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Let $I_n$ and $J_k$ be sequences of bounded intervals. $I_n$ are pairwise disjoint and $J_k$ are open. $ell(I)$ denotes the length of the bounded interval $I$.



Suppose $bigcup_{n=1}^NI_nsubsetbigcup_{k=1}^infty J_k$. Then the $J_k$ form an open cover for the set $bigcup_{n=1}^N I_n$.



Suppose $sum_{n=1}^Nell(I_n)>sum_{k=1}^Mell(J_k)$, for any $M$. Prove that the sets ($J_k$) form an open cover for $bigcup_{n=1}^N I_n$ that admits no finite subcover.










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  • What is $ell$? Lebesgue measure? Are these subsets of $mathbb{R}^m$?
    – freakish
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  • $ell$ is the length of each (bounded) interval.
    – Thomas
    Nov 29 at 15:24










  • Ok, so these are intervals in $mathbb{R}$. Another thing is that your inequality cannot possibly hold for any $M$, more precisely it doesn't hold for $Mgeq N$, right?
    – freakish
    Nov 29 at 15:26












  • There was a typo which I have now fixed.
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    Nov 29 at 15:28










  • Every open set in the real line is a union of disjoint open intervals. Every interval is connected. So if $cup_{n=1}^N I_n$ was in $cup_{i=1}^M J_i$ for some $M$, each $I_i$ would be in an open interval because of being connected, and that would contradict your hypothesis about their lengths
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Let $I_n$ and $J_k$ be sequences of bounded intervals. $I_n$ are pairwise disjoint and $J_k$ are open. $ell(I)$ denotes the length of the bounded interval $I$.



Suppose $bigcup_{n=1}^NI_nsubsetbigcup_{k=1}^infty J_k$. Then the $J_k$ form an open cover for the set $bigcup_{n=1}^N I_n$.



Suppose $sum_{n=1}^Nell(I_n)>sum_{k=1}^Mell(J_k)$, for any $M$. Prove that the sets ($J_k$) form an open cover for $bigcup_{n=1}^N I_n$ that admits no finite subcover.










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  • What is $ell$? Lebesgue measure? Are these subsets of $mathbb{R}^m$?
    – freakish
    Nov 29 at 15:23










  • $ell$ is the length of each (bounded) interval.
    – Thomas
    Nov 29 at 15:24










  • Ok, so these are intervals in $mathbb{R}$. Another thing is that your inequality cannot possibly hold for any $M$, more precisely it doesn't hold for $Mgeq N$, right?
    – freakish
    Nov 29 at 15:26












  • There was a typo which I have now fixed.
    – Thomas
    Nov 29 at 15:28










  • Every open set in the real line is a union of disjoint open intervals. Every interval is connected. So if $cup_{n=1}^N I_n$ was in $cup_{i=1}^M J_i$ for some $M$, each $I_i$ would be in an open interval because of being connected, and that would contradict your hypothesis about their lengths
    – User12239
    Nov 29 at 15:37
















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Let $I_n$ and $J_k$ be sequences of bounded intervals. $I_n$ are pairwise disjoint and $J_k$ are open. $ell(I)$ denotes the length of the bounded interval $I$.



Suppose $bigcup_{n=1}^NI_nsubsetbigcup_{k=1}^infty J_k$. Then the $J_k$ form an open cover for the set $bigcup_{n=1}^N I_n$.



Suppose $sum_{n=1}^Nell(I_n)>sum_{k=1}^Mell(J_k)$, for any $M$. Prove that the sets ($J_k$) form an open cover for $bigcup_{n=1}^N I_n$ that admits no finite subcover.










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Let $I_n$ and $J_k$ be sequences of bounded intervals. $I_n$ are pairwise disjoint and $J_k$ are open. $ell(I)$ denotes the length of the bounded interval $I$.



Suppose $bigcup_{n=1}^NI_nsubsetbigcup_{k=1}^infty J_k$. Then the $J_k$ form an open cover for the set $bigcup_{n=1}^N I_n$.



Suppose $sum_{n=1}^Nell(I_n)>sum_{k=1}^Mell(J_k)$, for any $M$. Prove that the sets ($J_k$) form an open cover for $bigcup_{n=1}^N I_n$ that admits no finite subcover.







