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For the surface $sigma(u,v)= (frac{cos v}{cosh u}, frac{sin v}{cosh u}, tanh u)$, compute the geodesic curvature and the normal curvature of:



(i) a meridian $v$ = constant,



(ii) a parallel $u$ = constant.



Which of these curves are geodesics?




I know that a meridian is a geodesic and its geodesic curvature $kappa_g = 0$.



From the textbook, the normal curvature $kappa_n = gamma''·N$ and the geodesic curvature $kappa_g = gamma'' · (N times gamma')$, where $N$ is the unit normal of the surface, and $gamma$ is a unit-speed curve in $mathbb{R}^3$.



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    For the surface $sigma(u,v)= (frac{cos v}{cosh u}, frac{sin v}{cosh u}, tanh u)$, compute the geodesic curvature and the normal curvature of:



    (i) a meridian $v$ = constant,



    (ii) a parallel $u$ = constant.



    Which of these curves are geodesics?




    I know that a meridian is a geodesic and its geodesic curvature $kappa_g = 0$.



    From the textbook, the normal curvature $kappa_n = gamma''·N$ and the geodesic curvature $kappa_g = gamma'' · (N times gamma')$, where $N$ is the unit normal of the surface, and $gamma$ is a unit-speed curve in $mathbb{R}^3$.



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      For the surface $sigma(u,v)= (frac{cos v}{cosh u}, frac{sin v}{cosh u}, tanh u)$, compute the geodesic curvature and the normal curvature of:



      (i) a meridian $v$ = constant,



      (ii) a parallel $u$ = constant.



      Which of these curves are geodesics?




      I know that a meridian is a geodesic and its geodesic curvature $kappa_g = 0$.



      From the textbook, the normal curvature $kappa_n = gamma''·N$ and the geodesic curvature $kappa_g = gamma'' · (N times gamma')$, where $N$ is the unit normal of the surface, and $gamma$ is a unit-speed curve in $mathbb{R}^3$.



      How can I find the $gamma$ in the formula? Thanks!










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      For the surface $sigma(u,v)= (frac{cos v}{cosh u}, frac{sin v}{cosh u}, tanh u)$, compute the geodesic curvature and the normal curvature of:



      (i) a meridian $v$ = constant,



      (ii) a parallel $u$ = constant.



      Which of these curves are geodesics?




      I know that a meridian is a geodesic and its geodesic curvature $kappa_g = 0$.



      From the textbook, the normal curvature $kappa_n = gamma''·N$ and the geodesic curvature $kappa_g = gamma'' · (N times gamma')$, where $N$ is the unit normal of the surface, and $gamma$ is a unit-speed curve in $mathbb{R}^3$.



      How can I find the $gamma$ in the formula? Thanks!







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          By keeping $u$ or $v$ constant in the parametrisation $sigma$ of the surface and keeping the other parameter "variable", you obtain the parametrisation of the coordinate lines.



          For instance, to parametrise a meridian, keeping $v$ constant gives
          $$
          gamma(t) = sigma(t, v_0) = left(frac{cos v_0}{cosh t}, frac{sin v_0}{cosh t}, tanh tright).
          $$



          In the same way, if you keep $u$ fixed and let the other parameter of $sigma$ be the variable of the curve, you get parametrisations of the parallels.






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            Normal and geodesic curvature of curves on a surface can be computed using the following formulae:
            begin{equation}
            k_n=frac{q}{s'^2} \
            k_g=frac{p}{s'^3}
            end{equation}

            where
            begin{equation}
            q=L_{11} u'^2+2 u' v' L_{12}+v'^2 L_{22} \
            p=left[Gamma_{11}^2 u'^3+(Gamma_{22}^2-2 Gamma_{12}^1) u' v'^2+(u' v''-u'' v')+(2 Gamma_{12}^2-Gamma_{11}^1)u'^2v'-Gamma_{22}^1 v'^3right] sqrt{Det(g)}
            end{equation}

            where $Gamma_{jk}^i$ are the Christoffel symbols of the second kind, $L_{ij}$ the coefficient of the second fundamental form and g the first fundamental form. Independently of the case u=const or v=const, the product $u' v'$ are zero since or v is constant or u is constant. Thus, the above expressions reduce to:
            begin{equation}
            q=L_{11} u'^2+v'^2 L_{22} \
            p=left[Gamma_{11}^2 u'^3-Gamma_{22}^1 v'^3right] sqrt{Det(g)}
            end{equation}

            In addition $s'=sqrt{g_{11}u'^2+2 g_{12} u'v'+g_{22}v'^2}$ reduces to $s'=sqrt{g_{11}u'^2+g_{22}v'^2}$. We can now consider the two cases.




