Equivalence of definition of symplectic form
Suppose that $V$ is a vector space of dimension $2n$, and let $omega in Lambda^2(V)$. Prove that the following two statements are equivalent.
(1) $tilde{omega} : V rightarrow V^*$ defined by $Xmapsto omega(X,cdot)$ is an isomorphism.
(2) $omega^n=omega wedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega in Lambda^{2n}(V)$ is nonzero.
What I have tried is
Suppose that the map $tilde{omega}: Vrightarrow V^*$ defined by $Xrightarrow i_X omega$ is an isomorphism. Then we have the basis $(e^1,f^1,e^2,f^2,dots, e^n,f^n)$ of $V$ such that
begin{align*}
&(1) text{ }omega(e^i,e^j)=omega(f^i,f^j)=0 hspace{3mm}forall i,j\
&(2)text{ } omega(e^i,f^j)=begin{cases} 1 &i=j\ 0 &ineq j end{cases}.
end{align*}
Then observe that
begin{align*}
omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega in Lambda^{2n}(V)
end{align*}
and that
begin{align*}
omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega (e^1,f^1,e^2,f^2,dots, e^n,f^n)=omega(e^1,f^1)wedge omega(e^2,f^2)wedge cdots omega(e^n,f^n)=1neq 0.
end{align*}
Therefore, $omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega $ is nonzero.
Conversely, suppose that $omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega in Lambda^{2n}(V)$ is nonzero. Clearly, note that $tilde{omega}:Vrightarrow V^*$ defined by $tilde{omega}(X)=i_X(omega)$ is a homomorphism since $i_{X+Y}omega(Z)=omega(X+Y,Z)=omega(X,Z)+omega(Y,Z)=i_Xomega(Z)+i_Yomega(Z)$. We need to prove that $tilde{omega}$ is a bijection.
And assume that $i_X(omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega)=0$ for some $Xin Vsetminus {0}$. Then we can build a basis ${X,r^1,r^2,dots, r^{2n-1}}$ of $V$. Since $omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega(X,r^1,r^2,dots,r^{2n-1})=0$ and ${X,r^1,r^2,dots, r^{2n-1}}$ is a basis of $V$, $omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega=0$ and it is a contradiction. Thus, $i_X(omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega)$ is nonzero for any $Xin Vsetminus {0}$. Then note that, for given $Xin Vsetminus {0}$, we have $Yin V$ such that $i_Xomega(Y)=omega(X,Y)neq 0$ (otherwise, for any collection ${Y^1,dots, Y^{2n-1}}subseteq V$, $i_X(omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega)(Y^1,dots, Y^{2n-1})=0wedge omega(Y^{2},Y^{3})wedge dots wedge omega(Y^{2n-2},Y^{2n-1})=0$). Then $ker tilde{omega}=0$, so $tilde{omega}$ is an injection. Then since $V$ and $V^*$ has same dimension, $tilde{omega}$ is a surjection so is a bijection. Therefore, $tilde{omega}$ is an isomorphism.
I mistakenly used the wrong computation of wedge product of alternating tensors.
I am pretty sure that I can adjust a little bit from here to make solid proof. I am still thinking about but seems I am missing something. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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Suppose that $V$ is a vector space of dimension $2n$, and let $omega in Lambda^2(V)$. Prove that the following two statements are equivalent.
(1) $tilde{omega} : V rightarrow V^*$ defined by $Xmapsto omega(X,cdot)$ is an isomorphism.
(2) $omega^n=omega wedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega in Lambda^{2n}(V)$ is nonzero.
What I have tried is
Suppose that the map $tilde{omega}: Vrightarrow V^*$ defined by $Xrightarrow i_X omega$ is an isomorphism. Then we have the basis $(e^1,f^1,e^2,f^2,dots, e^n,f^n)$ of $V$ such that
begin{align*}
&(1) text{ }omega(e^i,e^j)=omega(f^i,f^j)=0 hspace{3mm}forall i,j\
&(2)text{ } omega(e^i,f^j)=begin{cases} 1 &i=j\ 0 &ineq j end{cases}.
end{align*}
Then observe that
begin{align*}
omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega in Lambda^{2n}(V)
end{align*}
and that
begin{align*}
omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega (e^1,f^1,e^2,f^2,dots, e^n,f^n)=omega(e^1,f^1)wedge omega(e^2,f^2)wedge cdots omega(e^n,f^n)=1neq 0.
end{align*}
Therefore, $omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega $ is nonzero.
Conversely, suppose that $omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega in Lambda^{2n}(V)$ is nonzero. Clearly, note that $tilde{omega}:Vrightarrow V^*$ defined by $tilde{omega}(X)=i_X(omega)$ is a homomorphism since $i_{X+Y}omega(Z)=omega(X+Y,Z)=omega(X,Z)+omega(Y,Z)=i_Xomega(Z)+i_Yomega(Z)$. We need to prove that $tilde{omega}$ is a bijection.
And assume that $i_X(omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega)=0$ for some $Xin Vsetminus {0}$. Then we can build a basis ${X,r^1,r^2,dots, r^{2n-1}}$ of $V$. Since $omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega(X,r^1,r^2,dots,r^{2n-1})=0$ and ${X,r^1,r^2,dots, r^{2n-1}}$ is a basis of $V$, $omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega=0$ and it is a contradiction. Thus, $i_X(omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega)$ is nonzero for any $Xin Vsetminus {0}$. Then note that, for given $Xin Vsetminus {0}$, we have $Yin V$ such that $i_Xomega(Y)=omega(X,Y)neq 0$ (otherwise, for any collection ${Y^1,dots, Y^{2n-1}}subseteq V$, $i_X(omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega)(Y^1,dots, Y^{2n-1})=0wedge omega(Y^{2},Y^{3})wedge dots wedge omega(Y^{2n-2},Y^{2n-1})=0$). Then $ker tilde{omega}=0$, so $tilde{omega}$ is an injection. Then since $V$ and $V^*$ has same dimension, $tilde{omega}$ is a surjection so is a bijection. Therefore, $tilde{omega}$ is an isomorphism.
I mistakenly used the wrong computation of wedge product of alternating tensors.
