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Note: In this question I am using the radical symbol to denote all roots of a number, not just the positive one.



$$x=sqrt[n] m ≠ x=m^frac 1n $$ when m is an even number



for example:-
$$x=sqrt4$$
$$x=±2$$
or:
$$x=sqrt4$$
$$x=4^frac 12$$
$$(x)^2=(4^frac 12)^2$$
$$x^2 = 4^1$$
$$x=sqrt4$$
$$x=±2$$



but:
$$x=sqrt4$$
$$x=4^frac 12$$
$$x=(2^2)^frac 12$$
$$x=2^frac 22$$
$$x=2^1$$
$$x=2$$



in above example adding ±1 we will have same result as above.



$$x=sqrt4$$
$$x=±4^frac 12$$
$$x=(±1)(2^2)^frac 12$$
$$x=(±1)2^frac 22$$
$$x=(±1)2^1$$
$$x=±2$$
but in second example we will have a negative root that leads to an imaginary number.
$$x=sqrt4$$
$$x=±4^frac 12$$
$$(x)^2=(±1)(4^frac 12)^2$$
$$x^2 = (±1)4^1$$
$$x=±sqrt4$$










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    No, $sqrt{4}$ is not the same as $pm 2$, because $sqrt{4}$ is defined to be $2$. There is no ambiguity in the symbol $sqrt{}$, even though $x^2 = 4$ has two solutions.
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    Thank you for pointing it out @T.Bongers
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    Suggested edit: "Note: In this question I am using the radical symbol to denote all roots of a number, not just the positive one". (It's more specific.)
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    That's fine. I hope people understand better what you're asking now.
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Note: In this question I am using the radical symbol to denote all roots of a number, not just the positive one.



$$x=sqrt[n] m ≠ x=m^frac 1n $$ when m is an even number



for example:-
$$x=sqrt4$$
$$x=±2$$
or:
$$x=sqrt4$$
$$x=4^frac 12$$
$$(x)^2=(4^frac 12)^2$$
$$x^2 = 4^1$$
$$x=sqrt4$$
$$x=±2$$



but:
$$x=sqrt4$$
$$x=4^frac 12$$
$$x=(2^2)^frac 12$$
$$x=2^frac 22$$
$$x=2^1$$
$$x=2$$



in above example adding ±1 we will have same result as above.



$$x=sqrt4$$
$$x=±4^frac 12$$
$$x=(±1)(2^2)^frac 12$$
$$x=(±1)2^frac 22$$
$$x=(±1)2^1$$
$$x=±2$$
but in second example we will have a negative root that leads to an imaginary number.
$$x=sqrt4$$
$$x=±4^frac 12$$
$$(x)^2=(±1)(4^frac 12)^2$$
$$x^2 = (±1)4^1$$
$$x=±sqrt4$$










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    No, $sqrt{4}$ is not the same as $pm 2$, because $sqrt{4}$ is defined to be $2$. There is no ambiguity in the symbol $sqrt{}$, even though $x^2 = 4$ has two solutions.
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    Thank you for pointing it out @T.Bongers
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    Suggested edit: "Note: In this question I am using the radical symbol to denote all roots of a number, not just the positive one". (It's more specific.)
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    thanks and sorry for my english @timtfj
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    That's fine. I hope people understand better what you're asking now.
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$begingroup$


Note: In this question I am using the radical symbol to denote all roots of a number, not just the positive one.



$$x=sqrt[n] m ≠ x=m^frac 1n $$ when m is an even number



for example:-
$$x=sqrt4$$
$$x=±2$$
or:
$$x=sqrt4$$
$$x=4^frac 12$$
$$(x)^2=(4^frac 12)^2$$
$$x^2 = 4^1$$
$$x=sqrt4$$
$$x=±2$$



but:
$$x=sqrt4$$
$$x=4^frac 12$$
$$x=(2^2)^frac 12$$
$$x=2^frac 22$$
$$x=2^1$$
$$x=2$$



in above example adding ±1 we will have same result as above.



$$x=sqrt4$$
$$x=±4^frac 12$$
$$x=(±1)(2^2)^frac 12$$
$$x=(±1)2^frac 22$$
$$x=(±1)2^1$$
$$x=±2$$
but in second example we will have a negative root that leads to an imaginary number.
$$x=sqrt4$$
$$x=±4^frac 12$$
$$(x)^2=(±1)(4^frac 12)^2$$
$$x^2 = (±1)4^1$$
$$x=±sqrt4$$










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Note: In this question I am using the radical symbol to denote all roots of a number, not just the positive one.



$$x=sqrt[n] m ≠ x=m^frac 1n $$ when m is an even number



for example:-
$$x=sqrt4$$
$$x=±2$$
or:
$$x=sqrt4$$
$$x=4^frac 12$$
$$(x)^2=(4^frac 12)^2$$
$$x^2 = 4^1$$
$$x=sqrt4$$
$$x=±2$$



but:
$$x=sqrt4$$
$$x=4^frac 12$$
$$x=(2^2)^frac 12$$
$$x=2^frac 22$$
$$x=2^1$$
$$x=2$$



in above example adding ±1 we will have same result as above.



