Now that Simulacrums are constructs, should healing methods that work on other constructs work on them as...











up vote
7
down vote

favorite












The simulacrum spell description states the following:




If the simulacrum is damaged, you can repair it in an alchemical laboratory, using rare herbs and minerals worth 100 gp per hit point it regains.




Up until the 2018 errata, simulacrums were deemed as being humanoids by many, but there was some sort of common agreement that healing methods (such as the cure wounds spell) did not work on them, because allowing them to work would render the above alchemical process pointless.



But now that simulacrums are considered constructs, most healing methods do not work on them by default, since many of them have the following clause:




This spell has no effect on undead or constructs.




So, my question is: now that the above alchemical process is no longer invalidated by easily available healing methods (that have the no-construct clause), should the few healing methods that lack that clause - and are therefore construct friendly (such as the regenerate spell) - be able to affect simulacrums? In other words, is the common agreement still necessary?










share|improve this question




















  • 1




    Related (possibly duplicate): Can the creature created by a Simulacrum spell be affected by healing magic?
    – Rubiksmoose
    Nov 19 at 19:35















up vote
7
down vote

favorite












The simulacrum spell description states the following:




If the simulacrum is damaged, you can repair it in an alchemical laboratory, using rare herbs and minerals worth 100 gp per hit point it regains.




Up until the 2018 errata, simulacrums were deemed as being humanoids by many, but there was some sort of common agreement that healing methods (such as the cure wounds spell) did not work on them, because allowing them to work would render the above alchemical process pointless.



But now that simulacrums are considered constructs, most healing methods do not work on them by default, since many of them have the following clause:




This spell has no effect on undead or constructs.




So, my question is: now that the above alchemical process is no longer invalidated by easily available healing methods (that have the no-construct clause), should the few healing methods that lack that clause - and are therefore construct friendly (such as the regenerate spell) - be able to affect simulacrums? In other words, is the common agreement still necessary?










share|improve this question




















  • 1




    Related (possibly duplicate): Can the creature created by a Simulacrum spell be affected by healing magic?
    – Rubiksmoose
    Nov 19 at 19:35













up vote
7
down vote

favorite









up vote
7
down vote

favorite











The simulacrum spell description states the following:




If the simulacrum is damaged, you can repair it in an alchemical laboratory, using rare herbs and minerals worth 100 gp per hit point it regains.




Up until the 2018 errata, simulacrums were deemed as being humanoids by many, but there was some sort of common agreement that healing methods (such as the cure wounds spell) did not work on them, because allowing them to work would render the above alchemical process pointless.



But now that simulacrums are considered constructs, most healing methods do not work on them by default, since many of them have the following clause:




This spell has no effect on undead or constructs.




So, my question is: now that the above alchemical process is no longer invalidated by easily available healing methods (that have the no-construct clause), should the few healing methods that lack that clause - and are therefore construct friendly (such as the regenerate spell) - be able to affect simulacrums? In other words, is the common agreement still necessary?










share|improve this question















The simulacrum spell description states the following:




If the simulacrum is damaged, you can repair it in an alchemical laboratory, using rare herbs and minerals worth 100 gp per hit point it regains.




Up until the 2018 errata, simulacrums were deemed as being humanoids by many, but there was some sort of common agreement that healing methods (such as the cure wounds spell) did not work on them, because allowing them to work would render the above alchemical process pointless.



But now that simulacrums are considered constructs, most healing methods do not work on them by default, since many of them have the following clause:




This spell has no effect on undead or constructs.




So, my question is: now that the above alchemical process is no longer invalidated by easily available healing methods (that have the no-construct clause), should the few healing methods that lack that clause - and are therefore construct friendly (such as the regenerate spell) - be able to affect simulacrums? In other words, is the common agreement still necessary?







dnd-5e spells healing constructs






share|improve this question















share|improve this question













share|improve this question




share|improve this question








edited Nov 20 at 6:32









V2Blast

18.5k249114




18.5k249114










asked Nov 19 at 19:17









Gael L

7,967231144




7,967231144








  • 1




    Related (possibly duplicate): Can the creature created by a Simulacrum spell be affected by healing magic?
    – Rubiksmoose
    Nov 19 at 19:35














  • 1




    Related (possibly duplicate): Can the creature created by a Simulacrum spell be affected by healing magic?
    – Rubiksmoose
    Nov 19 at 19:35








1




1




Related (possibly duplicate): Can the creature created by a Simulacrum spell be affected by healing magic?
– Rubiksmoose
Nov 19 at 19:35




Related (possibly duplicate): Can the creature created by a Simulacrum spell be affected by healing magic?
– Rubiksmoose
Nov 19 at 19:35










1 Answer
1






active

oldest

votes

















up vote
13
down vote













Strict RAW: you can heal a simulacrum, but it goes against intent and common sense



There is no explicit statement in the spell description specifically forbidding healing the simulacrum via other means. Thus, by strict RAW it is not forbidden to do so. Just be aware that constructs are restricted from many healing spells.