I am pretty sure that I can adjust a little bit from here to make solid proof. I am still thinking about but seems I am missing something. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
proof-verification exterior-algebra symplectic-geometry
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You seem to think that for instance $(omega wedge omega)(X_1, X_2, X_3, X_4) = omega(X_1, X_2)omega(X_3,X_4)$, but this is usually wrong as the wedges (the explicit one plus the implicit ones inside $omega$) force you to evaluate on every permutations of the $X_i$'s. There are different conventions in use for the wedge discarding or not the redundant evaluations coming from the (anti)symmetry of $omega$... In any case you should have obtained $factor * n! neq 0$, and later a sum also with terms involving $Y^1$ in place of other $Y^j$'s should appear when you aim to prove injectivity.
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Nov 29 at 15:59
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Suppose that $V$ is a vector space of dimension $2n$, and let $omega in Lambda^2(V)$. Prove that the following two statements are equivalent.
(1) $tilde{omega} : V rightarrow V^*$ defined by $Xmapsto omega(X,cdot)$ is an isomorphism.
(2) $omega^n=omega wedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega in Lambda^{2n}(V)$ is nonzero.
What I have tried is
Suppose that the map $tilde{omega}: Vrightarrow V^*$ defined by $Xrightarrow i_X omega$ is an isomorphism. Then we have the basis $(e^1,f^1,e^2,f^2,dots, e^n,f^n)$ of $V$ such that
begin{align*}
&(1) text{ }omega(e^i,e^j)=omega(f^i,f^j)=0 hspace{3mm}forall i,j\
&(2)text{ } omega(e^i,f^j)=begin{cases} 1 &i=j\ 0 &ineq j end{cases}.
end{align*}
Then observe that
begin{align*}
omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega in Lambda^{2n}(V)
end{align*}
and that
begin{align*}
omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega (e^1,f^1,e^2,f^2,dots, e^n,f^n)=omega(e^1,f^1)wedge omega(e^2,f^2)wedge cdots omega(e^n,f^n)=1neq 0.
end{align*}
Therefore, $omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega $ is nonzero.
Conversely, suppose that $omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega in Lambda^{2n}(V)$ is nonzero. Clearly, note that $tilde{omega}:Vrightarrow V^*$ defined by $tilde{omega}(X)=i_X(omega)$ is a homomorphism since $i_{X+Y}omega(Z)=omega(X+Y,Z)=omega(X,Z)+omega(Y,Z)=i_Xomega(Z)+i_Yomega(Z)$. We need to prove that $tilde{omega}$ is a bijection.
And assume that $i_X(omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega)=0$ for some $Xin Vsetminus {0}$. Then we can build a basis ${X,r^1,r^2,dots, r^{2n-1}}$ of $V$. Since $omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega(X,r^1,r^2,dots,r^{2n-1})=0$ and ${X,r^1,r^2,dots, r^{2n-1}}$ is a basis of $V$, $omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega=0$ and it is a contradiction. Thus, $i_X(omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega)$ is nonzero for any $Xin Vsetminus {0}$. Then note that, for given $Xin Vsetminus {0}$, we have $Yin V$ such that $i_Xomega(Y)=omega(X,Y)neq 0$ (otherwise, for any collection ${Y^1,dots, Y^{2n-1}}subseteq V$, $i_X(omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega)(Y^1,dots, Y^{2n-1})=0wedge omega(Y^{2},Y^{3})wedge dots wedge omega(Y^{2n-2},Y^{2n-1})=0$). Then $ker tilde{omega}=0$, so $tilde{omega}$ is an injection. Then since $V$ and $V^*$ has same dimension, $tilde{omega}$ is a surjection so is a bijection. Therefore, $tilde{omega}$ is an isomorphism.
I mistakenly used the wrong computation of wedge product of alternating tensors.
I am pretty sure that I can adjust a little bit from here to make solid proof. I am still thinking about but seems I am missing something. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
proof-verification exterior-algebra symplectic-geometry
Suppose that $V$ is a vector space of dimension $2n$, and let $omega in Lambda^2(V)$. Prove that the following two statements are equivalent.
(1) $tilde{omega} : V rightarrow V^*$ defined by $Xmapsto omega(X,cdot)$ is an isomorphism.
(2) $omega^n=omega wedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega in Lambda^{2n}(V)$ is nonzero.
What I have tried is
Suppose that the map $tilde{omega}: Vrightarrow V^*$ defined by $Xrightarrow i_X omega$ is an isomorphism. Then we have the basis $(e^1,f^1,e^2,f^2,dots, e^n,f^n)$ of $V$ such that
begin{align*}
&(1) text{ }omega(e^i,e^j)=omega(f^i,f^j)=0 hspace{3mm}forall i,j\
&(2)text{ } omega(e^i,f^j)=begin{cases} 1 &i=j\ 0 &ineq j end{cases}.
end{align*}
Then observe that
begin{align*}
omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega in Lambda^{2n}(V)
end{align*}
and that
begin{align*}
omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega (e^1,f^1,e^2,f^2,dots, e^n,f^n)=omega(e^1,f^1)wedge omega(e^2,f^2)wedge cdots omega(e^n,f^n)=1neq 0.
end{align*}
Therefore, $omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega $ is nonzero.
Conversely, suppose that $omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega in Lambda^{2n}(V)$ is nonzero. Clearly, note that $tilde{omega}:Vrightarrow V^*$ defined by $tilde{omega}(X)=i_X(omega)$ is a homomorphism since $i_{X+Y}omega(Z)=omega(X+Y,Z)=omega(X,Z)+omega(Y,Z)=i_Xomega(Z)+i_Yomega(Z)$. We need to prove that $tilde{omega}$ is a bijection.
And assume that $i_X(omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega)=0$ for some $Xin Vsetminus {0}$. Then we can build a basis ${X,r^1,r^2,dots, r^{2n-1}}$ of $V$. Since $omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega(X,r^1,r^2,dots,r^{2n-1})=0$ and ${X,r^1,r^2,dots, r^{2n-1}}$ is a basis of $V$, $omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega=0$ and it is a contradiction. Thus, $i_X(omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega)$ is nonzero for any $Xin Vsetminus {0}$. Then note that, for given $Xin Vsetminus {0}$, we have $Yin V$ such that $i_Xomega(Y)=omega(X,Y)neq 0$ (otherwise, for any collection ${Y^1,dots, Y^{2n-1}}subseteq V$, $i_X(omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega)(Y^1,dots, Y^{2n-1})=0wedge omega(Y^{2},Y^{3})wedge dots wedge omega(Y^{2n-2},Y^{2n-1})=0$). Then $ker tilde{omega}=0$, so $tilde{omega}$ is an injection. Then since $V$ and $V^*$ has same dimension, $tilde{omega}$ is a surjection so is a bijection. Therefore, $tilde{omega}$ is an isomorphism.
