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Determine whether the sets spans in $R^2$:
a) $S={(1,2),(-1,1)}$
b) $S={(0,0),(1,1)}$
c) $S={(2,4),(-1,2)}$
d) $S={(1,3),(2,-3),(0,2)}$
What I did:
Let be $u=(u_1,u_2)$ any vector en $R^2$ y let be $c_1,c_2,c_3$ scalars then:
a) $u=(u_1,u_2)=c_1(1,2)+c_2(-1,1)=(c_1-c_2,2c_1+c_2)$ which gives the system: $$c_1-c_2=u_1$$
$$2c_1+c_2=u_2$$ The coefficient matrix of the system has determinant 3 so it have a unique solution and therefore, any vector any vector in $R^2$ can be written as a linear combination of vectors of $S$, and therefore, the set $S$ spans in $R^2$.
Am I right?
b) $u=(u_1,u_2)=c_1(0,0)+c_2(1,1)=(c_2,c_2)$ which gives the system: $$c_2=u_1$$
$$c_2=u_2$$ The coefficient matrix of the system has determinant $0$.
In here, the system either has a no solution or infinite solutions, right? And by that can I conclude that the set $S$ doesn't span in $R^2$? Or not? If so, what I'm supposed to do here?
c) $u=(u_1,u_2)=c_1(2,4)+c_2(-1,2)=(2c_1-c_2,4c_1+2c_2)$ which gives the system: $$2c_1-c_2=u_1$$
$$4c_1+2c_2=u_2$$ The coefficient matrix of the system has determinant 8 so it have a unique solution and therefore, any vector any vector in $R^2$ can be written as a linear combination of vectors of $S$, and therefore, the set $S$ spans in $R^2$.
Am I right?
d) $u=(u_1,u_2)=c_1(1,3)+c_2(2,-3)+c_3(0,2)=(c_1+2c_2,3c_1-3c_2+2c_3)$ which gives the system: $$c_1+2c_2=u_1$$
$$3c_1-3c_2+2c_3=u_2$$
I'm stuck in this one. Don't know what I'm supposed to do here?
Please help! Thanks.
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Determine whether the sets spans in $R^2$:
a) $S={(1,2),(-1,1)}$
b) $S={(0,0),(1,1)}$
c) $S={(2,4),(-1,2)}$
d) $S={(1,3),(2,-3),(0,2)}$
What I did:
Let be $u=(u_1,u_2)$ any vector en $R^2$ y let be $c_1,c_2,c_3$ scalars then:
a) $u=(u_1,u_2)=c_1(1,2)+c_2(-1,1)=(c_1-c_2,2c_1+c_2)$ which gives the system: $$c_1-c_2=u_1$$
$$2c_1+c_2=u_2$$ The coefficient matrix of the system has determinant 3 so it have a unique solution and therefore, any vector any vector in $R^2$ can be written as a linear combination of vectors of $S$, and therefore, the set $S$ spans in $R^2$.
Am I right?
b) $u=(u_1,u_2)=c_1(0,0)+c_2(1,1)=(c_2,c_2)$ which gives the system: $$c_2=u_1$$
$$c_2=u_2$$ The coefficient matrix of the system has determinant $0$.
In here, the system either has a no solution or infinite solutions, right? And by that can I conclude that the set $S$ doesn't span in $R^2$? Or not? If so, what I'm supposed to do here?
c) $u=(u_1,u_2)=c_1(2,4)+c_2(-1,2)=(2c_1-c_2,4c_1+2c_2)$ which gives the system: $$2c_1-c_2=u_1$$
$$4c_1+2c_2=u_2$$ The coefficient matrix of the system has determinant 8 so it have a unique solution and therefore, any vector any vector in $R^2$ can be written as a linear combination of vectors of $S$, and therefore, the set $S$ spans in $R^2$.
Am I right?
d) $u=(u_1,u_2)=c_1(1,3)+c_2(2,-3)+c_3(0,2)=(c_1+2c_2,3c_1-3c_2+2c_3)$ which gives the system: $$c_1+2c_2=u_1$$
$$3c_1-3c_2+2c_3=u_2$$
I'm stuck in this one. Don't know what I'm supposed to do here?
Please help! Thanks.
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They all span $;Bbb R^2;$ . In the last one is enough you take any two of those three vectors to span the whole plane.
– DonAntonio
Nov 23 at 1:42
@DonAntonio: Case (b) has been corrected, which unfortunately invalidates your comment.