However, allowing this goes against the intent of the spell as well as make the spell more powerful than it already is by providing lots more avenues for healing.



Rules as Intended and Common Sense: No, the alchemical process is the only way it can regain hit points



Rules as Intended



Jeremy Crawford makes the intent of the spell clear in a Tweet made before the 2018 errata:




To restore hit points to a simulacrum, you must use the costly alchemical procedure mentioned in the spell.




(emphasis mine)



Rules as Common Sense:




If the simulacrum is damaged, you can repair it in an alchemical laboratory, using rare herbs and minerals worth 100 gp per hit point it regains.




Repair not heal



First note that this does not say heal it says repair. Though treated as a normal construct it is still a special being made of ice and snow. It is that reason that it likely has a special way to repair it.



Allowing other forms of healing means that the alchemical process would be useless



This statement must preclude other forms of regaining hit points otherwise it is meaningless. Even though it does not say so explicitly, the above method is clearly meant to be the only way to regain hit points for a simulacrum.



It does not say that potions or healing magic or rest doesn't work for example, but if they were possible then the expensive complicated process for healing would be meaningless and there would be no point in including it. Sleep especially makes this meaningless because it is free and available to every creature/class and allows for healing completely. Why would anybody ever pay 100gp per hit point if they could sleep or use any of the myriad of other methods for regaining hit points available? This logic also applies to traits or features or magic that let you heal.



The simulacrum being a construct doesn't change anything about the general case: they cannot be healed



The 2018 PHB errata has specified that the simulacrum is now considered to be a construct. As such, many healing spells will not even work on it explicitly. However, this does not change any of the logic above saying that simulacrum cannot be healed by means other than the one offered in the spell.






share|improve this answer



















  • 4




    I think it's worth noting that even in his tweet, JC avoids using the word "heal", instead saying "restore hit points", which further reinforces your point that the simulacrum cannot be healed by any means, only repaired.
    – Ryan Thompson
    Nov 19 at 19:49












  • Let us continue this discussion in chat.
    – Rubiksmoose
    Nov 20 at 16:28











Your Answer





StackExchange.ifUsing("editor", function () {
return StackExchange.using("mathjaxEditing", function () {
StackExchange.MarkdownEditor.creationCallbacks.add(function (editor, postfix) {
StackExchange.mathjaxEditing.prepareWmdForMathJax(editor, postfix, [["\$", "\$"]]);
});
});
}, "mathjax-editing");

StackExchange.ready(function() {
var channelOptions = {
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "122"
};
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);

StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function() {
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled) {
StackExchange.using("snippets", function() {
createEditor();
});
}
else {
createEditor();
}
});

function createEditor() {
StackExchange.prepareEditor({
heartbeatType: 'answer',
convertImagesToLinks: false,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: null,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader: {
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
},
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
});


}
});














draft saved

draft discarded


















StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2frpg.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f135911%2fnow-that-simulacrums-are-constructs-should-healing-methods-that-work-on-other-c%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);

Post as a guest















Required, but never shown

























1 Answer
1






active

oldest

votes








1 Answer
1






active

oldest

votes









active

oldest

votes






active

oldest

votes








up vote
13
down vote













Strict RAW: you can heal a simulacrum, but it goes against intent and common sense



There is no explicit statement in the spell description specifically forbidding healing the simulacrum via other means. Thus, by strict RAW it is not forbidden to do so. Just be aware that constructs are restricted from many healing spells.



However, allowing this goes against the intent of the spell as well as make the spell more powerful than it already is by providing lots more avenues for healing.



Rules as Intended and Common Sense: No, the alchemical process is the only way it can regain hit points



Rules as Intended



Jeremy Crawford makes the intent of the spell clear in a Tweet made before the 2018 errata:




To restore hit points to a simulacrum, you must use the costly alchemical procedure mentioned in the spell.




(emphasis mine)



Rules as Common Sense:




If the simulacrum is damaged, you can repair it in an alchemical laboratory, using rare herbs and minerals worth 100 gp per hit point it regains.




Repair not heal



First note that this does not say heal it says repair. Though treated as a normal construct it is still a special being made of ice and snow. It is that reason that it likely has a special way to repair it.



Allowing other forms of healing means that the alchemical process would be useless



This statement must preclude other forms of regaining hit points otherwise it is meaningless. Even though it does not say so explicitly, the above method is clearly meant to be the only way to regain hit points for a simulacrum.