I mistakenly used the wrong computation of wedge product of alternating tensors.
I am pretty sure that I can adjust a little bit from here to make solid proof. I am still thinking about but seems I am missing something. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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proof-verification exterior-algebra symplectic-geometry
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You seem to think that for instance $(omega wedge omega)(X_1, X_2, X_3, X_4) = omega(X_1, X_2)omega(X_3,X_4)$, but this is usually wrong as the wedges (the explicit one plus the implicit ones inside $omega$) force you to evaluate on every permutations of the $X_i$'s. There are different conventions in use for the wedge discarding or not the redundant evaluations coming from the (anti)symmetry of $omega$... In any case you should have obtained $factor * n! neq 0$, and later a sum also with terms involving $Y^1$ in place of other $Y^j$'s should appear when you aim to prove injectivity.
– Jordan Payette
Nov 29 at 15:59
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You seem to think that for instance $(omega wedge omega)(X_1, X_2, X_3, X_4) = omega(X_1, X_2)omega(X_3,X_4)$, but this is usually wrong as the wedges (the explicit one plus the implicit ones inside $omega$) force you to evaluate on every permutations of the $X_i$'s. There are different conventions in use for the wedge discarding or not the redundant evaluations coming from the (anti)symmetry of $omega$... In any case you should have obtained $factor * n! neq 0$, and later a sum also with terms involving $Y^1$ in place of other $Y^j$'s should appear when you aim to prove injectivity.
– Jordan Payette
Nov 29 at 15:59
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You seem to think that for instance $(omega wedge omega)(X_1, X_2, X_3, X_4) = omega(X_1, X_2)omega(X_3,X_4)$, but this is usually wrong as the wedges (the explicit one plus the implicit ones inside $omega$) force you to evaluate on every permutations of the $X_i$'s. There are different conventions in use for the wedge discarding or not the redundant evaluations coming from the (anti)symmetry of $omega$... In any case you should have obtained $factor * n! neq 0$, and later a sum also with terms involving $Y^1$ in place of other $Y^j$'s should appear when you aim to prove injectivity.
– Jordan Payette
Nov 29 at 15:59
You seem to think that for instance $(omega wedge omega)(X_1, X_2, X_3, X_4) = omega(X_1, X_2)omega(X_3,X_4)$, but this is usually wrong as the wedges (the explicit one plus the implicit ones inside $omega$) force you to evaluate on every permutations of the $X_i$'s. There are different conventions in use for the wedge discarding or not the redundant evaluations coming from the (anti)symmetry of $omega$... In any case you should have obtained $factor * n! neq 0$, and later a sum also with terms involving $Y^1$ in place of other $Y^j$'s should appear when you aim to prove injectivity.
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I think I figure it out. I posted this solution for future.
Suppose that the map $tilde{omega}: Vrightarrow V^*$ defined by $Xrightarrow i_X omega$ is an isomorphism. Then we have the basis $(e^1,f^1,e^2,f^2,dots, e^n,f^n)$ of $V$ such that
begin{align*}
&(1) text{ }omega(e^i,e^j)=omega(f^i,f^j)=0 hspace{3mm}forall i,j\
&(2)text{ } omega(e^i,f^j)=begin{cases} 1 &i=j\ 0 &ineq j end{cases}.
end{align*}
Let ${epsilon^i,delta^i}$ be a dual basis such that
begin{align*}
&(1) epsilon^i(e^j)=begin{cases}1 &i=j \0 &ineq j end{cases} &(2) delta^i(f^j)=begin{cases}1 &i=j \0 &ineq j end{cases}\
&(3) epsilon^i(f^j)=0 hspace{4mm}forall i,j &(4) delta^i(e^j)=0 hspace{4mm}forall i,j.
end{align*}
Then observe that
begin{align*}
omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega in Lambda^{2n}(V)
end{align*}
and that, since $dim(Lambda^{2n}(V))=bigg(begin{matrix}
2n\2n
end{matrix} bigg)=1$, for some integer $alphain mathbb{R}$,
begin{align*}
omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega (e^1,f^1,e^2,f^2,dots, e^n,f^n)&=alpha(epsilon^1wedge delta^1wedge epsilon^2wedge delta^2wedgecdots epsilon^nwedge delta^n)(e^1,f^1,e^2,f^2,dots, e^n,f^n)\ &=alphasum_{sigma}sgn(sigma)epsilon^1(v_{sigma(1)})delta^1(v_{sigma(2)})cdots epsilon^n(v_{sigma(2n-1)})delta^n(v_{sigma(2n)})\
&=alpha(epsilon^1(e^1)delta^1(f^1)cdots epsilon^n(e^n)delta^n(f^n))\
&=alphaneq 0,
end{align*}
where
begin{align*}
v_i=begin{cases} e^m &text{ if }i=2m-1\ f^m &text{ if } i=2m end{cases} hspace{2cm} forall i in mathbb{Z}cap [1,2n].
end{align*}
Therefore, $omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega $ is nonzero.
Conversely, suppose that $omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega in Lambda^{2n}(V)$ is nonzero. Clearly, note that $tilde{omega}:Vrightarrow V^*$ defined by $tilde{omega}(X)=i_X(omega)$ is a homomorphism since $i_{X+Y}omega(Z)=omega(X+Y,Z)=omega(X,Z)+omega(Y,Z)=i_Xomega(Z)+i_Yomega(Z)$. We need to prove that $tilde{omega}$ is a bijection.
Assume that $i_X(omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega)=0$ for some $Xin Vsetminus {0}$. and $alphain mathbb{R}$ since $dim(Lambda^{2n}(V))=1$. Then we can build a basis ${X,r^1,r^2,dots, r^{2n-1}}$ of $V$. Then, $forall vin V$, $v$ can be represented as linear combination of the elements in basis. Then, for any ${a^1,dots, a^{2n}}subseteq V$, $omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega(a^1,dots,a^{2n})=0$ since $omega$ is multilinear map. It contradicts to our assumption. Therefore, $i_X (omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega)neq 0$ $forall Xin Vsetminus {0}$.