$$x=sqrt4$$
$$x=±4^frac 12$$
$$x=(±1)(2^2)^frac 12$$
$$x=(±1)2^frac 22$$
$$x=(±1)2^1$$
$$x=±2$$
but in second example we will have a negative root that leads to an imaginary number.
$$x=sqrt4$$
$$x=±4^frac 12$$
$$(x)^2=(±1)(4^frac 12)^2$$
$$x^2 = (±1)4^1$$
$$x=±sqrt4$$







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    No, $sqrt{4}$ is not the same as $pm 2$, because $sqrt{4}$ is defined to be $2$. There is no ambiguity in the symbol $sqrt{}$, even though $x^2 = 4$ has two solutions.
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    Thank you for pointing it out @T.Bongers
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    – Mohammed AL-Baqir Khalid Moham
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  • $begingroup$
    Suggested edit: "Note: In this question I am using the radical symbol to denote all roots of a number, not just the positive one". (It's more specific.)
    $endgroup$
    – timtfj
    Dec 14 '18 at 1:04










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    thanks and sorry for my english @timtfj
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    – Mohammed AL-Baqir Khalid Moham
    Dec 14 '18 at 1:06










  • $begingroup$
    That's fine. I hope people understand better what you're asking now.
    $endgroup$
    – timtfj
    Dec 14 '18 at 1:21














  • 2




    $begingroup$
    No, $sqrt{4}$ is not the same as $pm 2$, because $sqrt{4}$ is defined to be $2$. There is no ambiguity in the symbol $sqrt{}$, even though $x^2 = 4$ has two solutions.
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    – T. Bongers
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    Thank you for pointing it out @T.Bongers
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    – Mohammed AL-Baqir Khalid Moham
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  • $begingroup$
    Suggested edit: "Note: In this question I am using the radical symbol to denote all roots of a number, not just the positive one". (It's more specific.)
    $endgroup$
    – timtfj
    Dec 14 '18 at 1:04










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    thanks and sorry for my english @timtfj
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    – Mohammed AL-Baqir Khalid Moham
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    That's fine. I hope people understand better what you're asking now.
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    – timtfj
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No, $sqrt{4}$ is not the same as $pm 2$, because $sqrt{4}$ is defined to be $2$. There is no ambiguity in the symbol $sqrt{}$, even though $x^2 = 4$ has two solutions.
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– T. Bongers
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$begingroup$
No, $sqrt{4}$ is not the same as $pm 2$, because $sqrt{4}$ is defined to be $2$. There is no ambiguity in the symbol $sqrt{}$, even though $x^2 = 4$ has two solutions.
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Thank you for pointing it out @T.Bongers
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– Mohammed AL-Baqir Khalid Moham
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Thank you for pointing it out @T.Bongers
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$begingroup$
Suggested edit: "Note: In this question I am using the radical symbol to denote all roots of a number, not just the positive one". (It's more specific.)
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– timtfj
Dec 14 '18 at 1:04




$begingroup$
Suggested edit: "Note: In this question I am using the radical symbol to denote all roots of a number, not just the positive one". (It's more specific.)
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thanks and sorry for my english @timtfj
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thanks and sorry for my english @timtfj
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That's fine. I hope people understand better what you're asking now.
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I'm sorry but this is pretty much... wrong. Your proposition is not true.



For $x,y>in Bbb R_{>0}$, $x^y$ is defined to be positive. So, as @T.Bongers pointed out, $sqrt{4} = 2$ by definition, even if $x^2 = 4$ has exacly one positive and one negative solution. The convention for the square root is defining that it satisfies $sqrt{x^2} = |x|$ for all $x$. Therefore, since for every non-negative real number $m$ there is some $m' in Bbb R$ such that $m'^2 = m$,



$sqrt{m} = |m'| geq 0$.






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    i don't get if x^2 = 4 have 2 answer and x = 4^(1/2) equation didn't,and just ignore the root symbol and please link some wiki pages so i can understand it because my english isn't that good
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    $x^2 = 4$ has, indeed, 2 answers. But $sqrt m$ is different from finding the answers to $x^2 = m$. My answer has a part explaining the convention to define the square root. Take a look at it again, please.
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    ok i will do edit it but the main part of the question is why x^2 = 4 have 2 answer and x = 4^(1/2) equation didn't have same answer.
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    Imagine John has two sons; Fred who is older and Sam who is younger. $x^2=4$ is the like saying $x$'s father is John. $x=pmsqrt{4}$ is like like saying $x$ is one of John's sons. $x =sqrt{4}$ is like saying $x$ is the older son of John. $x=-sqrt{4}$ is like saying $x$ is the younger son of John. $x=pm2$ is like saying $x$ is Fred or Sam. $x=2$ is like saying $x$ is Fred. And $x=-2$ is like saying $x$ is Sam.
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    @fleablood Shouldn't that amazing explanation be put in an answer to make it more visible?
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First of all $sqrt{n}$ is defined to always be a single value that is never negative.