            1. v=const


            In such a case we have
            begin{equation}
            q=L_{11} u'^2 \
            p=left[Gamma_{11}^2 u'^3right] sqrt{Det(g)}\
            s'=sqrt{g_{11}u'^2}
            end{equation}




            1. u =const


            In such a case we have
            begin{equation}
            q=v'^2 L_{22} \
            p=left[-Gamma_{22}^1 v'^3right] sqrt{Det(g)}
            s'=sqrt{g_{22}v'^2}
            end{equation}

            When computing the non zero coefficient of the first fundamental form for $sigma$, we have $g_{11}=g_{22}=rm sech^2(u)$, while non zero coefficient of the second fundamental form are $L_{11}=L_{22}=-rm sech^2(u)$. When replacing these coefficient in the above expression we have
            1. v=const
            begin{equation}
            k_n=-1 \
            k_g=0
            end{equation}

            because $Gamma_{11}^2=0$. Since the geodesic curvature is zero, the curve is a geodesic.




            1. u=const
              begin{equation}
              k_n=-1 \
              k_g=-rm sech{(u_0)}
              end{equation}

              where $u_0$ is the constant.
              The definition of normal and geodesic curvature in your textbook can be written in term of p and q for practical computation.






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              By keeping $u$ or $v$ constant in the parametrisation $sigma$ of the surface and keeping the other parameter "variable", you obtain the parametrisation of the coordinate lines.



              For instance, to parametrise a meridian, keeping $v$ constant gives
              $$
              gamma(t) = sigma(t, v_0) = left(frac{cos v_0}{cosh t}, frac{sin v_0}{cosh t}, tanh tright).
              $$



              In the same way, if you keep $u$ fixed and let the other parameter of $sigma$ be the variable of the curve, you get parametrisations of the parallels.






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                By keeping $u$ or $v$ constant in the parametrisation $sigma$ of the surface and keeping the other parameter "variable", you obtain the parametrisation of the coordinate lines.



                For instance, to parametrise a meridian, keeping $v$ constant gives
                $$
                gamma(t) = sigma(t, v_0) = left(frac{cos v_0}{cosh t}, frac{sin v_0}{cosh t}, tanh tright).
                $$



                In the same way, if you keep $u$ fixed and let the other parameter of $sigma$ be the variable of the curve, you get parametrisations of the parallels.






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                  By keeping $u$ or $v$ constant in the parametrisation $sigma$ of the surface and keeping the other parameter "variable", you obtain the parametrisation of the coordinate lines.



                  For instance, to parametrise a meridian, keeping $v$ constant gives
                  $$
                  gamma(t) = sigma(t, v_0) = left(frac{cos v_0}{cosh t}, frac{sin v_0}{cosh t}, tanh tright).
                  $$



                  In the same way, if you keep $u$ fixed and let the other parameter of $sigma$ be the variable of the curve, you get parametrisations of the parallels.






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                  By keeping $u$ or $v$ constant in the parametrisation $sigma$ of the surface and keeping the other parameter "variable", you obtain the parametrisation of the coordinate lines.



                  For instance, to parametrise a meridian, keeping $v$ constant gives
                  $$
                  gamma(t) = sigma(t, v_0) = left(frac{cos v_0}{cosh t}, frac{sin v_0}{cosh t}, tanh tright).
                  $$



                  In the same way, if you keep $u$ fixed and let the other parameter of $sigma$ be the variable of the curve, you get parametrisations of the parallels.







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                      Normal and geodesic curvature of curves on a surface can be computed using the following formulae:
                      begin{equation}
                      k_n=frac{q}{s'^2} \
                      k_g=frac{p}{s'^3}
                      end{equation}

                      where
                      begin{equation}
                      q=L_{11} u'^2+2 u' v' L_{12}+v'^2 L_{22} \
                      p=left[Gamma_{11}^2 u'^3+(Gamma_{22}^2-2 Gamma_{12}^1) u' v'^2+(u' v''-u'' v')+(2 Gamma_{12}^2-Gamma_{11}^1)u'^2v'-Gamma_{22}^1 v'^3right] sqrt{Det(g)}
                      end{equation}

                      where $Gamma_{jk}^i$ are the Christoffel symbols of the second kind, $L_{ij}$ the coefficient of the second fundamental form and g the first fundamental form. Independently of the case u=const or v=const, the product $u' v'$ are zero since or v is constant or u is constant. Thus, the above expressions reduce to:
                      begin{equation}
                      q=L_{11} u'^2+v'^2 L_{22} \
                      p=left[Gamma_{11}^2 u'^3-Gamma_{22}^1 v'^3right] sqrt{Det(g)}
                      end{equation}

                      In addition $s'=sqrt{g_{11}u'^2+2 g_{12} u'v'+g_{22}v'^2}$ reduces to $s'=sqrt{g_{11}u'^2+g_{22}v'^2}$. We can now consider the two cases.




