How can one simplify $frac 36 + frac {3cdot 5}{6cdot9} + frac{3cdot5cdot7}{6cdot9cdot12}$ up to $infty$?
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How can one simplify $cfrac 36 + cfrac {3cdot 5}{6cdot9} + cfrac{3cdot5cdot7}{6cdot9cdot12}$ up to $infty$?
I am new to the topic so can the community please guide me on the approach one needs to take while attempting such questions?
Things I am aware of:
Permutations and combinations
Factorials and some basic properties that revolve around it.
Some basic results of AP, GP, HP
Basics of summation.
Thanks for reading.
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How can one simplify $cfrac 36 + cfrac {3cdot 5}{6cdot9} + cfrac{3cdot5cdot7}{6cdot9cdot12}$ up to $infty$?
I am new to the topic so can the community please guide me on the approach one needs to take while attempting such questions?
Things I am aware of:
Permutations and combinations
Factorials and some basic properties that revolve around it.
Some basic results of AP, GP, HP
Basics of summation.
Thanks for reading.
sequences-and-series
What does HP mean?
– saulspatz
Feb 7 at 2:47
@saulspatz I mean harmonic progressions.
– Mohil Khare
Feb 7 at 2:49
@saulspatz I also know the binomial expansion of some basic log and e based functions. Will that help in any way? Anyways, thanks for your advice.
– Mohil Khare
Feb 7 at 3:18
Worth noting that the numerator is simply a double factorial whole the denominator is simply a factorial (up to a factor of 1/3^n it would appear). Noting this and using double factorial identities is surely the fastest solution
– Brevan Ellefsen
Feb 7 at 10:43
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How can one simplify $cfrac 36 + cfrac {3cdot 5}{6cdot9} + cfrac{3cdot5cdot7}{6cdot9cdot12}$ up to $infty$?
I am new to the topic so can the community please guide me on the approach one needs to take while attempting such questions?
Things I am aware of:
Permutations and combinations
Factorials and some basic properties that revolve around it.
Some basic results of AP, GP, HP
Basics of summation.
Thanks for reading.
sequences-and-series
How can one simplify $cfrac 36 + cfrac {3cdot 5}{6cdot9} + cfrac{3cdot5cdot7}{6cdot9cdot12}$ up to $infty$?
I am new to the topic so can the community please guide me on the approach one needs to take while attempting such questions?
Things I am aware of:
Permutations and combinations
Factorials and some basic properties that revolve around it.
Some basic results of AP, GP, HP
Basics of summation.
Thanks for reading.
sequences-and-series
sequences-and-series
edited Nov 22 at 13:22
Martin Sleziak
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Mohil Khare
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What does HP mean?
– saulspatz
Feb 7 at 2:47
@saulspatz I mean harmonic progressions.
– Mohil Khare
Feb 7 at 2:49
@saulspatz I also know the binomial expansion of some basic log and e based functions. Will that help in any way? Anyways, thanks for your advice.
– Mohil Khare
Feb 7 at 3:18
Worth noting that the numerator is simply a double factorial whole the denominator is simply a factorial (up to a factor of 1/3^n it would appear). Noting this and using double factorial identities is surely the fastest solution
– Brevan Ellefsen
Feb 7 at 10:43
add a comment |
What does HP mean?
– saulspatz
Feb 7 at 2:47
@saulspatz I mean harmonic progressions.
– Mohil Khare
Feb 7 at 2:49
@saulspatz I also know the binomial expansion of some basic log and e based functions. Will that help in any way? Anyways, thanks for your advice.
– Mohil Khare
Feb 7 at 3:18
Worth noting that the numerator is simply a double factorial whole the denominator is simply a factorial (up to a factor of 1/3^n it would appear). Noting this and using double factorial identities is surely the fastest solution
– Brevan Ellefsen
Feb 7 at 10:43
What does HP mean?
– saulspatz
Feb 7 at 2:47
What does HP mean?
