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I have to solve this system of equations with $(x,y,z) ∈ ℝ$



$x^2 + y + z = q$



$x+ y^2 + z = q$



$x + y + z^2 = q$



for $q = -1$



So we have:



$x^2 + y + z = -1$ (1)



$x+ y^2 + z = -1$ (2)



$x + y + z^2 = -1$ (3)



I do not have an idea for an approach.
Should I subtract some equations?



Like (1) - (3):



$ x^2-x + z - z^2 = 0 $



$(x+z-1)(x-z)=0$



If one of the factors equals 0, the whole equations will be 0.



Thus:



I $x+z-1=0 => z=x-1$



II $x=z$



Can this be done without breaking the laws of mathematics? In the comments it says



We would then get



$x=y=z=-1$



Thanks for the help.










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  • (1)-(3) is $x^2-z^2+z-x=(x+z-1)(x-z)=0$. Can you go from here?
    – player100
    Nov 17 at 12:31










  • Do I have to write x in function of z? Like $x = -z+1$
    – calculatormathematical
    Nov 17 at 12:37












  • Either $z=x$, or $z=1-x$. Rewrite your system in both cases. Remember $x=y=z=-1$ is a solution of your system.
    – Nicolas FRANCOIS
    Nov 17 at 12:56















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I have to solve this system of equations with $(x,y,z) ∈ ℝ$



$x^2 + y + z = q$



$x+ y^2 + z = q$



$x + y + z^2 = q$



for $q = -1$



So we have:



$x^2 + y + z = -1$ (1)



$x+ y^2 + z = -1$ (2)



$x + y + z^2 = -1$ (3)



I do not have an idea for an approach.
Should I subtract some equations?



Like (1) - (3):



$ x^2-x + z - z^2 = 0 $



$(x+z-1)(x-z)=0$



If one of the factors equals 0, the whole equations will be 0.



Thus:



I $x+z-1=0 => z=x-1$



II $x=z$



Can this be done without breaking the laws of mathematics? In the comments it says



We would then get



$x=y=z=-1$



Thanks for the help.










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  • (1)-(3) is $x^2-z^2+z-x=(x+z-1)(x-z)=0$. Can you go from here?
    – player100
    Nov 17 at 12:31










  • Do I have to write x in function of z? Like $x = -z+1$
    – calculatormathematical
    Nov 17 at 12:37












  • Either $z=x$, or $z=1-x$. Rewrite your system in both cases. Remember $x=y=z=-1$ is a solution of your system.
    – Nicolas FRANCOIS
    Nov 17 at 12:56













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I have to solve this system of equations with $(x,y,z) ∈ ℝ$



$x^2 + y + z = q$



$x+ y^2 + z = q$



$x + y + z^2 = q$



for $q = -1$



So we have:



$x^2 + y + z = -1$ (1)



$x+ y^2 + z = -1$ (2)



$x + y + z^2 = -1$ (3)



I do not have an idea for an approach.
Should I subtract some equations?



Like (1) - (3):



$ x^2-x + z - z^2 = 0 $



$(x+z-1)(x-z)=0$



If one of the factors equals 0, the whole equations will be 0.



Thus:



I $x+z-1=0 => z=x-1$



II $x=z$



Can this be done without breaking the laws of mathematics? In the comments it says



We would then get



$x=y=z=-1$



Thanks for the help.










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I have to solve this system of equations with $(x,y,z) ∈ ℝ$



$x^2 + y + z = q$



$x+ y^2 + z = q$



$x + y + z^2 = q$



for $q = -1$



So we have:



$x^2 + y + z = -1$ (1)



$x+ y^2 + z = -1$ (2)



$x + y + z^2 = -1$ (3)



I do not have an idea for an approach.
Should I subtract some equations?



Like (1) - (3):



$ x^2-x + z - z^2 = 0 $



$(x+z-1)(x-z)=0$



If one of the factors equals 0, the whole equations will be 0.



Thus:



I $x+z-1=0 => z=x-1$



II $x=z$



Can this be done without breaking the laws of mathematics? In the comments it says



We would then get



$x=y=z=-1$



Thanks for the help.







