "$f$ is differentiable and $f^{prime}$ is continuous".
The contrapositive of the third statement is "If $f$ is continuous, then the derivative of $f$ is continuous." This is false. For example, the function
$$f(x)=x^2sinleft(frac{1}{x}right)$$
is differentiable everywhere, with derivative
$$f^{prime}(x)=left{begin{array}{ll}
2xsinleft(frac{1}{x}right)-cosleft(frac{1}{x}right)& xneq 0
\
0 & x=0
end{array}right.$$
But $lim_{xto 0}f^{prime}(x)$ does not exist, hence $f^{prime}$ is not continuous.
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Your problem seems to be the logical relationships between the statements
If f is differentiable, then it is continuous- If the derivative of $f$ is continuous, then $f$ is continuous
If the derivative of $f$ is not continuous, then $f$ is not continous.
The first statement trivially implies the second, since saying "the derivative of $f$ is continuous" is the same as saying "$f$ is differentiable and $f^{prime}$ is continuous".
The contrapositive of the third statement is "If $f$ is continuous, then the derivative of $f$ is continuous." This is false. For example, the function
$$f(x)=x^2sinleft(frac{1}{x}right)$$
is differentiable everywhere, with derivative
$$f^{prime}(x)=left{begin{array}{ll}
2xsinleft(frac{1}{x}right)-cosleft(frac{1}{x}right)& xneq 0
\
0 & x=0
end{array}right.$$
But $lim_{xto 0}f^{prime}(x)$ does not exist, hence $f^{prime}$ is not continuous.
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$f'$ need not be continuous.
Suppose that $f'(x)$ exists in the interval $(a,b)$. If $xi in (a,b)$, then $f'(xi)$ exists. Hence $f$ is continuous at $xi$. Since this is true for all $xi$ in $(a,b)$, then $f$ is continuous on $(a,b)$.
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Sorry. It should have said $f'$ need not be continuous.
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– steven gregory
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$f'$ need not be continuous.
Suppose that $f'(x)$ exists in the interval $(a,b)$. If $xi in (a,b)$, then $f'(xi)$ exists. Hence $f$ is continuous at $xi$. Since this is true for all $xi$ in $(a,b)$, then $f$ is continuous on $(a,b)$.
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Sorry. It should have said $f'$ need not be continuous.
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– steven gregory
Apr 17 '18 at 17:24
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$f'$ need not be continuous.
Suppose that $f'(x)$ exists in the interval $(a,b)$. If $xi in (a,b)$, then $f'(xi)$ exists. Hence $f$ is continuous at $xi$. Since this is true for all $xi$ in $(a,b)$, then $f$ is continuous on $(a,b)$.
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$f'$ need not be continuous.
Suppose that $f'(x)$ exists in the interval $(a,b)$. If $xi in (a,b)$, then $f'(xi)$ exists. Hence $f$ is continuous at $xi$. Since this is true for all $xi$ in $(a,b)$, then $f$ is continuous on $(a,b)$.
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Sorry. It should have said $f'$ need not be continuous.
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Sorry. It should have said $f'$ need not be continuous.
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– steven gregory
Apr 17 '18 at 17:24
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Sorry. It should have said $f'$ need not be continuous.
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– steven gregory
Apr 17 '18 at 17:24
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Sorry. It should have said $f'$ need not be continuous.
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Apr 17 '18 at 17:24
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Answering only part of the question: "If derivative of f is not continuous, then f is not continuous": As perhaps the simplest counter-example, the absolute value function is continuous but not continuously differentiable.
This does not disprove the opposite statement, of course.
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Answering only part of the question: "If derivative of f is not continuous, then f is not continuous": As perhaps the simplest counter-example, the absolute value function is continuous but not continuously differentiable.
This does not disprove the opposite statement, of course.
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Answering only part of the question: "If derivative of f is not continuous, then f is not continuous": As perhaps the simplest counter-example, the absolute value function is continuous but not continuously differentiable.
This does not disprove the opposite statement, of course.
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Answering only part of the question: "If derivative of f is not continuous, then f is not continuous": As perhaps the simplest counter-example, the absolute value function is continuous but not continuously differentiable.
This does not disprove the opposite statement, of course.
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Continuous at R or at domain of a function ?
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– Юрій Ярош
Apr 17 '18 at 11:35
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1. Continuous at R 2. Continuous at a spesific point x0.
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– Alex Spanos
Apr 17 '18 at 11:39
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"what's your opinion ..." Math isn't about opinions.
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"If a car is red, then it is a vehicle."
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@JohnColeman It is not about, however there is room for them. How about open problems?
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