– saulspatz
Feb 7 at 2:47
@saulspatz I mean harmonic progressions.
– Mohil Khare
Feb 7 at 2:49
@saulspatz I mean harmonic progressions.
– Mohil Khare
Feb 7 at 2:49
@saulspatz I also know the binomial expansion of some basic log and e based functions. Will that help in any way? Anyways, thanks for your advice.
– Mohil Khare
Feb 7 at 3:18
@saulspatz I also know the binomial expansion of some basic log and e based functions. Will that help in any way? Anyways, thanks for your advice.
– Mohil Khare
Feb 7 at 3:18
Worth noting that the numerator is simply a double factorial whole the denominator is simply a factorial (up to a factor of 1/3^n it would appear). Noting this and using double factorial identities is surely the fastest solution
– Brevan Ellefsen
Feb 7 at 10:43
Worth noting that the numerator is simply a double factorial whole the denominator is simply a factorial (up to a factor of 1/3^n it would appear). Noting this and using double factorial identities is surely the fastest solution
– Brevan Ellefsen
Feb 7 at 10:43
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Let $$S=cfrac 36 + cfrac {3cdot 5}{6cdot9} + cfrac{3cdot5cdot7}{6cdot9cdot12}cdots cdots infty$$
Then $$frac{S}{3} =frac{1cdot 3}{3cdot 6}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5}{3cdot 6 cdot 9}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5cdot 7}{3cdot 6 cdot 9cdot 12}+cdotscdots$$
So $$1+frac{1}{3}+frac{S}{3} =1+frac{1}{3}+frac{1cdot 3}{3cdot 6}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5}{3cdot 6 cdot 9}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5cdot 7}{3cdot 6 cdot 9cdot 12}+cdotscdots$$
Now campare the right side series
Using Binomial expansion of $$(1-x)^{-n} = 1+nx+frac{n(n+1)}{2}x^2+frac{n(n+1)(n+2)}{6}x^3+.......$$
So we get $$nx=frac{1}{3}$$ and $$frac{nx(nx+x)}{2}=frac{1}{3}cdot frac{3}{6}$$
We get $$frac{1}{3}left(frac{1}{3}+xright)=frac{1}{3}Rightarrow x=frac{2}{3}$$
So we get $$n=frac{1}{2}$$
So our series sum is $$(1-x)^{-n} = left(1-frac{2}{3}right)^{-frac{1}{2}} = sqrt{3}$$
So $$frac{4}{3}+frac{S}{3}=sqrt{3}$$
So $$S=3sqrt{3}-4.$$
1
This is an extremely dangerous way to work with infinite sums. Even if this gives the right answer (I wouldn't be surprised after even a few minutes of looking at Ramanaujans notebooks and seeing the power of un rigorous methods) I am still enclined to believe that teaching someone to prove via this method is quite dangerous
– Brevan Ellefsen
Feb 7 at 10:41
@BrevanEllefsen It's easy to check that it really is the binomial series, but I agree that skipping the verifications with infinite series is dangerous. Think of all those summability methods!
– saulspatz
Feb 7 at 16:09
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Look at the pattern separately for the numerator and denominator. You can write $$3cdot5cdot7cdot...=frac{1cdot2cdot3cdot4cdot5cdot...}{2cdot4cdot6cdot8cdot...}$$
The top part is easy, just a factorial. We deal later what is the correct term for it. For the bottom part of this, you can get a factor of $2$ from each of the numbers, yielding $2^ncdot1cdot2cdot...cdot n$. You will need to employ the same trick for the denominator in the original expression.