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  • What is $ell$? Lebesgue measure? Are these subsets of $mathbb{R}^m$?
    – freakish
    Nov 29 at 15:23










  • $ell$ is the length of each (bounded) interval.
    – Thomas
    Nov 29 at 15:24










  • Ok, so these are intervals in $mathbb{R}$. Another thing is that your inequality cannot possibly hold for any $M$, more precisely it doesn't hold for $Mgeq N$, right?
    – freakish
    Nov 29 at 15:26












  • There was a typo which I have now fixed.
    – Thomas
    Nov 29 at 15:28










  • Every open set in the real line is a union of disjoint open intervals. Every interval is connected. So if $cup_{n=1}^N I_n$ was in $cup_{i=1}^M J_i$ for some $M$, each $I_i$ would be in an open interval because of being connected, and that would contradict your hypothesis about their lengths
    – User12239
    Nov 29 at 15:37




















  • What is $ell$? Lebesgue measure? Are these subsets of $mathbb{R}^m$?
    – freakish
    Nov 29 at 15:23










  • $ell$ is the length of each (bounded) interval.
    – Thomas
    Nov 29 at 15:24










  • Ok, so these are intervals in $mathbb{R}$. Another thing is that your inequality cannot possibly hold for any $M$, more precisely it doesn't hold for $Mgeq N$, right?
    – freakish
    Nov 29 at 15:26












  • There was a typo which I have now fixed.
    – Thomas
    Nov 29 at 15:28










  • Every open set in the real line is a union of disjoint open intervals. Every interval is connected. So if $cup_{n=1}^N I_n$ was in $cup_{i=1}^M J_i$ for some $M$, each $I_i$ would be in an open interval because of being connected, and that would contradict your hypothesis about their lengths
    – User12239
    Nov 29 at 15:37


















What is $ell$? Lebesgue measure? Are these subsets of $mathbb{R}^m$?
– freakish
Nov 29 at 15:23




What is $ell$? Lebesgue measure? Are these subsets of $mathbb{R}^m$?
– freakish
Nov 29 at 15:23












$ell$ is the length of each (bounded) interval.
– Thomas
Nov 29 at 15:24




$ell$ is the length of each (bounded) interval.
– Thomas
Nov 29 at 15:24












Ok, so these are intervals in $mathbb{R}$. Another thing is that your inequality cannot possibly hold for any $M$, more precisely it doesn't hold for $Mgeq N$, right?
– freakish
Nov 29 at 15:26






Ok, so these are intervals in $mathbb{R}$. Another thing is that your inequality cannot possibly hold for any $M$, more precisely it doesn't hold for $Mgeq N$, right?
– freakish
Nov 29 at 15:26














There was a typo which I have now fixed.
– Thomas
Nov 29 at 15:28




There was a typo which I have now fixed.
– Thomas
Nov 29 at 15:28












Every open set in the real line is a union of disjoint open intervals. Every interval is connected. So if $cup_{n=1}^N I_n$ was in $cup_{i=1}^M J_i$ for some $M$, each $I_i$ would be in an open interval because of being connected, and that would contradict your hypothesis about their lengths
– User12239
Nov 29 at 15:37






Every open set in the real line is a union of disjoint open intervals. Every interval is connected. So if $cup_{n=1}^N I_n$ was in $cup_{i=1}^M J_i$ for some $M$, each $I_i$ would be in an open interval because of being connected, and that would contradict your hypothesis about their lengths
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Below is an argument for proving the statements with the given assumptions, but perhaps more interesting is the question of whether or not the assumptions can ever be satisfied, raised by @freakish in the comments. I believe the following argument shows they cannot hold as stated, so the statement is vacuously true.



Suppose there is a disjoint family of intervals $I_1$, $ldots$, $I_N$ and open intervals $J_1,ldots$ such that $bigcup_{n=1}^N I_n subseteq bigcup_{m=1}^{infty} J_m$ and yet $sum_{n=1}^N ell(I_n)>sum_{m=1}^M ell(J_m)$ for any $M$.



Let me dip into measure theory so that this argument isn't too clunky; I'll use $ell$ for Lebesque measure. It follows (taking limits) that $ell(bigcup I_n)= sum_{n=1}^N ell(I_n)geq sum_{m=1}^infty ell(J_m)geq ell(bigcup_{m=1}^{infty} J_m)geqell(bigcup I_n)$,
thus $ell(bigcup I_n)=sum_{m=1}^infty ell(J_m)=ell(bigcup_{m=1}^{infty} J_m)$. But since the $J_m$ are open intervals, this last equality is only possible if they are pairwise disjoint. (Otherwise, the series would be strictly larger by at least the length of any intersection.)