So if $x=sqrt 4$ then then $x = 2$ and $xne -2$.



You are confusing this with



$x^2 = 4$ then $x =pm sqrt{4}$. But we do not know whether $x = sqrt 4 = 2$ or whether $x = -sqrt{4} = -2$. However we DO know that $sqrt{4} =2$ and $sqrt{4}$ does NOT equal $-2$.



However if we are told $x=sqrt{4}$ then we are being told that $x ne =-sqrt{4}$.



Second, you are treating $pm n$ as though it where a number. It isn't a number. It is statement that there are two possibilities to consider. Either $n$ or $-n$.



But both have to be possible. If we are told $x = 2$ we can't then say $x = pm 2$ because we know $x = -2$ is not possible. (Likewise if we are told $x = -2$ we can't say $x =pm 2$ because we know $x=2$ is not possible.



So if we are told $x^2 = 4$ then there are two possibilities. Either $x = 2$ or $x = -2$ and we don't know which. So we can say $x =pm 2$.



If however we are told $x = sqrt 4$ the we are given one value and we know $x = -sqrt 4$ is not possible.



Third



whe you go from $x = 4^{frac 12}$ to $x^2 = (4^{frac 12})^2$ you must make a mental note that $x > 0$. Squaring adds extranous solutions.



For example. If you have $x = 5$ and then you say $x^2 = 5^2 = 25$ you must remember that $x > 0$. Then when you so $x^2 =25 implies x =pm sqrt{25} = pm 5$ you must add But ALSO $x > 0$ so $x = sqrt{25} = 5$



So to correct everything you've done:



$x = sqrt 4$



$x = 2$



or:



$x = sqrt 4$



$x = 4^{frac 12}$



$x^2 = (4^{frac 12})^2$ (and $x > 0$)



$x^2 = 4^1$



$x = pm sqrt 4$ but $x > 0$ so



$x = sqrt 4$



$x= 2$.



But:



$x = sqrt 4$



$x = 4^{frac 12}$



$x = (2^2)^{frac 12}$



$x = 2^{frac 22}$



$x = 2^1$



$x = 2$



which is basically spinning your wheels in the mud.






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    thanks for pointing that , but i was also confused with radical symbol itself.
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    The radical symbol means the POSITIVE square root. All positive numbers have two square roots. A positive square root and a negative square root. $sqrt{x}$ refers to the POSITIVE one. It does NOT refer to the negative one. $-sqrt{x}$ refers to the negative square root.
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    So $sqrt{36} =6$ it does NOT equal $-6$. ANd $-sqrt{36}=-6$. It does NOT equal $6$.
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    thanks ,but I already know most of things that community said but the main problem that make the confusing in my question that i used radical symbol to have both the positive and the negative roots , which is wrong.
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I'm sorry but this is pretty much... wrong. Your proposition is not true.



For $x,y>in Bbb R_{>0}$, $x^y$ is defined to be positive. So, as @T.Bongers pointed out, $sqrt{4} = 2$ by definition, even if $x^2 = 4$ has exacly one positive and one negative solution. The convention for the square root is defining that it satisfies $sqrt{x^2} = |x|$ for all $x$. Therefore, since for every non-negative real number $m$ there is some $m' in Bbb R$ such that $m'^2 = m$,



$sqrt{m} = |m'| geq 0$.






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    i don't get if x^2 = 4 have 2 answer and x = 4^(1/2) equation didn't,and just ignore the root symbol and please link some wiki pages so i can understand it because my english isn't that good
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    – Mohammed AL-Baqir Khalid Moham
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    $x^2 = 4$ has, indeed, 2 answers. But $sqrt m$ is different from finding the answers to $x^2 = m$. My answer has a part explaining the convention to define the square root. Take a look at it again, please.
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    ok i will do edit it but the main part of the question is why x^2 = 4 have 2 answer and x = 4^(1/2) equation didn't have same answer.
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    – Mohammed AL-Baqir Khalid Moham
    Dec 14 '18 at 0:44








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    Imagine John has two sons; Fred who is older and Sam who is younger. $x^2=4$ is the like saying $x$'s father is John. $x=pmsqrt{4}$ is like like saying $x$ is one of John's sons. $x =sqrt{4}$ is like saying $x$ is the older son of John. $x=-sqrt{4}$ is like saying $x$ is the younger son of John. $x=pm2$ is like saying $x$ is Fred or Sam. $x=2$ is like saying $x$ is Fred. And $x=-2$ is like saying $x$ is Sam.
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    @fleablood Shouldn't that amazing explanation be put in an answer to make it more visible?
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I'm sorry but this is pretty much... wrong. Your proposition is not true.