So now going back to write the correct $n$-th term. We write the first term in original expression as $$ frac{3}{6}=frac{1cdot2cdot3}{2cdot 1cdot3cdot1cdot2}=frac{3!}{2cdot1!cdot3cdot2!}$$
The next term is $$frac{3cdot5}{6cdot9}=frac{1cdot2cdot3cdot4cdot5}{2cdot4cdot3^2cdot2cdot3}=frac{5!}{2^2cdot2!cdot3^2cdot3!}$$
If I did not make any mistakes, the third term should be $$frac{7!}{2^3cdot3!cdot3^3cdot4!}$$
In general, the $n$-th term then becomes $$frac{(2n+1)!}{2^ncdot n!cdot 3^ncdot(n+1)!}$$
You can further simplify this as $$frac{(2n+1)!}{6^ncdot n!cdot(n+1)!}$$
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2 Answers
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active
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Let $$S=cfrac 36 + cfrac {3cdot 5}{6cdot9} + cfrac{3cdot5cdot7}{6cdot9cdot12}cdots cdots infty$$
Then $$frac{S}{3} =frac{1cdot 3}{3cdot 6}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5}{3cdot 6 cdot 9}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5cdot 7}{3cdot 6 cdot 9cdot 12}+cdotscdots$$
So $$1+frac{1}{3}+frac{S}{3} =1+frac{1}{3}+frac{1cdot 3}{3cdot 6}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5}{3cdot 6 cdot 9}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5cdot 7}{3cdot 6 cdot 9cdot 12}+cdotscdots$$
Now campare the right side series
Using Binomial expansion of $$(1-x)^{-n} = 1+nx+frac{n(n+1)}{2}x^2+frac{n(n+1)(n+2)}{6}x^3+.......$$
So we get $$nx=frac{1}{3}$$ and $$frac{nx(nx+x)}{2}=frac{1}{3}cdot frac{3}{6}$$
We get $$frac{1}{3}left(frac{1}{3}+xright)=frac{1}{3}Rightarrow x=frac{2}{3}$$
So we get $$n=frac{1}{2}$$
So our series sum is $$(1-x)^{-n} = left(1-frac{2}{3}right)^{-frac{1}{2}} = sqrt{3}$$
So $$frac{4}{3}+frac{S}{3}=sqrt{3}$$
So $$S=3sqrt{3}-4.$$
1
This is an extremely dangerous way to work with infinite sums. Even if this gives the right answer (I wouldn't be surprised after even a few minutes of looking at Ramanaujans notebooks and seeing the power of un rigorous methods) I am still enclined to believe that teaching someone to prove via this method is quite dangerous
– Brevan Ellefsen
Feb 7 at 10:41
@BrevanEllefsen It's easy to check that it really is the binomial series, but I agree that skipping the verifications with infinite series is dangerous. Think of all those summability methods!
– saulspatz
Feb 7 at 16:09
add a comment |
up vote
2
down vote
accepted
Let $$S=cfrac 36 + cfrac {3cdot 5}{6cdot9} + cfrac{3cdot5cdot7}{6cdot9cdot12}cdots cdots infty$$
Then $$frac{S}{3} =frac{1cdot 3}{3cdot 6}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5}{3cdot 6 cdot 9}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5cdot 7}{3cdot 6 cdot 9cdot 12}+cdotscdots$$
So $$1+frac{1}{3}+frac{S}{3} =1+frac{1}{3}+frac{1cdot 3}{3cdot 6}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5}{3cdot 6 cdot 9}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5cdot 7}{3cdot 6 cdot 9cdot 12}+cdotscdots$$
Now campare the right side series
Using Binomial expansion of $$(1-x)^{-n} = 1+nx+frac{n(n+1)}{2}x^2+frac{n(n+1)(n+2)}{6}x^3+.......$$
So we get $$nx=frac{1}{3}$$ and $$frac{nx(nx+x)}{2}=frac{1}{3}cdot frac{3}{6}$$
We get $$frac{1}{3}left(frac{1}{3}+xright)=frac{1}{3}Rightarrow x=frac{2}{3}$$
So we get $$n=frac{1}{2}$$
So our series sum is $$(1-x)^{-n} = left(1-frac{2}{3}right)^{-frac{1}{2}} = sqrt{3}$$
So $$frac{4}{3}+frac{S}{3}=sqrt{3}$$
So $$S=3sqrt{3}-4.$$
1
This is an extremely dangerous way to work with infinite sums. Even if this gives the right answer (I wouldn't be surprised after even a few minutes of looking at Ramanaujans notebooks and seeing the power of un rigorous methods) I am still enclined to believe that teaching someone to prove via this method is quite dangerous
– Brevan Ellefsen
Feb 7 at 10:41
@BrevanEllefsen It's easy to check that it really is the binomial series, but I agree that skipping the verifications with infinite series is dangerous. Think of all those summability methods!