It does not say that potions or healing magic or rest doesn't work for example, but if they were possible then the expensive complicated process for healing would be meaningless and there would be no point in including it. Sleep especially makes this meaningless because it is free and available to every creature/class and allows for healing completely. Why would anybody ever pay 100gp per hit point if they could sleep or use any of the myriad of other methods for regaining hit points available? This logic also applies to traits or features or magic that let you heal.



The simulacrum being a construct doesn't change anything about the general case: they cannot be healed



The 2018 PHB errata has specified that the simulacrum is now considered to be a construct. As such, many healing spells will not even work on it explicitly. However, this does not change any of the logic above saying that simulacrum cannot be healed by means other than the one offered in the spell.






share|improve this answer



















  • 4




    I think it's worth noting that even in his tweet, JC avoids using the word "heal", instead saying "restore hit points", which further reinforces your point that the simulacrum cannot be healed by any means, only repaired.
    – Ryan Thompson
    Nov 19 at 19:49












  • Let us continue this discussion in chat.
    – Rubiksmoose
    Nov 20 at 16:28















up vote
13
down vote













Strict RAW: you can heal a simulacrum, but it goes against intent and common sense



There is no explicit statement in the spell description specifically forbidding healing the simulacrum via other means. Thus, by strict RAW it is not forbidden to do so. Just be aware that constructs are restricted from many healing spells.



However, allowing this goes against the intent of the spell as well as make the spell more powerful than it already is by providing lots more avenues for healing.



Rules as Intended and Common Sense: No, the alchemical process is the only way it can regain hit points



Rules as Intended



Jeremy Crawford makes the intent of the spell clear in a Tweet made before the 2018 errata:




To restore hit points to a simulacrum, you must use the costly alchemical procedure mentioned in the spell.




(emphasis mine)



Rules as Common Sense:




If the simulacrum is damaged, you can repair it in an alchemical laboratory, using rare herbs and minerals worth 100 gp per hit point it regains.




Repair not heal



First note that this does not say heal it says repair. Though treated as a normal construct it is still a special being made of ice and snow. It is that reason that it likely has a special way to repair it.



Allowing other forms of healing means that the alchemical process would be useless



This statement must preclude other forms of regaining hit points otherwise it is meaningless. Even though it does not say so explicitly, the above method is clearly meant to be the only way to regain hit points for a simulacrum.



It does not say that potions or healing magic or rest doesn't work for example, but if they were possible then the expensive complicated process for healing would be meaningless and there would be no point in including it. Sleep especially makes this meaningless because it is free and available to every creature/class and allows for healing completely. Why would anybody ever pay 100gp per hit point if they could sleep or use any of the myriad of other methods for regaining hit points available? This logic also applies to traits or features or magic that let you heal.



The simulacrum being a construct doesn't change anything about the general case: they cannot be healed



The 2018 PHB errata has specified that the simulacrum is now considered to be a construct. As such, many healing spells will not even work on it explicitly. However, this does not change any of the logic above saying that simulacrum cannot be healed by means other than the one offered in the spell.






share|improve this answer



















  • 4




    I think it's worth noting that even in his tweet, JC avoids using the word "heal", instead saying "restore hit points", which further reinforces your point that the simulacrum cannot be healed by any means, only repaired.
    – Ryan Thompson
    Nov 19 at 19:49












  • Let us continue this discussion in chat.
    – Rubiksmoose
    Nov 20 at 16:28













up vote
13
down vote










up vote
13
down vote









Strict RAW: you can heal a simulacrum, but it goes against intent and common sense



There is no explicit statement in the spell description specifically forbidding healing the simulacrum via other means. Thus, by strict RAW it is not forbidden to do so. Just be aware that constructs are restricted from many healing spells.



However, allowing this goes against the intent of the spell as well as make the spell more powerful than it already is by providing lots more avenues for healing.



Rules as Intended and Common Sense: No, the alchemical process is the only way it can regain hit points



Rules as Intended



Jeremy Crawford makes the intent of the spell clear in a Tweet made before the 2018 errata:




To restore hit points to a simulacrum, you must use the costly alchemical procedure mentioned in the spell.




(emphasis mine)



Rules as Common Sense:




If the simulacrum is damaged, you can repair it in an alchemical laboratory, using rare herbs and minerals worth 100 gp per hit point it regains.




Repair not heal



First note that this does not say heal it says repair. Though treated as a normal construct it is still a special being made of ice and snow. It is that reason that it likely has a special way to repair it.



Allowing other forms of healing means that the alchemical process would be useless



This statement must preclude other forms of regaining hit points otherwise it is meaningless. Even though it does not say so explicitly, the above method is clearly meant to be the only way to regain hit points for a simulacrum.



It does not say that potions or healing magic or rest doesn't work for example, but if they were possible then the expensive complicated process for healing would be meaningless and there would be no point in including it. Sleep especially makes this meaningless because it is free and available to every creature/class and allows for healing completely. Why would anybody ever pay 100gp per hit point if they could sleep or use any of the myriad of other methods for regaining hit points available? This logic also applies to traits or features or magic that let you heal.