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Determine whether the sets spans in $R^2$:
a) $S={(1,2),(-1,1)}$
b) $S={(0,0),(1,1)}$
c) $S={(2,4),(-1,2)}$
d) $S={(1,3),(2,-3),(0,2)}$
What I did:
Let be $u=(u_1,u_2)$ any vector en $R^2$ y let be $c_1,c_2,c_3$ scalars then:
a) $u=(u_1,u_2)=c_1(1,2)+c_2(-1,1)=(c_1-c_2,2c_1+c_2)$ which gives the system: $$c_1-c_2=u_1$$
$$2c_1+c_2=u_2$$ The coefficient matrix of the system has determinant 3 so it have a unique solution and therefore, any vector any vector in $R^2$ can be written as a linear combination of vectors of $S$, and therefore, the set $S$ spans in $R^2$.
Am I right?
b) $u=(u_1,u_2)=c_1(0,0)+c_2(1,1)=(c_2,c_2)$ which gives the system: $$c_2=u_1$$
$$c_2=u_2$$ The coefficient matrix of the system has determinant $0$.
In here, the system either has a no solution or infinite solutions, right? And by that can I conclude that the set $S$ doesn't span in $R^2$? Or not? If so, what I'm supposed to do here?
c) $u=(u_1,u_2)=c_1(2,4)+c_2(-1,2)=(2c_1-c_2,4c_1+2c_2)$ which gives the system: $$2c_1-c_2=u_1$$
$$4c_1+2c_2=u_2$$ The coefficient matrix of the system has determinant 8 so it have a unique solution and therefore, any vector any vector in $R^2$ can be written as a linear combination of vectors of $S$, and therefore, the set $S$ spans in $R^2$.
Am I right?
d) $u=(u_1,u_2)=c_1(1,3)+c_2(2,-3)+c_3(0,2)=(c_1+2c_2,3c_1-3c_2+2c_3)$ which gives the system: $$c_1+2c_2=u_1$$
$$3c_1-3c_2+2c_3=u_2$$
I'm stuck in this one. Don't know what I'm supposed to do here?
Please help! Thanks.
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Determine whether the sets spans in $R^2$:
a) $S={(1,2),(-1,1)}$
b) $S={(0,0),(1,1)}$
c) $S={(2,4),(-1,2)}$
d) $S={(1,3),(2,-3),(0,2)}$
What I did:
Let be $u=(u_1,u_2)$ any vector en $R^2$ y let be $c_1,c_2,c_3$ scalars then:
a) $u=(u_1,u_2)=c_1(1,2)+c_2(-1,1)=(c_1-c_2,2c_1+c_2)$ which gives the system: $$c_1-c_2=u_1$$
$$2c_1+c_2=u_2$$ The coefficient matrix of the system has determinant 3 so it have a unique solution and therefore, any vector any vector in $R^2$ can be written as a linear combination of vectors of $S$, and therefore, the set $S$ spans in $R^2$.
Am I right?
b) $u=(u_1,u_2)=c_1(0,0)+c_2(1,1)=(c_2,c_2)$ which gives the system: $$c_2=u_1$$
$$c_2=u_2$$ The coefficient matrix of the system has determinant $0$.
In here, the system either has a no solution or infinite solutions, right? And by that can I conclude that the set $S$ doesn't span in $R^2$? Or not? If so, what I'm supposed to do here?
c) $u=(u_1,u_2)=c_1(2,4)+c_2(-1,2)=(2c_1-c_2,4c_1+2c_2)$ which gives the system: $$2c_1-c_2=u_1$$
$$4c_1+2c_2=u_2$$ The coefficient matrix of the system has determinant 8 so it have a unique solution and therefore, any vector any vector in $R^2$ can be written as a linear combination of vectors of $S$, and therefore, the set $S$ spans in $R^2$.
Am I right?
d) $u=(u_1,u_2)=c_1(1,3)+c_2(2,-3)+c_3(0,2)=(c_1+2c_2,3c_1-3c_2+2c_3)$ which gives the system: $$c_1+2c_2=u_1$$
$$3c_1-3c_2+2c_3=u_2$$
I'm stuck in this one. Don't know what I'm supposed to do here?
Please help! Thanks.
linear-algebra vector-spaces
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They all span $;Bbb R^2;$ . In the last one is enough you take any two of those three vectors to span the whole plane.