– saulspatz
Feb 7 at 16:09
add a comment |
up vote
2
down vote
accepted
up vote
2
down vote
accepted
Let $$S=cfrac 36 + cfrac {3cdot 5}{6cdot9} + cfrac{3cdot5cdot7}{6cdot9cdot12}cdots cdots infty$$
Then $$frac{S}{3} =frac{1cdot 3}{3cdot 6}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5}{3cdot 6 cdot 9}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5cdot 7}{3cdot 6 cdot 9cdot 12}+cdotscdots$$
So $$1+frac{1}{3}+frac{S}{3} =1+frac{1}{3}+frac{1cdot 3}{3cdot 6}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5}{3cdot 6 cdot 9}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5cdot 7}{3cdot 6 cdot 9cdot 12}+cdotscdots$$
Now campare the right side series
Using Binomial expansion of $$(1-x)^{-n} = 1+nx+frac{n(n+1)}{2}x^2+frac{n(n+1)(n+2)}{6}x^3+.......$$
So we get $$nx=frac{1}{3}$$ and $$frac{nx(nx+x)}{2}=frac{1}{3}cdot frac{3}{6}$$
We get $$frac{1}{3}left(frac{1}{3}+xright)=frac{1}{3}Rightarrow x=frac{2}{3}$$
So we get $$n=frac{1}{2}$$
So our series sum is $$(1-x)^{-n} = left(1-frac{2}{3}right)^{-frac{1}{2}} = sqrt{3}$$
So $$frac{4}{3}+frac{S}{3}=sqrt{3}$$
So $$S=3sqrt{3}-4.$$
Let $$S=cfrac 36 + cfrac {3cdot 5}{6cdot9} + cfrac{3cdot5cdot7}{6cdot9cdot12}cdots cdots infty$$
Then $$frac{S}{3} =frac{1cdot 3}{3cdot 6}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5}{3cdot 6 cdot 9}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5cdot 7}{3cdot 6 cdot 9cdot 12}+cdotscdots$$
So $$1+frac{1}{3}+frac{S}{3} =1+frac{1}{3}+frac{1cdot 3}{3cdot 6}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5}{3cdot 6 cdot 9}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5cdot 7}{3cdot 6 cdot 9cdot 12}+cdotscdots$$
Now campare the right side series
Using Binomial expansion of $$(1-x)^{-n} = 1+nx+frac{n(n+1)}{2}x^2+frac{n(n+1)(n+2)}{6}x^3+.......$$
So we get $$nx=frac{1}{3}$$ and $$frac{nx(nx+x)}{2}=frac{1}{3}cdot frac{3}{6}$$
We get $$frac{1}{3}left(frac{1}{3}+xright)=frac{1}{3}Rightarrow x=frac{2}{3}$$
So we get $$n=frac{1}{2}$$
So our series sum is $$(1-x)^{-n} = left(1-frac{2}{3}right)^{-frac{1}{2}} = sqrt{3}$$
So $$frac{4}{3}+frac{S}{3}=sqrt{3}$$
So $$S=3sqrt{3}-4.$$
edited Feb 7 at 3:35
answered Feb 7 at 3:25
Durgesh Tiwari
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This is an extremely dangerous way to work with infinite sums. Even if this gives the right answer (I wouldn't be surprised after even a few minutes of looking at Ramanaujans notebooks and seeing the power of un rigorous methods) I am still enclined to believe that teaching someone to prove via this method is quite dangerous
– Brevan Ellefsen
Feb 7 at 10:41
@BrevanEllefsen It's easy to check that it really is the binomial series, but I agree that skipping the verifications with infinite series is dangerous. Think of all those summability methods!