                      1. v=const


                      In such a case we have
                      begin{equation}
                      q=L_{11} u'^2 \
                      p=left[Gamma_{11}^2 u'^3right] sqrt{Det(g)}\
                      s'=sqrt{g_{11}u'^2}
                      end{equation}




                      1. u =const


                      In such a case we have
                      begin{equation}
                      q=v'^2 L_{22} \
                      p=left[-Gamma_{22}^1 v'^3right] sqrt{Det(g)}
                      s'=sqrt{g_{22}v'^2}
                      end{equation}

                      When computing the non zero coefficient of the first fundamental form for $sigma$, we have $g_{11}=g_{22}=rm sech^2(u)$, while non zero coefficient of the second fundamental form are $L_{11}=L_{22}=-rm sech^2(u)$. When replacing these coefficient in the above expression we have
                      1. v=const
                      begin{equation}
                      k_n=-1 \
                      k_g=0
                      end{equation}

                      because $Gamma_{11}^2=0$. Since the geodesic curvature is zero, the curve is a geodesic.




                      1. u=const
                        begin{equation}
                        k_n=-1 \
                        k_g=-rm sech{(u_0)}
                        end{equation}

                        where $u_0$ is the constant.
                        The definition of normal and geodesic curvature in your textbook can be written in term of p and q for practical computation.






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                        $begingroup$

                        Normal and geodesic curvature of curves on a surface can be computed using the following formulae:
                        begin{equation}
                        k_n=frac{q}{s'^2} \
                        k_g=frac{p}{s'^3}
                        end{equation}

                        where
                        begin{equation}
                        q=L_{11} u'^2+2 u' v' L_{12}+v'^2 L_{22} \
                        p=left[Gamma_{11}^2 u'^3+(Gamma_{22}^2-2 Gamma_{12}^1) u' v'^2+(u' v''-u'' v')+(2 Gamma_{12}^2-Gamma_{11}^1)u'^2v'-Gamma_{22}^1 v'^3right] sqrt{Det(g)}
                        end{equation}

                        where $Gamma_{jk}^i$ are the Christoffel symbols of the second kind, $L_{ij}$ the coefficient of the second fundamental form and g the first fundamental form. Independently of the case u=const or v=const, the product $u' v'$ are zero since or v is constant or u is constant. Thus, the above expressions reduce to:
                        begin{equation}
                        q=L_{11} u'^2+v'^2 L_{22} \
                        p=left[Gamma_{11}^2 u'^3-Gamma_{22}^1 v'^3right] sqrt{Det(g)}
                        end{equation}

                        In addition $s'=sqrt{g_{11}u'^2+2 g_{12} u'v'+g_{22}v'^2}$ reduces to $s'=sqrt{g_{11}u'^2+g_{22}v'^2}$. We can now consider the two cases.




                        1. v=const


                        In such a case we have
                        begin{equation}
                        q=L_{11} u'^2 \
                        p=left[Gamma_{11}^2 u'^3right] sqrt{Det(g)}\
                        s'=sqrt{g_{11}u'^2}
                        end{equation}




                        1. u =const


                        In such a case we have
                        begin{equation}
                        q=v'^2 L_{22} \
                        p=left[-Gamma_{22}^1 v'^3right] sqrt{Det(g)}
                        s'=sqrt{g_{22}v'^2}
                        end{equation}

                        When computing the non zero coefficient of the first fundamental form for $sigma$, we have $g_{11}=g_{22}=rm sech^2(u)$, while non zero coefficient of the second fundamental form are $L_{11}=L_{22}=-rm sech^2(u)$. When replacing these coefficient in the above expression we have
                        1. v=const
                        begin{equation}
                        k_n=-1 \
                        k_g=0
                        end{equation}

                        because $Gamma_{11}^2=0$. Since the geodesic curvature is zero, the curve is a geodesic.




                        1. u=const
                          begin{equation}
                          k_n=-1 \
                          k_g=-rm sech{(u_0)}
                          end{equation}

                          where $u_0$ is the constant.
                          The definition of normal and geodesic curvature in your textbook can be written in term of p and q for practical computation.






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                          Normal and geodesic curvature of curves on a surface can be computed using the following formulae:
                          begin{equation}
                          k_n=frac{q}{s'^2} \
                          k_g=frac{p}{s'^3}
                          end{equation}

                          where
                          begin{equation}
                          q=L_{11} u'^2+2 u' v' L_{12}+v'^2 L_{22} \
                          p=left[Gamma_{11}^2 u'^3+(Gamma_{22}^2-2 Gamma_{12}^1) u' v'^2+(u' v''-u'' v')+(2 Gamma_{12}^2-Gamma_{11}^1)u'^2v'-Gamma_{22}^1 v'^3right] sqrt{Det(g)}
                          end{equation}

