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Determine whether the sets spans in $R^2$:



a) $S={(1,2),(-1,1)}$



b) $S={(0,0),(1,1)}$



c) $S={(2,4),(-1,2)}$



d) $S={(1,3),(2,-3),(0,2)}$



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Let be $u=(u_1,u_2)$ any vector en $R^2$ y let be $c_1,c_2,c_3$ scalars then:



a) $u=(u_1,u_2)=c_1(1,2)+c_2(-1,1)=(c_1-c_2,2c_1+c_2)$ which gives the system: $$c_1-c_2=u_1$$
$$2c_1+c_2=u_2$$ The coefficient matrix of the system has determinant 3 so it have a unique solution and therefore, any vector any vector in $R^2$ can be written as a linear combination of vectors of $S$, and therefore, the set $S$ spans in $R^2$.



Am I right?



b) $u=(u_1,u_2)=c_1(0,0)+c_2(1,1)=(c_2,c_2)$ which gives the system: $$c_2=u_1$$
$$c_2=u_2$$ The coefficient matrix of the system has determinant $0$.



In here, the system either has a no solution or infinite solutions, right? And by that can I conclude that the set $S$ doesn't span in $R^2$? Or not? If so, what I'm supposed to do here?



c) $u=(u_1,u_2)=c_1(2,4)+c_2(-1,2)=(2c_1-c_2,4c_1+2c_2)$ which gives the system: $$2c_1-c_2=u_1$$
$$4c_1+2c_2=u_2$$ The coefficient matrix of the system has determinant 8 so it have a unique solution and therefore, any vector any vector in $R^2$ can be written as a linear combination of vectors of $S$, and therefore, the set $S$ spans in $R^2$.



Am I right?



d) $u=(u_1,u_2)=c_1(1,3)+c_2(2,-3)+c_3(0,2)=(c_1+2c_2,3c_1-3c_2+2c_3)$ which gives the system: $$c_1+2c_2=u_1$$
$$3c_1-3c_2+2c_3=u_2$$



I'm stuck in this one. Don't know what I'm supposed to do here?



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  • They all span $;Bbb R^2;$ . In the last one is enough you take any two of those three vectors to span the whole plane.
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Determine whether the sets spans in $R^2$:



a) $S={(1,2),(-1,1)}$



b) $S={(0,0),(1,1)}$



c) $S={(2,4),(-1,2)}$



d) $S={(1,3),(2,-3),(0,2)}$



What I did:



Let be $u=(u_1,u_2)$ any vector en $R^2$ y let be $c_1,c_2,c_3$ scalars then:



a) $u=(u_1,u_2)=c_1(1,2)+c_2(-1,1)=(c_1-c_2,2c_1+c_2)$ which gives the system: $$c_1-c_2=u_1$$
$$2c_1+c_2=u_2$$ The coefficient matrix of the system has determinant 3 so it have a unique solution and therefore, any vector any vector in $R^2$ can be written as a linear combination of vectors of $S$, and therefore, the set $S$ spans in $R^2$.



Am I right?



b) $u=(u_1,u_2)=c_1(0,0)+c_2(1,1)=(c_2,c_2)$ which gives the system: $$c_2=u_1$$
$$c_2=u_2$$ The coefficient matrix of the system has determinant $0$.



In here, the system either has a no solution or infinite solutions, right? And by that can I conclude that the set $S$ doesn't span in $R^2$? Or not? If so, what I'm supposed to do here?



c) $u=(u_1,u_2)=c_1(2,4)+c_2(-1,2)=(2c_1-c_2,4c_1+2c_2)$ which gives the system: $$2c_1-c_2=u_1$$
$$4c_1+2c_2=u_2$$ The coefficient matrix of the system has determinant 8 so it have a unique solution and therefore, any vector any vector in $R^2$ can be written as a linear combination of vectors of $S$, and therefore, the set $S$ spans in $R^2$.



Am I right?



d) $u=(u_1,u_2)=c_1(1,3)+c_2(2,-3)+c_3(0,2)=(c_1+2c_2,3c_1-3c_2+2c_3)$ which gives the system: $$c_1+2c_2=u_1$$
$$3c_1-3c_2+2c_3=u_2$$



I'm stuck in this one. Don't know what I'm supposed to do here?



Please help! Thanks.