Let $Xin Vsetminus {0}$ be given. Note that
begin{align*}
i_X(omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega)= (i_Xomega)wedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega+cdots + omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge (i_Xomega)=n{ (i_Xomega)wedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega }neq 0.
end{align*}
It implies that $(i_Xomega)wedge omega wedge cdots wedge omeganeq 0$, thus, we should have $(i_Xomega)neq 0$. Thus, we have $Yin V$ such that $(i_Xomega)(Y)=omega(X,Y)neq 0$. Since $Xin Vsetminus {0}$ was arbitrary, $i_Xomega =0 iff X=0$. Then $ker tilde{omega}=0$, so $tilde{omega}$ is an injection. Then since $V$ and $V^*$ has same dimension, $tilde{omega}$ is a surjection so is a bijection. Therefore, $tilde{omega}$ is an isomorphism.
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I'd say that your original attempt was closer to a proof, since you really only had to take my comment on permutations into account. In this new attempt, to be thorough, you should explain why $omega = sum_i epsilon^i wedge delta^i$. Then you should note that the 2-forms $epsilon^i wedge delta^i$ commute, thus $omega ^n$ can be evaluated via the multinomial theorem: you should get that $omega^n = (n!) prod_{i=1}^n (epsilon^i wedge delta^i)$. Then regardless of the convention for the wedge, evaluation on $prod_{i=1}^n e_i wedge f_i$ is nonzero (btw $n$ already denotes dimension)
– Jordan Payette
Dec 2 at 23:45
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Next the basis ${X, r^1, dots, r^{2n-1}}$ of $V$ induces the basis ${X wedge r^1 wedge dots wedge r^{2n-1}}$ of $Lambda^n V$, so no real need to mention the $a^{j}$s. More importantly, it's not true that for any given nonzero $X$ there is $Y$ as you stated. And even if that were true, the terms $epsilon^i(X) delta^i(Y)$ could change sign so that $omega(X,Y)$ could be zero. The only lack of your original attempt was to take account of the permutations, which would give you a sum of terms each vanishing because of the absurd hypothesis $i_X omega = 0$.
– Jordan Payette
Dec 2 at 23:54
@JordanPayette Thank you for letting me know the errors. I made many mistakes because I am new to alternating tensor products. Anyway, I was trying to fix it based on your comment. I could not follow some of your comments(i.e, $$omega=prod_{i=1}^{n}(epsilon^iwedge delta^i)$$) but it seems better and okay. Thank you again! :)
– LeB
Dec 3 at 20:12
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Oops! I should have written $omega^n = n! wedge_{i=1}^n (epsilon^i wedge delta^i)$, meaning $omega^n = (n!) epsilon^1 wedge delta^1 wedge epsilon^2 wedge dots wedge delta^n$. Hopefully it's more sensible to you this way!
– Jordan Payette
Dec 3 at 21:58
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I think I figure it out. I posted this solution for future.
Suppose that the map $tilde{omega}: Vrightarrow V^*$ defined by $Xrightarrow i_X omega$ is an isomorphism. Then we have the basis $(e^1,f^1,e^2,f^2,dots, e^n,f^n)$ of $V$ such that
begin{align*}
&(1) text{ }omega(e^i,e^j)=omega(f^i,f^j)=0 hspace{3mm}forall i,j\
&(2)text{ } omega(e^i,f^j)=begin{cases} 1 &i=j\ 0 &ineq j end{cases}.
end{align*}
Let ${epsilon^i,delta^i}$ be a dual basis such that
begin{align*}
&(1) epsilon^i(e^j)=begin{cases}1 &i=j \0 &ineq j end{cases} &(2) delta^i(f^j)=begin{cases}1 &i=j \0 &ineq j end{cases}\
&(3) epsilon^i(f^j)=0 hspace{4mm}forall i,j &(4) delta^i(e^j)=0 hspace{4mm}forall i,j.
end{align*}
Then observe that
begin{align*}
omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega in Lambda^{2n}(V)
end{align*}
and that, since $dim(Lambda^{2n}(V))=bigg(begin{matrix}
2n\2n
end{matrix} bigg)=1$, for some integer $alphain mathbb{R}$,
begin{align*}
omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega (e^1,f^1,e^2,f^2,dots, e^n,f^n)&=alpha(epsilon^1wedge delta^1wedge epsilon^2wedge delta^2wedgecdots epsilon^nwedge delta^n)(e^1,f^1,e^2,f^2,dots, e^n,f^n)\ &=alphasum_{sigma}sgn(sigma)epsilon^1(v_{sigma(1)})delta^1(v_{sigma(2)})cdots epsilon^n(v_{sigma(2n-1)})delta^n(v_{sigma(2n)})\
&=alpha(epsilon^1(e^1)delta^1(f^1)cdots epsilon^n(e^n)delta^n(f^n))\
&=alphaneq 0,
end{align*}
where
begin{align*}
v_i=begin{cases} e^m &text{ if }i=2m-1\ f^m &text{ if } i=2m end{cases} hspace{2cm} forall i in mathbb{Z}cap [1,2n].
end{align*}
Therefore, $omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega $ is nonzero.
Conversely, suppose that $omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega in Lambda^{2n}(V)$ is nonzero. Clearly, note that $tilde{omega}:Vrightarrow V^*$ defined by $tilde{omega}(X)=i_X(omega)$ is a homomorphism since $i_{X+Y}omega(Z)=omega(X+Y,Z)=omega(X,Z)+omega(Y,Z)=i_Xomega(Z)+i_Yomega(Z)$. We need to prove that $tilde{omega}$ is a bijection.
Assume that $i_X(omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega)=0$ for some $Xin Vsetminus {0}$. and $alphain mathbb{R}$ since $dim(Lambda^{2n}(V))=1$. Then we can build a basis ${X,r^1,r^2,dots, r^{2n-1}}$ of $V$. Then, $forall vin V$, $v$ can be represented as linear combination of the elements in basis. Then, for any ${a^1,dots, a^{2n}}subseteq V$, $omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega(a^1,dots,a^{2n})=0$ since $omega$ is multilinear map. It contradicts to our assumption. Therefore, $i_X (omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega)neq 0$ $forall Xin Vsetminus {0}$.
Let $Xin Vsetminus {0}$ be given. Note that
begin{align*}
i_X(omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega)= (i_Xomega)wedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega+cdots + omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge (i_Xomega)=n{ (i_Xomega)wedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega }neq 0.
end{align*}
It implies that $(i_Xomega)wedge omega wedge cdots wedge omeganeq 0$, thus, we should have $(i_Xomega)neq 0$. Thus, we have $Yin V$ such that $(i_Xomega)(Y)=omega(X,Y)neq 0$. Since $Xin Vsetminus {0}$ was arbitrary, $i_Xomega =0 iff X=0$. Then $ker tilde{omega}=0$, so $tilde{omega}$ is an injection. Then since $V$ and $V^*$ has same dimension, $tilde{omega}$ is a surjection so is a bijection. Therefore, $tilde{omega}$ is an isomorphism.