But if the $J_m$ are disjoint and open, they can only cover an interval $I_n$ if $I_nsubseteq J_m$ for some $m$ (otherwise, an interior endpoint of a $J_m$ is not covered), hence $I_n=J_m$ for some $m$.
But this leads to several contradictions (the cover must be finite and equal to $I$ and the inequality cannot hold).





Note that it suffices to show that the families $J_1,ldots, J_M$ do not cover $bigcup I_n$; any finite subcover includes a set $J_M$ of maximal index, and adding the finitely many missing sets $J_i$ with $i<M$ to the cover does not change it being a finite subcover.



We proceed by contradiction. Suppose there is an $M$ for which $bigcup_{n=1}^N I_nsubseteq bigcup_{m=1}^M J_m$. Let $J_{m,n}=J_mcap I_n$. Note that since $I_n$ and $J_m$ are intervals, $J_{m,n}$ is an interval thus we can consider $ell(J_{m,n})$. Since the $I_n$ are disjoint, so are the $J_{m,n}$ and thus $ell(J_m)=sum_{n=1}^N ell(J_{m,n})$.



On the other hand, since $I_nsubseteq bigcup_{m=1}^M J_m$, in particular
$I_n=bigcup_{m=1}^M J_{m,n}$, so $ell(I_n)leq sum_{m=1}^M ell(J_{m,n})$.
But then $$sum_{n=1}^N ell(I_n)leq sum_{n=1}^Nsum_{m=1}^Mell(J_{m,n})=sum_{m=1}^Msum_{n=1}^Nell(J_{m,n})=sum_{m=1}^Mell(J_m)$$
which contradicts the assumption that $sum_{n=1}^N ell(I_n)>sum_{m=1}^M ell(J_m)$.






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    Suppose $bigcup_{k=1}^N I_n subset bigcup_{k=1}^M J_k$ for some $M in mathbb{N}$, then we have
    $$lambda(bigcup_{k=1}^N I_n) = sum_{k=1}^N lambda(I_n),$$
    because the intervals $I_1,ldots,I_N$ are disjoint. On the otherhand, we have
    $$lambda(bigcup_{k=1}^N I_n) le lambda(bigcup_{k=1}^M J_m) le sum_{k=1}^M lambda(J_k)$$
    by monotonicity of measures and sub-additivity of measures. This is impossible, because
    $$ sum_{k=1}^N lambda(I_n)> sum_{k=1}^M lambda(J_k)$$
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      Below is an argument for proving the statements with the given assumptions, but perhaps more interesting is the question of whether or not the assumptions can ever be satisfied, raised by @freakish in the comments. I believe the following argument shows they cannot hold as stated, so the statement is vacuously true.



      Suppose there is a disjoint family of intervals $I_1$, $ldots$, $I_N$ and open intervals $J_1,ldots$ such that $bigcup_{n=1}^N I_n subseteq bigcup_{m=1}^{infty} J_m$ and yet $sum_{n=1}^N ell(I_n)>sum_{m=1}^M ell(J_m)$ for any $M$.



      Let me dip into measure theory so that this argument isn't too clunky; I'll use $ell$ for Lebesque measure. It follows (taking limits) that $ell(bigcup I_n)= sum_{n=1}^N ell(I_n)geq sum_{m=1}^infty ell(J_m)geq ell(bigcup_{m=1}^{infty} J_m)geqell(bigcup I_n)$,
      thus $ell(bigcup I_n)=sum_{m=1}^infty ell(J_m)=ell(bigcup_{m=1}^{infty} J_m)$. But since the $J_m$ are open intervals, this last equality is only possible if they are pairwise disjoint. (Otherwise, the series would be strictly larger by at least the length of any intersection.)



      But if the $J_m$ are disjoint and open, they can only cover an interval $I_n$ if $I_nsubseteq J_m$ for some $m$ (otherwise, an interior endpoint of a $J_m$ is not covered), hence $I_n=J_m$ for some $m$.
      But this leads to several contradictions (the cover must be finite and equal to $I$ and the inequality cannot hold).





      Note that it suffices to show that the families $J_1,ldots, J_M$ do not cover $bigcup I_n$; any finite subcover includes a set $J_M$ of maximal index, and adding the finitely many missing sets $J_i$ with $i<M$ to the cover does not change it being a finite subcover.