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  • They all span $;Bbb R^2;$ . In the last one is enough you take any two of those three vectors to span the whole plane.
    – DonAntonio
    Nov 23 at 1:42










  • @DonAntonio: Case (b) has been corrected, which unfortunately invalidates your comment.
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    Nov 23 at 1:54















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Determine whether the sets spans in $R^2$:



a) $S={(1,2),(-1,1)}$



b) $S={(0,0),(1,1)}$



c) $S={(2,4),(-1,2)}$



d) $S={(1,3),(2,-3),(0,2)}$



What I did:



Let be $u=(u_1,u_2)$ any vector en $R^2$ y let be $c_1,c_2,c_3$ scalars then:



a) $u=(u_1,u_2)=c_1(1,2)+c_2(-1,1)=(c_1-c_2,2c_1+c_2)$ which gives the system: $$c_1-c_2=u_1$$
$$2c_1+c_2=u_2$$ The coefficient matrix of the system has determinant 3 so it have a unique solution and therefore, any vector any vector in $R^2$ can be written as a linear combination of vectors of $S$, and therefore, the set $S$ spans in $R^2$.



Am I right?



b) $u=(u_1,u_2)=c_1(0,0)+c_2(1,1)=(c_2,c_2)$ which gives the system: $$c_2=u_1$$
$$c_2=u_2$$ The coefficient matrix of the system has determinant $0$.



In here, the system either has a no solution or infinite solutions, right? And by that can I conclude that the set $S$ doesn't span in $R^2$? Or not? If so, what I'm supposed to do here?



c) $u=(u_1,u_2)=c_1(2,4)+c_2(-1,2)=(2c_1-c_2,4c_1+2c_2)$ which gives the system: $$2c_1-c_2=u_1$$
$$4c_1+2c_2=u_2$$ The coefficient matrix of the system has determinant 8 so it have a unique solution and therefore, any vector any vector in $R^2$ can be written as a linear combination of vectors of $S$, and therefore, the set $S$ spans in $R^2$.



Am I right?



d) $u=(u_1,u_2)=c_1(1,3)+c_2(2,-3)+c_3(0,2)=(c_1+2c_2,3c_1-3c_2+2c_3)$ which gives the system: $$c_1+2c_2=u_1$$
$$3c_1-3c_2+2c_3=u_2$$



I'm stuck in this one. Don't know what I'm supposed to do here?



Please help! Thanks.










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Determine whether the sets spans in $R^2$:



a) $S={(1,2),(-1,1)}$



b) $S={(0,0),(1,1)}$



c) $S={(2,4),(-1,2)}$



d) $S={(1,3),(2,-3),(0,2)}$



What I did:



Let be $u=(u_1,u_2)$ any vector en $R^2$ y let be $c_1,c_2,c_3$ scalars then:



a) $u=(u_1,u_2)=c_1(1,2)+c_2(-1,1)=(c_1-c_2,2c_1+c_2)$ which gives the system: $$c_1-c_2=u_1$$
$$2c_1+c_2=u_2$$ The coefficient matrix of the system has determinant 3 so it have a unique solution and therefore, any vector any vector in $R^2$ can be written as a linear combination of vectors of $S$, and therefore, the set $S$ spans in $R^2$.



Am I right?



b) $u=(u_1,u_2)=c_1(0,0)+c_2(1,1)=(c_2,c_2)$ which gives the system: $$c_2=u_1$$
$$c_2=u_2$$ The coefficient matrix of the system has determinant $0$.



In here, the system either has a no solution or infinite solutions, right? And by that can I conclude that the set $S$ doesn't span in $R^2$? Or not? If so, what I'm supposed to do here?



c) $u=(u_1,u_2)=c_1(2,4)+c_2(-1,2)=(2c_1-c_2,4c_1+2c_2)$ which gives the system: $$2c_1-c_2=u_1$$
$$4c_1+2c_2=u_2$$ The coefficient matrix of the system has determinant 8 so it have a unique solution and therefore, any vector any vector in $R^2$ can be written as a linear combination of vectors of $S$, and therefore, the set $S$ spans in $R^2$.



Am I right?



d) $u=(u_1,u_2)=c_1(1,3)+c_2(2,-3)+c_3(0,2)=(c_1+2c_2,3c_1-3c_2+2c_3)$ which gives the system: $$c_1+2c_2=u_1$$
$$3c_1-3c_2+2c_3=u_2$$



I'm stuck in this one. Don't know what I'm supposed to do here?



Please help! Thanks.