For $x,y>in Bbb R_{>0}$, $x^y$ is defined to be positive. So, as @T.Bongers pointed out, $sqrt{4} = 2$ by definition, even if $x^2 = 4$ has exacly one positive and one negative solution. The convention for the square root is defining that it satisfies $sqrt{x^2} = |x|$ for all $x$. Therefore, since for every non-negative real number $m$ there is some $m' in Bbb R$ such that $m'^2 = m$,



$sqrt{m} = |m'| geq 0$.






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    i don't get if x^2 = 4 have 2 answer and x = 4^(1/2) equation didn't,and just ignore the root symbol and please link some wiki pages so i can understand it because my english isn't that good
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    – Mohammed AL-Baqir Khalid Moham
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    $x^2 = 4$ has, indeed, 2 answers. But $sqrt m$ is different from finding the answers to $x^2 = m$. My answer has a part explaining the convention to define the square root. Take a look at it again, please.
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  • $begingroup$
    ok i will do edit it but the main part of the question is why x^2 = 4 have 2 answer and x = 4^(1/2) equation didn't have same answer.
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    – Mohammed AL-Baqir Khalid Moham
    Dec 14 '18 at 0:44








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    Imagine John has two sons; Fred who is older and Sam who is younger. $x^2=4$ is the like saying $x$'s father is John. $x=pmsqrt{4}$ is like like saying $x$ is one of John's sons. $x =sqrt{4}$ is like saying $x$ is the older son of John. $x=-sqrt{4}$ is like saying $x$ is the younger son of John. $x=pm2$ is like saying $x$ is Fred or Sam. $x=2$ is like saying $x$ is Fred. And $x=-2$ is like saying $x$ is Sam.
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    @fleablood Shouldn't that amazing explanation be put in an answer to make it more visible?
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I'm sorry but this is pretty much... wrong. Your proposition is not true.



For $x,y>in Bbb R_{>0}$, $x^y$ is defined to be positive. So, as @T.Bongers pointed out, $sqrt{4} = 2$ by definition, even if $x^2 = 4$ has exacly one positive and one negative solution. The convention for the square root is defining that it satisfies $sqrt{x^2} = |x|$ for all $x$. Therefore, since for every non-negative real number $m$ there is some $m' in Bbb R$ such that $m'^2 = m$,



$sqrt{m} = |m'| geq 0$.






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I'm sorry but this is pretty much... wrong. Your proposition is not true.



For $x,y>in Bbb R_{>0}$, $x^y$ is defined to be positive. So, as @T.Bongers pointed out, $sqrt{4} = 2$ by definition, even if $x^2 = 4$ has exacly one positive and one negative solution. The convention for the square root is defining that it satisfies $sqrt{x^2} = |x|$ for all $x$. Therefore, since for every non-negative real number $m$ there is some $m' in Bbb R$ such that $m'^2 = m$,



$sqrt{m} = |m'| geq 0$.







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    i don't get if x^2 = 4 have 2 answer and x = 4^(1/2) equation didn't,and just ignore the root symbol and please link some wiki pages so i can understand it because my english isn't that good
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    – Mohammed AL-Baqir Khalid Moham
    Dec 14 '18 at 0:38












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    $x^2 = 4$ has, indeed, 2 answers. But $sqrt m$ is different from finding the answers to $x^2 = m$. My answer has a part explaining the convention to define the square root. Take a look at it again, please.
    $endgroup$
    – Lucas Henrique
    Dec 14 '18 at 0:40










  • $begingroup$
    ok i will do edit it but the main part of the question is why x^2 = 4 have 2 answer and x = 4^(1/2) equation didn't have same answer.
    $endgroup$
    – Mohammed AL-Baqir Khalid Moham
    Dec 14 '18 at 0:44








  • 2




    $begingroup$
    Imagine John has two sons; Fred who is older and Sam who is younger. $x^2=4$ is the like saying $x$'s father is John. $x=pmsqrt{4}$ is like like saying $x$ is one of John's sons. $x =sqrt{4}$ is like saying $x$ is the older son of John. $x=-sqrt{4}$ is like saying $x$ is the younger son of John. $x=pm2$ is like saying $x$ is Fred or Sam. $x=2$ is like saying $x$ is Fred. And $x=-2$ is like saying $x$ is Sam.
    $endgroup$
    – fleablood
    Dec 14 '18 at 1:12












  • $begingroup$
    @fleablood Shouldn't that amazing explanation be put in an answer to make it more visible?
    $endgroup$
    – timtfj
    Dec 14 '18 at 1:27


















  • $begingroup$
    i don't get if x^2 = 4 have 2 answer and x = 4^(1/2) equation didn't,and just ignore the root symbol and please link some wiki pages so i can understand it because my english isn't that good
    $endgroup$
    – Mohammed AL-Baqir Khalid Moham
    Dec 14 '18 at 0:38












  • $begingroup$
    $x^2 = 4$ has, indeed, 2 answers. But $sqrt m$ is different from finding the answers to $x^2 = m$. My answer has a part explaining the convention to define the square root. Take a look at it again, please.
    $endgroup$
    – Lucas Henrique
    Dec 14 '18 at 0:40










