How can one simplify $frac 36 + frac {3cdot 5}{6cdot9} + frac{3cdot5cdot7}{6cdot9cdot12}$ up to $infty$?











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How can one simplify $cfrac 36 + cfrac {3cdot 5}{6cdot9} + cfrac{3cdot5cdot7}{6cdot9cdot12}$ up to $infty$?



I am new to the topic so can the community please guide me on the approach one needs to take while attempting such questions?



Things I am aware of:




  1. Permutations and combinations


  2. Factorials and some basic properties that revolve around it.


  3. Some basic results of AP, GP, HP


  4. Basics of summation.



Thanks for reading.










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  • What does HP mean?
    – saulspatz
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  • @saulspatz I mean harmonic progressions.
    – Mohil Khare
    Feb 7 at 2:49










  • @saulspatz I also know the binomial expansion of some basic log and e based functions. Will that help in any way? Anyways, thanks for your advice.
    – Mohil Khare
    Feb 7 at 3:18










  • Worth noting that the numerator is simply a double factorial whole the denominator is simply a factorial (up to a factor of 1/3^n it would appear). Noting this and using double factorial identities is surely the fastest solution
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    Feb 7 at 10:43

















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How can one simplify $cfrac 36 + cfrac {3cdot 5}{6cdot9} + cfrac{3cdot5cdot7}{6cdot9cdot12}$ up to $infty$?



I am new to the topic so can the community please guide me on the approach one needs to take while attempting such questions?



Things I am aware of:




  1. Permutations and combinations


  2. Factorials and some basic properties that revolve around it.


  3. Some basic results of AP, GP, HP


  4. Basics of summation.



Thanks for reading.










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  • What does HP mean?
    – saulspatz
    Feb 7 at 2:47










  • @saulspatz I mean harmonic progressions.
    – Mohil Khare
    Feb 7 at 2:49










  • @saulspatz I also know the binomial expansion of some basic log and e based functions. Will that help in any way? Anyways, thanks for your advice.
    – Mohil Khare
    Feb 7 at 3:18










  • Worth noting that the numerator is simply a double factorial whole the denominator is simply a factorial (up to a factor of 1/3^n it would appear). Noting this and using double factorial identities is surely the fastest solution
    – Brevan Ellefsen
    Feb 7 at 10:43















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How can one simplify $cfrac 36 + cfrac {3cdot 5}{6cdot9} + cfrac{3cdot5cdot7}{6cdot9cdot12}$ up to $infty$?



I am new to the topic so can the community please guide me on the approach one needs to take while attempting such questions?



Things I am aware of:




  1. Permutations and combinations


  2. Factorials and some basic properties that revolve around it.


  3. Some basic results of AP, GP, HP


  4. Basics of summation.



Thanks for reading.










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How can one simplify $cfrac 36 + cfrac {3cdot 5}{6cdot9} + cfrac{3cdot5cdot7}{6cdot9cdot12}$ up to $infty$?



I am new to the topic so can the community please guide me on the approach one needs to take while attempting such questions?



Things I am aware of:




  1. Permutations and combinations


  2. Factorials and some basic properties that revolve around it.


  3. Some basic results of AP, GP, HP


  4. Basics of summation.



Thanks for reading.







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  • What does HP mean?
    – saulspatz
    Feb 7 at 2:47










  • @saulspatz I mean harmonic progressions.
    – Mohil Khare
    Feb 7 at 2:49










  • @saulspatz I also know the binomial expansion of some basic log and e based functions. Will that help in any way? Anyways, thanks for your advice.
    – Mohil Khare
    Feb 7 at 3:18










  • Worth noting that the numerator is simply a double factorial whole the denominator is simply a factorial (up to a factor of 1/3^n it would appear). Noting this and using double factorial identities is surely the fastest solution
    – Brevan Ellefsen
    Feb 7 at 10:43




