– DonAntonio
Nov 23 at 1:42
@DonAntonio: Case (b) has been corrected, which unfortunately invalidates your comment.
– TonyK
Nov 23 at 1:54
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They all span $;Bbb R^2;$ . In the last one is enough you take any two of those three vectors to span the whole plane.
– DonAntonio
Nov 23 at 1:42
@DonAntonio: Case (b) has been corrected, which unfortunately invalidates your comment.
– TonyK
Nov 23 at 1:54
They all span $;Bbb R^2;$ . In the last one is enough you take any two of those three vectors to span the whole plane.
– DonAntonio
Nov 23 at 1:42
They all span $;Bbb R^2;$ . In the last one is enough you take any two of those three vectors to span the whole plane.
– DonAntonio
Nov 23 at 1:42
@DonAntonio: Case (b) has been corrected, which unfortunately invalidates your comment.
– TonyK
Nov 23 at 1:54
@DonAntonio: Case (b) has been corrected, which unfortunately invalidates your comment.
– TonyK
Nov 23 at 1:54
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You seem to want to prove (a) and (c) twice! First, you give an explicit way of expressing $u$ in terms of the elements of $S$; this proves that $S$ is a spanning set. Then, you compute the determinant of the coefficient matrix; this is non-zero, which also proves that $S$ is a spanning set.
You only need one of these!
In case (b), the determinant is zero, therefore $S$ is not a spanning set.
In case (d), it is enough to pick two elements of $S$ and show that they constitute a spanning set. Then $S$ surely is a spanning set.
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Hint: If $V $ is a finite dimensional vector space with $dimV=n$,then any subset of $V $ which contains more than $n$ vectors is linearly dependent. So for the last case,it is enough to check whether any two vectors span $mathbb{R}^2$.Other cases seem right to me.
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To determine whether a set spans vector space, all you need to do is to show that every element in that vector space can be written as a linear combination of the elements in the span, this is due to the definition of a spanning set. Furthermore, I will not prove it, but you should try to prove it, it is that if you have n vectors from $F^n$ that span a subspace (or a vector space, since every vector space is its own subspace) then you can put them in a matrix and perform elementary row operations on them, the new set still spans the same space. So, to show a set spans $R^2$, you can show that that spanning set is equal to the spanning set consisting of (1,0) and (0,1), the standard bases. But they don't have to be (1,0) and (0,1).
in letter b) I make a matrix with that equation system... $begin{bmatrix} 0 & 1 & u_{1}\ 0 & 1 & u_{2}\ end{bmatrix}$ by row reduction I get $begin{bmatrix} 0 & 1 & u_{1}\ 0 & 0 & u_{1}-u_{2}\ end{bmatrix}$ How do I know here if actually system is inconsistent or dependent?
– gi2302
Nov 26 at 4:40
You're trying to find a solution for (x,y)=a(0,0)+b(1,1), write that in a matrix, then compute the determinant, is the determinant 0 or non zero? You also know that span((0,0),(1,1))=span((1,1)) so can (1,1) be a spanning set for $R^2$?
– maths researcher
Nov 26 at 13:51
Yes... look up.. I did that.... determinant is 0. So either I get no solution or infinite solution... But how do I know if is no solution or infinite solution? I try row reduction.. but still don't know is is inconsistent or dependent because I dont know the value of $u_1$ or $u_2$. Because if is infinite solution it will span, but if there's not a solution, it will not span.
– gi2302
Nov 26 at 14:28
It has to be inconsistent because if you set up the matrix of coefficients youll see that you'll have a 0 row on the left hand side and and arbitrary element on the right, so it's inconsistent. To check, span((0,0),(1,1)) = span((1,1)) which cannot span $R^2$.
– maths researcher
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You seem to want to prove (a) and (c) twice! First, you give an explicit way of expressing $u$ in terms of the elements of $S$; this proves that $S$ is a spanning set. Then, you compute the determinant of the coefficient matrix; this is non-zero, which also proves that $S$ is a spanning set.
You only need one of these!
In case (b), the determinant is zero, therefore $S$ is not a spanning set.
In case (d), it is enough to pick two elements of $S$ and show that they constitute a spanning set. Then $S$ surely is a spanning set.
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You seem to want to prove (a) and (c) twice! First, you give an explicit way of expressing $u$ in terms of the elements of $S$; this proves that $S$ is a spanning set. Then, you compute the determinant of the coefficient matrix; this is non-zero, which also proves that $S$ is a spanning set.