  • $begingroup$
    ok i will do edit it but the main part of the question is why x^2 = 4 have 2 answer and x = 4^(1/2) equation didn't have same answer.
    $endgroup$
    – Mohammed AL-Baqir Khalid Moham
    Dec 14 '18 at 0:44








  • 2




    $begingroup$
    Imagine John has two sons; Fred who is older and Sam who is younger. $x^2=4$ is the like saying $x$'s father is John. $x=pmsqrt{4}$ is like like saying $x$ is one of John's sons. $x =sqrt{4}$ is like saying $x$ is the older son of John. $x=-sqrt{4}$ is like saying $x$ is the younger son of John. $x=pm2$ is like saying $x$ is Fred or Sam. $x=2$ is like saying $x$ is Fred. And $x=-2$ is like saying $x$ is Sam.
    $endgroup$
    – fleablood
    Dec 14 '18 at 1:12












  • $begingroup$
    @fleablood Shouldn't that amazing explanation be put in an answer to make it more visible?
    $endgroup$
    – timtfj
    Dec 14 '18 at 1:27
















$begingroup$
i don't get if x^2 = 4 have 2 answer and x = 4^(1/2) equation didn't,and just ignore the root symbol and please link some wiki pages so i can understand it because my english isn't that good
$endgroup$
– Mohammed AL-Baqir Khalid Moham
Dec 14 '18 at 0:38






$begingroup$
i don't get if x^2 = 4 have 2 answer and x = 4^(1/2) equation didn't,and just ignore the root symbol and please link some wiki pages so i can understand it because my english isn't that good
$endgroup$
– Mohammed AL-Baqir Khalid Moham
Dec 14 '18 at 0:38














$begingroup$
$x^2 = 4$ has, indeed, 2 answers. But $sqrt m$ is different from finding the answers to $x^2 = m$. My answer has a part explaining the convention to define the square root. Take a look at it again, please.
$endgroup$
– Lucas Henrique
Dec 14 '18 at 0:40




$begingroup$
$x^2 = 4$ has, indeed, 2 answers. But $sqrt m$ is different from finding the answers to $x^2 = m$. My answer has a part explaining the convention to define the square root. Take a look at it again, please.
$endgroup$
– Lucas Henrique
Dec 14 '18 at 0:40












$begingroup$
ok i will do edit it but the main part of the question is why x^2 = 4 have 2 answer and x = 4^(1/2) equation didn't have same answer.
$endgroup$
– Mohammed AL-Baqir Khalid Moham
Dec 14 '18 at 0:44






$begingroup$
ok i will do edit it but the main part of the question is why x^2 = 4 have 2 answer and x = 4^(1/2) equation didn't have same answer.
$endgroup$
– Mohammed AL-Baqir Khalid Moham
Dec 14 '18 at 0:44






2




2




$begingroup$
Imagine John has two sons; Fred who is older and Sam who is younger. $x^2=4$ is the like saying $x$'s father is John. $x=pmsqrt{4}$ is like like saying $x$ is one of John's sons. $x =sqrt{4}$ is like saying $x$ is the older son of John. $x=-sqrt{4}$ is like saying $x$ is the younger son of John. $x=pm2$ is like saying $x$ is Fred or Sam. $x=2$ is like saying $x$ is Fred. And $x=-2$ is like saying $x$ is Sam.
$endgroup$
– fleablood
Dec 14 '18 at 1:12






$begingroup$
Imagine John has two sons; Fred who is older and Sam who is younger. $x^2=4$ is the like saying $x$'s father is John. $x=pmsqrt{4}$ is like like saying $x$ is one of John's sons. $x =sqrt{4}$ is like saying $x$ is the older son of John. $x=-sqrt{4}$ is like saying $x$ is the younger son of John. $x=pm2$ is like saying $x$ is Fred or Sam. $x=2$ is like saying $x$ is Fred. And $x=-2$ is like saying $x$ is Sam.
$endgroup$
– fleablood
Dec 14 '18 at 1:12














$begingroup$
@fleablood Shouldn't that amazing explanation be put in an answer to make it more visible?
$endgroup$
– timtfj
Dec 14 '18 at 1:27




$begingroup$
@fleablood Shouldn't that amazing explanation be put in an answer to make it more visible?
$endgroup$
– timtfj
Dec 14 '18 at 1:27











0












$begingroup$

First of all $sqrt{n}$ is defined to always be a single value that is never negative.



So if $x=sqrt 4$ then then $x = 2$ and $xne -2$.



You are confusing this with



$x^2 = 4$ then $x =pm sqrt{4}$. But we do not know whether $x = sqrt 4 = 2$ or whether $x = -sqrt{4} = -2$. However we DO know that $sqrt{4} =2$ and $sqrt{4}$ does NOT equal $-2$.