  • What does HP mean?
    – saulspatz
    Feb 7 at 2:47










  • @saulspatz I mean harmonic progressions.
    – Mohil Khare
    Feb 7 at 2:49










  • @saulspatz I also know the binomial expansion of some basic log and e based functions. Will that help in any way? Anyways, thanks for your advice.
    – Mohil Khare
    Feb 7 at 3:18










  • Worth noting that the numerator is simply a double factorial whole the denominator is simply a factorial (up to a factor of 1/3^n it would appear). Noting this and using double factorial identities is surely the fastest solution
    – Brevan Ellefsen
    Feb 7 at 10:43


















What does HP mean?
– saulspatz
Feb 7 at 2:47




What does HP mean?
– saulspatz
Feb 7 at 2:47












@saulspatz I mean harmonic progressions.
– Mohil Khare
Feb 7 at 2:49




@saulspatz I mean harmonic progressions.
– Mohil Khare
Feb 7 at 2:49












@saulspatz I also know the binomial expansion of some basic log and e based functions. Will that help in any way? Anyways, thanks for your advice.
– Mohil Khare
Feb 7 at 3:18




@saulspatz I also know the binomial expansion of some basic log and e based functions. Will that help in any way? Anyways, thanks for your advice.
– Mohil Khare
Feb 7 at 3:18












Worth noting that the numerator is simply a double factorial whole the denominator is simply a factorial (up to a factor of 1/3^n it would appear). Noting this and using double factorial identities is surely the fastest solution
– Brevan Ellefsen
Feb 7 at 10:43






Worth noting that the numerator is simply a double factorial whole the denominator is simply a factorial (up to a factor of 1/3^n it would appear). Noting this and using double factorial identities is surely the fastest solution
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Let $$S=cfrac 36 + cfrac {3cdot 5}{6cdot9} + cfrac{3cdot5cdot7}{6cdot9cdot12}cdots cdots infty$$



Then $$frac{S}{3} =frac{1cdot 3}{3cdot 6}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5}{3cdot 6 cdot 9}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5cdot 7}{3cdot 6 cdot 9cdot 12}+cdotscdots$$



So $$1+frac{1}{3}+frac{S}{3} =1+frac{1}{3}+frac{1cdot 3}{3cdot 6}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5}{3cdot 6 cdot 9}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5cdot 7}{3cdot 6 cdot 9cdot 12}+cdotscdots$$



Now campare the right side series



Using Binomial expansion of $$(1-x)^{-n} = 1+nx+frac{n(n+1)}{2}x^2+frac{n(n+1)(n+2)}{6}x^3+.......$$



So we get $$nx=frac{1}{3}$$ and $$frac{nx(nx+x)}{2}=frac{1}{3}cdot frac{3}{6}$$



We get $$frac{1}{3}left(frac{1}{3}+xright)=frac{1}{3}Rightarrow x=frac{2}{3}$$



So we get $$n=frac{1}{2}$$



So our series sum is $$(1-x)^{-n} = left(1-frac{2}{3}right)^{-frac{1}{2}} = sqrt{3}$$



So $$frac{4}{3}+frac{S}{3}=sqrt{3}$$



So $$S=3sqrt{3}-4.$$






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    This is an extremely dangerous way to work with infinite sums. Even if this gives the right answer (I wouldn't be surprised after even a few minutes of looking at Ramanaujans notebooks and seeing the power of un rigorous methods) I am still enclined to believe that teaching someone to prove via this method is quite dangerous
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  • @BrevanEllefsen It's easy to check that it really is the binomial series, but I agree that skipping the verifications with infinite series is dangerous. Think of all those summability methods!
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Look at the pattern separately for the numerator and denominator. You can write $$3cdot5cdot7cdot...=frac{1cdot2cdot3cdot4cdot5cdot...}{2cdot4cdot6cdot8cdot...}$$
The top part is easy, just a factorial. We deal later what is the correct term for it. For the bottom part of this, you can get a factor of $2$ from each of the numbers, yielding $2^ncdot1cdot2cdot...cdot n$. You will need to employ the same trick for the denominator in the original expression.