You only need one of these!
In case (b), the determinant is zero, therefore $S$ is not a spanning set.
In case (d), it is enough to pick two elements of $S$ and show that they constitute a spanning set. Then $S$ surely is a spanning set.
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You seem to want to prove (a) and (c) twice! First, you give an explicit way of expressing $u$ in terms of the elements of $S$; this proves that $S$ is a spanning set. Then, you compute the determinant of the coefficient matrix; this is non-zero, which also proves that $S$ is a spanning set.
You only need one of these!
In case (b), the determinant is zero, therefore $S$ is not a spanning set.
In case (d), it is enough to pick two elements of $S$ and show that they constitute a spanning set. Then $S$ surely is a spanning set.
You seem to want to prove (a) and (c) twice! First, you give an explicit way of expressing $u$ in terms of the elements of $S$; this proves that $S$ is a spanning set. Then, you compute the determinant of the coefficient matrix; this is non-zero, which also proves that $S$ is a spanning set.
You only need one of these!
In case (b), the determinant is zero, therefore $S$ is not a spanning set.
In case (d), it is enough to pick two elements of $S$ and show that they constitute a spanning set. Then $S$ surely is a spanning set.
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Hint: If $V $ is a finite dimensional vector space with $dimV=n$,then any subset of $V $ which contains more than $n$ vectors is linearly dependent. So for the last case,it is enough to check whether any two vectors span $mathbb{R}^2$.Other cases seem right to me.
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Hint: If $V $ is a finite dimensional vector space with $dimV=n$,then any subset of $V $ which contains more than $n$ vectors is linearly dependent. So for the last case,it is enough to check whether any two vectors span $mathbb{R}^2$.Other cases seem right to me.
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Hint: If $V $ is a finite dimensional vector space with $dimV=n$,then any subset of $V $ which contains more than $n$ vectors is linearly dependent. So for the last case,it is enough to check whether any two vectors span $mathbb{R}^2$.Other cases seem right to me.
Hint: If $V $ is a finite dimensional vector space with $dimV=n$,then any subset of $V $ which contains more than $n$ vectors is linearly dependent. So for the last case,it is enough to check whether any two vectors span $mathbb{R}^2$.Other cases seem right to me.
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To determine whether a set spans vector space, all you need to do is to show that every element in that vector space can be written as a linear combination of the elements in the span, this is due to the definition of a spanning set. Furthermore, I will not prove it, but you should try to prove it, it is that if you have n vectors from $F^n$ that span a subspace (or a vector space, since every vector space is its own subspace) then you can put them in a matrix and perform elementary row operations on them, the new set still spans the same space. So, to show a set spans $R^2$, you can show that that spanning set is equal to the spanning set consisting of (1,0) and (0,1), the standard bases. But they don't have to be (1,0) and (0,1).
in letter b) I make a matrix with that equation system... $begin{bmatrix} 0 & 1 & u_{1}\ 0 & 1 & u_{2}\ end{bmatrix}$ by row reduction I get $begin{bmatrix} 0 & 1 & u_{1}\ 0 & 0 & u_{1}-u_{2}\ end{bmatrix}$ How do I know here if actually system is inconsistent or dependent?
– gi2302
Nov 26 at 4:40
You're trying to find a solution for (x,y)=a(0,0)+b(1,1), write that in a matrix, then compute the determinant, is the determinant 0 or non zero? You also know that span((0,0),(1,1))=span((1,1)) so can (1,1) be a spanning set for $R^2$?
– maths researcher
Nov 26 at 13:51
Yes... look up.. I did that.... determinant is 0. So either I get no solution or infinite solution... But how do I know if is no solution or infinite solution? I try row reduction.. but still don't know is is inconsistent or dependent because I dont know the value of $u_1$ or $u_2$. Because if is infinite solution it will span, but if there's not a solution, it will not span.
– gi2302
Nov 26 at 14:28
It has to be inconsistent because if you set up the matrix of coefficients youll see that you'll have a 0 row on the left hand side and and arbitrary element on the right, so it's inconsistent. To check, span((0,0),(1,1)) = span((1,1)) which cannot span $R^2$.