However if we are told $x=sqrt{4}$ then we are being told that $x ne =-sqrt{4}$.



Second, you are treating $pm n$ as though it where a number. It isn't a number. It is statement that there are two possibilities to consider. Either $n$ or $-n$.



But both have to be possible. If we are told $x = 2$ we can't then say $x = pm 2$ because we know $x = -2$ is not possible. (Likewise if we are told $x = -2$ we can't say $x =pm 2$ because we know $x=2$ is not possible.



So if we are told $x^2 = 4$ then there are two possibilities. Either $x = 2$ or $x = -2$ and we don't know which. So we can say $x =pm 2$.



If however we are told $x = sqrt 4$ the we are given one value and we know $x = -sqrt 4$ is not possible.



Third



whe you go from $x = 4^{frac 12}$ to $x^2 = (4^{frac 12})^2$ you must make a mental note that $x > 0$. Squaring adds extranous solutions.



For example. If you have $x = 5$ and then you say $x^2 = 5^2 = 25$ you must remember that $x > 0$. Then when you so $x^2 =25 implies x =pm sqrt{25} = pm 5$ you must add But ALSO $x > 0$ so $x = sqrt{25} = 5$



So to correct everything you've done:



$x = sqrt 4$



$x = 2$



or:



$x = sqrt 4$



$x = 4^{frac 12}$



$x^2 = (4^{frac 12})^2$ (and $x > 0$)



$x^2 = 4^1$



$x = pm sqrt 4$ but $x > 0$ so



$x = sqrt 4$



$x= 2$.



But:



$x = sqrt 4$



$x = 4^{frac 12}$



$x = (2^2)^{frac 12}$



$x = 2^{frac 22}$



$x = 2^1$



$x = 2$



which is basically spinning your wheels in the mud.






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  • $begingroup$
    thanks for pointing that , but i was also confused with radical symbol itself.
    $endgroup$
    – Mohammed AL-Baqir Khalid Moham
    Dec 14 '18 at 1:13










  • $begingroup$
    The radical symbol means the POSITIVE square root. All positive numbers have two square roots. A positive square root and a negative square root. $sqrt{x}$ refers to the POSITIVE one. It does NOT refer to the negative one. $-sqrt{x}$ refers to the negative square root.
    $endgroup$
    – fleablood
    Dec 14 '18 at 1:16










  • $begingroup$
    So $sqrt{36} =6$ it does NOT equal $-6$. ANd $-sqrt{36}=-6$. It does NOT equal $6$.
    $endgroup$
    – fleablood
    Dec 14 '18 at 1:17










  • $begingroup$
    thanks ,but I already know most of things that community said but the main problem that make the confusing in my question that i used radical symbol to have both the positive and the negative roots , which is wrong.
    $endgroup$
    – Mohammed AL-Baqir Khalid Moham
    Dec 14 '18 at 1:23


















0












$begingroup$

First of all $sqrt{n}$ is defined to always be a single value that is never negative.



So if $x=sqrt 4$ then then $x = 2$ and $xne -2$.



You are confusing this with



$x^2 = 4$ then $x =pm sqrt{4}$. But we do not know whether $x = sqrt 4 = 2$ or whether $x = -sqrt{4} = -2$. However we DO know that $sqrt{4} =2$ and $sqrt{4}$ does NOT equal $-2$.



However if we are told $x=sqrt{4}$ then we are being told that $x ne =-sqrt{4}$.



Second, you are treating $pm n$ as though it where a number. It isn't a number. It is statement that there are two possibilities to consider. Either $n$ or $-n$.



But both have to be possible. If we are told $x = 2$ we can't then say $x = pm 2$ because we know $x = -2$ is not possible. (Likewise if we are told $x = -2$ we can't say $x =pm 2$ because we know $x=2$ is not possible.



So if we are told $x^2 = 4$ then there are two possibilities. Either $x = 2$ or $x = -2$ and we don't know which. So we can say $x =pm 2$.



If however we are told $x = sqrt 4$ the we are given one value and we know $x = -sqrt 4$ is not possible.



Third



whe you go from $x = 4^{frac 12}$ to $x^2 = (4^{frac 12})^2$ you must make a mental note that $x > 0$. Squaring adds extranous solutions.



For example. If you have $x = 5$ and then you say $x^2 = 5^2 = 25$ you must remember that $x > 0$. Then when you so $x^2 =25 implies x =pm sqrt{25} = pm 5$ you must add But ALSO $x > 0$ so $x = sqrt{25} = 5$



So to correct everything you've done:



$x = sqrt 4$



$x = 2$



or:



$x = sqrt 4$



$x = 4^{frac 12}$



$x^2 = (4^{frac 12})^2$ (and $x > 0$)



$x^2 = 4^1$



$x = pm sqrt 4$ but $x > 0$ so



$x = sqrt 4$



$x= 2$.



But:



$x = sqrt 4$



$x = 4^{frac 12}$



$x = (2^2)^{frac 12}$



$x = 2^{frac 22}$



$x = 2^1$



$x = 2$



which is basically spinning your wheels in the mud.