– saulspatz
Feb 7 at 16:09
add a comment |
1
This is an extremely dangerous way to work with infinite sums. Even if this gives the right answer (I wouldn't be surprised after even a few minutes of looking at Ramanaujans notebooks and seeing the power of un rigorous methods) I am still enclined to believe that teaching someone to prove via this method is quite dangerous
– Brevan Ellefsen
Feb 7 at 10:41
@BrevanEllefsen It's easy to check that it really is the binomial series, but I agree that skipping the verifications with infinite series is dangerous. Think of all those summability methods!
– saulspatz
Feb 7 at 16:09
1
1
This is an extremely dangerous way to work with infinite sums. Even if this gives the right answer (I wouldn't be surprised after even a few minutes of looking at Ramanaujans notebooks and seeing the power of un rigorous methods) I am still enclined to believe that teaching someone to prove via this method is quite dangerous
– Brevan Ellefsen
Feb 7 at 10:41
This is an extremely dangerous way to work with infinite sums. Even if this gives the right answer (I wouldn't be surprised after even a few minutes of looking at Ramanaujans notebooks and seeing the power of un rigorous methods) I am still enclined to believe that teaching someone to prove via this method is quite dangerous
– Brevan Ellefsen
Feb 7 at 10:41
@BrevanEllefsen It's easy to check that it really is the binomial series, but I agree that skipping the verifications with infinite series is dangerous. Think of all those summability methods!
– saulspatz
Feb 7 at 16:09
@BrevanEllefsen It's easy to check that it really is the binomial series, but I agree that skipping the verifications with infinite series is dangerous. Think of all those summability methods!
– saulspatz
Feb 7 at 16:09
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
Look at the pattern separately for the numerator and denominator. You can write $$3cdot5cdot7cdot...=frac{1cdot2cdot3cdot4cdot5cdot...}{2cdot4cdot6cdot8cdot...}$$
The top part is easy, just a factorial. We deal later what is the correct term for it. For the bottom part of this, you can get a factor of $2$ from each of the numbers, yielding $2^ncdot1cdot2cdot...cdot n$. You will need to employ the same trick for the denominator in the original expression.
So now going back to write the correct $n$-th term. We write the first term in original expression as $$ frac{3}{6}=frac{1cdot2cdot3}{2cdot 1cdot3cdot1cdot2}=frac{3!}{2cdot1!cdot3cdot2!}$$
The next term is $$frac{3cdot5}{6cdot9}=frac{1cdot2cdot3cdot4cdot5}{2cdot4cdot3^2cdot2cdot3}=frac{5!}{2^2cdot2!cdot3^2cdot3!}$$
If I did not make any mistakes, the third term should be $$frac{7!}{2^3cdot3!cdot3^3cdot4!}$$
In general, the $n$-th term then becomes $$frac{(2n+1)!}{2^ncdot n!cdot 3^ncdot(n+1)!}$$
You can further simplify this as $$frac{(2n+1)!}{6^ncdot n!cdot(n+1)!}$$
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
Look at the pattern separately for the numerator and denominator. You can write $$3cdot5cdot7cdot...=frac{1cdot2cdot3cdot4cdot5cdot...}{2cdot4cdot6cdot8cdot...}$$
The top part is easy, just a factorial. We deal later what is the correct term for it. For the bottom part of this, you can get a factor of $2$ from each of the numbers, yielding $2^ncdot1cdot2cdot...cdot n$. You will need to employ the same trick for the denominator in the original expression.