– maths researcher
Nov 26 at 17:29
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To determine whether a set spans vector space, all you need to do is to show that every element in that vector space can be written as a linear combination of the elements in the span, this is due to the definition of a spanning set. Furthermore, I will not prove it, but you should try to prove it, it is that if you have n vectors from $F^n$ that span a subspace (or a vector space, since every vector space is its own subspace) then you can put them in a matrix and perform elementary row operations on them, the new set still spans the same space. So, to show a set spans $R^2$, you can show that that spanning set is equal to the spanning set consisting of (1,0) and (0,1), the standard bases. But they don't have to be (1,0) and (0,1).
in letter b) I make a matrix with that equation system... $begin{bmatrix} 0 & 1 & u_{1}\ 0 & 1 & u_{2}\ end{bmatrix}$ by row reduction I get $begin{bmatrix} 0 & 1 & u_{1}\ 0 & 0 & u_{1}-u_{2}\ end{bmatrix}$ How do I know here if actually system is inconsistent or dependent?
– gi2302
Nov 26 at 4:40
You're trying to find a solution for (x,y)=a(0,0)+b(1,1), write that in a matrix, then compute the determinant, is the determinant 0 or non zero? You also know that span((0,0),(1,1))=span((1,1)) so can (1,1) be a spanning set for $R^2$?
– maths researcher
Nov 26 at 13:51
Yes... look up.. I did that.... determinant is 0. So either I get no solution or infinite solution... But how do I know if is no solution or infinite solution? I try row reduction.. but still don't know is is inconsistent or dependent because I dont know the value of $u_1$ or $u_2$. Because if is infinite solution it will span, but if there's not a solution, it will not span.
– gi2302
Nov 26 at 14:28
It has to be inconsistent because if you set up the matrix of coefficients youll see that you'll have a 0 row on the left hand side and and arbitrary element on the right, so it's inconsistent. To check, span((0,0),(1,1)) = span((1,1)) which cannot span $R^2$.
– maths researcher
Nov 26 at 17:29
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To determine whether a set spans vector space, all you need to do is to show that every element in that vector space can be written as a linear combination of the elements in the span, this is due to the definition of a spanning set. Furthermore, I will not prove it, but you should try to prove it, it is that if you have n vectors from $F^n$ that span a subspace (or a vector space, since every vector space is its own subspace) then you can put them in a matrix and perform elementary row operations on them, the new set still spans the same space. So, to show a set spans $R^2$, you can show that that spanning set is equal to the spanning set consisting of (1,0) and (0,1), the standard bases. But they don't have to be (1,0) and (0,1).
To determine whether a set spans vector space, all you need to do is to show that every element in that vector space can be written as a linear combination of the elements in the span, this is due to the definition of a spanning set. Furthermore, I will not prove it, but you should try to prove it, it is that if you have n vectors from $F^n$ that span a subspace (or a vector space, since every vector space is its own subspace) then you can put them in a matrix and perform elementary row operations on them, the new set still spans the same space. So, to show a set spans $R^2$, you can show that that spanning set is equal to the spanning set consisting of (1,0) and (0,1), the standard bases. But they don't have to be (1,0) and (0,1).
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in letter b) I make a matrix with that equation system... $begin{bmatrix} 0 & 1 & u_{1}\ 0 & 1 & u_{2}\ end{bmatrix}$ by row reduction I get $begin{bmatrix} 0 & 1 & u_{1}\ 0 & 0 & u_{1}-u_{2}\ end{bmatrix}$ How do I know here if actually system is inconsistent or dependent?
– gi2302
Nov 26 at 4:40
You're trying to find a solution for (x,y)=a(0,0)+b(1,1), write that in a matrix, then compute the determinant, is the determinant 0 or non zero? You also know that span((0,0),(1,1))=span((1,1)) so can (1,1) be a spanning set for $R^2$?
– maths researcher
Nov 26 at 13:51
Yes... look up.. I did that.... determinant is 0. So either I get no solution or infinite solution... But how do I know if is no solution or infinite solution? I try row reduction.. but still don't know is is inconsistent or dependent because I dont know the value of $u_1$ or $u_2$. Because if is infinite solution it will span, but if there's not a solution, it will not span.
– gi2302
Nov 26 at 14:28
It has to be inconsistent because if you set up the matrix of coefficients youll see that you'll have a 0 row on the left hand side and and arbitrary element on the right, so it's inconsistent. To check, span((0,0),(1,1)) = span((1,1)) which cannot span $R^2$.