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$endgroup$













  • $begingroup$
    thanks for pointing that , but i was also confused with radical symbol itself.
    $endgroup$
    – Mohammed AL-Baqir Khalid Moham
    Dec 14 '18 at 1:13










  • $begingroup$
    The radical symbol means the POSITIVE square root. All positive numbers have two square roots. A positive square root and a negative square root. $sqrt{x}$ refers to the POSITIVE one. It does NOT refer to the negative one. $-sqrt{x}$ refers to the negative square root.
    $endgroup$
    – fleablood
    Dec 14 '18 at 1:16










  • $begingroup$
    So $sqrt{36} =6$ it does NOT equal $-6$. ANd $-sqrt{36}=-6$. It does NOT equal $6$.
    $endgroup$
    – fleablood
    Dec 14 '18 at 1:17










  • $begingroup$
    thanks ,but I already know most of things that community said but the main problem that make the confusing in my question that i used radical symbol to have both the positive and the negative roots , which is wrong.
    $endgroup$
    – Mohammed AL-Baqir Khalid Moham
    Dec 14 '18 at 1:23
















0












0








0





$begingroup$

First of all $sqrt{n}$ is defined to always be a single value that is never negative.



So if $x=sqrt 4$ then then $x = 2$ and $xne -2$.



You are confusing this with



$x^2 = 4$ then $x =pm sqrt{4}$. But we do not know whether $x = sqrt 4 = 2$ or whether $x = -sqrt{4} = -2$. However we DO know that $sqrt{4} =2$ and $sqrt{4}$ does NOT equal $-2$.



However if we are told $x=sqrt{4}$ then we are being told that $x ne =-sqrt{4}$.



Second, you are treating $pm n$ as though it where a number. It isn't a number. It is statement that there are two possibilities to consider. Either $n$ or $-n$.



But both have to be possible. If we are told $x = 2$ we can't then say $x = pm 2$ because we know $x = -2$ is not possible. (Likewise if we are told $x = -2$ we can't say $x =pm 2$ because we know $x=2$ is not possible.



So if we are told $x^2 = 4$ then there are two possibilities. Either $x = 2$ or $x = -2$ and we don't know which. So we can say $x =pm 2$.



If however we are told $x = sqrt 4$ the we are given one value and we know $x = -sqrt 4$ is not possible.



Third



whe you go from $x = 4^{frac 12}$ to $x^2 = (4^{frac 12})^2$ you must make a mental note that $x > 0$. Squaring adds extranous solutions.



For example. If you have $x = 5$ and then you say $x^2 = 5^2 = 25$ you must remember that $x > 0$. Then when you so $x^2 =25 implies x =pm sqrt{25} = pm 5$ you must add But ALSO $x > 0$ so $x = sqrt{25} = 5$



So to correct everything you've done:



$x = sqrt 4$



$x = 2$



or:



$x = sqrt 4$



$x = 4^{frac 12}$



$x^2 = (4^{frac 12})^2$ (and $x > 0$)



$x^2 = 4^1$



$x = pm sqrt 4$ but $x > 0$ so



$x = sqrt 4$



$x= 2$.



But:



$x = sqrt 4$



$x = 4^{frac 12}$



$x = (2^2)^{frac 12}$



$x = 2^{frac 22}$



$x = 2^1$



$x = 2$



which is basically spinning your wheels in the mud.






share|cite|improve this answer









$endgroup$



First of all $sqrt{n}$ is defined to always be a single value that is never negative.



So if $x=sqrt 4$ then then $x = 2$ and $xne -2$.



You are confusing this with



$x^2 = 4$ then $x =pm sqrt{4}$. But we do not know whether $x = sqrt 4 = 2$ or whether $x = -sqrt{4} = -2$. However we DO know that $sqrt{4} =2$ and $sqrt{4}$ does NOT equal $-2$.



However if we are told $x=sqrt{4}$ then we are being told that $x ne =-sqrt{4}$.



Second, you are treating $pm n$ as though it where a number. It isn't a number. It is statement that there are two possibilities to consider. Either $n$ or $-n$.



But both have to be possible. If we are told $x = 2$ we can't then say $x = pm 2$ because we know $x = -2$ is not possible. (Likewise if we are told $x = -2$ we can't say $x =pm 2$ because we know $x=2$ is not possible.



So if we are told $x^2 = 4$ then there are two possibilities. Either $x = 2$ or $x = -2$ and we don't know which. So we can say $x =pm 2$.



If however we are told $x = sqrt 4$ the we are given one value and we know $x = -sqrt 4$ is not possible.



Third



whe you go from $x = 4^{frac 12}$ to $x^2 = (4^{frac 12})^2$ you must make a mental note that $x > 0$. Squaring adds extranous solutions.