So now going back to write the correct $n$-th term. We write the first term in original expression as $$ frac{3}{6}=frac{1cdot2cdot3}{2cdot 1cdot3cdot1cdot2}=frac{3!}{2cdot1!cdot3cdot2!}$$
The next term is $$frac{3cdot5}{6cdot9}=frac{1cdot2cdot3cdot4cdot5}{2cdot4cdot3^2cdot2cdot3}=frac{5!}{2^2cdot2!cdot3^2cdot3!}$$
If I did not make any mistakes, the third term should be $$frac{7!}{2^3cdot3!cdot3^3cdot4!}$$
In general, the $n$-th term then becomes $$frac{(2n+1)!}{2^ncdot n!cdot 3^ncdot(n+1)!}$$
You can further simplify this as $$frac{(2n+1)!}{6^ncdot n!cdot(n+1)!}$$
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
Look at the pattern separately for the numerator and denominator. You can write $$3cdot5cdot7cdot...=frac{1cdot2cdot3cdot4cdot5cdot...}{2cdot4cdot6cdot8cdot...}$$
The top part is easy, just a factorial. We deal later what is the correct term for it. For the bottom part of this, you can get a factor of $2$ from each of the numbers, yielding $2^ncdot1cdot2cdot...cdot n$. You will need to employ the same trick for the denominator in the original expression.
So now going back to write the correct $n$-th term. We write the first term in original expression as $$ frac{3}{6}=frac{1cdot2cdot3}{2cdot 1cdot3cdot1cdot2}=frac{3!}{2cdot1!cdot3cdot2!}$$
The next term is $$frac{3cdot5}{6cdot9}=frac{1cdot2cdot3cdot4cdot5}{2cdot4cdot3^2cdot2cdot3}=frac{5!}{2^2cdot2!cdot3^2cdot3!}$$
If I did not make any mistakes, the third term should be $$frac{7!}{2^3cdot3!cdot3^3cdot4!}$$
In general, the $n$-th term then becomes $$frac{(2n+1)!}{2^ncdot n!cdot 3^ncdot(n+1)!}$$
You can further simplify this as $$frac{(2n+1)!}{6^ncdot n!cdot(n+1)!}$$
Look at the pattern separately for the numerator and denominator. You can write $$3cdot5cdot7cdot...=frac{1cdot2cdot3cdot4cdot5cdot...}{2cdot4cdot6cdot8cdot...}$$
The top part is easy, just a factorial. We deal later what is the correct term for it. For the bottom part of this, you can get a factor of $2$ from each of the numbers, yielding $2^ncdot1cdot2cdot...cdot n$. You will need to employ the same trick for the denominator in the original expression.
So now going back to write the correct $n$-th term. We write the first term in original expression as $$ frac{3}{6}=frac{1cdot2cdot3}{2cdot 1cdot3cdot1cdot2}=frac{3!}{2cdot1!cdot3cdot2!}$$
The next term is $$frac{3cdot5}{6cdot9}=frac{1cdot2cdot3cdot4cdot5}{2cdot4cdot3^2cdot2cdot3}=frac{5!}{2^2cdot2!cdot3^2cdot3!}$$
If I did not make any mistakes, the third term should be $$frac{7!}{2^3cdot3!cdot3^3cdot4!}$$
In general, the $n$-th term then becomes $$frac{(2n+1)!}{2^ncdot n!cdot 3^ncdot(n+1)!}$$
You can further simplify this as $$frac{(2n+1)!}{6^ncdot n!cdot(n+1)!}$$
answered Feb 7 at 3:21
Andrei
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What does HP mean?
– saulspatz
Feb 7 at 2:47
@saulspatz I mean harmonic progressions.
– Mohil Khare
Feb 7 at 2:49
@saulspatz I also know the binomial expansion of some basic log and e based functions. Will that help in any way? Anyways, thanks for your advice.
– Mohil Khare
Feb 7 at 3:18
Worth noting that the numerator is simply a double factorial whole the denominator is simply a factorial (up to a factor of 1/3^n it would appear). Noting this and using double factorial identities is surely the fastest solution
– Brevan Ellefsen
Feb 7 at 10:43