1
I'd say that your original attempt was closer to a proof, since you really only had to take my comment on permutations into account. In this new attempt, to be thorough, you should explain why $omega = sum_i epsilon^i wedge delta^i$. Then you should note that the 2-forms $epsilon^i wedge delta^i$ commute, thus $omega ^n$ can be evaluated via the multinomial theorem: you should get that $omega^n = (n!) prod_{i=1}^n (epsilon^i wedge delta^i)$. Then regardless of the convention for the wedge, evaluation on $prod_{i=1}^n e_i wedge f_i$ is nonzero (btw $n$ already denotes dimension)
– Jordan Payette
Dec 2 at 23:45
1
Next the basis ${X, r^1, dots, r^{2n-1}}$ of $V$ induces the basis ${X wedge r^1 wedge dots wedge r^{2n-1}}$ of $Lambda^n V$, so no real need to mention the $a^{j}$s. More importantly, it's not true that for any given nonzero $X$ there is $Y$ as you stated. And even if that were true, the terms $epsilon^i(X) delta^i(Y)$ could change sign so that $omega(X,Y)$ could be zero. The only lack of your original attempt was to take account of the permutations, which would give you a sum of terms each vanishing because of the absurd hypothesis $i_X omega = 0$.
– Jordan Payette
Dec 2 at 23:54
@JordanPayette Thank you for letting me know the errors. I made many mistakes because I am new to alternating tensor products. Anyway, I was trying to fix it based on your comment. I could not follow some of your comments(i.e, $$omega=prod_{i=1}^{n}(epsilon^iwedge delta^i)$$) but it seems better and okay. Thank you again! :)
– LeB
Dec 3 at 20:12
1
Oops! I should have written $omega^n = n! wedge_{i=1}^n (epsilon^i wedge delta^i)$, meaning $omega^n = (n!) epsilon^1 wedge delta^1 wedge epsilon^2 wedge dots wedge delta^n$. Hopefully it's more sensible to you this way!
– Jordan Payette
Dec 3 at 21:58
add a comment |
I think I figure it out. I posted this solution for future.
Suppose that the map $tilde{omega}: Vrightarrow V^*$ defined by $Xrightarrow i_X omega$ is an isomorphism. Then we have the basis $(e^1,f^1,e^2,f^2,dots, e^n,f^n)$ of $V$ such that
begin{align*}
&(1) text{ }omega(e^i,e^j)=omega(f^i,f^j)=0 hspace{3mm}forall i,j\
&(2)text{ } omega(e^i,f^j)=begin{cases} 1 &i=j\ 0 &ineq j end{cases}.
end{align*}
Let ${epsilon^i,delta^i}$ be a dual basis such that
begin{align*}
&(1) epsilon^i(e^j)=begin{cases}1 &i=j \0 &ineq j end{cases} &(2) delta^i(f^j)=begin{cases}1 &i=j \0 &ineq j end{cases}\
&(3) epsilon^i(f^j)=0 hspace{4mm}forall i,j &(4) delta^i(e^j)=0 hspace{4mm}forall i,j.
end{align*}
Then observe that
begin{align*}
omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega in Lambda^{2n}(V)
end{align*}
and that, since $dim(Lambda^{2n}(V))=bigg(begin{matrix}
2n\2n
end{matrix} bigg)=1$, for some integer $alphain mathbb{R}$,
begin{align*}
omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega (e^1,f^1,e^2,f^2,dots, e^n,f^n)&=alpha(epsilon^1wedge delta^1wedge epsilon^2wedge delta^2wedgecdots epsilon^nwedge delta^n)(e^1,f^1,e^2,f^2,dots, e^n,f^n)\ &=alphasum_{sigma}sgn(sigma)epsilon^1(v_{sigma(1)})delta^1(v_{sigma(2)})cdots epsilon^n(v_{sigma(2n-1)})delta^n(v_{sigma(2n)})\
&=alpha(epsilon^1(e^1)delta^1(f^1)cdots epsilon^n(e^n)delta^n(f^n))\
&=alphaneq 0,
end{align*}
where
begin{align*}
v_i=begin{cases} e^m &text{ if }i=2m-1\ f^m &text{ if } i=2m end{cases} hspace{2cm} forall i in mathbb{Z}cap [1,2n].
end{align*}
Therefore, $omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega $ is nonzero.
Conversely, suppose that $omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega in Lambda^{2n}(V)$ is nonzero. Clearly, note that $tilde{omega}:Vrightarrow V^*$ defined by $tilde{omega}(X)=i_X(omega)$ is a homomorphism since $i_{X+Y}omega(Z)=omega(X+Y,Z)=omega(X,Z)+omega(Y,Z)=i_Xomega(Z)+i_Yomega(Z)$. We need to prove that $tilde{omega}$ is a bijection.
Assume that $i_X(omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega)=0$ for some $Xin Vsetminus {0}$. and $alphain mathbb{R}$ since $dim(Lambda^{2n}(V))=1$. Then we can build a basis ${X,r^1,r^2,dots, r^{2n-1}}$ of $V$. Then, $forall vin V$, $v$ can be represented as linear combination of the elements in basis. Then, for any ${a^1,dots, a^{2n}}subseteq V$, $omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega(a^1,dots,a^{2n})=0$ since $omega$ is multilinear map. It contradicts to our assumption. Therefore, $i_X (omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega)neq 0$ $forall Xin Vsetminus {0}$.
Let $Xin Vsetminus {0}$ be given. Note that
begin{align*}
i_X(omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega)= (i_Xomega)wedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega+cdots + omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge (i_Xomega)=n{ (i_Xomega)wedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega }neq 0.
end{align*}
It implies that $(i_Xomega)wedge omega wedge cdots wedge omeganeq 0$, thus, we should have $(i_Xomega)neq 0$. Thus, we have $Yin V$ such that $(i_Xomega)(Y)=omega(X,Y)neq 0$. Since $Xin Vsetminus {0}$ was arbitrary, $i_Xomega =0 iff X=0$. Then $ker tilde{omega}=0$, so $tilde{omega}$ is an injection. Then since $V$ and $V^*$ has same dimension, $tilde{omega}$ is a surjection so is a bijection. Therefore, $tilde{omega}$ is an isomorphism.