For example. If you have $x = 5$ and then you say $x^2 = 5^2 = 25$ you must remember that $x > 0$. Then when you so $x^2 =25 implies x =pm sqrt{25} = pm 5$ you must add But ALSO $x > 0$ so $x = sqrt{25} = 5$



So to correct everything you've done:



$x = sqrt 4$



$x = 2$



or:



$x = sqrt 4$



$x = 4^{frac 12}$



$x^2 = (4^{frac 12})^2$ (and $x > 0$)



$x^2 = 4^1$



$x = pm sqrt 4$ but $x > 0$ so



$x = sqrt 4$



$x= 2$.



But:



$x = sqrt 4$



$x = 4^{frac 12}$



$x = (2^2)^{frac 12}$



$x = 2^{frac 22}$



$x = 2^1$



$x = 2$



which is basically spinning your wheels in the mud.







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answered Dec 14 '18 at 1:02









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  • $begingroup$
    thanks for pointing that , but i was also confused with radical symbol itself.
    $endgroup$
    – Mohammed AL-Baqir Khalid Moham
    Dec 14 '18 at 1:13










  • $begingroup$
    The radical symbol means the POSITIVE square root. All positive numbers have two square roots. A positive square root and a negative square root. $sqrt{x}$ refers to the POSITIVE one. It does NOT refer to the negative one. $-sqrt{x}$ refers to the negative square root.
    $endgroup$
    – fleablood
    Dec 14 '18 at 1:16










  • $begingroup$
    So $sqrt{36} =6$ it does NOT equal $-6$. ANd $-sqrt{36}=-6$. It does NOT equal $6$.
    $endgroup$
    – fleablood
    Dec 14 '18 at 1:17










  • $begingroup$
    thanks ,but I already know most of things that community said but the main problem that make the confusing in my question that i used radical symbol to have both the positive and the negative roots , which is wrong.
    $endgroup$
    – Mohammed AL-Baqir Khalid Moham
    Dec 14 '18 at 1:23




















  • $begingroup$
    thanks for pointing that , but i was also confused with radical symbol itself.
    $endgroup$
    – Mohammed AL-Baqir Khalid Moham
    Dec 14 '18 at 1:13










  • $begingroup$
    The radical symbol means the POSITIVE square root. All positive numbers have two square roots. A positive square root and a negative square root. $sqrt{x}$ refers to the POSITIVE one. It does NOT refer to the negative one. $-sqrt{x}$ refers to the negative square root.
    $endgroup$
    – fleablood
    Dec 14 '18 at 1:16










  • $begingroup$
    So $sqrt{36} =6$ it does NOT equal $-6$. ANd $-sqrt{36}=-6$. It does NOT equal $6$.
    $endgroup$
    – fleablood
    Dec 14 '18 at 1:17










  • $begingroup$
    thanks ,but I already know most of things that community said but the main problem that make the confusing in my question that i used radical symbol to have both the positive and the negative roots , which is wrong.
    $endgroup$
    – Mohammed AL-Baqir Khalid Moham
    Dec 14 '18 at 1:23


















$begingroup$
thanks for pointing that , but i was also confused with radical symbol itself.
$endgroup$
– Mohammed AL-Baqir Khalid Moham
Dec 14 '18 at 1:13




$begingroup$
thanks for pointing that , but i was also confused with radical symbol itself.
$endgroup$
– Mohammed AL-Baqir Khalid Moham
Dec 14 '18 at 1:13












$begingroup$
The radical symbol means the POSITIVE square root. All positive numbers have two square roots. A positive square root and a negative square root. $sqrt{x}$ refers to the POSITIVE one. It does NOT refer to the negative one. $-sqrt{x}$ refers to the negative square root.
$endgroup$
– fleablood
Dec 14 '18 at 1:16




$begingroup$
The radical symbol means the POSITIVE square root. All positive numbers have two square roots. A positive square root and a negative square root. $sqrt{x}$ refers to the POSITIVE one. It does NOT refer to the negative one. $-sqrt{x}$ refers to the negative square root.
$endgroup$
– fleablood
Dec 14 '18 at 1:16












$begingroup$
So $sqrt{36} =6$ it does NOT equal $-6$. ANd $-sqrt{36}=-6$. It does NOT equal $6$.
$endgroup$
– fleablood
Dec 14 '18 at 1:17




$begingroup$
So $sqrt{36} =6$ it does NOT equal $-6$. ANd $-sqrt{36}=-6$. It does NOT equal $6$.
$endgroup$
– fleablood
Dec 14 '18 at 1:17












$begingroup$
thanks ,but I already know most of things that community said but the main problem that make the confusing in my question that i used radical symbol to have both the positive and the negative roots , which is wrong.
$endgroup$
– Mohammed AL-Baqir Khalid Moham
Dec 14 '18 at 1:23






$begingroup$
thanks ,but I already know most of things that community said but the main problem that make the confusing in my question that i used radical symbol to have both the positive and the negative roots , which is wrong.
$endgroup$
– Mohammed AL-Baqir Khalid Moham
Dec 14 '18 at 1:23




















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