      We proceed by contradiction. Suppose there is an $M$ for which $bigcup_{n=1}^N I_nsubseteq bigcup_{m=1}^M J_m$. Let $J_{m,n}=J_mcap I_n$. Note that since $I_n$ and $J_m$ are intervals, $J_{m,n}$ is an interval thus we can consider $ell(J_{m,n})$. Since the $I_n$ are disjoint, so are the $J_{m,n}$ and thus $ell(J_m)=sum_{n=1}^N ell(J_{m,n})$.



      On the other hand, since $I_nsubseteq bigcup_{m=1}^M J_m$, in particular
      $I_n=bigcup_{m=1}^M J_{m,n}$, so $ell(I_n)leq sum_{m=1}^M ell(J_{m,n})$.
      But then $$sum_{n=1}^N ell(I_n)leq sum_{n=1}^Nsum_{m=1}^Mell(J_{m,n})=sum_{m=1}^Msum_{n=1}^Nell(J_{m,n})=sum_{m=1}^Mell(J_m)$$
      which contradicts the assumption that $sum_{n=1}^N ell(I_n)>sum_{m=1}^M ell(J_m)$.






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        Below is an argument for proving the statements with the given assumptions, but perhaps more interesting is the question of whether or not the assumptions can ever be satisfied, raised by @freakish in the comments. I believe the following argument shows they cannot hold as stated, so the statement is vacuously true.



        Suppose there is a disjoint family of intervals $I_1$, $ldots$, $I_N$ and open intervals $J_1,ldots$ such that $bigcup_{n=1}^N I_n subseteq bigcup_{m=1}^{infty} J_m$ and yet $sum_{n=1}^N ell(I_n)>sum_{m=1}^M ell(J_m)$ for any $M$.



        Let me dip into measure theory so that this argument isn't too clunky; I'll use $ell$ for Lebesque measure. It follows (taking limits) that $ell(bigcup I_n)= sum_{n=1}^N ell(I_n)geq sum_{m=1}^infty ell(J_m)geq ell(bigcup_{m=1}^{infty} J_m)geqell(bigcup I_n)$,
        thus $ell(bigcup I_n)=sum_{m=1}^infty ell(J_m)=ell(bigcup_{m=1}^{infty} J_m)$. But since the $J_m$ are open intervals, this last equality is only possible if they are pairwise disjoint. (Otherwise, the series would be strictly larger by at least the length of any intersection.)



        But if the $J_m$ are disjoint and open, they can only cover an interval $I_n$ if $I_nsubseteq J_m$ for some $m$ (otherwise, an interior endpoint of a $J_m$ is not covered), hence $I_n=J_m$ for some $m$.
        But this leads to several contradictions (the cover must be finite and equal to $I$ and the inequality cannot hold).





        Note that it suffices to show that the families $J_1,ldots, J_M$ do not cover $bigcup I_n$; any finite subcover includes a set $J_M$ of maximal index, and adding the finitely many missing sets $J_i$ with $i<M$ to the cover does not change it being a finite subcover.



        We proceed by contradiction. Suppose there is an $M$ for which $bigcup_{n=1}^N I_nsubseteq bigcup_{m=1}^M J_m$. Let $J_{m,n}=J_mcap I_n$. Note that since $I_n$ and $J_m$ are intervals, $J_{m,n}$ is an interval thus we can consider $ell(J_{m,n})$. Since the $I_n$ are disjoint, so are the $J_{m,n}$ and thus $ell(J_m)=sum_{n=1}^N ell(J_{m,n})$.



        On the other hand, since $I_nsubseteq bigcup_{m=1}^M J_m$, in particular
        $I_n=bigcup_{m=1}^M J_{m,n}$, so $ell(I_n)leq sum_{m=1}^M ell(J_{m,n})$.
        But then $$sum_{n=1}^N ell(I_n)leq sum_{n=1}^Nsum_{m=1}^Mell(J_{m,n})=sum_{m=1}^Msum_{n=1}^Nell(J_{m,n})=sum_{m=1}^Mell(J_m)$$
        which contradicts the assumption that $sum_{n=1}^N ell(I_n)>sum_{m=1}^M ell(J_m)$.






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          Below is an argument for proving the statements with the given assumptions, but perhaps more interesting is the question of whether or not the assumptions can ever be satisfied, raised by @freakish in the comments. I believe the following argument shows they cannot hold as stated, so the statement is vacuously true.