– maths researcher
Nov 26 at 17:29
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in letter b) I make a matrix with that equation system... $begin{bmatrix} 0 & 1 & u_{1}\ 0 & 1 & u_{2}\ end{bmatrix}$ by row reduction I get $begin{bmatrix} 0 & 1 & u_{1}\ 0 & 0 & u_{1}-u_{2}\ end{bmatrix}$ How do I know here if actually system is inconsistent or dependent?
– gi2302
Nov 26 at 4:40
You're trying to find a solution for (x,y)=a(0,0)+b(1,1), write that in a matrix, then compute the determinant, is the determinant 0 or non zero? You also know that span((0,0),(1,1))=span((1,1)) so can (1,1) be a spanning set for $R^2$?
– maths researcher
Nov 26 at 13:51
Yes... look up.. I did that.... determinant is 0. So either I get no solution or infinite solution... But how do I know if is no solution or infinite solution? I try row reduction.. but still don't know is is inconsistent or dependent because I dont know the value of $u_1$ or $u_2$. Because if is infinite solution it will span, but if there's not a solution, it will not span.
– gi2302
Nov 26 at 14:28
It has to be inconsistent because if you set up the matrix of coefficients youll see that you'll have a 0 row on the left hand side and and arbitrary element on the right, so it's inconsistent. To check, span((0,0),(1,1)) = span((1,1)) which cannot span $R^2$.
– maths researcher
Nov 26 at 17:29
in letter b) I make a matrix with that equation system... $begin{bmatrix} 0 & 1 & u_{1}\ 0 & 1 & u_{2}\ end{bmatrix}$ by row reduction I get $begin{bmatrix} 0 & 1 & u_{1}\ 0 & 0 & u_{1}-u_{2}\ end{bmatrix}$ How do I know here if actually system is inconsistent or dependent?
– gi2302
Nov 26 at 4:40
in letter b) I make a matrix with that equation system... $begin{bmatrix} 0 & 1 & u_{1}\ 0 & 1 & u_{2}\ end{bmatrix}$ by row reduction I get $begin{bmatrix} 0 & 1 & u_{1}\ 0 & 0 & u_{1}-u_{2}\ end{bmatrix}$ How do I know here if actually system is inconsistent or dependent?
– gi2302
Nov 26 at 4:40
You're trying to find a solution for (x,y)=a(0,0)+b(1,1), write that in a matrix, then compute the determinant, is the determinant 0 or non zero? You also know that span((0,0),(1,1))=span((1,1)) so can (1,1) be a spanning set for $R^2$?
– maths researcher
Nov 26 at 13:51
You're trying to find a solution for (x,y)=a(0,0)+b(1,1), write that in a matrix, then compute the determinant, is the determinant 0 or non zero? You also know that span((0,0),(1,1))=span((1,1)) so can (1,1) be a spanning set for $R^2$?
– maths researcher
Nov 26 at 13:51
Yes... look up.. I did that.... determinant is 0. So either I get no solution or infinite solution... But how do I know if is no solution or infinite solution? I try row reduction.. but still don't know is is inconsistent or dependent because I dont know the value of $u_1$ or $u_2$. Because if is infinite solution it will span, but if there's not a solution, it will not span.
– gi2302
Nov 26 at 14:28
Yes... look up.. I did that.... determinant is 0. So either I get no solution or infinite solution... But how do I know if is no solution or infinite solution? I try row reduction.. but still don't know is is inconsistent or dependent because I dont know the value of $u_1$ or $u_2$. Because if is infinite solution it will span, but if there's not a solution, it will not span.
– gi2302
Nov 26 at 14:28
It has to be inconsistent because if you set up the matrix of coefficients youll see that you'll have a 0 row on the left hand side and and arbitrary element on the right, so it's inconsistent. To check, span((0,0),(1,1)) = span((1,1)) which cannot span $R^2$.
– maths researcher
Nov 26 at 17:29
It has to be inconsistent because if you set up the matrix of coefficients youll see that you'll have a 0 row on the left hand side and and arbitrary element on the right, so it's inconsistent. To check, span((0,0),(1,1)) = span((1,1)) which cannot span $R^2$.
– maths researcher
Nov 26 at 17:29
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They all span $;Bbb R^2;$ . In the last one is enough you take any two of those three vectors to span the whole plane.
– DonAntonio
Nov 23 at 1:42
@DonAntonio: Case (b) has been corrected, which unfortunately invalidates your comment.
– TonyK
Nov 23 at 1:54