1
I'd say that your original attempt was closer to a proof, since you really only had to take my comment on permutations into account. In this new attempt, to be thorough, you should explain why $omega = sum_i epsilon^i wedge delta^i$. Then you should note that the 2-forms $epsilon^i wedge delta^i$ commute, thus $omega ^n$ can be evaluated via the multinomial theorem: you should get that $omega^n = (n!) prod_{i=1}^n (epsilon^i wedge delta^i)$. Then regardless of the convention for the wedge, evaluation on $prod_{i=1}^n e_i wedge f_i$ is nonzero (btw $n$ already denotes dimension)
– Jordan Payette
Dec 2 at 23:45
1
Next the basis ${X, r^1, dots, r^{2n-1}}$ of $V$ induces the basis ${X wedge r^1 wedge dots wedge r^{2n-1}}$ of $Lambda^n V$, so no real need to mention the $a^{j}$s. More importantly, it's not true that for any given nonzero $X$ there is $Y$ as you stated. And even if that were true, the terms $epsilon^i(X) delta^i(Y)$ could change sign so that $omega(X,Y)$ could be zero. The only lack of your original attempt was to take account of the permutations, which would give you a sum of terms each vanishing because of the absurd hypothesis $i_X omega = 0$.
– Jordan Payette
Dec 2 at 23:54
@JordanPayette Thank you for letting me know the errors. I made many mistakes because I am new to alternating tensor products. Anyway, I was trying to fix it based on your comment. I could not follow some of your comments(i.e, $$omega=prod_{i=1}^{n}(epsilon^iwedge delta^i)$$) but it seems better and okay. Thank you again! :)
– LeB
Dec 3 at 20:12
1
Oops! I should have written $omega^n = n! wedge_{i=1}^n (epsilon^i wedge delta^i)$, meaning $omega^n = (n!) epsilon^1 wedge delta^1 wedge epsilon^2 wedge dots wedge delta^n$. Hopefully it's more sensible to you this way!
– Jordan Payette
Dec 3 at 21:58
add a comment |
I think I figure it out. I posted this solution for future.
Suppose that the map $tilde{omega}: Vrightarrow V^*$ defined by $Xrightarrow i_X omega$ is an isomorphism. Then we have the basis $(e^1,f^1,e^2,f^2,dots, e^n,f^n)$ of $V$ such that
begin{align*}
&(1) text{ }omega(e^i,e^j)=omega(f^i,f^j)=0 hspace{3mm}forall i,j\
&(2)text{ } omega(e^i,f^j)=begin{cases} 1 &i=j\ 0 &ineq j end{cases}.
end{align*}
Let ${epsilon^i,delta^i}$ be a dual basis such that
begin{align*}
&(1) epsilon^i(e^j)=begin{cases}1 &i=j \0 &ineq j end{cases} &(2) delta^i(f^j)=begin{cases}1 &i=j \0 &ineq j end{cases}\
&(3) epsilon^i(f^j)=0 hspace{4mm}forall i,j &(4) delta^i(e^j)=0 hspace{4mm}forall i,j.
end{align*}
Then observe that
begin{align*}
omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega in Lambda^{2n}(V)
end{align*}
and that, since $dim(Lambda^{2n}(V))=bigg(begin{matrix}
2n\2n
end{matrix} bigg)=1$, for some integer $alphain mathbb{R}$,
begin{align*}
omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega (e^1,f^1,e^2,f^2,dots, e^n,f^n)&=alpha(epsilon^1wedge delta^1wedge epsilon^2wedge delta^2wedgecdots epsilon^nwedge delta^n)(e^1,f^1,e^2,f^2,dots, e^n,f^n)\ &=alphasum_{sigma}sgn(sigma)epsilon^1(v_{sigma(1)})delta^1(v_{sigma(2)})cdots epsilon^n(v_{sigma(2n-1)})delta^n(v_{sigma(2n)})\
&=alpha(epsilon^1(e^1)delta^1(f^1)cdots epsilon^n(e^n)delta^n(f^n))\
&=alphaneq 0,
end{align*}
where
begin{align*}
v_i=begin{cases} e^m &text{ if }i=2m-1\ f^m &text{ if } i=2m end{cases} hspace{2cm} forall i in mathbb{Z}cap [1,2n].
end{align*}
Therefore, $omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega $ is nonzero.
Conversely, suppose that $omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega in Lambda^{2n}(V)$ is nonzero. Clearly, note that $tilde{omega}:Vrightarrow V^*$ defined by $tilde{omega}(X)=i_X(omega)$ is a homomorphism since $i_{X+Y}omega(Z)=omega(X+Y,Z)=omega(X,Z)+omega(Y,Z)=i_Xomega(Z)+i_Yomega(Z)$. We need to prove that $tilde{omega}$ is a bijection.
Assume that $i_X(omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega)=0$ for some $Xin Vsetminus {0}$. and $alphain mathbb{R}$ since $dim(Lambda^{2n}(V))=1$. Then we can build a basis ${X,r^1,r^2,dots, r^{2n-1}}$ of $V$. Then, $forall vin V$, $v$ can be represented as linear combination of the elements in basis. Then, for any ${a^1,dots, a^{2n}}subseteq V$, $omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega(a^1,dots,a^{2n})=0$ since $omega$ is multilinear map. It contradicts to our assumption. Therefore, $i_X (omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega)neq 0$ $forall Xin Vsetminus {0}$.
Let $Xin Vsetminus {0}$ be given. Note that
begin{align*}
i_X(omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega)= (i_Xomega)wedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega+cdots + omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge (i_Xomega)=n{ (i_Xomega)wedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega }neq 0.
end{align*}
It implies that $(i_Xomega)wedge omega wedge cdots wedge omeganeq 0$, thus, we should have $(i_Xomega)neq 0$. Thus, we have $Yin V$ such that $(i_Xomega)(Y)=omega(X,Y)neq 0$. Since $Xin Vsetminus {0}$ was arbitrary, $i_Xomega =0 iff X=0$. Then $ker tilde{omega}=0$, so $tilde{omega}$ is an injection. Then since $V$ and $V^*$ has same dimension, $tilde{omega}$ is a surjection so is a bijection. Therefore, $tilde{omega}$ is an isomorphism.
I think I figure it out. I posted this solution for future.