          Suppose there is a disjoint family of intervals $I_1$, $ldots$, $I_N$ and open intervals $J_1,ldots$ such that $bigcup_{n=1}^N I_n subseteq bigcup_{m=1}^{infty} J_m$ and yet $sum_{n=1}^N ell(I_n)>sum_{m=1}^M ell(J_m)$ for any $M$.



          Let me dip into measure theory so that this argument isn't too clunky; I'll use $ell$ for Lebesque measure. It follows (taking limits) that $ell(bigcup I_n)= sum_{n=1}^N ell(I_n)geq sum_{m=1}^infty ell(J_m)geq ell(bigcup_{m=1}^{infty} J_m)geqell(bigcup I_n)$,
          thus $ell(bigcup I_n)=sum_{m=1}^infty ell(J_m)=ell(bigcup_{m=1}^{infty} J_m)$. But since the $J_m$ are open intervals, this last equality is only possible if they are pairwise disjoint. (Otherwise, the series would be strictly larger by at least the length of any intersection.)



          But if the $J_m$ are disjoint and open, they can only cover an interval $I_n$ if $I_nsubseteq J_m$ for some $m$ (otherwise, an interior endpoint of a $J_m$ is not covered), hence $I_n=J_m$ for some $m$.
          But this leads to several contradictions (the cover must be finite and equal to $I$ and the inequality cannot hold).





          Note that it suffices to show that the families $J_1,ldots, J_M$ do not cover $bigcup I_n$; any finite subcover includes a set $J_M$ of maximal index, and adding the finitely many missing sets $J_i$ with $i<M$ to the cover does not change it being a finite subcover.



          We proceed by contradiction. Suppose there is an $M$ for which $bigcup_{n=1}^N I_nsubseteq bigcup_{m=1}^M J_m$. Let $J_{m,n}=J_mcap I_n$. Note that since $I_n$ and $J_m$ are intervals, $J_{m,n}$ is an interval thus we can consider $ell(J_{m,n})$. Since the $I_n$ are disjoint, so are the $J_{m,n}$ and thus $ell(J_m)=sum_{n=1}^N ell(J_{m,n})$.



          On the other hand, since $I_nsubseteq bigcup_{m=1}^M J_m$, in particular
          $I_n=bigcup_{m=1}^M J_{m,n}$, so $ell(I_n)leq sum_{m=1}^M ell(J_{m,n})$.
          But then $$sum_{n=1}^N ell(I_n)leq sum_{n=1}^Nsum_{m=1}^Mell(J_{m,n})=sum_{m=1}^Msum_{n=1}^Nell(J_{m,n})=sum_{m=1}^Mell(J_m)$$
          which contradicts the assumption that $sum_{n=1}^N ell(I_n)>sum_{m=1}^M ell(J_m)$.






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          Below is an argument for proving the statements with the given assumptions, but perhaps more interesting is the question of whether or not the assumptions can ever be satisfied, raised by @freakish in the comments. I believe the following argument shows they cannot hold as stated, so the statement is vacuously true.



          Suppose there is a disjoint family of intervals $I_1$, $ldots$, $I_N$ and open intervals $J_1,ldots$ such that $bigcup_{n=1}^N I_n subseteq bigcup_{m=1}^{infty} J_m$ and yet $sum_{n=1}^N ell(I_n)>sum_{m=1}^M ell(J_m)$ for any $M$.



          Let me dip into measure theory so that this argument isn't too clunky; I'll use $ell$ for Lebesque measure. It follows (taking limits) that $ell(bigcup I_n)= sum_{n=1}^N ell(I_n)geq sum_{m=1}^infty ell(J_m)geq ell(bigcup_{m=1}^{infty} J_m)geqell(bigcup I_n)$,
          thus $ell(bigcup I_n)=sum_{m=1}^infty ell(J_m)=ell(bigcup_{m=1}^{infty} J_m)$. But since the $J_m$ are open intervals, this last equality is only possible if they are pairwise disjoint. (Otherwise, the series would be strictly larger by at least the length of any intersection.)



          But if the $J_m$ are disjoint and open, they can only cover an interval $I_n$ if $I_nsubseteq J_m$ for some $m$ (otherwise, an interior endpoint of a $J_m$ is not covered), hence $I_n=J_m$ for some $m$.
          But this leads to several contradictions (the cover must be finite and equal to $I$ and the inequality cannot hold).