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  • (1)-(3) is $x^2-z^2+z-x=(x+z-1)(x-z)=0$. Can you go from here?
    – player100
    Nov 17 at 12:31










  • Do I have to write x in function of z? Like $x = -z+1$
    – calculatormathematical
    Nov 17 at 12:37












  • Either $z=x$, or $z=1-x$. Rewrite your system in both cases. Remember $x=y=z=-1$ is a solution of your system.
    – Nicolas FRANCOIS
    Nov 17 at 12:56


















  • (1)-(3) is $x^2-z^2+z-x=(x+z-1)(x-z)=0$. Can you go from here?
    – player100
    Nov 17 at 12:31










  • Do I have to write x in function of z? Like $x = -z+1$
    – calculatormathematical
    Nov 17 at 12:37












  • Either $z=x$, or $z=1-x$. Rewrite your system in both cases. Remember $x=y=z=-1$ is a solution of your system.
    – Nicolas FRANCOIS
    Nov 17 at 12:56
















(1)-(3) is $x^2-z^2+z-x=(x+z-1)(x-z)=0$. Can you go from here?
– player100
Nov 17 at 12:31




(1)-(3) is $x^2-z^2+z-x=(x+z-1)(x-z)=0$. Can you go from here?
– player100
Nov 17 at 12:31












Do I have to write x in function of z? Like $x = -z+1$
– calculatormathematical
Nov 17 at 12:37






Do I have to write x in function of z? Like $x = -z+1$
– calculatormathematical
Nov 17 at 12:37














Either $z=x$, or $z=1-x$. Rewrite your system in both cases. Remember $x=y=z=-1$ is a solution of your system.
– Nicolas FRANCOIS
Nov 17 at 12:56




Either $z=x$, or $z=1-x$. Rewrite your system in both cases. Remember $x=y=z=-1$ is a solution of your system.
– Nicolas FRANCOIS
Nov 17 at 12:56










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In this kind of "symetric" systems, introducing the symetric functions of $x,y,z$ is often a good idea. Let $sigma=x+y+z$. Then you can rewrite your system :
$$left{begin{matrix}x^2-x+s+1=0 \ y^2-y+s+1=0 \ z^2-z+s+1=0 \ s=x+y+z end{matrix}right.$$
Each of the first three equations is of the form $X^2-X+a=0$, so $X=frac12pmdelta$, where $delta$ is a square root of $-s-frac34$ (we'll discuss the "reality" of those solutions later). Each of $x$, $y$ and $z$ belongs to the set ${frac12-delta,frac12+delta}$.



Adding those three solutions, you find $s=x+y+z=frac32+k$, where $kin{-3delta,-delta,delta,3delta}$, so $(s-frac32)^2=-s-frac34$ or $(s-frac32)^2=-9s-frac{27}{4}$.



First equation has no real solution, second has unique solution $s=-3$. Now $x$, $y$ and $z$ are solutions of $X^2-X-2=0$, so they are either $-1$ or $2$, but as $s=-1$, only remains the solution $x=y=z=-1$.



Certainly not the easiest way to find the solutions (remains to study the complex solutions), but funny, no ?






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  • I didn't think any more math was needed than to see that if all $x=y=z=-1$, then any one of them squared would yield $1$ and the other two would sum to $-2$. You did have an interesting way of showing it to be the case though.
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    Nov 17 at 13:19











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In this kind of "symetric" systems, introducing the symetric functions of $x,y,z$ is often a good idea. Let $sigma=x+y+z$. Then you can rewrite your system :
$$left{begin{matrix}x^2-x+s+1=0 \ y^2-y+s+1=0 \ z^2-z+s+1=0 \ s=x+y+z end{matrix}right.$$
Each of the first three equations is of the form $X^2-X+a=0$, so $X=frac12pmdelta$, where $delta$ is a square root of $-s-frac34$ (we'll discuss the "reality" of those solutions later). Each of $x$, $y$ and $z$ belongs to the set ${frac12-delta,frac12+delta}$.



Adding those three solutions, you find $s=x+y+z=frac32+k$, where $kin{-3delta,-delta,delta,3delta}$, so $(s-frac32)^2=-s-frac34$ or $(s-frac32)^2=-9s-frac{27}{4}$.



First equation has no real solution, second has unique solution $s=-3$. Now $x$, $y$ and $z$ are solutions of $X^2-X-2=0$, so they are either $-1$ or $2$, but as $s=-1$, only remains the solution $x=y=z=-1$.



Certainly not the easiest way to find the solutions (remains to study the complex solutions), but funny, no ?






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  • I didn't think any more math was needed than to see that if all $x=y=z=-1$, then any one of them squared would yield $1$ and the other two would sum to $-2$. You did have an interesting way of showing it to be the case though.
    – poetasis
    Nov 17 at 13:19















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In this kind of "symetric" systems, introducing the symetric functions of $x,y,z$ is often a good idea. Let $sigma=x+y+z$. Then you can rewrite your system :
$$left{begin{matrix}x^2-x+s+1=0 \ y^2-y+s+1=0 \ z^2-z+s+1=0 \ s=x+y+z end{matrix}right.$$
Each of the first three equations is of the form $X^2-X+a=0$, so $X=frac12pmdelta$, where $delta$ is a square root of $-s-frac34$ (we'll discuss the "reality" of those solutions later). Each of $x$, $y$ and $z$ belongs to the set ${frac12-delta,frac12+delta}$.