Suppose that the map $tilde{omega}: Vrightarrow V^*$ defined by $Xrightarrow i_X omega$ is an isomorphism. Then we have the basis $(e^1,f^1,e^2,f^2,dots, e^n,f^n)$ of $V$ such that
begin{align*}
&(1) text{ }omega(e^i,e^j)=omega(f^i,f^j)=0 hspace{3mm}forall i,j\
&(2)text{ } omega(e^i,f^j)=begin{cases} 1 &i=j\ 0 &ineq j end{cases}.
end{align*}
Let ${epsilon^i,delta^i}$ be a dual basis such that
begin{align*}
&(1) epsilon^i(e^j)=begin{cases}1 &i=j \0 &ineq j end{cases} &(2) delta^i(f^j)=begin{cases}1 &i=j \0 &ineq j end{cases}\
&(3) epsilon^i(f^j)=0 hspace{4mm}forall i,j &(4) delta^i(e^j)=0 hspace{4mm}forall i,j.
end{align*}
Then observe that
begin{align*}
omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega in Lambda^{2n}(V)
end{align*}
and that, since $dim(Lambda^{2n}(V))=bigg(begin{matrix}
2n\2n
end{matrix} bigg)=1$, for some integer $alphain mathbb{R}$,
begin{align*}
omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega (e^1,f^1,e^2,f^2,dots, e^n,f^n)&=alpha(epsilon^1wedge delta^1wedge epsilon^2wedge delta^2wedgecdots epsilon^nwedge delta^n)(e^1,f^1,e^2,f^2,dots, e^n,f^n)\ &=alphasum_{sigma}sgn(sigma)epsilon^1(v_{sigma(1)})delta^1(v_{sigma(2)})cdots epsilon^n(v_{sigma(2n-1)})delta^n(v_{sigma(2n)})\
&=alpha(epsilon^1(e^1)delta^1(f^1)cdots epsilon^n(e^n)delta^n(f^n))\
&=alphaneq 0,
end{align*}
where
begin{align*}
v_i=begin{cases} e^m &text{ if }i=2m-1\ f^m &text{ if } i=2m end{cases} hspace{2cm} forall i in mathbb{Z}cap [1,2n].
end{align*}
Therefore, $omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega $ is nonzero.
Conversely, suppose that $omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega in Lambda^{2n}(V)$ is nonzero. Clearly, note that $tilde{omega}:Vrightarrow V^*$ defined by $tilde{omega}(X)=i_X(omega)$ is a homomorphism since $i_{X+Y}omega(Z)=omega(X+Y,Z)=omega(X,Z)+omega(Y,Z)=i_Xomega(Z)+i_Yomega(Z)$. We need to prove that $tilde{omega}$ is a bijection.
Assume that $i_X(omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega)=0$ for some $Xin Vsetminus {0}$. and $alphain mathbb{R}$ since $dim(Lambda^{2n}(V))=1$. Then we can build a basis ${X,r^1,r^2,dots, r^{2n-1}}$ of $V$. Then, $forall vin V$, $v$ can be represented as linear combination of the elements in basis. Then, for any ${a^1,dots, a^{2n}}subseteq V$, $omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega(a^1,dots,a^{2n})=0$ since $omega$ is multilinear map. It contradicts to our assumption. Therefore, $i_X (omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega)neq 0$ $forall Xin Vsetminus {0}$.
Let $Xin Vsetminus {0}$ be given. Note that
begin{align*}
i_X(omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega)= (i_Xomega)wedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega+cdots + omegawedge omega wedge cdots wedge (i_Xomega)=n{ (i_Xomega)wedge omega wedge cdots wedge omega }neq 0.
end{align*}
It implies that $(i_Xomega)wedge omega wedge cdots wedge omeganeq 0$, thus, we should have $(i_Xomega)neq 0$. Thus, we have $Yin V$ such that $(i_Xomega)(Y)=omega(X,Y)neq 0$. Since $Xin Vsetminus {0}$ was arbitrary, $i_Xomega =0 iff X=0$. Then $ker tilde{omega}=0$, so $tilde{omega}$ is an injection. Then since $V$ and $V^*$ has same dimension, $tilde{omega}$ is a surjection so is a bijection. Therefore, $tilde{omega}$ is an isomorphism.
edited Dec 3 at 20:09
answered Nov 30 at 21:52
LeB
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I'd say that your original attempt was closer to a proof, since you really only had to take my comment on permutations into account. In this new attempt, to be thorough, you should explain why $omega = sum_i epsilon^i wedge delta^i$. Then you should note that the 2-forms $epsilon^i wedge delta^i$ commute, thus $omega ^n$ can be evaluated via the multinomial theorem: you should get that $omega^n = (n!) prod_{i=1}^n (epsilon^i wedge delta^i)$. Then regardless of the convention for the wedge, evaluation on $prod_{i=1}^n e_i wedge f_i$ is nonzero (btw $n$ already denotes dimension)
– Jordan Payette
Dec 2 at 23:45
1
Next the basis ${X, r^1, dots, r^{2n-1}}$ of $V$ induces the basis ${X wedge r^1 wedge dots wedge r^{2n-1}}$ of $Lambda^n V$, so no real need to mention the $a^{j}$s. More importantly, it's not true that for any given nonzero $X$ there is $Y$ as you stated. And even if that were true, the terms $epsilon^i(X) delta^i(Y)$ could change sign so that $omega(X,Y)$ could be zero. The only lack of your original attempt was to take account of the permutations, which would give you a sum of terms each vanishing because of the absurd hypothesis $i_X omega = 0$.
– Jordan Payette
Dec 2 at 23:54
@JordanPayette Thank you for letting me know the errors. I made many mistakes because I am new to alternating tensor products. Anyway, I was trying to fix it based on your comment. I could not follow some of your comments(i.e, $$omega=prod_{i=1}^{n}(epsilon^iwedge delta^i)$$) but it seems better and okay. Thank you again! :)
– LeB
Dec 3 at 20:12
1
Oops! I should have written $omega^n = n! wedge_{i=1}^n (epsilon^i wedge delta^i)$, meaning $omega^n = (n!) epsilon^1 wedge delta^1 wedge epsilon^2 wedge dots wedge delta^n$. Hopefully it's more sensible to you this way!