So now going back to write the correct $n$-th term. We write the first term in original expression as $$ frac{3}{6}=frac{1cdot2cdot3}{2cdot 1cdot3cdot1cdot2}=frac{3!}{2cdot1!cdot3cdot2!}$$
The next term is $$frac{3cdot5}{6cdot9}=frac{1cdot2cdot3cdot4cdot5}{2cdot4cdot3^2cdot2cdot3}=frac{5!}{2^2cdot2!cdot3^2cdot3!}$$
If I did not make any mistakes, the third term should be $$frac{7!}{2^3cdot3!cdot3^3cdot4!}$$
In general, the $n$-th term then becomes $$frac{(2n+1)!}{2^ncdot n!cdot 3^ncdot(n+1)!}$$
You can further simplify this as $$frac{(2n+1)!}{6^ncdot n!cdot(n+1)!}$$






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    Let $$S=cfrac 36 + cfrac {3cdot 5}{6cdot9} + cfrac{3cdot5cdot7}{6cdot9cdot12}cdots cdots infty$$



    Then $$frac{S}{3} =frac{1cdot 3}{3cdot 6}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5}{3cdot 6 cdot 9}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5cdot 7}{3cdot 6 cdot 9cdot 12}+cdotscdots$$



    So $$1+frac{1}{3}+frac{S}{3} =1+frac{1}{3}+frac{1cdot 3}{3cdot 6}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5}{3cdot 6 cdot 9}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5cdot 7}{3cdot 6 cdot 9cdot 12}+cdotscdots$$



    Now campare the right side series



    Using Binomial expansion of $$(1-x)^{-n} = 1+nx+frac{n(n+1)}{2}x^2+frac{n(n+1)(n+2)}{6}x^3+.......$$



    So we get $$nx=frac{1}{3}$$ and $$frac{nx(nx+x)}{2}=frac{1}{3}cdot frac{3}{6}$$



    We get $$frac{1}{3}left(frac{1}{3}+xright)=frac{1}{3}Rightarrow x=frac{2}{3}$$



    So we get $$n=frac{1}{2}$$



    So our series sum is $$(1-x)^{-n} = left(1-frac{2}{3}right)^{-frac{1}{2}} = sqrt{3}$$



    So $$frac{4}{3}+frac{S}{3}=sqrt{3}$$



    So $$S=3sqrt{3}-4.$$






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      This is an extremely dangerous way to work with infinite sums. Even if this gives the right answer (I wouldn't be surprised after even a few minutes of looking at Ramanaujans notebooks and seeing the power of un rigorous methods) I am still enclined to believe that teaching someone to prove via this method is quite dangerous
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    • @BrevanEllefsen It's easy to check that it really is the binomial series, but I agree that skipping the verifications with infinite series is dangerous. Think of all those summability methods!
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    Let $$S=cfrac 36 + cfrac {3cdot 5}{6cdot9} + cfrac{3cdot5cdot7}{6cdot9cdot12}cdots cdots infty$$



    Then $$frac{S}{3} =frac{1cdot 3}{3cdot 6}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5}{3cdot 6 cdot 9}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5cdot 7}{3cdot 6 cdot 9cdot 12}+cdotscdots$$



    So $$1+frac{1}{3}+frac{S}{3} =1+frac{1}{3}+frac{1cdot 3}{3cdot 6}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5}{3cdot 6 cdot 9}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5cdot 7}{3cdot 6 cdot 9cdot 12}+cdotscdots$$



    Now campare the right side series



    Using Binomial expansion of $$(1-x)^{-n} = 1+nx+frac{n(n+1)}{2}x^2+frac{n(n+1)(n+2)}{6}x^3+.......$$