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  • They all span $;Bbb R^2;$ . In the last one is enough you take any two of those three vectors to span the whole plane.
    – DonAntonio
    Nov 23 at 1:42










  • @DonAntonio: Case (b) has been corrected, which unfortunately invalidates your comment.
    – TonyK
    Nov 23 at 1:54




















  • They all span $;Bbb R^2;$ . In the last one is enough you take any two of those three vectors to span the whole plane.
    – DonAntonio
    Nov 23 at 1:42










  • @DonAntonio: Case (b) has been corrected, which unfortunately invalidates your comment.
    – TonyK
    Nov 23 at 1:54


















They all span $;Bbb R^2;$ . In the last one is enough you take any two of those three vectors to span the whole plane.
– DonAntonio
Nov 23 at 1:42




They all span $;Bbb R^2;$ . In the last one is enough you take any two of those three vectors to span the whole plane.
– DonAntonio
Nov 23 at 1:42












@DonAntonio: Case (b) has been corrected, which unfortunately invalidates your comment.
– TonyK
Nov 23 at 1:54






@DonAntonio: Case (b) has been corrected, which unfortunately invalidates your comment.
– TonyK
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You seem to want to prove (a) and (c) twice! First, you give an explicit way of expressing $u$ in terms of the elements of $S$; this proves that $S$ is a spanning set. Then, you compute the determinant of the coefficient matrix; this is non-zero, which also proves that $S$ is a spanning set.



You only need one of these!



In case (b), the determinant is zero, therefore $S$ is not a spanning set.



In case (d), it is enough to pick two elements of $S$ and show that they constitute a spanning set. Then $S$ surely is a spanning set.






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    Hint: If $V $ is a finite dimensional vector space with $dimV=n$,then any subset of $V $ which contains more than $n$ vectors is linearly dependent. So for the last case,it is enough to check whether any two vectors span $mathbb{R}^2$.Other cases seem right to me.






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      To determine whether a set spans vector space, all you need to do is to show that every element in that vector space can be written as a linear combination of the elements in the span, this is due to the definition of a spanning set. Furthermore, I will not prove it, but you should try to prove it, it is that if you have n vectors from $F^n$ that span a subspace (or a vector space, since every vector space is its own subspace) then you can put them in a matrix and perform elementary row operations on them, the new set still spans the same space. So, to show a set spans $R^2$, you can show that that spanning set is equal to the spanning set consisting of (1,0) and (0,1), the standard bases. But they don't have to be (1,0) and (0,1).






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      • in letter b) I make a matrix with that equation system... $begin{bmatrix} 0 & 1 & u_{1}\ 0 & 1 & u_{2}\ end{bmatrix}$ by row reduction I get $begin{bmatrix} 0 & 1 & u_{1}\ 0 & 0 & u_{1}-u_{2}\ end{bmatrix}$ How do I know here if actually system is inconsistent or dependent?
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      • You're trying to find a solution for (x,y)=a(0,0)+b(1,1), write that in a matrix, then compute the determinant, is the determinant 0 or non zero? You also know that span((0,0),(1,1))=span((1,1)) so can (1,1) be a spanning set for $R^2$?
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      • Yes... look up.. I did that.... determinant is 0. So either I get no solution or infinite solution... But how do I know if is no solution or infinite solution? I try row reduction.. but still don't know is is inconsistent or dependent because I dont know the value of $u_1$ or $u_2$. Because if is infinite solution it will span, but if there's not a solution, it will not span.
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      • It has to be inconsistent because if you set up the matrix of coefficients youll see that you'll have a 0 row on the left hand side and and arbitrary element on the right, so it's inconsistent. To check, span((0,0),(1,1)) = span((1,1)) which cannot span $R^2$.
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      You seem to want to prove (a) and (c) twice! First, you give an explicit way of expressing $u$ in terms of the elements of $S$; this proves that $S$ is a spanning set. Then, you compute the determinant of the coefficient matrix; this is non-zero, which also proves that $S$ is a spanning set.



      You only need one of these!



      In case (b), the determinant is zero, therefore $S$ is not a spanning set.



      In case (d), it is enough to pick two elements of $S$ and show that they constitute a spanning set. Then $S$ surely is a spanning set.






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        You seem to want to prove (a) and (c) twice! First, you give an explicit way of expressing $u$ in terms of the elements of $S$; this proves that $S$ is a spanning set. Then, you compute the determinant of the coefficient matrix; this is non-zero, which also proves that $S$ is a spanning set.