– Jordan Payette
Dec 3 at 21:58
add a comment |
1
I'd say that your original attempt was closer to a proof, since you really only had to take my comment on permutations into account. In this new attempt, to be thorough, you should explain why $omega = sum_i epsilon^i wedge delta^i$. Then you should note that the 2-forms $epsilon^i wedge delta^i$ commute, thus $omega ^n$ can be evaluated via the multinomial theorem: you should get that $omega^n = (n!) prod_{i=1}^n (epsilon^i wedge delta^i)$. Then regardless of the convention for the wedge, evaluation on $prod_{i=1}^n e_i wedge f_i$ is nonzero (btw $n$ already denotes dimension)
– Jordan Payette
Dec 2 at 23:45
1
Next the basis ${X, r^1, dots, r^{2n-1}}$ of $V$ induces the basis ${X wedge r^1 wedge dots wedge r^{2n-1}}$ of $Lambda^n V$, so no real need to mention the $a^{j}$s. More importantly, it's not true that for any given nonzero $X$ there is $Y$ as you stated. And even if that were true, the terms $epsilon^i(X) delta^i(Y)$ could change sign so that $omega(X,Y)$ could be zero. The only lack of your original attempt was to take account of the permutations, which would give you a sum of terms each vanishing because of the absurd hypothesis $i_X omega = 0$.
– Jordan Payette
Dec 2 at 23:54
@JordanPayette Thank you for letting me know the errors. I made many mistakes because I am new to alternating tensor products. Anyway, I was trying to fix it based on your comment. I could not follow some of your comments(i.e, $$omega=prod_{i=1}^{n}(epsilon^iwedge delta^i)$$) but it seems better and okay. Thank you again! :)
– LeB
Dec 3 at 20:12
1
Oops! I should have written $omega^n = n! wedge_{i=1}^n (epsilon^i wedge delta^i)$, meaning $omega^n = (n!) epsilon^1 wedge delta^1 wedge epsilon^2 wedge dots wedge delta^n$. Hopefully it's more sensible to you this way!
– Jordan Payette
Dec 3 at 21:58
1
1
I'd say that your original attempt was closer to a proof, since you really only had to take my comment on permutations into account. In this new attempt, to be thorough, you should explain why $omega = sum_i epsilon^i wedge delta^i$. Then you should note that the 2-forms $epsilon^i wedge delta^i$ commute, thus $omega ^n$ can be evaluated via the multinomial theorem: you should get that $omega^n = (n!) prod_{i=1}^n (epsilon^i wedge delta^i)$. Then regardless of the convention for the wedge, evaluation on $prod_{i=1}^n e_i wedge f_i$ is nonzero (btw $n$ already denotes dimension)
– Jordan Payette
Dec 2 at 23:45
I'd say that your original attempt was closer to a proof, since you really only had to take my comment on permutations into account. In this new attempt, to be thorough, you should explain why $omega = sum_i epsilon^i wedge delta^i$. Then you should note that the 2-forms $epsilon^i wedge delta^i$ commute, thus $omega ^n$ can be evaluated via the multinomial theorem: you should get that $omega^n = (n!) prod_{i=1}^n (epsilon^i wedge delta^i)$. Then regardless of the convention for the wedge, evaluation on $prod_{i=1}^n e_i wedge f_i$ is nonzero (btw $n$ already denotes dimension)
– Jordan Payette
Dec 2 at 23:45
1
1
Next the basis ${X, r^1, dots, r^{2n-1}}$ of $V$ induces the basis ${X wedge r^1 wedge dots wedge r^{2n-1}}$ of $Lambda^n V$, so no real need to mention the $a^{j}$s. More importantly, it's not true that for any given nonzero $X$ there is $Y$ as you stated. And even if that were true, the terms $epsilon^i(X) delta^i(Y)$ could change sign so that $omega(X,Y)$ could be zero. The only lack of your original attempt was to take account of the permutations, which would give you a sum of terms each vanishing because of the absurd hypothesis $i_X omega = 0$.
– Jordan Payette
Dec 2 at 23:54
Next the basis ${X, r^1, dots, r^{2n-1}}$ of $V$ induces the basis ${X wedge r^1 wedge dots wedge r^{2n-1}}$ of $Lambda^n V$, so no real need to mention the $a^{j}$s. More importantly, it's not true that for any given nonzero $X$ there is $Y$ as you stated. And even if that were true, the terms $epsilon^i(X) delta^i(Y)$ could change sign so that $omega(X,Y)$ could be zero. The only lack of your original attempt was to take account of the permutations, which would give you a sum of terms each vanishing because of the absurd hypothesis $i_X omega = 0$.
– Jordan Payette
Dec 2 at 23:54
@JordanPayette Thank you for letting me know the errors. I made many mistakes because I am new to alternating tensor products. Anyway, I was trying to fix it based on your comment. I could not follow some of your comments(i.e, $$omega=prod_{i=1}^{n}(epsilon^iwedge delta^i)$$) but it seems better and okay. Thank you again! :)
– LeB
Dec 3 at 20:12
@JordanPayette Thank you for letting me know the errors. I made many mistakes because I am new to alternating tensor products. Anyway, I was trying to fix it based on your comment. I could not follow some of your comments(i.e, $$omega=prod_{i=1}^{n}(epsilon^iwedge delta^i)$$) but it seems better and okay. Thank you again! :)
– LeB
Dec 3 at 20:12
1
1
Oops! I should have written $omega^n = n! wedge_{i=1}^n (epsilon^i wedge delta^i)$, meaning $omega^n = (n!) epsilon^1 wedge delta^1 wedge epsilon^2 wedge dots wedge delta^n$. Hopefully it's more sensible to you this way!
– Jordan Payette
Dec 3 at 21:58
Oops! I should have written $omega^n = n! wedge_{i=1}^n (epsilon^i wedge delta^i)$, meaning $omega^n = (n!) epsilon^1 wedge delta^1 wedge epsilon^2 wedge dots wedge delta^n$. Hopefully it's more sensible to you this way!
– Jordan Payette
Dec 3 at 21:58
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You seem to think that for instance $(omega wedge omega)(X_1, X_2, X_3, X_4) = omega(X_1, X_2)omega(X_3,X_4)$, but this is usually wrong as the wedges (the explicit one plus the implicit ones inside $omega$) force you to evaluate on every permutations of the $X_i$'s. There are different conventions in use for the wedge discarding or not the redundant evaluations coming from the (anti)symmetry of $omega$... In any case you should have obtained $factor * n! neq 0$, and later a sum also with terms involving $Y^1$ in place of other $Y^j$'s should appear when you aim to prove injectivity.
– Jordan Payette
Nov 29 at 15:59