    So we get $$nx=frac{1}{3}$$ and $$frac{nx(nx+x)}{2}=frac{1}{3}cdot frac{3}{6}$$



    We get $$frac{1}{3}left(frac{1}{3}+xright)=frac{1}{3}Rightarrow x=frac{2}{3}$$



    So we get $$n=frac{1}{2}$$



    So our series sum is $$(1-x)^{-n} = left(1-frac{2}{3}right)^{-frac{1}{2}} = sqrt{3}$$



    So $$frac{4}{3}+frac{S}{3}=sqrt{3}$$



    So $$S=3sqrt{3}-4.$$






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    • 1




      This is an extremely dangerous way to work with infinite sums. Even if this gives the right answer (I wouldn't be surprised after even a few minutes of looking at Ramanaujans notebooks and seeing the power of un rigorous methods) I am still enclined to believe that teaching someone to prove via this method is quite dangerous
      – Brevan Ellefsen
      Feb 7 at 10:41










    • @BrevanEllefsen It's easy to check that it really is the binomial series, but I agree that skipping the verifications with infinite series is dangerous. Think of all those summability methods!
      – saulspatz
      Feb 7 at 16:09













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    Let $$S=cfrac 36 + cfrac {3cdot 5}{6cdot9} + cfrac{3cdot5cdot7}{6cdot9cdot12}cdots cdots infty$$



    Then $$frac{S}{3} =frac{1cdot 3}{3cdot 6}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5}{3cdot 6 cdot 9}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5cdot 7}{3cdot 6 cdot 9cdot 12}+cdotscdots$$



    So $$1+frac{1}{3}+frac{S}{3} =1+frac{1}{3}+frac{1cdot 3}{3cdot 6}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5}{3cdot 6 cdot 9}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5cdot 7}{3cdot 6 cdot 9cdot 12}+cdotscdots$$



    Now campare the right side series



    Using Binomial expansion of $$(1-x)^{-n} = 1+nx+frac{n(n+1)}{2}x^2+frac{n(n+1)(n+2)}{6}x^3+.......$$



    So we get $$nx=frac{1}{3}$$ and $$frac{nx(nx+x)}{2}=frac{1}{3}cdot frac{3}{6}$$



    We get $$frac{1}{3}left(frac{1}{3}+xright)=frac{1}{3}Rightarrow x=frac{2}{3}$$



    So we get $$n=frac{1}{2}$$



    So our series sum is $$(1-x)^{-n} = left(1-frac{2}{3}right)^{-frac{1}{2}} = sqrt{3}$$



    So $$frac{4}{3}+frac{S}{3}=sqrt{3}$$



    So $$S=3sqrt{3}-4.$$






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    Let $$S=cfrac 36 + cfrac {3cdot 5}{6cdot9} + cfrac{3cdot5cdot7}{6cdot9cdot12}cdots cdots infty$$



    Then $$frac{S}{3} =frac{1cdot 3}{3cdot 6}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5}{3cdot 6 cdot 9}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5cdot 7}{3cdot 6 cdot 9cdot 12}+cdotscdots$$



    So $$1+frac{1}{3}+frac{S}{3} =1+frac{1}{3}+frac{1cdot 3}{3cdot 6}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5}{3cdot 6 cdot 9}+frac{1cdot 3cdot 5cdot 7}{3cdot 6 cdot 9cdot 12}+cdotscdots$$



    Now campare the right side series



    Using Binomial expansion of $$(1-x)^{-n} = 1+nx+frac{n(n+1)}{2}x^2+frac{n(n+1)(n+2)}{6}x^3+.......$$



    So we get $$nx=frac{1}{3}$$ and $$frac{nx(nx+x)}{2}=frac{1}{3}cdot frac{3}{6}$$



    We get $$frac{1}{3}left(frac{1}{3}+xright)=frac{1}{3}Rightarrow x=frac{2}{3}$$



    So we get $$n=frac{1}{2}$$



    So our series sum is $$(1-x)^{-n} = left(1-frac{2}{3}right)^{-frac{1}{2}} = sqrt{3}$$