        You only need one of these!



        In case (b), the determinant is zero, therefore $S$ is not a spanning set.



        In case (d), it is enough to pick two elements of $S$ and show that they constitute a spanning set. Then $S$ surely is a spanning set.






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          You seem to want to prove (a) and (c) twice! First, you give an explicit way of expressing $u$ in terms of the elements of $S$; this proves that $S$ is a spanning set. Then, you compute the determinant of the coefficient matrix; this is non-zero, which also proves that $S$ is a spanning set.



          You only need one of these!



          In case (b), the determinant is zero, therefore $S$ is not a spanning set.



          In case (d), it is enough to pick two elements of $S$ and show that they constitute a spanning set. Then $S$ surely is a spanning set.






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          You seem to want to prove (a) and (c) twice! First, you give an explicit way of expressing $u$ in terms of the elements of $S$; this proves that $S$ is a spanning set. Then, you compute the determinant of the coefficient matrix; this is non-zero, which also proves that $S$ is a spanning set.



          You only need one of these!



          In case (b), the determinant is zero, therefore $S$ is not a spanning set.



          In case (d), it is enough to pick two elements of $S$ and show that they constitute a spanning set. Then $S$ surely is a spanning set.







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              Hint: If $V $ is a finite dimensional vector space with $dimV=n$,then any subset of $V $ which contains more than $n$ vectors is linearly dependent. So for the last case,it is enough to check whether any two vectors span $mathbb{R}^2$.Other cases seem right to me.






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                Hint: If $V $ is a finite dimensional vector space with $dimV=n$,then any subset of $V $ which contains more than $n$ vectors is linearly dependent. So for the last case,it is enough to check whether any two vectors span $mathbb{R}^2$.Other cases seem right to me.






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                  Hint: If $V $ is a finite dimensional vector space with $dimV=n$,then any subset of $V $ which contains more than $n$ vectors is linearly dependent. So for the last case,it is enough to check whether any two vectors span $mathbb{R}^2$.Other cases seem right to me.






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                  Hint: If $V $ is a finite dimensional vector space with $dimV=n$,then any subset of $V $ which contains more than $n$ vectors is linearly dependent. So for the last case,it is enough to check whether any two vectors span $mathbb{R}^2$.Other cases seem right to me.







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                      To determine whether a set spans vector space, all you need to do is to show that every element in that vector space can be written as a linear combination of the elements in the span, this is due to the definition of a spanning set. Furthermore, I will not prove it, but you should try to prove it, it is that if you have n vectors from $F^n$ that span a subspace (or a vector space, since every vector space is its own subspace) then you can put them in a matrix and perform elementary row operations on them, the new set still spans the same space. So, to show a set spans $R^2$, you can show that that spanning set is equal to the spanning set consisting of (1,0) and (0,1), the standard bases. But they don't have to be (1,0) and (0,1).






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                      • in letter b) I make a matrix with that equation system... $begin{bmatrix} 0 & 1 & u_{1}\ 0 & 1 & u_{2}\ end{bmatrix}$ by row reduction I get $begin{bmatrix} 0 & 1 & u_{1}\ 0 & 0 & u_{1}-u_{2}\ end{bmatrix}$ How do I know here if actually system is inconsistent or dependent?
                        – gi2302
                        Nov 26 at 4:40










                      • You're trying to find a solution for (x,y)=a(0,0)+b(1,1), write that in a matrix, then compute the determinant, is the determinant 0 or non zero? You also know that span((0,0),(1,1))=span((1,1)) so can (1,1) be a spanning set for $R^2$?
                        – maths researcher
                        Nov 26 at 13:51












                      • Yes... look up.. I did that.... determinant is 0. So either I get no solution or infinite solution... But how do I know if is no solution or infinite solution? I try row reduction.. but still don't know is is inconsistent or dependent because I dont know the value of $u_1$ or $u_2$. Because if is infinite solution it will span, but if there's not a solution, it will not span.
                        – gi2302
                        Nov 26 at 14:28










                      • It has to be inconsistent because if you set up the matrix of coefficients youll see that you'll have a 0 row on the left hand side and and arbitrary element on the right, so it's inconsistent. To check, span((0,0),(1,1)) = span((1,1)) which cannot span $R^2$.
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                        Nov 26 at 17:29















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                      To determine whether a set spans vector space, all you need to do is to show that every element in that vector space can be written as a linear combination of the elements in the span, this is due to the definition of a spanning set. Furthermore, I will not prove it, but you should try to prove it, it is that if you have n vectors from $F^n$ that span a subspace (or a vector space, since every vector space is its own subspace) then you can put them in a matrix and perform elementary row operations on them, the new set still spans the same space. So, to show a set spans $R^2$, you can show that that spanning set is equal to the spanning set consisting of (1,0) and (0,1), the standard bases. But they don't have to be (1,0) and (0,1).