                          where $Gamma_{jk}^i$ are the Christoffel symbols of the second kind, $L_{ij}$ the coefficient of the second fundamental form and g the first fundamental form. Independently of the case u=const or v=const, the product $u' v'$ are zero since or v is constant or u is constant. Thus, the above expressions reduce to:
                          begin{equation}
                          q=L_{11} u'^2+v'^2 L_{22} \
                          p=left[Gamma_{11}^2 u'^3-Gamma_{22}^1 v'^3right] sqrt{Det(g)}
                          end{equation}

                          In addition $s'=sqrt{g_{11}u'^2+2 g_{12} u'v'+g_{22}v'^2}$ reduces to $s'=sqrt{g_{11}u'^2+g_{22}v'^2}$. We can now consider the two cases.




                          1. v=const


                          In such a case we have
                          begin{equation}
                          q=L_{11} u'^2 \
                          p=left[Gamma_{11}^2 u'^3right] sqrt{Det(g)}\
                          s'=sqrt{g_{11}u'^2}
                          end{equation}




                          1. u =const


                          In such a case we have
                          begin{equation}
                          q=v'^2 L_{22} \
                          p=left[-Gamma_{22}^1 v'^3right] sqrt{Det(g)}
                          s'=sqrt{g_{22}v'^2}
                          end{equation}

                          When computing the non zero coefficient of the first fundamental form for $sigma$, we have $g_{11}=g_{22}=rm sech^2(u)$, while non zero coefficient of the second fundamental form are $L_{11}=L_{22}=-rm sech^2(u)$. When replacing these coefficient in the above expression we have
                          1. v=const
                          begin{equation}
                          k_n=-1 \
                          k_g=0
                          end{equation}

                          because $Gamma_{11}^2=0$. Since the geodesic curvature is zero, the curve is a geodesic.




                          1. u=const
                            begin{equation}
                            k_n=-1 \
                            k_g=-rm sech{(u_0)}
                            end{equation}

                            where $u_0$ is the constant.
                            The definition of normal and geodesic curvature in your textbook can be written in term of p and q for practical computation.






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                          Normal and geodesic curvature of curves on a surface can be computed using the following formulae:
                          begin{equation}
                          k_n=frac{q}{s'^2} \
                          k_g=frac{p}{s'^3}
                          end{equation}

                          where
                          begin{equation}
                          q=L_{11} u'^2+2 u' v' L_{12}+v'^2 L_{22} \
                          p=left[Gamma_{11}^2 u'^3+(Gamma_{22}^2-2 Gamma_{12}^1) u' v'^2+(u' v''-u'' v')+(2 Gamma_{12}^2-Gamma_{11}^1)u'^2v'-Gamma_{22}^1 v'^3right] sqrt{Det(g)}
                          end{equation}

                          where $Gamma_{jk}^i$ are the Christoffel symbols of the second kind, $L_{ij}$ the coefficient of the second fundamental form and g the first fundamental form. Independently of the case u=const or v=const, the product $u' v'$ are zero since or v is constant or u is constant. Thus, the above expressions reduce to:
                          begin{equation}
                          q=L_{11} u'^2+v'^2 L_{22} \
                          p=left[Gamma_{11}^2 u'^3-Gamma_{22}^1 v'^3right] sqrt{Det(g)}
                          end{equation}

                          In addition $s'=sqrt{g_{11}u'^2+2 g_{12} u'v'+g_{22}v'^2}$ reduces to $s'=sqrt{g_{11}u'^2+g_{22}v'^2}$. We can now consider the two cases.




                          1. v=const


                          In such a case we have
                          begin{equation}
                          q=L_{11} u'^2 \
                          p=left[Gamma_{11}^2 u'^3right] sqrt{Det(g)}\
                          s'=sqrt{g_{11}u'^2}
                          end{equation}




                          1. u =const


                          In such a case we have
                          begin{equation}
                          q=v'^2 L_{22} \
                          p=left[-Gamma_{22}^1 v'^3right] sqrt{Det(g)}
                          s'=sqrt{g_{22}v'^2}
                          end{equation}

                          When computing the non zero coefficient of the first fundamental form for $sigma$, we have $g_{11}=g_{22}=rm sech^2(u)$, while non zero coefficient of the second fundamental form are $L_{11}=L_{22}=-rm sech^2(u)$. When replacing these coefficient in the above expression we have
                          1. v=const
                          begin{equation}
                          k_n=-1 \
                          k_g=0
                          end{equation}

                          because $Gamma_{11}^2=0$. Since the geodesic curvature is zero, the curve is a geodesic.




                          1. u=const
                            begin{equation}
                            k_n=-1 \
                            k_g=-rm sech{(u_0)}
                            end{equation}

                            where $u_0$ is the constant.
                            The definition of normal and geodesic curvature in your textbook can be written in term of p and q for practical computation.







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