Adding those three solutions, you find $s=x+y+z=frac32+k$, where $kin{-3delta,-delta,delta,3delta}$, so $(s-frac32)^2=-s-frac34$ or $(s-frac32)^2=-9s-frac{27}{4}$.



First equation has no real solution, second has unique solution $s=-3$. Now $x$, $y$ and $z$ are solutions of $X^2-X-2=0$, so they are either $-1$ or $2$, but as $s=-1$, only remains the solution $x=y=z=-1$.



Certainly not the easiest way to find the solutions (remains to study the complex solutions), but funny, no ?






share|cite|improve this answer





















  • I didn't think any more math was needed than to see that if all $x=y=z=-1$, then any one of them squared would yield $1$ and the other two would sum to $-2$. You did have an interesting way of showing it to be the case though.
    – poetasis
    Nov 17 at 13:19













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In this kind of "symetric" systems, introducing the symetric functions of $x,y,z$ is often a good idea. Let $sigma=x+y+z$. Then you can rewrite your system :
$$left{begin{matrix}x^2-x+s+1=0 \ y^2-y+s+1=0 \ z^2-z+s+1=0 \ s=x+y+z end{matrix}right.$$
Each of the first three equations is of the form $X^2-X+a=0$, so $X=frac12pmdelta$, where $delta$ is a square root of $-s-frac34$ (we'll discuss the "reality" of those solutions later). Each of $x$, $y$ and $z$ belongs to the set ${frac12-delta,frac12+delta}$.



Adding those three solutions, you find $s=x+y+z=frac32+k$, where $kin{-3delta,-delta,delta,3delta}$, so $(s-frac32)^2=-s-frac34$ or $(s-frac32)^2=-9s-frac{27}{4}$.



First equation has no real solution, second has unique solution $s=-3$. Now $x$, $y$ and $z$ are solutions of $X^2-X-2=0$, so they are either $-1$ or $2$, but as $s=-1$, only remains the solution $x=y=z=-1$.



Certainly not the easiest way to find the solutions (remains to study the complex solutions), but funny, no ?






share|cite|improve this answer












In this kind of "symetric" systems, introducing the symetric functions of $x,y,z$ is often a good idea. Let $sigma=x+y+z$. Then you can rewrite your system :
$$left{begin{matrix}x^2-x+s+1=0 \ y^2-y+s+1=0 \ z^2-z+s+1=0 \ s=x+y+z end{matrix}right.$$
Each of the first three equations is of the form $X^2-X+a=0$, so $X=frac12pmdelta$, where $delta$ is a square root of $-s-frac34$ (we'll discuss the "reality" of those solutions later). Each of $x$, $y$ and $z$ belongs to the set ${frac12-delta,frac12+delta}$.



Adding those three solutions, you find $s=x+y+z=frac32+k$, where $kin{-3delta,-delta,delta,3delta}$, so $(s-frac32)^2=-s-frac34$ or $(s-frac32)^2=-9s-frac{27}{4}$.



First equation has no real solution, second has unique solution $s=-3$. Now $x$, $y$ and $z$ are solutions of $X^2-X-2=0$, so they are either $-1$ or $2$, but as $s=-1$, only remains the solution $x=y=z=-1$.



Certainly not the easiest way to find the solutions (remains to study the complex solutions), but funny, no ?







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  • I didn't think any more math was needed than to see that if all $x=y=z=-1$, then any one of them squared would yield $1$ and the other two would sum to $-2$. You did have an interesting way of showing it to be the case though.
    – poetasis
    Nov 17 at 13:19


















  • I didn't think any more math was needed than to see that if all $x=y=z=-1$, then any one of them squared would yield $1$ and the other two would sum to $-2$. You did have an interesting way of showing it to be the case though.
    – poetasis
    Nov 17 at 13:19
















I didn't think any more math was needed than to see that if all $x=y=z=-1$, then any one of them squared would yield $1$ and the other two would sum to $-2$. You did have an interesting way of showing it to be the case though.
– poetasis
Nov 17 at 13:19




I didn't think any more math was needed than to see that if all $x=y=z=-1$, then any one of them squared would yield $1$ and the other two would sum to $-2$. You did have an interesting way of showing it to be the case though.
– poetasis
Nov 17 at 13:19


















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