    So $$frac{4}{3}+frac{S}{3}=sqrt{3}$$



    So $$S=3sqrt{3}-4.$$







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      This is an extremely dangerous way to work with infinite sums. Even if this gives the right answer (I wouldn't be surprised after even a few minutes of looking at Ramanaujans notebooks and seeing the power of un rigorous methods) I am still enclined to believe that teaching someone to prove via this method is quite dangerous
      – Brevan Ellefsen
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    • @BrevanEllefsen It's easy to check that it really is the binomial series, but I agree that skipping the verifications with infinite series is dangerous. Think of all those summability methods!
      – saulspatz
      Feb 7 at 16:09














    • 1




      This is an extremely dangerous way to work with infinite sums. Even if this gives the right answer (I wouldn't be surprised after even a few minutes of looking at Ramanaujans notebooks and seeing the power of un rigorous methods) I am still enclined to believe that teaching someone to prove via this method is quite dangerous
      – Brevan Ellefsen
      Feb 7 at 10:41










    • @BrevanEllefsen It's easy to check that it really is the binomial series, but I agree that skipping the verifications with infinite series is dangerous. Think of all those summability methods!
      – saulspatz
      Feb 7 at 16:09








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    This is an extremely dangerous way to work with infinite sums. Even if this gives the right answer (I wouldn't be surprised after even a few minutes of looking at Ramanaujans notebooks and seeing the power of un rigorous methods) I am still enclined to believe that teaching someone to prove via this method is quite dangerous
    – Brevan Ellefsen
    Feb 7 at 10:41




    This is an extremely dangerous way to work with infinite sums. Even if this gives the right answer (I wouldn't be surprised after even a few minutes of looking at Ramanaujans notebooks and seeing the power of un rigorous methods) I am still enclined to believe that teaching someone to prove via this method is quite dangerous
    – Brevan Ellefsen
    Feb 7 at 10:41












    @BrevanEllefsen It's easy to check that it really is the binomial series, but I agree that skipping the verifications with infinite series is dangerous. Think of all those summability methods!
    – saulspatz
    Feb 7 at 16:09




    @BrevanEllefsen It's easy to check that it really is the binomial series, but I agree that skipping the verifications with infinite series is dangerous. Think of all those summability methods!
    – saulspatz
    Feb 7 at 16:09










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    Look at the pattern separately for the numerator and denominator. You can write $$3cdot5cdot7cdot...=frac{1cdot2cdot3cdot4cdot5cdot...}{2cdot4cdot6cdot8cdot...}$$
    The top part is easy, just a factorial. We deal later what is the correct term for it. For the bottom part of this, you can get a factor of $2$ from each of the numbers, yielding $2^ncdot1cdot2cdot...cdot n$. You will need to employ the same trick for the denominator in the original expression.



    So now going back to write the correct $n$-th term. We write the first term in original expression as $$ frac{3}{6}=frac{1cdot2cdot3}{2cdot 1cdot3cdot1cdot2}=frac{3!}{2cdot1!cdot3cdot2!}$$
    The next term is $$frac{3cdot5}{6cdot9}=frac{1cdot2cdot3cdot4cdot5}{2cdot4cdot3^2cdot2cdot3}=frac{5!}{2^2cdot2!cdot3^2cdot3!}$$
    If I did not make any mistakes, the third term should be $$frac{7!}{2^3cdot3!cdot3^3cdot4!}$$
    In general, the $n$-th term then becomes $$frac{(2n+1)!}{2^ncdot n!cdot 3^ncdot(n+1)!}$$
    You can further simplify this as $$frac{(2n+1)!}{6^ncdot n!cdot(n+1)!}$$






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      Look at the pattern separately for the numerator and denominator. You can write $$3cdot5cdot7cdot...=frac{1cdot2cdot3cdot4cdot5cdot...}{2cdot4cdot6cdot8cdot...}$$
      The top part is easy, just a factorial. We deal later what is the correct term for it. For the bottom part of this, you can get a factor of $2$ from each of the numbers, yielding $2^ncdot1cdot2cdot...cdot n$. You will need to employ the same trick for the denominator in the original expression.