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                      • in letter b) I make a matrix with that equation system... $begin{bmatrix} 0 & 1 & u_{1}\ 0 & 1 & u_{2}\ end{bmatrix}$ by row reduction I get $begin{bmatrix} 0 & 1 & u_{1}\ 0 & 0 & u_{1}-u_{2}\ end{bmatrix}$ How do I know here if actually system is inconsistent or dependent?
                        – gi2302
                        Nov 26 at 4:40










                      • You're trying to find a solution for (x,y)=a(0,0)+b(1,1), write that in a matrix, then compute the determinant, is the determinant 0 or non zero? You also know that span((0,0),(1,1))=span((1,1)) so can (1,1) be a spanning set for $R^2$?
                        – maths researcher
                        Nov 26 at 13:51












                      • Yes... look up.. I did that.... determinant is 0. So either I get no solution or infinite solution... But how do I know if is no solution or infinite solution? I try row reduction.. but still don't know is is inconsistent or dependent because I dont know the value of $u_1$ or $u_2$. Because if is infinite solution it will span, but if there's not a solution, it will not span.
                        – gi2302
                        Nov 26 at 14:28










                      • It has to be inconsistent because if you set up the matrix of coefficients youll see that you'll have a 0 row on the left hand side and and arbitrary element on the right, so it's inconsistent. To check, span((0,0),(1,1)) = span((1,1)) which cannot span $R^2$.
                        – maths researcher
                        Nov 26 at 17:29













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                      To determine whether a set spans vector space, all you need to do is to show that every element in that vector space can be written as a linear combination of the elements in the span, this is due to the definition of a spanning set. Furthermore, I will not prove it, but you should try to prove it, it is that if you have n vectors from $F^n$ that span a subspace (or a vector space, since every vector space is its own subspace) then you can put them in a matrix and perform elementary row operations on them, the new set still spans the same space. So, to show a set spans $R^2$, you can show that that spanning set is equal to the spanning set consisting of (1,0) and (0,1), the standard bases. But they don't have to be (1,0) and (0,1).






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                      To determine whether a set spans vector space, all you need to do is to show that every element in that vector space can be written as a linear combination of the elements in the span, this is due to the definition of a spanning set. Furthermore, I will not prove it, but you should try to prove it, it is that if you have n vectors from $F^n$ that span a subspace (or a vector space, since every vector space is its own subspace) then you can put them in a matrix and perform elementary row operations on them, the new set still spans the same space. So, to show a set spans $R^2$, you can show that that spanning set is equal to the spanning set consisting of (1,0) and (0,1), the standard bases. But they don't have to be (1,0) and (0,1).







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                      • in letter b) I make a matrix with that equation system... $begin{bmatrix} 0 & 1 & u_{1}\ 0 & 1 & u_{2}\ end{bmatrix}$ by row reduction I get $begin{bmatrix} 0 & 1 & u_{1}\ 0 & 0 & u_{1}-u_{2}\ end{bmatrix}$ How do I know here if actually system is inconsistent or dependent?
                        – gi2302
                        Nov 26 at 4:40










                      • You're trying to find a solution for (x,y)=a(0,0)+b(1,1), write that in a matrix, then compute the determinant, is the determinant 0 or non zero? You also know that span((0,0),(1,1))=span((1,1)) so can (1,1) be a spanning set for $R^2$?
                        – maths researcher
                        Nov 26 at 13:51












                      • Yes... look up.. I did that.... determinant is 0. So either I get no solution or infinite solution... But how do I know if is no solution or infinite solution? I try row reduction.. but still don't know is is inconsistent or dependent because I dont know the value of $u_1$ or $u_2$. Because if is infinite solution it will span, but if there's not a solution, it will not span.
                        – gi2302
                        Nov 26 at 14:28










                      • It has to be inconsistent because if you set up the matrix of coefficients youll see that you'll have a 0 row on the left hand side and and arbitrary element on the right, so it's inconsistent. To check, span((0,0),(1,1)) = span((1,1)) which cannot span $R^2$.
                        – maths researcher
                        Nov 26 at 17:29


