          Note that it suffices to show that the families $J_1,ldots, J_M$ do not cover $bigcup I_n$; any finite subcover includes a set $J_M$ of maximal index, and adding the finitely many missing sets $J_i$ with $i<M$ to the cover does not change it being a finite subcover.



          We proceed by contradiction. Suppose there is an $M$ for which $bigcup_{n=1}^N I_nsubseteq bigcup_{m=1}^M J_m$. Let $J_{m,n}=J_mcap I_n$. Note that since $I_n$ and $J_m$ are intervals, $J_{m,n}$ is an interval thus we can consider $ell(J_{m,n})$. Since the $I_n$ are disjoint, so are the $J_{m,n}$ and thus $ell(J_m)=sum_{n=1}^N ell(J_{m,n})$.



          On the other hand, since $I_nsubseteq bigcup_{m=1}^M J_m$, in particular
          $I_n=bigcup_{m=1}^M J_{m,n}$, so $ell(I_n)leq sum_{m=1}^M ell(J_{m,n})$.
          But then $$sum_{n=1}^N ell(I_n)leq sum_{n=1}^Nsum_{m=1}^Mell(J_{m,n})=sum_{m=1}^Msum_{n=1}^Nell(J_{m,n})=sum_{m=1}^Mell(J_m)$$
          which contradicts the assumption that $sum_{n=1}^N ell(I_n)>sum_{m=1}^M ell(J_m)$.







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              Suppose $bigcup_{k=1}^N I_n subset bigcup_{k=1}^M J_k$ for some $M in mathbb{N}$, then we have
              $$lambda(bigcup_{k=1}^N I_n) = sum_{k=1}^N lambda(I_n),$$
              because the intervals $I_1,ldots,I_N$ are disjoint. On the otherhand, we have
              $$lambda(bigcup_{k=1}^N I_n) le lambda(bigcup_{k=1}^M J_m) le sum_{k=1}^M lambda(J_k)$$
              by monotonicity of measures and sub-additivity of measures. This is impossible, because
              $$ sum_{k=1}^N lambda(I_n)> sum_{k=1}^M lambda(J_k)$$
              by assumptation.






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                Suppose $bigcup_{k=1}^N I_n subset bigcup_{k=1}^M J_k$ for some $M in mathbb{N}$, then we have
                $$lambda(bigcup_{k=1}^N I_n) = sum_{k=1}^N lambda(I_n),$$
                because the intervals $I_1,ldots,I_N$ are disjoint. On the otherhand, we have
                $$lambda(bigcup_{k=1}^N I_n) le lambda(bigcup_{k=1}^M J_m) le sum_{k=1}^M lambda(J_k)$$
                by monotonicity of measures and sub-additivity of measures. This is impossible, because
                $$ sum_{k=1}^N lambda(I_n)> sum_{k=1}^M lambda(J_k)$$
                by assumptation.






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                  Suppose $bigcup_{k=1}^N I_n subset bigcup_{k=1}^M J_k$ for some $M in mathbb{N}$, then we have
                  $$lambda(bigcup_{k=1}^N I_n) = sum_{k=1}^N lambda(I_n),$$
                  because the intervals $I_1,ldots,I_N$ are disjoint. On the otherhand, we have
                  $$lambda(bigcup_{k=1}^N I_n) le lambda(bigcup_{k=1}^M J_m) le sum_{k=1}^M lambda(J_k)$$
                  by monotonicity of measures and sub-additivity of measures. This is impossible, because
                  $$ sum_{k=1}^N lambda(I_n)> sum_{k=1}^M lambda(J_k)$$
                  by assumptation.






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                  Suppose $bigcup_{k=1}^N I_n subset bigcup_{k=1}^M J_k$ for some $M in mathbb{N}$, then we have
                  $$lambda(bigcup_{k=1}^N I_n) = sum_{k=1}^N lambda(I_n),$$
                  because the intervals $I_1,ldots,I_N$ are disjoint. On the otherhand, we have
                  $$lambda(bigcup_{k=1}^N I_n) le lambda(bigcup_{k=1}^M J_m) le sum_{k=1}^M lambda(J_k)$$
                  by monotonicity of measures and sub-additivity of measures. This is impossible, because
                  $$ sum_{k=1}^N lambda(I_n)> sum_{k=1}^M lambda(J_k)$$
                  by assumptation.







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