      So now going back to write the correct $n$-th term. We write the first term in original expression as $$ frac{3}{6}=frac{1cdot2cdot3}{2cdot 1cdot3cdot1cdot2}=frac{3!}{2cdot1!cdot3cdot2!}$$
      The next term is $$frac{3cdot5}{6cdot9}=frac{1cdot2cdot3cdot4cdot5}{2cdot4cdot3^2cdot2cdot3}=frac{5!}{2^2cdot2!cdot3^2cdot3!}$$
      If I did not make any mistakes, the third term should be $$frac{7!}{2^3cdot3!cdot3^3cdot4!}$$
      In general, the $n$-th term then becomes $$frac{(2n+1)!}{2^ncdot n!cdot 3^ncdot(n+1)!}$$
      You can further simplify this as $$frac{(2n+1)!}{6^ncdot n!cdot(n+1)!}$$






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        Look at the pattern separately for the numerator and denominator. You can write $$3cdot5cdot7cdot...=frac{1cdot2cdot3cdot4cdot5cdot...}{2cdot4cdot6cdot8cdot...}$$
        The top part is easy, just a factorial. We deal later what is the correct term for it. For the bottom part of this, you can get a factor of $2$ from each of the numbers, yielding $2^ncdot1cdot2cdot...cdot n$. You will need to employ the same trick for the denominator in the original expression.



        So now going back to write the correct $n$-th term. We write the first term in original expression as $$ frac{3}{6}=frac{1cdot2cdot3}{2cdot 1cdot3cdot1cdot2}=frac{3!}{2cdot1!cdot3cdot2!}$$
        The next term is $$frac{3cdot5}{6cdot9}=frac{1cdot2cdot3cdot4cdot5}{2cdot4cdot3^2cdot2cdot3}=frac{5!}{2^2cdot2!cdot3^2cdot3!}$$
        If I did not make any mistakes, the third term should be $$frac{7!}{2^3cdot3!cdot3^3cdot4!}$$
        In general, the $n$-th term then becomes $$frac{(2n+1)!}{2^ncdot n!cdot 3^ncdot(n+1)!}$$
        You can further simplify this as $$frac{(2n+1)!}{6^ncdot n!cdot(n+1)!}$$






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        Look at the pattern separately for the numerator and denominator. You can write $$3cdot5cdot7cdot...=frac{1cdot2cdot3cdot4cdot5cdot...}{2cdot4cdot6cdot8cdot...}$$
        The top part is easy, just a factorial. We deal later what is the correct term for it. For the bottom part of this, you can get a factor of $2$ from each of the numbers, yielding $2^ncdot1cdot2cdot...cdot n$. You will need to employ the same trick for the denominator in the original expression.



        So now going back to write the correct $n$-th term. We write the first term in original expression as $$ frac{3}{6}=frac{1cdot2cdot3}{2cdot 1cdot3cdot1cdot2}=frac{3!}{2cdot1!cdot3cdot2!}$$
        The next term is $$frac{3cdot5}{6cdot9}=frac{1cdot2cdot3cdot4cdot5}{2cdot4cdot3^2cdot2cdot3}=frac{5!}{2^2cdot2!cdot3^2cdot3!}$$
        If I did not make any mistakes, the third term should be $$frac{7!}{2^3cdot3!cdot3^3cdot4!}$$
        In general, the $n$-th term then becomes $$frac{(2n+1)!}{2^ncdot n!cdot 3^ncdot(n+1)!}$$
        You can further simplify this as $$frac{(2n+1)!}{6^ncdot n!cdot(n+1)!}$$







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