                      • in letter b) I make a matrix with that equation system... $begin{bmatrix} 0 & 1 & u_{1}\ 0 & 1 & u_{2}\ end{bmatrix}$ by row reduction I get $begin{bmatrix} 0 & 1 & u_{1}\ 0 & 0 & u_{1}-u_{2}\ end{bmatrix}$ How do I know here if actually system is inconsistent or dependent?
                        – gi2302
                        Nov 26 at 4:40










                      • You're trying to find a solution for (x,y)=a(0,0)+b(1,1), write that in a matrix, then compute the determinant, is the determinant 0 or non zero? You also know that span((0,0),(1,1))=span((1,1)) so can (1,1) be a spanning set for $R^2$?
                        – maths researcher
                        Nov 26 at 13:51












                      • Yes... look up.. I did that.... determinant is 0. So either I get no solution or infinite solution... But how do I know if is no solution or infinite solution? I try row reduction.. but still don't know is is inconsistent or dependent because I dont know the value of $u_1$ or $u_2$. Because if is infinite solution it will span, but if there's not a solution, it will not span.
                        – gi2302
                        Nov 26 at 14:28










                      • It has to be inconsistent because if you set up the matrix of coefficients youll see that you'll have a 0 row on the left hand side and and arbitrary element on the right, so it's inconsistent. To check, span((0,0),(1,1)) = span((1,1)) which cannot span $R^2$.
                        – maths researcher
                        Nov 26 at 17:29
















                      in letter b) I make a matrix with that equation system... $begin{bmatrix} 0 & 1 & u_{1}\ 0 & 1 & u_{2}\ end{bmatrix}$ by row reduction I get $begin{bmatrix} 0 & 1 & u_{1}\ 0 & 0 & u_{1}-u_{2}\ end{bmatrix}$ How do I know here if actually system is inconsistent or dependent?
                      – gi2302
                      Nov 26 at 4:40




                      in letter b) I make a matrix with that equation system... $begin{bmatrix} 0 & 1 & u_{1}\ 0 & 1 & u_{2}\ end{bmatrix}$ by row reduction I get $begin{bmatrix} 0 & 1 & u_{1}\ 0 & 0 & u_{1}-u_{2}\ end{bmatrix}$ How do I know here if actually system is inconsistent or dependent?
                      – gi2302
                      Nov 26 at 4:40












                      You're trying to find a solution for (x,y)=a(0,0)+b(1,1), write that in a matrix, then compute the determinant, is the determinant 0 or non zero? You also know that span((0,0),(1,1))=span((1,1)) so can (1,1) be a spanning set for $R^2$?
                      – maths researcher
                      Nov 26 at 13:51






                      You're trying to find a solution for (x,y)=a(0,0)+b(1,1), write that in a matrix, then compute the determinant, is the determinant 0 or non zero? You also know that span((0,0),(1,1))=span((1,1)) so can (1,1) be a spanning set for $R^2$?
                      – maths researcher
                      Nov 26 at 13:51














                      Yes... look up.. I did that.... determinant is 0. So either I get no solution or infinite solution... But how do I know if is no solution or infinite solution? I try row reduction.. but still don't know is is inconsistent or dependent because I dont know the value of $u_1$ or $u_2$. Because if is infinite solution it will span, but if there's not a solution, it will not span.
                      – gi2302
                      Nov 26 at 14:28




                      Yes... look up.. I did that.... determinant is 0. So either I get no solution or infinite solution... But how do I know if is no solution or infinite solution? I try row reduction.. but still don't know is is inconsistent or dependent because I dont know the value of $u_1$ or $u_2$. Because if is infinite solution it will span, but if there's not a solution, it will not span.
                      – gi2302
                      Nov 26 at 14:28












                      It has to be inconsistent because if you set up the matrix of coefficients youll see that you'll have a 0 row on the left hand side and and arbitrary element on the right, so it's inconsistent. To check, span((0,0),(1,1)) = span((1,1)) which cannot span $R^2$.
                      – maths researcher
                      Nov 26 at 17:29




                      It has to be inconsistent because if you set up the matrix of coefficients youll see that you'll have a 0 row on the left hand side and and arbitrary element on the right, so it's inconsistent. To check, span((0,0),(1,1)) = span((1,1)) which cannot span $R^2$.
                      – maths researcher
                      Nov 26 at 17:29


















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