The simulacrum being a construct doesn't change anything about the general case: they cannot be healed



The 2018 PHB errata has specified that the simulacrum is now considered to be a construct. As such, many healing spells will not even work on it explicitly. However, this does not change any of the logic above saying that simulacrum cannot be healed by means other than the one offered in the spell.






share|improve this answer














Strict RAW: you can heal a simulacrum, but it goes against intent and common sense



There is no explicit statement in the spell description specifically forbidding healing the simulacrum via other means. Thus, by strict RAW it is not forbidden to do so. Just be aware that constructs are restricted from many healing spells.



However, allowing this goes against the intent of the spell as well as make the spell more powerful than it already is by providing lots more avenues for healing.



Rules as Intended and Common Sense: No, the alchemical process is the only way it can regain hit points



Rules as Intended



Jeremy Crawford makes the intent of the spell clear in a Tweet made before the 2018 errata:




To restore hit points to a simulacrum, you must use the costly alchemical procedure mentioned in the spell.




(emphasis mine)



Rules as Common Sense:




If the simulacrum is damaged, you can repair it in an alchemical laboratory, using rare herbs and minerals worth 100 gp per hit point it regains.




Repair not heal



First note that this does not say heal it says repair. Though treated as a normal construct it is still a special being made of ice and snow. It is that reason that it likely has a special way to repair it.



Allowing other forms of healing means that the alchemical process would be useless



This statement must preclude other forms of regaining hit points otherwise it is meaningless. Even though it does not say so explicitly, the above method is clearly meant to be the only way to regain hit points for a simulacrum.



It does not say that potions or healing magic or rest doesn't work for example, but if they were possible then the expensive complicated process for healing would be meaningless and there would be no point in including it. Sleep especially makes this meaningless because it is free and available to every creature/class and allows for healing completely. Why would anybody ever pay 100gp per hit point if they could sleep or use any of the myriad of other methods for regaining hit points available? This logic also applies to traits or features or magic that let you heal.



The simulacrum being a construct doesn't change anything about the general case: they cannot be healed



The 2018 PHB errata has specified that the simulacrum is now considered to be a construct. As such, many healing spells will not even work on it explicitly. However, this does not change any of the logic above saying that simulacrum cannot be healed by means other than the one offered in the spell.







share|improve this answer














share|improve this answer



share|improve this answer








edited Nov 20 at 17:17

























answered Nov 19 at 19:27









Rubiksmoose

45.1k6225345




45.1k6225345








  • 4




    I think it's worth noting that even in his tweet, JC avoids using the word "heal", instead saying "restore hit points", which further reinforces your point that the simulacrum cannot be healed by any means, only repaired.
    – Ryan Thompson
    Nov 19 at 19:49












  • Let us continue this discussion in chat.
    – Rubiksmoose
    Nov 20 at 16:28














  • 4




    I think it's worth noting that even in his tweet, JC avoids using the word "heal", instead saying "restore hit points", which further reinforces your point that the simulacrum cannot be healed by any means, only repaired.
    – Ryan Thompson
    Nov 19 at 19:49












  • Let us continue this discussion in chat.
    – Rubiksmoose
    Nov 20 at 16:28








4




4




I think it's worth noting that even in his tweet, JC avoids using the word "heal", instead saying "restore hit points", which further reinforces your point that the simulacrum cannot be healed by any means, only repaired.
– Ryan Thompson
Nov 19 at 19:49






I think it's worth noting that even in his tweet, JC avoids using the word "heal", instead saying "restore hit points", which further reinforces your point that the simulacrum cannot be healed by any means, only repaired.
– Ryan Thompson
Nov 19 at 19:49














Let us continue this discussion in chat.
– Rubiksmoose
Nov 20 at 16:28




Let us continue this discussion in chat.
– Rubiksmoose
Nov 20 at 16:28


















draft saved

draft discarded




















































Thanks for contributing an answer to Role-playing Games Stack Exchange!


  • Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!

But avoid



  • Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.

  • Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.


Use MathJax to format equations. MathJax reference.


To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.





Some of your past answers have not been well-received, and you're in danger of being blocked from answering.


Please pay close attention to the following guidance:


  • Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!

But avoid



  • Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.

  • Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.


To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.




draft saved


draft discarded














StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2frpg.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f135911%2fnow-that-simulacrums-are-constructs-should-healing-methods-that-work-on-other-c%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);

Post as a guest















Required, but never shown





















































Required, but never shown














Required, but never shown












Required, but never shown







Required, but never shown

































Required, but never shown














Required, but never shown












Required, but never shown







Required, but never shown







Popular posts from this blog

Wiesbaden

Marschland

Dieringhausen